I've Noticed This: Trump Going Commonsense

[revelarts]

Hmmm, just did a double check and it appears I haven't thanked or liked any posts in this thread and haven't replied to anyone other than you. You've asked in what seems like a hundred threads about policies liked or disliked, want or don't want, etc. and there are probably a hundred things that fall into that category but the bottom line is that MTG, Gaetz, etc. are not accomplishing anything and are stumbling into a possible future Dem majority and certainly a weaker current Republican majority. The point of this thread is trump is seemingly avoiding some of the crazier endorsements he could likely make and that bodes well going forward IMO. This is important because it is exactly his fault that the Republicans do not have a majority in the Senate. I want what I always want, small-government that follows the Constitution. I don't get that from Democrats, populists, trump, or the crazies. Some of them may stumble into it but that is almost entirely by accident or convenience.

So have the sane "electable" Republicans been walking us soberly into more Small-Government that follows the Constitution for the past 40+ years?
Really?
I wish they'd start stumbling into it a bit more.
At that point no one would be looking for crazy people to do it.

[Black Diamond]

So have the sane "electable" Republicans been walking us soberly into more Small-Government that follows the Constitution for the past 40+ years?
Really?
I wish they'd start stumbling into it a bit more.
At that point no one would be looking for crazy people to do it.

It doesn't seem to matter. If rand Paul won, he'd either cave to the Dems or risk being called an obstructionist.

[SassyLady]

Hmmm, just did a double check and it appears I haven't thanked or liked any posts in this thread and haven't replied to anyone other than you. You've asked in what seems like a hundred threads about policies liked or disliked, want or don't want, etc. and there are probably a hundred things that fall into that category but the bottom line is that MTG, Gaetz, etc. are not accomplishing anything and are stumbling into a possible future Dem majority and certainly a weaker current Republican majority. The point of this thread is trump is seemingly avoiding some of the crazier endorsements he could likely make and that bodes well going forward IMO. This is important because it is exactly his fault that the Republicans do not have a majority in the Senate. I want what I always want, small-government that follows the Constitution. I don't get that from Democrats, populists, trump, or the crazies. Some of them may stumble into it but that is almost entirely by accident or convenience.

When have we ever got it? Under which administration and who were the movers and shakers that made it happen? Gringich?Boener?

[Black Diamond]

When have we ever got it? Under which administration and who were the movers and shakers that made it happen? Gringich?Boener?

Newt

[Gunny]

So have the sane "electable" Republicans been walking us soberly into more Small-Government that follows the Constitution for the past 40+ years?
Really?
I wish they'd start stumbling into it a bit more.
At that point no one would be looking for crazy people to do it.

Not sure how replacing them with worse = better. I'm all for change for the better. Not seeing it.

[Black Diamond]

Not sure how replacing them with worse = better. I'm all for change for the better. Not seeing it.

Point i wss trying to get at yesterday is it doesn't seem to matter who the potus is. In the best circumstances a few dems can give us a pile of crap. Especially when it comes to budgets where 60 votes is required for passage?? IIRC maddog Mattis talked trump into signing the budget because of the military stuff that was in it.

[revelarts]

It doesn't seem to matter. If rand Paul won, he'd either cave to the Dems or risk being called an obstructionist.

No. Crazy populous Obstructionist!
Politicians can only TALK about small-government that follows the Constitution, actually DOING whatever it takes to get some of that is extreme crazy populous & obstructionist.
plus Chicanerous and Deplorable.

Can't have that, You know, just like in the revolution. Where everyone acted sane and responsibly with the British gov't and then created the constitution.

[fj1200]

So have the sane "electable" Republicans been walking us soberly into more Small-Government that follows the Constitution for the past 40+ years?
Really?
I wish they'd start stumbling into it a bit more.
At that point no one would be looking for crazy people to do it.

When have we ever got it? Under which administration and who were the movers and shakers that made it happen? Gringich?Boener?

You both seem to be under some mistaken impression that SGC is what the crazies want. Nothing they say tells me that SGC is the very core of what they believe. Rev now loves populism. Sassy wants chaos. Rev thinks everyone is the same. Sassy thinks anyone in power is an attention-seeking whore. You two do not seem to have any sense of where this leads or how it gets to your favored outcome or the outcome is a net positive. My sense is that the current road leads nowhere good.

The country has been moving right since Goldwater. Reagan had to change the culture first. Gingrich had to break decades of Dem majorities. And along the way fits and starts with now the majority of states being led by Republicans and SCOTUS with a 6-3 majority. You two expect magic. The only thing I wanted from trump was a conservative SCOTUS majority and for him not to screw up the rest of his time with his populist leanings which he managed to do. We've got the former and the latter is still my best outcome if he wins again.

