Another white male, another mass shooting

[JakeStarkey]

The fact remains that most mass shooters are white males.

[Surf Fishing Guru]

I dont know what that 50% is about . . .

Don't even try to understand what he's saying, you can be certain he doesn't know what he's talking about. He Googled "race of mass shooters" and he came and posted a link to some jackoff's blog; that is the extent of his scholarship.

This is a great example that shows that gun rights people really need to pay very close attention to the terminology anti-gunners use and which datasets they are using to arrive at the duplicitous conclusion they are advancing at the moment.

Here we have a guy using a source that uses a definition of "mass shooter / shooting" that reduces the number of incidents to 125 cherry-picked cases over 39 years. This comes from Mother Jones and they admit it is has very selective criteria to be included.

Understand, that dataset is chosen just so the "WHITEY ON A RAMPAGE" narrative can be advanced. His source uses the term "mass shooter" but is really using criteria that is even more narrow than the FBI uses for "mass murder".

This is where is gets confusing because the vast majority of media and politicians, when they are discussing "mass shooters / mass shootings" use the Gun Violence Archive definition of mass shooter. GVA uses the criteria of, "4+ shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at one location, at roughly the same time".

NOTE, unlike Mother Jones, the GVA number does not require any person to die.

DEMedia and leftist anti-gun politicians love the GVA tally because GVA gives a histrionic, geared for emotional reaction number of "mass shootings" that is geared to shock -- as of today, Sept 27, 2021, the GVA says there have been 527 mass shootings this year.

So obviously, Jake's number doesn't have any relationship with what "mass shootings" are in today's discourse and his racial percentages are BS.

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[JakeStarkey]

The documentation is obvious above.

Surf above is a goof ball, period.

The documented stat below puts whites as mass shooters about 58% of the time, a solid majority.

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/23...ass-shootings/

[Gunny]

Maybe gabo misspelled "another raghead, another act of terror".

Sure looks like I had an issue with the "return"

Nope. Typical lefty. Throws out BS she knows will piss off some people. She doesn't care about the topic. Just getting an emotional response.

[icansayit]

The fact remains that most mass shooters are white males.

Sounds like you'd be angry, or jealous for not being included as a Mass Shooter since we all know...

You're really pretty good at shootin your mouth off here...Even if they ARE all BLANKS.

[Gunny]

The fact remains that most mass shooters are white males.

That's because we can shoot. And don't fuck with us then nobody gets shot. See how easy that is?

[Surf Fishing Guru]

The documentation is obvious above.

Surf above is a goof ball, period.

The documented stat below puts whites as mass shooters about 58% of the time, a solid majority.

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/23...ass-shootings/

What's obvious is you are using cherry-picked stats to make a spurious claim.

So I'll ask, a solid majority of what?

What you claim is a majority is a majority of what Mother Jones calls a mass shooting.

It isn't a majority of the incidents Gun Violence Archive calls a mass shooting, which is also the definition the vast majority of news people and politicians have used for years and continue to use.

It's funny, one of the links you provided earlier -- in a segment of its series on mass shootings -- speaks to your problem:

"The Washington Post’s Christopher Ingraham, who had reported in 2015 that mass shootings were happening about once a day, revisited the subject the following year, taking a closer look at the numbers. He offered an insightful analysis:

On Thursday, a gunman shot and killed three people and injured 14 more in Hesston, Kan., before he was killed by police.

It was the 49th mass shooting of 2016.

No scratch that, it was the 33rd mass shooting.

Actually, wait: It was only the second mass shooting this year, and it barely made the cut.

It’s said that the Inuit people have 50 words for snow. Sometimes it seems like Americans have nearly as many definitions for “mass shooting.” Which definition is correct? They all are—it just depends on what you want to measure.

Limiting mass shootings in this way is useful because it tends to filter out all but the big, headline-grabbing incidents that most people think of when they think “mass shooting”: Kalamazoo, Charleston, Umpqua.

But the definition omits a number of shootings that many reasonable people would consider a mass shooting. The man who shot up a theater in Lafayette, La., last summer killed only two people and wounded nine others—not a mass shooting, per Mother Jones’ definition.

