That'll Show 'Em

[revelarts]

...So when the next coming gain of function virus that the govt funds comes along do you think the gov't will point your kids & grand kids in the right direction to make the best decisions?
So no one should really talk about what happened this time?
Or that the vaccines they've taken "maybe" be problem down the road is not worth discussing?...

It's 2024, not 2020. Time to move on.

So your answer to the questions is, yes.
& Gunny you seem to have said that you've already decided to get the next vaccine the govt spits out and not worry about any consequences for yourself or anyone else.
ok, no worries, all the best to you. I hope that works out.

But, if you Kath & FJ don't mind i'll keep talking about it.
I'm not forcing anyone to read my post, much less respond. enjoy your medications.
move on.

Yep. Choices made. Regrets expressed where thought appropriate. I for one never hassled anyone to do as I thought. Period.

thing is Kath, it's not personal.
I only replied to your personal situation when you bring it up.
The study from the Japan doesn't address you or gunny's personal thoughts or actions. neither does the UK oncologist's.
They are pointing out facts for everyone today, based on actions taken BY THE GOVT & BIG PHARMA in 2019-2020... no matter what your personal POV was in 2020.
You did not censor or close schools or biz or fire people or coerce others to take experimental drugs.
But I do think it's wise to LEARN from the govts pass mistakes. rather than giving them a pass. Personal correction and insight is great but letting the govt know that this kind of action will not be toltarated in the future for you kids and grandkids might be something others want to point out from time to time.

Rather than just walking away from the biggest govt & medical disruption of American life in the past 100 years as if it was a little hickup.
that doesn't even really need an official post mortem, beyond a few whispered apologies and "oops" from a handful of public figures.

Impossible convo you're attempting.

Takes 2 Kath.
I know some folks who cannot bring themselves to even consider seriously the idea that vaccines might not be as safe & effective as advertised. that they all are generally VITAL and good.
It's beyond proof in their minds. It's a fact like the sun rising.
But still, FJ already said that the Japanese study says "maybe" there's a problem, however seems clear he's not really taking the evidence at this point seriously in that he tried to find ever viable reason why the study may be flawed. He suggested covid itself as the cause & lack of cancer care as the cause. Then after exhausting those he grabbed on to "maybe" and is content to live in the possibility that something else IS the cause... anything but the vaccine?
And asserts I and oncologist are somehow recklessly jumping the gun.
But the question that started this line of conversation was,
"WITH THE EVIDENCE ON HAND TODAY", what does he think is the cause?
1st He basically denied there's ANY evidence, "just" some "correlation", then he fell back to "maybe" in the study but still holds to ignorance and won't point to any possible or likely cause..
Seems there's might be some bias there Kath. Am I way out in left field here?
No one says that more study shouldn't be done. I think FAR more needs to be done. I suspect many people don't want to "waste the time" because they already know that the vaccines are good and "anti-vaxxers!" might get traction. Plus no one they know had a problem.
Rather than being more concerned about people getting cancer.

Look, There's no doubt I have bias, many. I'm well aware of it. And I literally have to check myself.
Some of us can admit our own. And frankly I appreciate HONEST, factual push back, since I don't like being wrong.
But sometimes it seems others act as if they have no biases. I'm not sure if they are trying to gaslight others or themselves.

I make a note to you today, that if I see evidence that there SOMETHING ELSE that's the MORE likely the cause of the known uptick in cancers in Japan & elsewhere I'll post it here.
In fact here's a straw for FJ to grasps.
it's now known that LACK of sunlight allows more disease of all kinds diseases, including cancers, to proliferate. the lockdown forced people in inside world wide.
So "MAYBE" that's a factor. It should be studied. But right now there's NO evidence of ANYTHING, since correlation is not causation

[Kathianne]

So your answer to the questions is, yes.
& Gunny you seem to have said that you've already decided to get the next vaccine the govt spits out and not worry about any consequences for yourself or anyone else.
ok, no worries, all the best to you. I hope that works out.

But, if you Kath & FJ don't mind i'll keep talking about it.
I'm not forcing anyone to read my post, much less respond. enjoy your medications.
move on.


thing is Kath, it's not personal.
I only replied to your personal situation when you bring it up.
The study from the Japan doesn't address you or gunny's personal thoughts or actions. neither does the UK oncologist's.
They are pointing out facts for everyone today, based on actions taken BY THE GOVT & BIG PHARMA in 2019-2020... no matter what your personal POV was in 2020.
You did not censor or close schools or biz or fire people or coerce others to take experimental drugs.
But I do think it's wise to LEARN from the govts pass mistakes. rather than giving them a pass. Personal correction and insight is great but letting the govt know that this kind of action will not be toltarated in the future for you kids and grandkids might be something others want to point out from time to time.

