That'll Show 'Em

[revelarts]

Actually the definitions of words do negate it as presented.

"... the cancer incidence has gone up in Japan just due to the vaccine program. They've correlated it absolutely beautifully. "

Correlation is not causation. I thought you gave some credence to the Great Barrington Declaration. If I'm not mistaken it drew a line between not going to regular doctor appointments with increases in other diseases/cancer?.

So at the very least, rationally, it'd follow that since "correlation is not causation" there's NO good reason to take any vaccine, or drug at this point, because no on can ever honestly assume correlation & causation.
Seems there's no level of correlation that will convince some folks.

......
Eyewitness: Officer I saw him fire the gun and then the man fell down dead from a wound made by this piece on metal found in what's left of his brain.
Police Officer: Well correlation is not causation ya know!
........



Want to know what doesn't correlate?
LESS disease & less cancers with more vaccines.
For some unknowable reason there's more.

[fj1200]

So at the very least, rationally, it'd follow that since "correlation is not causation" there's NO good reason to take any vaccine, or drug at this point, because no on can ever honestly assume correlation & causation.
Seems there's no level of correlation that will convince some folks.

......
Eyewitness: Officer I saw him fire the gun and then the man fell down dead from a wound made by this piece on metal found in what's left of his brain.
Police Officer: Well correlation is not causation ya know!
........

Want to know what doesn't correlate?
LESS disease & less cancers with more vaccines.
For some unknowable reason there's more.

Your example indicates you don't really understand the scientific question. I recall you posted something about ivermectin and Uttar Pradesh ages ago and your claims didn't really pan out.

[Kathianne]

Your example indicates you don't really understand the scientific question. I recall you posted something about ivermectin and Uttar Pradesh ages ago and your claims didn't really pan out.

Which is part of the reason there's no point in continuing discussions like this one. I'm so reminded in the idea that what one side accuses the other of, is most often their own greatest flaw.

[fj1200]

Which is part of the reason there's no point in continuing discussions like this one. I'm so reminded in the idea that what one side accuses the other of, is most often their own greatest flaw.

We should be able to look critically at what others post and what we want to post. My greatest fear is posting something that doesn't say what I think it says. As in the greatest rule of debating; don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to.

[Kathianne]

We should be able to look critically at what others post and what we want to post. My greatest fear is posting something that doesn't say what I think it says. As in the greatest rule of debating; don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to.

Too many no longer seem able to see that any problem may have more than one answer. Some may be preferable to others, but when decisions need to be made, we all do our best. Now rather than any empathy, folks want to fight the last war. I'm just not trying to do that, considering the state of the country, my own age, my grandkids, I'm much more focused on what's coming.

[fj1200]

Too many no longer seem able to see that any problem may have more than one answer. Some may be preferable to others, but when decisions need to be made, we all do our best. Now rather than any empathy, folks want to fight the last war. I'm just not trying to do that, considering the state of the country, my own age, my grandkids, I'm much more focused on what's coming.

A related story I think. So in Sunday School today, in the middle of a series on how to read the bible... hermeneutics, in my progressive class someone is always talking about those darned fundamentalists and how those folks are so wrong with little acknowledgement that they could be making the same mistake.

[revelarts]

Your example indicates you don't really understand the scientific question. I recall you posted something about ivermectin and Uttar Pradesh ages ago and your claims didn't really pan out.

your example indicates that you're dodging the facts at hand.

Because your better understanding of science argument isn't with me & my record, but with the UK professor of oncology and Japanese gov't FJ.

[Gunny]

Too many no longer seem able to see that any problem may have more than one answer. Some may be preferable to others, but when decisions need to be made, we all do our best. Now rather than any empathy, folks want to fight the last war. I'm just not trying to do that, considering the state of the country, my own age, my grandkids, I'm much more focused on what's coming.

I can say this as it relates to that, and the topic.

I've had the measles. If there's an outbreak and a chance I can get them again, I'm lining right up for the shot. Anyone who doesn't want to can take their chances proving how tough they think their immune system and or home-grown remedies are. Having endured a couple of weeks of sores all over my body that itch like hell continuously and spread and/or leave scars if you scratch them because there was no immunization for them at the time?

It's not a matter of fear. Obviously, since I'm sitting here typing, I survived It's a matter of "Why?". Why put myself through that shit again for no real, good reason? Two things I can't stand: itching and missing workouts.

[Kathianne]

I can say this as it relates to that, and the topic.

I've had the measles. If there's an outbreak and a chance I can get them again, I'm lining right up for the shot. Anyone who doesn't want to can take their chances proving how tough they think their immune system and or home-grown remedies are. Having endured a couple of weeks of sores all over my body that itch like hell continuously and spread and/or leave scars if you scratch them because there was no immunization for them at the time?

It's not a matter of fear. Obviously, since I'm sitting here typing, I survived It's a matter of "Why?". Why put myself through that shit again for no real, good reason? Two things I can't stand: itching and missing workouts.

I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you feel better soon. Aveeno baths helped the kids and my DIL with shingles.

[fj1200]

your example indicates that you're dodging the facts at hand.

Because your better understanding of science argument isn't with me & my record, but with the UK professor of oncology and Japanese gov't FJ.

