Woman Gives Birth in McDonald's Restroom, Tries to Flush Baby Down Toilet

[Abbey Marie]

Well of course the callous and waxed cold you, would think this way!!!

I'll bet that baby boy would say that Gunny is right, and any mommy who would flush her newborn down a toilet is the cold-hearted one.

Animal moms seem to know to protect their young at birth. Do they know more about being pregnant than this woman?

[jimnyc]

Our laws today take in factors like state of mind and mitigating circumstances

This woman will not just walk away from this but I see no problem with considering all the facts of the case.

The law should take into account all the circumstances, and if found to be mentally unstable, this woman should be held against her will at a mental institution decided by the court until such time she is considered "stable" and fully understands her crime. At such time she should either be sent to prison, or walk away if the court feels the time spent at the institution was sufficient enough to pay her debt to society.

[JohnDoe]

Does it matter? All that would change would be the degree of the crime she should be charged with. It shouldn't help her evade prosecution. If she was "mentally and physically unstable" at the time, then she should serve time in an institution to get herself better and further understand why what she did was a crime.

I agree that she should receive mental help, to make her realize what she had done, and that her child should not be given back to her.... though if she was healed, and came to terms with her actions someday, and her child was still in adoptive services, and she was repentive and desperately wanted to rear her child, and had proven herself to be capable, I probably would not throw a tizzy fit about it....I would probably feel that she should be given this chance....

I am a softy, what can I say?

[LiberalNation]

Animal moms seem to know to protect their young at birth. Do they know more about being pregnant than this woman?

and some eat their own young. And some lay eggs an disapear from the youngs life before they hatch.

[JohnDoe]

I'll bet that baby boy would say that Gunny is right, and any mommy who would flush her newborn down a toilet is the cold-hearted one.

Animal moms seem to know to protect their young at birth. Do they know more about being pregnant than this woman?

I respectfully disagree.

[Abbey Marie]

and some eat their own young. And some lay eggs an disapear from the youngs life before they hatch.

Exceptions to the rule that I knew would be brought up. Most will do almost anything to defend their young.

As to the other point, are we claiming that this woman knew less about being pregnant than an animal? I would think that your average alley cat doesn't really understand pregnancy, or know ahead of time when she will give birth. Yet when she delivers, she gets into gear and does what is necessary to ensure her kitties' survival.

[Abbey Marie]

I respectfully disagree.

With what?

[LiberalNation]

Animal to human comparisions don't work. Animals don't live in societies with rules and other people who will shoot them if they abandon their young. Or force them to take care of them. Humans are not really driven by natural instincts that tell them to do this or do that. They are driven by their society, it's rules, their emotions, their mental state of mind at the moment.

[JohnDoe]

With what?

With this:

...any mommy who would flush her newborn down a toilet is the cold-hearted one.

We don't know the condition of her heart or what she had gone through mentally or phisically to lead her to these actions, it is a presumption of innocense that I give her at this point, not a prejudgement of her hot or cold heart....thus, I disagree!!!

jd

[truthmatters]

Our countries laws take into consideration state opf mind and mitigating circumstances.

This is a good thing people!

This is considering ALL the facts in the case.

I just cant understand why anyone would want facts excluded from how they Deside ANYTHING?

[jimnyc]

I just cant understand why anyone would want facts excluded from how they Deside ANYTHING?

Please show me where anyone has chosen or asked to exclude the facts.

[truthmatters]

Well, I say "bye bye brains" then!

I saw quite a few statements like this in the begining of the thread.

[darin]

We don't know the condition of her heart or what she had gone through mentally or phisically to lead her to these actions, it is a presumption of innocense that I give her at this point, not a prejudgement of her hot or cold heart....thus, I disagree!!!

jd

Her actions betray her heart-condition. The 'fruit' from her heart is evil.

[jimnyc]

I saw quite a few statements like this in the begining of the thread.

And that has WHAT to do with excluding the facts?

Are YOU mentally disabled? Seriously, are you? You don't grasp things as quickly as the average person.

[truthmatters]

She clearly didn't have sound mind.

You said it in response to this.

To any thinking person it sugests you would not care about her state of mind.

I know you will deny that that is what it means but Im sure you wont explain why it means something else either.