The killing of three people and shooting of 16 others at Fort Hood in 2014 isn’t included because not enough people died. Ditto the rampage at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic last year."

Do you see your problem?


Do you understand that, according to you, the recent shooting at the Krogers in Tennessee, with 14 shot and injured and one dead, was not a mass shooting; even though CBS News, in that link, says it was a mass shooting, as do dozens of other news organizations.

According to you, those news organizations are lying.

Why are they misrepresenting what a mass shooting is?

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[JakeStarkey]

The fact that remains that SurfnTurf can't get over is that most mass shootings are by whites.

[jimnyc]

The fact that remains that SurfnTurf can't get over is that most mass shootings are by whites.

"mass shootings"? I don't think so.

[Surf Fishing Guru]

The fact that remains that SurfnTurf can't get over is that most mass shootings are by whites.

What I "can't get over" is your position that the shooting last Thursday at the Krogers with 1 dead, 14 injured, was not a mass shooting.

Can you explain?

[icansayit]

The fact that remains that SurfnTurf can't get over is that most mass shootings are by whites.

Your need to constantly talk about shootings by whites, and always calling them mass shootings while you intentionally NEVER want to talk about those SIXTY....That's 60 shootings that took place over the last weekend in LIGHTFOOTS REALLY SAFE CHICAGO.

You idiots refuse to talk about problems YOU CREATE by hiding behind other stories to keep you from ever being pushed into any corner that would expose your endless lies.
SO, like the good little goat chaser you are.

You and Biden want to CONTROL what we talk about to protect your melting little ignorant snowflake hearts of mush.

So, it gives me great pleasure to constantly wish you...A NICE URINE SMELLING PISSOFF.

[Gunny]

Most white males are white males. Can't count the ones that want to be on the girl's track team

[SassyLady]

Most white males are white males. Can't count the ones that want to be on the girl's track team

Or an Olympic wrestler

[Surf Fishing Guru]

Your need to constantly talk about shootings by whites, and always calling them mass shootings while you intentionally NEVER want to talk about those SIXTY....That's 60 shootings that took place over the last weekend in LIGHTFOOTS REALLY SAFE CHICAGO.

See ol' Jake is in a real dilemma. He so desperately wants to parrot this BS that most "mass shooters" are White, but that demands he rest his argument on an extremely narrow, cherry-picked set of incidents.

He is forced to exclude from his examples of "mass shootings", incidents that everyone in the conversation includes as being "mass shootings".

He wants to use the term "mass shooting" for all the emotional response it receives, but not employ the criteria that everyone else uses, because if he did that it that will destroy his BS claim that most "mass shooters" are White.

As I said earlier, everyone uses the Gun Violence Archive's criteria to assign the moniker "mass shooting" to a particular crime.

The criteria used, "4+ shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at one location, at roughly the same time" is a big net that catches a lot of incidents that are just the everyday violence that happens a few times a week where most shootings happen and are the kind of shootings one doesn't really pay much attention to, except for the couple minutes they lead the local news in just about any large city.

They are the drug corner drive-by's, the drug house rip squads, retaliation shootings at candlelight vigils for other shooting victims and just general mayhem of thug life.

In other words, the "4+ shot in one incident" is great for the DEMedia to throw out histrionic numbers but a close examination destroys the "Whitey on a rampage" narrative.

These "mass shootings" are what so many regular, everyday shootings are, inner-city young guys shooting at other inner-city young guys over stupid crap that nobody but inner-city young guys care about.

So Jake has a decision to make, stay attached to his "mostly White guys" BS but lose making arguments about the larger body of "mass shootings" or accept the definition everyone else uses and accept that most mass shooters are POC's.

I told him I knew he didn't know what he was talking about; he should have just shut up . . .

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[Kathianne]

It seems what Jake is attempting to say is that white males are bad.

In actuality when it comes to mass shootings that are planned and the murderer is attempting to make a statement or garner media/law enforcement attention by completing said plan to a significant degree the murderer is more likely to be a white male.