Trump is against those kneeling in the NFL

[jimnyc]

Sweet, another yanking their sponsoring or ads. I hope many more pull the ads.

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It Begins. Owner of Historic US Clothing Company Pulls Ads from NFL Games

Allan Jones, CEO of Hardwick Clothing and Check Into Cash payday loan company, announced on Tuesday he is through with sponsoring the wardrobes and advertising on the NFL.

Hardwick Clothing is America’s oldest suit maker.

In his statement Jones said, “Our companies will not condone unpatriotic behavior!”
The Times Free Press reported:

Two years ago, Cleveland, Tenn., businessman Allan Jones was proudly showing off his newly acquired Hardwick Clothing-brand suits by providing the wardrobe for NBC’s on-air talent during the network’s broadcasts of NFL football games.

But after NFL players and coaches challenged President Donald Trump and many took a knee during the national anthem played before their games over the weekend, Jones said he is through sponsoring the wardrobes or advertising on stations that air the National Football League.

Jones, CEO of the payday lending chain Check Into Cash and owner of Hardwick Clothes — America’s oldest suit maker — tweeted his criticism and change of heart Tuesday.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...ads-nfl-games/

[jimnyc]

Are folks actually angry, some ask? How about burning $4,000 worth of tickets angry.

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NFL Fan Rodney Heard – a Marine Veteran – Burns $4000 Worth of NFL Tickets Online

Colts season ticket-holder Rodney Heard torched his Colts season tickets on Monday after several Indianapolis players knelt down during the National Anthem.

Rodney served in the Marines and his father and grandfather are also veterans who served their country.
Rodney took to Facebook on Monday to voice his anger over Sunday’s NFL protests.

He torched his Colts season tickets in a public Facebook live video.

(video at site)

Rest - http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...-online-video/

[revelarts]

I disagree with that guy. He also tries to make a bunch of comparisons,

unfortunately none of them have anything to do with current times of folks disrespecting our flag and anthem.
Just as so many protested the vietnam war and our troops returning. Doing it then as a form of protest wasn't right at all, and that hardly makes it any more right if done today.
disrespect for our flag, anthem & endless soldiers who fought and died for our country. NOTHING in my eyes will EVER make that remotely even ok.

It doesn't have to be "OK" with you.
It's part of the freedom that the people died FOR.
that's the part that many seem to IGNORE that are so upset.
the Right to Protest and free speech is IN the constitution, THAT'S what the soldiers swore to "protect and defend".
Standing or publicly honoring the FLAG or Anthem are NOT in the constitution. Those acts are ONLY symbols to honor... NOT ONLY the people who died... but WHAT THEY DIED FOR.

You don't have to LIKE or "be OK with" ANYONE's views. but we all have the right to speak, and the NFL players are simply using it.

The vet in that video states:

He has no legs, but he'll stand for the both of them when the anthem is played.

that's GREAT. I get that. and respect it.
Others ...including some vets... have failed to stand in various forms of protest.
I get that to and respect it.

I've asked this on FB, here and other places - no answer.

WHY CAN'T they do as I propose...

um... so why can't they do both?

And like a lot of protest, somethings are not really planned. I don't think the knelling was a long term PR plan.
But a response to the number people killed and harmed by police unjustly.

And why is it that no matter WHAT people do in protest, there are people that want them to "DO SOMETHING ELSE"? But it always sounds like, do it in a way that i can ignore or doesn't bother me?

...which is to do something bigger, just outside of football? Maybe use a stadium, get as many players as possible, maybe even every one of those who took a knee. Have something planned for prime time. Have a special on 60 minutes or another channel or another place.

Bring it in a respectful manner. With no one being offended right off the bat, maybe they'll get positive attention, and folks actually listening.
I know they "can" kneel, and that's not my question.

one thing about the knelling at games is that it bring it up REGULARLY as aposed to a ONE off 60 minutes or big event.
but sure and How about a stadium filled with people discussing the problem overbearing policing and out of wack justice system.
I mean looking at list of maimed and dead unarmed people is offensive.

[aboutime]

It doesn't have to be "OK" with you.
It's part of the freedom that the people died FOR.
that's the part that many seem to IGNORE that are so upset.
the Right to Protest and free speech is IN the constitution, THAT'S what the soldiers swore to "protect and defend".
Standing or publicly honoring the FLAG or Anthem are NOT in the constitution. Those acts ar ONLY symbols to honor NOT ONLY the people who died but WHAT THEY DIED FOR.

