What are the risks and benefits of each vaccine?

[Gunny]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6545890/


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34334253/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/

Oh, and BTW, vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells.

Pssst Still here. Winning

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Pssst Still here. Winning

I thought this was a thread about pros/cons, costs/benefits, ups/downs... Apparently it's another meme posting thread with questionable information presented from one side. :shrug:

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FYI
EXPERTS CONCEDE VACCINE SAFETY IS UNFUNDED AND INADEQUATE
New England Journal of medicine
"Del breaks down a recent article in the New England Journal of Medicine co-authored by Stanley Plotkin, the ‘godfather of vaccines,’ littered with admissions regarding the lack of safety studies related to vaccine safety. This monumental paper concedes many of the issues that The HighWire and the Informed Consent Action Network have been fighting for in court."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2402379

https://rumble.com/v576tyq-experts-c...1bxo9j&mrefc=9

[Kathianne]

Something to make some happy-That should show big pharma and the wonderful, caring parents.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/measl...th-5-months-go

Measles cases surge to triple last year's — with 5 months to goApproximately 85% of cases this year have been individuals without a Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) vaccination
By Timothy H.J. Nerozzi Fox News
Published July 27, 2024 10:17am EDT | Updated July 27, 2024 12:24pm EDT


Measles breaks out at massive NYC migrant shelter
The United States' rate of measles infections in 2024 is more than triple that of 2023, despite almost half the year still remaining.


There have been 188 reported cases of measles in the U.S. this year, according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated on Thursday.


It's a significant increase from last year, when only 58 cases were reported nationwide.




MEASLES BREAKS OUT AT MASSIVE NYC MIGRANT SHELTER


measles outbreak skin
Photo illustration shows the irritated skin of a patient afflicted with measles. The infection usually results in visible spots and a rash. (iStock)


Approximately 65% of this year's cases are associated with outbreaks, which the CDC defines as three or more related cases. There have been 13 outbreaks in the U.S. in 2024, compared to 4 outbreaks in 2023 that made up 48% of national cases.


About half of cases this year required hospitalization for the purposes of isolation or management of complications.


According to the CDC, 85% of infected individuals this year were "unvaccinated or unknown," while 10% had received one Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) vaccination and 5% had received two doses.




MMR vaccine
Photo shows a close-up of a measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine dose and the accompanying syringe. The vaccine is delivered in two doses. The first is administered for children 12 to 15 months old, followed by the second dose at 4 to 6 years old. (iStock)


Medical professionals say the risk of contracting measles is extremely low after getting vaccinated.


Measles is a highly contagious and serious airborne disease that can lead to severe complications and even death, especially in children. It is characterized by a fever as high as 105°F and malaise, cough, coryza and conjunctivitis followed by spots and a rash, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).




Despite the drastic increase in the rate of infection, it comes nowhere near 2019, when almost 1,300 cases of measles were reported across the United States in a single twelve-month period.

[revelarts]

How many people here had measles when they were a kid?
How many people knew other kids in the area that had measles when they were kids?
Personally I don't know of any who died. Or were gravely ill. I knew one girl who had scars on her skin long after (or maybe that was mumps).

But again if people want their children to be vaccinated, fine.
I'm not advocating anyone stop them.
I just don't think hey should be mandatory.



BTW measles does still happen when folks are vaccinated.
Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

But if folks don't like to include that fact into reality. And want to believe that vaccines generally DO prevent measles.
Then NO parent who vaccinates their child should WORRY. THEY are protected.
It's only the crazy unvaccinated people who will get sick, be isolated at home or hospital, eat ice cream and watch movies in bed for a week.

But look Kath,
For me I have no knowledge that the measles vaccine has any bad side effects, long or short term. I haven't looked into it. Have you?
But my point with all the vaccines (drugs in general) is, what are the MAJOR benefits compared to the risk.
Seem to me there's VERY low risk in measles.
Not "NO Risk" but low risk. It's a risk many of us has as kids AND we got vaccinated as well.
I'm sure some folks are aware of tragic cases but the reality is that that is NOT typical is it?


