36% of verterans families support the war.

[Dilloduck]

Thank you, gabby.




Having spent many years in uniform, on various installations and involved in many operations I am well aware that what you say is TRUTH. Some here, however, may make their feeble attempt to deny it as such.

Actually I would think that 100% of the military families would oppose the war.

[Psychoblues]

And, as usual, dd, you would be completely wrong.

Actually I would think that 100% of the military families would oppose the war.

On what do you base your opinion?

[Dilloduck]

And, as usual, dd, you would be completely wrong.




On what do you base your opinion?

oh ----just on the fact that they are the ones who are having family members killed, maimed and traumatized.

[Psychoblues]

Your scare tactics don't work on me, dd.

oh ----just on the fact that they are the ones who are having family members killed, maimed and traumatized.

Just how did that 64% decide to be unfavorable to the WAR ON IRAQ? I suspect it merely a reflection of a more well informed yet more indirectly involved population at large. It's about 82.789% out here now.

[Dilloduck]

Your scare tactics don't work on me, dd.



Just how did that 64% decide to be unfavorable to the WAR ON IRAQ? I suspect it merely a reflection of a more well informed yet more indirectly involved population at large. It's about 82.789% out here now.

you asked me a question--I answered--Why would I bother trying to scare you?

[Psychoblues]

You're typical.

you asked me a question--I answered--Why would I bother trying to scare you?

Does "killed, maimed and traumatized." not remind you? Your words, dd. Not mine. Care to explain what you meant?

[Dilloduck]

You're typical.




Does "killed, maimed and traumatized." not remind you? Your words, dd. Not mine. Care to explain what you meant?

Follow closely Pscho------I am suprised that ANY military family supports ANY war since it is them that suffer more than anyone.

[Psychoblues]

Follow this closely, dd.

Follow closely Pscho------I am suprised that ANY military family supports ANY war since it is them that suffer more than anyone.

My brother was killed by his service Viet Nam. I served on 3 occasions there. My family never stopped supporting me or my objectives or the then present objectives of the United States of America. I served in other wars as well and I don't believe I ever lost the support of my family. In fact, I am certain that I never lost the support of my family for my participation there or the participation of this GREAT NATION. But, that's a different story now, isn't it?

[Psychoblues]

I think I also need to remind you that my brother died many years after the Viet Nam War, he died from Agent Orange exposure that he could have only gotten in Viet Nam and that his service was Honorable, steadfast and complete. Although he was denied repeatedly by the VA for his respiratory anomolies, the VA finally admitted about 2 years before his death that his illness was absolutely service connected. His name is not on the Black Wall.

[Psychoblues]

As I am thinking and getting more disillussioned with my beforehand considered colleagues of American Patriotism and genuine freedom fighters, I must point out that the recent death of my younger brother was also directly attributable to his Viet Nam experience and he never got a cent from the VA and his memorial, as I reported it here, was never acknowledged as remarkable by anyone here.

Jody, his nickname for Joseph, was a Navy SeaBee. He was taught to live on nothing and survive on even less. His months in Viet Nam prepared him for his homeless life in the USofA. I might also point out that he came home from the Navy a compulsive stoner, independent to his death and never in the least concerned with anything political.

[Dustin]

Such knowledge yet to be had little one. The original Gulf war was a whole different creature with a different objection. You just don't walk away after a regime change. I know you think that is the best now but had it been the case you would probably fall in the same category as the rest to say the we abandoned a country after we left it lawless, and without leadership.

True the Gulf war was to stop the invasion of Kuwaitt so we were seen as the good guys. This time we seem like the bad guys.

[Pale Rider]

I think I also need to remind you that my brother died many years after the Viet Nam War, he died from Agent Orange exposure that he could have only gotten in Viet Nam and that his service was Honorable, steadfast and complete. Although he was denied repeatedly by the VA for his respiratory anomolies, the VA finally admitted about 2 years before his death that his illness was absolutely service connected. His name is not on the Black Wall.

My brother was in the Army and served two tours in Viet Nam also Pb. He came home fucked in the head. Drank too much, did drugs, fought in bars and at home, and nine years after he came home he committed suicide. His name isn't on the black wall either.

My father was in the Navy in WWII. My brother in law was in the Marines. I was in the Air Force and am a service connected disabled veteran. We all had the support of our families, ALWAYS! We have military in our blood. I think one can support the military and the troops but not support a war. Because when you talk of support for a war, you're talking about the reasons behind the war, and that's a whole different ball game than supporting the military. The military doesn't start or create the reasons for war. Politicians do. The military are just the poor slobs that have to go and do the fighting and dying FOR the politicians. So yes, coming from a family steeped in military, I love my fellow comrades in arms, but I surely can hate someone who orders us into harms way for a no good reason.

[LuvRPgrl]

Such knowledge yet to be had little one. The original Gulf war was a whole different creature with a different objection. You just don't walk away after a regime change. I know you think that is the best now but had it been the case you would probably fall in the same category as the rest to say the we abandoned a country after we left it lawless, and without leadership.

PRecisely. No matter what, the libecrats and the media will attack President Bush's policy regarding Iraq.

And as for the media coverage of the Vietnam war, it only escalated to a high level after LBJ left office.

Unfortunately, TV brings the war home into our living rooms. Virtually no matter what, mothers especially, the families will see the violence and become protective of their sons. It serioiusly depletes our ability to conduct a needed long term war/peace keeping force.

"Throughout the first years of its existence, SDS focused on domestic concerns. The students, as with other groups of the Old and New Left, actively supported Lyndon Johnson in his 1964 campaign against Barry Goldwater. Following Johnson's victory, they refrained from antiwar rhetoric to avoid alienating the president and possibly endangering the social programs of the Great Society. Although not yet an antiwar organization, SDS actively participated in the Civil Rights struggle and proved an important link between the two defining causes of the decade."--------------This is from "modern American poetry" hardly a right wing organization.
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/antiwar.html

[LuvRPgrl]

My brother was in the Army and served two tours in Viet Nam also Pb. He came home fucked in the head. Drank too much, did drugs, fought in bars and at home, and nine years after he came home he committed suicide. His name isn't on the black wall either.

My father was in the Navy in WWII. My brother in law was in the Marines. I was in the Air Force and am a service connected disabled veteran. We all had the support of our families, ALWAYS! We have military in our blood. I think one can support the military and the troops but not support a war. Because when you talk of support for a war, you're talking about the reasons behind the war, and that's a whole different ball game than supporting the military. The military doesn't start or create the reasons for war. Politicians do. The military are just the poor slobs that have to go and do the fighting and dying FOR the politicians. So yes, coming from a family steeped in military, I love my fellow comrades in arms, but I surely can hate someone who orders us into harms way for a no good reason.

Sorry, but when the military also supports the war, then you cant support the military and oppose the war.

The incidents cited about soldiers returning with problems do not prove anything. Fact is, the veterans of Vietnam are/were much better off than the veterans of WWll. And thats a fact.

As for Dilloducks posistion, Im surprised he would think 100% of ANY group would agree on something, much less the families of military. However, it is HIS OPINION that he thought that. Probably, he is just talking about what would make sense to him, if we didnt know any of the facts of who is surpporting the war, and who the opposistion is.