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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    I don't know if you've noticed, but our current makeup of government has gone wildly off the rails lately. The goal is to cut the cancer out of the offending agencies, military and the bureacracy, and you don't go about that by using the swamp beasts currently residing there.

    Of course outsiders are the best choice. Casting around for another McCain or Romney is not going to fly. Renegades are being selected who are motivated to make a real meaningful change are how this is all playing out and has the best chance to work with this goal.
    You may be absolutely correct and I might be absolutely wrong but I still have questions but if all the internal options are merely "beasts" to be leery of then seems we're screwed either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    I don't know if you've noticed, but our current makeup of government has gone wildly off the rails lately. The goal is to cut the cancer out of the offending agencies, military and the bureacracy, and you don't go about that by using the swamp beasts currently residing there.

    Of course outsiders are the best choice. Casting around for another McCain or Romney is not going to fly. Renegades are being selected who are motivated to make a real meaningful change are how this is all playing out and has the best chance to work with this goal.

    Here I disagree, there are good people serving, that have for years. Just because Trump doesn't like them, doesn't mean they haven't done good or mean well too. Indeed, when looking at someone like Gaetz, you'd have to look far and wide to find some worse choice; even keeping Garland might well be better.


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    Jordan Peterson on Tulsi



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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    You may be absolutely correct and I might be absolutely wrong but I still have questions but if all the internal options are merely "beasts" to be leery of then seems we're screwed either way.
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    Here I disagree, there are good people serving, that have for years. Just because Trump doesn't like them, doesn't mean they haven't done good or mean well too. Indeed, when looking at someone like Gaetz, you'd have to look far and wide to find some worse choice; even keeping Garland might well be better.

    I should clarify that I'm speaking primarily about management. Of course there's good footsoldiers; it's the brass that's been corrupted.

    Frinstance! The entire 7th floor of the FBI. Sack every one of them - rumor has it that they're shitting bricks right now and planning their exodus. Ditto with CIA. Tulsi will figure that out and probably already has a pretty good idea of the bad actors.

    Most of them exposed themselves after Trump's 2020 loss and were absolutely convinced that he was finished, and a bit of gloating was had. Those news stories and video clips are being looked at heavily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrain View Post
    I should clarify that I'm speaking primarily about management. Of course there's good footsoldiers; it's the brass that's been corrupted.

    Frinstance! The entire 7th floor of the FBI. Sack every one of them - rumor has it that they're shitting bricks right now and planning their exodus. Ditto with CIA. Tulsi will figure that out and probably already has a pretty good idea of the bad actors.

    Most of them exposed themselves after Trump's 2020 loss and were absolutely convinced that he was finished, and a bit of gloating was had. Those news stories and video clips are being looked at heavily.

    OK, that I CAN agree with. I think the weaponization of the executive (police) branch began under Obama and has exploded under Biden. I admit I was surprised I didn't see any with Trump the first time, whether by choice or not understanding how? I sure hope he gets rid of the worst of them and doesn't add his own version.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    OK, that I CAN agree with. I think the weaponization of the executive (police) branch began under Obama and has exploded under Biden. I admit I was surprised I didn't see any with Trump the first time, whether by choice or not understanding how? I sure hope he gets rid of the worst of them and doesn't add his own version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    Here I disagree, there are good people serving, that have for years. Just because Trump doesn't like them, doesn't mean they haven't done good or mean well too. Indeed, when looking at someone like Gaetz, you'd have to look far and wide to find some worse choice; even keeping Garland might well be better.
    There's no doubt there are great people working in every agency & dept..
    The problem is knowing who they are. Especially when the upper management is controlled by many who clearly are NOT.
    Unless you're hiring former whistle blowers found to be honest in court. Which a lot of people would question as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathianne View Post
    OK, that I CAN agree with. I think the weaponization of the executive (police) branch began under Obama and has exploded under Biden. I admit I was surprised I didn't see any with Trump the first time, whether by choice or not understanding how? I sure hope he gets rid of the worst of them and doesn't add his own version.
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