Rather than just walking away from the biggest govt & medical disruption of American life in the past 100 years as if it was a little hickup.
that doesn't even really need an official post mortem, beyond a few whispered apologies and "oops" from a handful of public figures.



Takes 2 Kath.
I know some folks who cannot bring themselves to even consider seriously the idea that vaccines might not be as safe & effective as advertised. that they all are generally VITAL and good.
It's beyond proof in their minds. It's a fact like the sun rising.
But still, FJ already said that the Japanese study says "maybe" there's a problem, however seems clear he's not really taking the evidence at this point seriously in that he tried to find ever viable reason why the study may be flawed. He suggested covid itself as the cause & lack of cancer care as the cause. Then after exhausting those he grabbed on to "maybe" and is content to live in the possibility that something else IS the cause... anything but the vaccine?
And asserts I and oncologist are somehow recklessly jumping the gun.
But the question that started this line of conversation was,
"WITH THE EVIDENCE ON HAND TODAY", what does he think is the cause?
1st He basically denied there's ANY evidence, "just" some "correlation", then he fell back to "maybe" in the study but still holds to ignorance and won't point to any possible or likely cause..
Seems there's might be some bias there Kath. Am I way out in left field here?
No one says that more study shouldn't be done. I think FAR more needs to be done. I suspect many people don't want to "waste the time" because they already know that the vaccines are good and "anti-vaxxers!" might get traction. Plus no one they know had a problem.
Rather than being more concerned about people getting cancer.

Look, There's no doubt I have bias, many. I'm well aware of it. And I literally have to check myself.
Some of us can admit our own. And frankly I appreciate HONEST, factual push back, since I don't like being wrong.
But sometimes it seems others act as if they have no biases. I'm not sure if they are trying to gaslight others or themselves.

I make a note to you today, that if I see evidence that there SOMETHING ELSE that's the MORE likely the cause of the known uptick in cancers in Japan & elsewhere I'll post it here.
In fact here's a straw for FJ to grasps.
it's now known that LACK of sunlight allows more disease of all kinds diseases, including cancers, to proliferate. the lockdown forced people in inside world wide.
So "MAYBE" that's a factor. It should be studied. But right now there's NO evidence of ANYTHING, since correlation is not causation

I am not of the mindset that every vax is something that everyone should get and even with Covid, I waited some time before getting; long enough that I didn't think my grandchildren or even children should get it, as they are all healthy and under 45. I chose for myself, with the limited info available, BECAUSE I had more than a few of the high risk factors. Not everyone who isn't anti-vax is an idiot.

I do think the freaking government and Pharmas have screwed things up for a long, long time. Feel free to keep making noise to have folks not vaccinate their kids from highly contagious and high risk childhood illnesses, might actually work out in a Darwinian way.

[revelarts]

I am not of the mindset that every vax is something that everyone should get and even with Covid, I waited some time before getting; long enough that I didn't think my grandchildren or even children should get it, as they are all healthy and under 45. I chose for myself, with the limited info available, BECAUSE I had more than a few of the high risk factors.

Not everyone who isn't anti-vax is an idiot.

Never said they were.

I do think the freaking government and Pharmas have screwed things up for a long, long time.


Feel free to keep making noise to have folks not vaccinate their kids from highly contagious and high risk childhood illnesses, might actually work out in a Darwinian way.

Yes, it might.

[fj1200]

But still, FJ already said that the Japanese study says "maybe" there's a problem, however seems clear he's not really taking the evidence at this point seriously in that he tried to find ever viable reason why the study may be flawed. He suggested covid itself as the cause & lack of cancer care as the cause. Then after exhausting those he grabbed on to "maybe" and is content to live in the possibility that something else IS the cause... anything but the vaccine?
And asserts I and oncologist are somehow recklessly jumping the gun.
But the question that started this line of conversation was,
"WITH THE EVIDENCE ON HAND TODAY", what does he think is the cause?
1st He basically denied there's ANY evidence, "just" some "correlation", then he fell back to "maybe" in the study but still holds to ignorance and won't point to any possible or likely cause..

For F*s sake. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying then don't try to sum up my words to someone else. I have merely quoted the exact words that they used indicating that they do not know the cause but will be investigated further. Reread that last sentence over and over until it clicks in your head.