You don't have to LIKE or "be OK with" ANYONE's views. but we all have the right to speak, and the NFL players are simply using it.





that's GREAT. I get that. and respect it.
Others ...including some vets... have failed to stand in various forms of protest.
I get that to and respect it.



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um... so why can't they do both?

And like a lot of protest, somethings are not really planned. I don't think the knelling was a long term PR plan.
But a response to the number people killed and harmed by police unjustly.

And why is it that no matter WHAT people do in protest, there are people that want them to "DO SOMETHING ELSE"? But it always sounds like, do it in a way that i can ignore or doesn't bother me?


one thing about the knelling at games is that it bring it up REGULARLY as aposed to a ONE off 60 minutes or big event.
but sure and How about a stadium filled with people discussing the problem overbearing policing and out of wack justice system.
I mean looking at list of maimed and dead unarmed people is offensive.

How come you weren't out there on the sidelines rev? Oh, that's right. It's a place where the FANS want to see a game, and enjoy their Sunday without all of the Racist BULLSHIT being leveled by You, and all of the Immature Millionaires who only know how to play a game, and pretend they are smarter than everyone else.

We'll see how much they support the flag, and the anthem to EMPTY STADIUMS. They'll have to go into the stands, and buy their own refreshments during the COMMERICIAL BREAKS because...WE THE PEOPLE do not want to listen to all of the crying from the perpetual VICTIMS of false whining. And you should go too!

[jimnyc]

Rev - how much discussion is going on about the issues? Or is the majority of discussion about arguing over the kneeling? That's correct, more about the kneeling. If they want to go this route, a route in which many get angry with them, and the majority ignore whatever message they want to send, that's cool with me. If you think a message HAS been sent by all of this thus far, you're sorely mistaken. All it's done is create conversation about the kneeling and the anthem.

If that was their intent, good for them. If they had a different message, perhaps they can find an avenue that doesn't leave many folks feeling disrespected. If they say "this is our right" and continue anyway, oh well. Myself, I don't give a shit about ANY message from them, NONE, nada, zilch - until they come in a manner that doesn't leave so many Americans feeling insulted.

But correct, they have this "right", but one would think that if whatever issue it is they have in mind, that they would want to perhaps discuss it? Or maybe leave Americans discussing it. Apparently they don't want that to happen.

[jimnyc]

I mean looking at list of maimed and dead unarmed people is offensive.

As it is to the HIGHER percentage of whites that get shot, as the number of blacks has decreased. The folks that protest and riot over criminals is also offensive. How many shot in the past 3 years alone, that folks went nuts over - were actually criminals in the midst of crimes. The overwhelming majority of them - fact.

[jimnyc]

Btw, when I said stadium, I meant as in that's where they can stage the event - not an event where others show up. More like a setting for the television event. Do something similar to what Ali did. Or perhaps it is better to purposely offend people to 'try' and get a point across.

[Black Diamond]

Rev - how much discussion is going on about the issues? Or is the majority of discussion about arguing over the kneeling? That's correct, more about the kneeling. If they want to go this route, a route in which many get angry with them, and the majority ignore whatever message they want to send, that's cool with me. If you think a message HAS been sent by all of this thus far, you're sorely mistaken. All it's done is create conversation about the kneeling and the anthem.

If that was their intent, good for them. If they had a different message, perhaps they can find an avenue that doesn't leave many folks feeling disrespected. If they say "this is our right" and continue anyway, oh well. Myself, I don't give a shit about ANY message from them, NONE, nada, zilch - until they come in a manner that doesn't leave so many Americans feeling insulted.

But correct, they have this "right", but one would think that if whatever issue it is they have in mind, that they would want to perhaps discuss it? Or maybe leave Americans discussing it. Apparently they don't want that to happen.

It's their right to do it without being jailed. Owners right to do let them do it without being fined or fired. . Trumps right to say get the sonofabitch off the field and fire him. My right to boycott the games and companies who advertise on their networks

[aboutime]

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Why aren't the NFL, and NBA players STANDING with Cops?
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[Abbey Marie]

I believe that American blacks will never stop feeling angry and bitter over slavery. Never.

And this kind of disrespectful behavior just turns more and more sympathetic people off from their cause. Just looking at those two points is enough to make one throw up their hands. Or maybe just throw up. Promising state of affairs, ain't it?