Also concerning your article, now that the unvaccinated children have had the measles, they are now immune for life.

[Kathianne]

How many people here had measles when they were a kid?
How many people knew other kids in the area that had measles when they were kids?
Personally I don't know of any who died. Or were gravely ill. I knew one girl who had scars on her skin long after (or maybe that was mumps).

But again if people want their children to be vaccinated, fine.
I'm not advocating anyone stop them.
I just don't think hey should be mandatory.


BTW measles does still happen when folks are vaccinated.
Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

But if folks don't like to include that fact into reality. And want to believe that vaccines generally DO prevent measles.
Then NO parent who vaccinates their child should WORRY. THEY are protected.
It's only the crazy unvaccinated people who will get sick, be isolated at home or hospital, eat ice cream and watch movies in bed for a week.

But look Kath,
For me I have no knowledge that the measles vaccine has any bad side effects, long or short term. I haven't looked into it. Have you?
But my point with all the vaccines (drugs in general) is, what are the MAJOR benefits compared to the risk.
Seem to me there's VERY low risk in measles.
Not "NO Risk" but low risk. It's a risk many of us has as kids AND we got vaccinated as well.
I'm sure some folks are aware of tragic cases but the reality is that that is NOT typical is it?


Also concerning your article, now that the unvaccinated children have had the measles, they are now immune for life.

Serious complications from measles are not as rare as one would think:

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/signs-symptoms/index.html

ComplicationsCommon complications from measles are:


Ear infections occur in about 1 out of every 10 children with measles.
Diarrhea is reported in less than 1 out of 10 people with measles.
Who is at risk
Measles can be serious in all age groups. However, there are several groups that are more likely to suffer from measles complications:


Children younger than 5 years of age
Adults older than 20 years of age
Pregnant people
People with weakened immune systems, such as from leukemia or HIV infection
Prevent measles & get vaccinated!‎
Talk to your health provider about the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.
Severe complications in children and adults
Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.


Hospitalization. About 1 in 5 unvaccinated people in the U.S. who get measles is hospitalized.
Pneumonia. As many as 1 out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
Encephalitis. About 1 child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain). This can lead to convulsions and leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.
Death. Nearly 1 to 3 of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles will die from respiratory and neurologic complications.
Complications during pregnancy. If you are pregnant and have not had the MMR vaccine, measles may cause birth prematurely, or have a low-birth-weight baby.
Long-term complications
Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) is a very rare, but fatal disease of the central nervous system. It results from a measles virus infection acquired earlier in life.


About SSPE
SSPE generally develops 7 to 10 years after a person has measles, even though the person seems to have fully recovered from the illness.
Since measles was eliminated in 2000, SSPE is rarely reported in the United States.
Among people who contracted measles during the resurgence in the United States in 1989 to 1991, 7 to 11 out of every 100,000 were estimated to be at risk for developing SSPE.
The risk of developing SSPE may be higher for a person who gets measles before they are 2 years of age.

Complications from MMR:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/va...r-vaccine.html

MMR Vaccine Side EffectsThe Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) vaccine is very safe, and it is effective at preventing measles, mumps, and rubella. Vaccines, like any medicine, can have side effects. Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it. Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps, or rubella.


Common Side Effects of MMR Vaccine
Sore arm from the shot
Fever
Mild rash
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women who did not already have immunity to the rubella component of the vaccine
MMR vaccine has been linked with a very small risk of febrile seizures (seizures or jerking caused by fever). Febrile seizures following MMR vaccination are rare and are not associated with any long-term effects. Because the risk of febrile seizures increases as infants get older, it is recommended that they get vaccinated as soon as recommended.


Some people may experience swelling in the cheeks or neck. MMR vaccine rarely causes a temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder that usually goes away without treatment and is not life threatening.


Extremely rarely, a person may have a serious allergic reaction to MMR vaccine. Anyone who has ever had a life-threatening allergic reaction to the antibiotic neomycin, or any other component of MMR vaccine, should not get the vaccine.

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