[revelarts]

You both seem to be under some mistaken impression that SGC is what the crazies want. Nothing they say tells me that SGC is the very core of what they believe. Rev now loves populism. Sassy wants chaos. Rev thinks everyone is the same. Sassy thinks anyone in power is an attention-seeking whore. You two do not seem to have any sense of where this leads or how it gets to your favored outcome or the outcome is a net positive. My sense is that the current road leads nowhere good.

The country has been moving right since Goldwater. Reagan had to change the culture first. Gingrich had to break decades of Dem majorities. And along the way fits and starts with now the majority of states being led by Republicans and SCOTUS with a 6-3 majority. You two expect magic. The only thing I wanted from trump was a conservative SCOTUS majority and for him not to screw up the rest of his time with his populist leanings which he managed to do. We've got the former and the latter is still my best outcome if he wins again.

Well, ya know what would be magic? Getting all the "conservatives" who vote for establishment Republicans they think are electable to vote for candidates that reflect their true policy values rather than for establishment place holders with Rs attached to their names.


moving more right? really
Is Romney more right than Goldwater or Reagan?
McCain?
Are Mike Johnson, Kevin McCarthy, Paul Ryan, John Boehner? even Gingrich?

Is the country more right leaning now than when Goldwater ran for president?
What aspects of the right are you thinking of exactly that the nation is more ready for?

[Black Diamond]

Well, ya know what would be magic? Getting all the "conservatives" who vote for establishment Republicans they think are electable to vote for candidates that reflect their true policy values rather than for establishment place holders with Rs attached to their names.


moving more right? really
Is Romney more right than Goldwater or Reagan?
McCain?
Are Mike Johnson, Kevin McCarthy, Paul Ryan, John Boehner? even Gingrich?

Is the country more right leaning now than when Goldwater ran for president?
What aspects of the right are you thinking of exactly that the nation is more ready for?

Depends on how the labels "left" and "right" are defined

[fj1200]

Well, ya know what would be magic? Getting all the "conservatives" who vote for establishment Republicans they think are electable to vote for candidates that reflect their true policy values rather than for establishment place holders with Rs attached to their names.


moving more right? really
Is Romney more right than Goldwater or Reagan?
McCain?
Are Mike Johnson, Kevin McCarthy, Paul Ryan, John Boehner? even Gingrich?

Is the country more right leaning now than when Goldwater ran for president?
What aspects of the right are you thinking of exactly that the nation is more ready for?

Your problem is essentially that you demand this perfection of the American populace that is just not there. The problem is that the "conservatives" are exactly that. "Conservative." As I've stated before I've come to the realization that people I thought who were SGC prior to 2016 have proven themselves to not be. Fact.

Is everyone since Goldwater incrementally more right than the guy before? That would be a stupid expectation. You want to be this big picture person but you miss the obvious rightward moves that we have had. If this great rightward migration ends and we move left as an inevitable outcome of populism then so be it. I'm just not going to fool myself into thinking left is actually right.

[fj1200]

Depends on how the labels "left" and "right" are defined

Those two labels are nebulous just as RINO is now nebulous. Smaller government vs larger government. More liberty vs less liberty. Things like that are definable even if more liberty is better than it was yesterday but not where we want it tomorrow.

[SassyLady]

You both seem to be under some mistaken impression that SGC is what the crazies want. Nothing they say tells me that SGC is the very core of what they believe. Rev now loves populism. Sassy wants chaos. Rev thinks everyone is the same. Sassy thinks anyone in power is an attention-seeking whore. You two do not seem to have any sense of where this leads or how it gets to your favored outcome or the outcome is a net positive. My sense is that the current road leads nowhere good.

The country has been moving right since Goldwater. Reagan had to change the culture first. Gingrich had to break decades of Dem majorities. And along the way fits and starts with now the majority of states being led by Republicans and SCOTUS with a 6-3 majority. You two expect magic. The only thing I wanted from trump was a conservative SCOTUS majority and for him not to screw up the rest of his time with his populist leanings which he managed to do. We've got the former and the latter is still my best outcome if he wins again.

I have never used the word "whore" so I have no idea how you came up with that.

[Kathianne]

I have never used the word "whore" so I have no idea how you came up with that.

I think when I said something to the effect that MTG was an attention whore, you responded with something like, 'aren't they all?'

[fj1200]

I have never used the word "whore" so I have no idea how you came up with that.

How do you make this connection? I'm a fighter so I don't see realty? What reality am I not seeing here Kath?

BTW ... who do you support that isn't a publicity seeking whore? They're all publicity seekers. That's how they get their votes.

That wasn't the takeaway I was looking for.