Torture and the Democrats

[red states rule]

This is what torture really is folks. Nothing has come forward the US does anything close to what our enemies do to their victims

Yet the left wants to paint the US as the bad guy in the war on terror


Torture and the Democrats
By Mona Charen


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Last May, according to The Smoking Gun website, U.S. troops unearthed an even more grisly site, an al Qaeda torture chamber in Baghdad itself. When they entered, the soldiers found an Iraqi man suspended from the ceiling by chains. The room contained torture implements including hammers, whips, meat cleavers and wire cutters as well as a crude torture manual, displaying various methods of inflicting unbearable pain. These included using a blowtorch on the skin, gouging out eyes, using an electric drill to cut through a hand, and many more.

It's useful to be reminded of what real torture looks like when the Democrats in Washington are working themselves into a characteristic froth about the CIA and the destroyed interrogation tapes. Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., declared that for "the past six years, the Bush administration has run roughshod over our ideals and the rule of law." It reminded him of nothing so much as the "18-and-a-half-minute gap on the tapes of Richard Nixon." Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., smells "obstruction of justice."

So now we will have an inquiry into whether the CIA has violated the law by destroying tapes it was under no obligation to make in the first place; concerning an interrogation technique that at the very worst (according to most reliable reports) involved making three notorious terrorists think, for a few seconds, that they were drowning.

I have severe doubts as to whether waterboarding constitutes torture. But I am certain that the unceasing attention it receives and the eagerness of many Democrats to indict the Bush administration has done more damage to America's image than anything the CIA has done. I say this for two reasons:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/torture_and_the_democrats.html

[bullypulpit]

This has been covered <a href=http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=172594&postcount=77>elsewhere</a>. Waterboarding is torture, and no amount of equivocation, spin, denial or other twisting of logic and reason will make it otherwise. For your edification, I'll post the link again, not that you'll actually read it, let alone follow it.

<center><a href=http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/waterboarding-is-torture-perio/>Waterboarding is Torture...Period</a></center>

So, you and Mona are good with our own troops being tortured at the hands of enemy forces should they be captured?

[red states rule]

This has been covered <a href=http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=172594&postcount=77>elsewhere</a>. Waterboarding is torture, and no amount of equivocation, spin, denial or other twisting of logic and reason will make it otherwise. For your edification, I'll post the link again, not that you'll actually read it, let alone follow it.

<center><a href=http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/waterboarding-is-torture-perio/>Waterboarding is Torture...Period</a></center>

So, you and Mona are good with our own troops being tortured at the hands of enemy forces should they be captured?

Botttom line is BP, we do not torture. I know it is in your soul to bash America, blame the troops, and lash out at Pres Bush on a daily basis - but we treat the terrorists very well

While you would rather coddle them - we want to break them and stop the attacks

[April15]

Principles are what guide the US. This nation has a long standing principle of no forced confessions. Now that that principle has been tossed aside what is the next principle you are going to throw out in the name of victory? How much like the devil do you wish to become? Or are you the devil now?

[red states rule]

Principles are what guide the US. This nation has a long standing principle of no forced confessions. Now that that principle has been tossed aside what is the next principle you are going to throw out in the name of victory? How much like the devil do you wish to become? Or are you the devil now?

So you would let the attacks happen rather then making the terrorist uncomfortable?

I can see the kook left foaming at the mouth if it came out we had a terrorist in custody - he had the info of the attack - and we did not use all methods to break him

[Gunny]

This has been covered <a href=http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=172594&postcount=77>elsewhere</a>. Waterboarding is torture, and no amount of equivocation, spin, denial or other twisting of logic and reason will make it otherwise. For your edification, I'll post the link again, not that you'll actually read it, let alone follow it.

<center><a href=http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/waterboarding-is-torture-perio/>Waterboarding is Torture...Period</a></center>

So, you and Mona are good with our own troops being tortured at the hands of enemy forces should they be captured?


You're right about one thing ... no amount of equivocation, spin, denial or other twisting of logic and reason will change the fact that waterboarding did not become an issue until a Republican administration said it was okay.

If you want a REAL definition of torture, try arguing with a left-wing extremist for YEARS using fact, logic and reason .. then read the responses.

[April15]

When nations have trials for war crimes and one of the listed crimes against humanity is water boarding I think it is perfectly clear that it is not acceptable behavior. It makes no difference who is the person causing the action as they are torturing. Those who sanction it are as guilty as those performing.

[Dilloduck]

When nations have trials for war crimes and one of the listed crimes against humanity is water boarding I think it is perfectly clear that it is not acceptable behavior. It makes no difference who is the person causing the action as they are torturing. Those who sanction it are as guilty as those performing.

and the horse they rode in on too---kill em all !!! :laugh2:

[actsnoblemartin]

do you honestly think al queda and other islamic terrorists feed our guys and gals milk and cookies? :laugh2:




This has been covered <a href=http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=172594&postcount=77>elsewhere</a>. Waterboarding is torture, and no amount of equivocation, spin, denial or other twisting of logic and reason will make it otherwise. For your edification, I'll post the link again, not that you'll actually read it, let alone follow it.

<center><a href=http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/waterboarding-is-torture-perio/>Waterboarding is Torture...Period</a></center>

So, you and Mona are good with our own troops being tortured at the hands of enemy forces should they be captured?

[actsnoblemartin]

with all due respect my friend, Principles dont win wars, and in history, many countires who lost wars, ceased to exist.

QUOTE=April15;173576]Principles are what guide the US. This nation has a long standing principle of no forced confessions. Now that that principle has been tossed aside what is the next principle you are going to throw out in the name of victory? How much like the devil do you wish to become? Or are you the devil now?[/QUOTE]

[red states rule]

do you honestly think al queda and other islamic terrorists feed our guys and gals milk and cookies? :laugh2:

No, but that is what libs would do

[red states rule]

with all due respect my friend, Principles dont win wars, and in history, many countires who lost wars, ceased to exist.

QUOTE=April15;173576]Principles are what guide the US. This nation has a long standing principle of no forced confessions. Now that that principle has been tossed aside what is the next principle you are going to throw out in the name of victory? How much like the devil do you wish to become? Or are you the devil now?[/QUOTE]

Libs actually believe they can fight and win a war fought PC style