I have no argument with the excerpt you've pulled. You and the UK professor are, IMO, overreading what it actually says. They've done nothing more than analyze raw statistics and have in no way made a controlled study of the vaccines and their effects. If they did then the study would say that vaccinated individuals had x levels of cancer incidence and unvaccinated individuals had <x levels of cancer incidence.

"... cancers may be attributable..."

"This study discusses possible explanations...

What fact am I dodging?

[Gunny]

I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you feel better soon. Aveeno baths helped the kids and my DIL with shingles.

"Had". Long, long time ago. Early 60s, pre-vaccine. I'm fine now. Point is, not doing it again if i don't have to

[Kathianne]

"Had". Long, long time ago. Early 60s, pre-vaccine. I'm fine now. Point is, not doing it again if i don't have to

Gotcha! Wow, I was thinking there's not boosters after completing MMR series.

[Gunny]

Gotcha! Wow, I was thinking there's not boosters after completing MMR series.

I really need to do some research. I was under the impression once you had them it was one and done. I have had the Rubella vaccine. Have no idea what the shelf-life is on any of that for old folk

[revelarts]

Too many no longer seem able to see that any problem may have more than one answer.

This is all I and many others wanted acknowledged from the beginning.
but mask, lockdowns and vaccines were promoted as THE only way to deal with covid Kath.
everyone was supposed to get on the same page ... OR ELSE.
Everything else, like ivermectin, was and still is not taken seriously.
worse the information has been censored, banned, websites shut down, and many drs lost their credentials etc..

Yes, many people are not open to consider anything but what they've long understood as "the right way" to approach some problems.
But frankly that problem is not one that leans in my direction.

Some may be preferable to others, but when decisions need to be made, we all do our best. Now rather than any empathy, folks want to fight the last war. I'm just not trying to do that, considering the state of the country, my own age, my grandkids, I'm much more focused on what's coming.

So when the next coming gain of function virus that the govt funds comes along do you think the gov't will point your kids & grand kids in the right direction to make the best decisions?
So no one should really talk about what happened this time?
Or that the vaccines they've taken "maybe" be problem down the road is not worth discussing?
really?

I mean As i said earlier, it's fine if people want to wait for more info on the vaccine dangers and assume there's not enough info either way... for them to think there's a "serious" problem.
ok, that's fine.
But personally I Just don't think it's honest to pretend that at this point there is not MORE information pointing in one direction than another.

People's feelings are important of course, but somehow, 3 years of HARD CORE lies & censorship of facts, and real govt coercion to the point of job & biz losses. Not to mention real medical injuries and death, any empathy left to send to those folks?

I get we all can only deal with so many issues but please, let's not act like we should all just be polite and move on.
Many people literally cannot move on because they have "mysterious" new cancers, heart damage, other injuries or are dead.
It's not the last war. It's a problem now, people are sick now. People are getting/dealing with cancers & heart problems now AND the drug companies and WHO are promoting MORE of the same vaccines and gov't or WHO controls to tell people what to take now.

It may not be your issue but it's not just a matter of the old war.
we all need to do our best when making decisions,
and have the freedom to do so,
to do that we all need access to enough information medically and the legal freedoms that allow us to do what we think is best.
Seems like something still worth talking about IMO.

[Gunny]

This is all I and many others wanted acknowledged from the beginning.
but mask, lockdowns and vaccines were promoted as THE only way to deal with covid Kath.
everyone was supposed to get on the same page ... OR ELSE.
Everything else, like ivermectin, was and still is not taken seriously.
worse the information has been censored, banned, websites shut down, and many drs lost their credentials etc..

Yes, many people are not open to consider anything but what they've long understood as "the right way" to approach some problems.
But frankly that problem is not one that leans in my direction.



So when the next coming gain of function virus that the govt funds comes along do you think the gov't will point your kids & grand kids in the right direction to make the best decisions?
So no one should really talk about what happened this time?
Or that the vaccines they've taken "maybe" be problem down the road is not worth discussing?
really?

I mean As i said earlier, it's fine if people want to wait for more info on the vaccine dangers and assume there's not enough info either way... for them to think there's a "serious" problem.
ok, that's fine.
But personally I Just don't think it's honest to pretend that at this point there is not MORE information pointing in one direction than another.

People's feelings are important of course, but somehow, 3 years of HARD CORE lies & censorship of facts, and real govt coercion to the point of job & biz losses. Not to mention real medical injuries and death, any empathy left to send to those folks?

I get we all can only deal with so many issues but please, let's not act like we should all just be polite and move on.
Many people literally cannot move on because they have "mysterious" new cancers, heart damage, other injuries or are dead.
It's not the last war. It's a problem now, people are sick now. People are getting/dealing with cancers & heart problems now AND the drug companies and WHO are promoting MORE of the same vaccines and gov't or WHO controls to tell people what to take now.

It may not be your issue but it's not just a matter of the old war.
we all need to do our best when making decisions,
and have the freedom to do so,
to do that we all need access to enough information medically and the legal freedoms that allow us to do what we think is best.
Seems like something still worth talking about IMO.

It's 2024, not 2020. Time to move on.