The straw that broke this camel's back was when those Dallas cops were shot, and Obama did nothing at the White House to acknowledge and show sympathy. So this whole kneeling fiasco reminded me how this same NFL wouldn't let players publicly show their support for the police at that time.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It doesn't have to be "OK" with you.
It's part of the freedom that the people died FOR.
that's the part that many seem to IGNORE that are so upset.
the Right to Protest and free speech is IN the constitution, THAT'S what the soldiers swore to "protect and defend".
Standing or publicly honoring the FLAG or Anthem are NOT in the constitution. Those acts are ONLY symbols to honor... NOT ONLY the people who died... but WHAT THEY DIED FOR.

You don't have to LIKE or "be OK with" ANYONE's views. but we all have the right to speak, and the NFL players are simply using it.

that's GREAT. I get that. and respect it.
Others ...including some vets... have failed to stand in various forms of protest.
I get that to and respect it.

um... so why can't they do both?

And like a lot of protest, somethings are not really planned. I don't think the knelling was a long term PR plan.
But a response to the number people killed and harmed by police unjustly.

And why is it that no matter WHAT people do in protest, there are people that want them to "DO SOMETHING ELSE"? But it always sounds like, do it in a way that i can ignore or doesn't bother me?

one thing about the knelling at games is that it bring it up REGULARLY as aposed to a ONE off 60 minutes or big event.
but sure and How about a stadium filled with people discussing the problem overbearing policing and out of wack justice system.
I mean looking at list of maimed and dead unarmed people is offensive.

Well, sorry, but what I see in your post is the usual back peddling someone does when in full damage control mode.

This entire thing started out with kapperdick taking a knee because he thought spitting on the flag and national anthem had something to do with cops shooting blacks. He was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Then president Trump says what the vast majority of Americans were thinking and the anti Americanism and hate for Trump just exploded. They all decided to kneel, and not because suddenly a bunch more blacks were shot by cops, but simply because president Trump called them out. They got all BUTT HURT... and now that they KNOW the people hate their disrespect of our flag and national anthem, they're all in DAMAGE CONTROL MODE, just like you, twisting and spinning a message to distract away from the anti Americanism and hoping Americans will buy it.

Well... far as I see, for the majority, it ain't happenin'.

[Black Diamond]

Well, sorry, but what I see in your post is the usual back peddling someone does when in full damage control mode.

This entire thing started out with kapperdick taking a knee because he thought spitting on the flag and national anthem had something to do with cops shooting blacks. He was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Then president Trump says what the vast majority of Americans were thinking and the anti Americanism and hate for Trump just exploded. They all decided to kneel, and not because suddenly a bunch more blacks were shot by cops, but simply because president Trump called them out. They got all BUTT HURT... and now that they KNOW the people hate their disrespect of our flag and national anthem, they're all in DAMAGE CONTROL MODE, just like you, twisting and spinning a message to distract away from the anti Americanism and hoping Americans will buy it.

Well... ain't happenin'.

I heard he became that way after dating a Muslim girl from Egypt.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I heard he became that way after dating a Muslim girl from Egypt.

I heard something similar... well, muslims are also the left's pets.

[revelarts]

I believe that American blacks will never stop feeling angry and bitter over slavery. Never.

Is anyone knelling Over Slavery?... no.
so why is this being brought up?


And also i'm not sure when the Jews will stop feeling "bitter" about the holocaust. NEVER... AGAIN...
Or when native Americans will stop felling " bitter" over having 99% of their land stolen?
Or when the Chinese will stop being "bitter" over the Japanese.
Or when the American's will stop talking about the England's taxation without representation and other mistreatment.
That was over 200 years ago... it has NOTHING to do with today right? so why have the 4th of JULY then. It's Just BITTERNESS. we should just move on.

...And this kind of disrespectful behavior just turns more and more sympathetic people off from their cause. Just looking at those two points is enough to make one throw up their hands. Or maybe just throw up. Promising state of affairs, ain't it?

If people were more concerned about real fairness and human lives and not so much about their personal patriotic feelings, the "stature" of police or respect or disrespect of symbols THEN everyone would be better off.

As it is, it seems people would rather find an excuses NOT to care about any real injustice being done.

frankly Abbey, NO ONE here seems SYMPATHETIC AT ALL to the problem the horrific knelling was meant to bring light to.
And no matter what light or format it's been put it , the replies regularly come around to some form of "stop complaining" "you're all criminals... or look like one" "Police are great" "the problems not real" "America's great", "why do hate America".

[High_Plains_Drifter]

If people were more concerned about real fairness and human lives and not so much about their personal patriotic feelings, the "stature" of police or respect or disrespect of symbols THEN everyone would be better off.

So in your world, Americans need to put their love of America and patriotism behind them because that's a problem?

Are you for real?