Foreign Ministry responds to rumors of Kyiv's plans to build nuclear bomb

[revelarts]

Your choice, read what you choose. That's how it works.

I will, eventually.
Do you think Russia destroyed the Nord Stream Pipeline?

[Black Diamond]

I will, eventually.
Do you think Russia destroyed the Nord Stream Pipeline?

Well i don't think Russia blew that pipeline up either. But is there anything else in the article?

[Kathianne]

I will, eventually.
Do you think Russia destroyed the Nord Stream Pipeline?

I've heard the Ukrainians were accused, was it proven? I can't find anything but German accusations.

[SassyLady]

Russian aggression perhaps?

Sounds circular to me.

[revelarts]

I've heard the Ukrainians were accused, was it proven? I can't find anything but German accusations.

yep , I heard that Ukraine was accused as well. the rebut to that idea is that they didn't have the ships, tech or expertise to do what was done.

The only real option is the U.S..
Means & motive.
Plus it's a promise fulfilled that now we dont want to take credit for.

the president of the U.S. said
"We will End it"

Add to that that it just wasn't Biden. Other officials and neo-cons have talked about getting rid of that pipeline for a longtime.
(for freedom!)

Dept of state spokesmen Ned Price said "Nord Stream 2 will not move forward"
Dept of State Under Secretary Vitoria Nuland said "One way or another Nord Stream2 will not move forward
Mike Pompeo said "the U.S. will do everything to stop the Nord Stream 2 project."
Tom Cotton Repuplican Congressmen "If the president wishes to take the reins of international leadership, this is his opportunity. Kill Nord Stream2 now, and let it rust beneath the waves of the Baltic."
MArcy Kaptur Congresswoman "put an end to it"
Adam Kinzinger Congressmen "end it once and for all"
Ted Cruz "Use all the tools available"
Marsha Blackburn Congresswoman "stop nord strem 2"
Former U.S. Ukrainian ambassador "taking out Nord Stream 2 to forever"
Jake Sullivan U.S. National security advisor "we have made it clear to the Russians that that pipeline is at risk if they move further into Ukraine"
John Bolton "The U.S. must takes immediate steps to deter Russia from invading Ukraine including ... terminating the Nord Stream 2 pipeline"

]President Biden
“When it come to Nord Stream 2, a pipeline that will bring natural gas to Germany , It will not happen”

But somehow some people want to gaslight the public that other parties did it. "probably Russia"
Sweden did an investigation & closed it. Without saying who/what they think caused it.
Russia asked the U.N. to investigate it but the U.S. lead Security council refused to do it. AP

[Kathianne]

yep , I heard the Ukraine was accused as well. the rebut to that idea is that they didn't have the ships, tech or expertise to do what was done.

The only real option is the U.S..
Means & motive.
Plus it's a promise fulfilled that now we dont want to take credit for.

the president of the U.S. said
"We will End it"

Add to that that it just wasn't Biden. Other officials and neo-cons have talked about getting rid of that pipeline for a longtime.
(for freedom!)

Dept of state spokesmen Ned Price said "Nord Stream 2 will not move forward"
Dept of State Under Secretary Vitoria Nuland said "One way or another Nord Stream2 will not move forward
Mike Pompeo said "the U.S. will do everything to stop the Nord Stream 2 project."
Tom Cotton Repuplican Congressmen "If the president wishes to take the reins of international leadership, this is his opportunity. Kill Nord Stream2 now, and let it rust beneath the waves of the Baltic."
MArcy Kaptur Congresswoman "put an end to it"
Adam Kinzinger Congressmen "end it once and for all"
Ted Cruz "Use all the tools available"
Marsha Blackburn Congresswoman "stop nord strem 2"
Former U.S. Ukrainian ambassador "taking out Nord Stream 2 to forever"
Jake Sullivan U.S. National security advisor "we have made it clear to the Russians that that pipeline is at risk if they move further into Ukraine"
John Bolton "The U.S. must takes immediate steps to deter Russia from invading Ukraine including ... terminating the Nord Stream 2 pipeline"

]President Biden
“When it come to Nord Stream 2, a pipeline that will bring natural gas to Germany , It will not happen”

But somehow people want to believe other parties did it.
Sweden did an investigation & closed it. Without saying who/what they think caused it.
Russia asked the U.N. to investigate it but the U.S. lead Security council refused to do it. AP

and they have proof of that?

[revelarts]

and they have proof of that?

Proof that the security council refused to investigate?
"THEY"? the Sweds? have Proof that U.S. did it? they are the only ones I know of to have conducted an investigation.
Reporter Seymor Hirsh says he was told by insiders that it was a U.S. covert team Link

Proof of the quotes?
All the quotes are public record.

the evidence available, means & motive points to the U.S..

If a neighbor says over and over again "I'm going to kill your dog".
And the dog ends up dead of knife wounds, who's the prime suspect/ likely killer Kath?

[revelarts]

The Baker quote has been attributed to NATO troops in East Germany.

Record of Conversation between Mikhail Gorbachev and James Baker -declassified
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/1...sation-between

Baker:"...And the last point. NATO is the mechanism for securing the U.S. presence in Europe. If NATO is liquidated, there will be no such mechanism in Europe. We understand that not only for the Soviet Union but for other European countries as well it is important to have guarantees that if the United States keeps its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction."

[fj1200]

It's not MY eyes we have to be concerned about.
I'm not sure why we pretend we KNOW the Russians are LYING when they say they don't feel safe with NATO's (Benign) expansions.

I know that you'll pull out whatever quote you need to justify your position but the question remains...

When was the last time that NATO expanded by invasion?

Massed troops and materiel along borders? Took active steps to break Russia into 3 pieces?

BTW, how long has Brzynski been dead and/or out of a position of a position of influence?

[fj1200]

Sounds circular to me.

Of course. Do you think Finland and Sweden are in danger of invading Russia? Montenegro and North Macedonia are going to start making incursions? Anything is possible.

Record of Conversation between Mikhail Gorbachev and James Baker -declassified
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/1...sation-between

Baker:"...And the last point. NATO is the mechanism for securing the U.S. presence in Europe. If NATO is liquidated, there will be no such mechanism in Europe. We understand that not only for the Soviet Union but for other European countries as well it is important to have guarantees that if the United States keeps its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction."

I'm aware.

[SassyLady]

Of course. Do you think Finland and Sweden are in danger of invading Russia? Montenegro and North Macedonia are going to start making incursions? Anything is possible.



I'm aware.

Maybe not making incursions but allowing the U S to set up military bases?

[fj1200]

Maybe not making incursions but allowing the U S to set up military bases?

But but but but but but............................