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Yurt
12-03-2007, 06:21 PM
I had the luxery of sitting next to two train enthusiasts on Amtrak a summer ago. They were on their way to a train convention thingy in LA. At first I thought that these dudes were the biggest nerds I had ever seen/heard, however, after listening to them for a while, I thought they had good points, especially about high speed rails fixing congestion and possibly being better for the environment. In the end though, he told me he didn't think it would really take off in the US due to the cost. Europe and Japan rail are subsidized by the government and if the US rails were to succeed, the money necessary would substantial.

Super Trains: Plans to Fix U.S. Rail Could End Road & Sky Gridlock

With airports and highways more congested than ever, new steel-wheel and maglev lines that move millions in Europe and Japan have the potential to resurrect the age of American railroads.

Nestled between the seaside bluffs of Southern California’s Torrey Pines and the concrete arteries of Interstate 5 is the low-profile campus of General Atomics, home to the only magnetic levitation, or maglev, train in the United States. The company’s Electromagnetic Systems Division built the test track here three years ago, basing it in part on a design for a maglev rocket launch system developed by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

General Atomics’ director of maglev systems, Sam Gurol, has promised me a rare ride on this prototype train, which is not really a train at all, but rather a single, open chassis with no seats. The track looks a little like the guideway to the Walt Disney World monorail in miniature—just 400 ft. long and raised 2 ft. to 5 ft. off the ground.

As I climb aboard the chassis, a researcher waves enthusiastically from a nearby control room like a parent sending his child on a first roller coaster ride. Gurol stands next to me. “Hold on,” he warns, and directs me to a single bar at the front of the vehicle. There’s a subwaylike jolt, a quiet rumble, and we’re off.

That scenario won’t come to pass for years, but commercial high-speed train travel is no mere fantasy. In other countries, “steel-wheel” bullet trains have been in operation since the 1960s. Japan’s Shinkansen sails along the 645-mile route between Tokyo and Fukuoka at up to 186 mph. In France, the high-speed TGV tops out at 199 mph on the 480-mile run between Paris and Marseille, which takes 3 hours. Within the U.S., Amtrak’s seven-year-old Acela Express can reach speeds of up to 150 mph, although the tight curves and dangerous roadway crossings of the Northeast Corridor route curtail its average speed to 86 mph. Magnetic levitation, the technology floating the test train at General Atomics, has a smaller commercial footprint, but it has the most impressive capabilities in the world of superspeedy trains. A maglev train that began service four years ago in Shanghai runs 20 miles between Pudong International Airport and the city’s business district in just 8 minutes at speeds of up to 267 mph. And this past September, the city of Munich, Germany, announced plans to build a new maglev line that will cover the 25-mile route between Franz Joseph Strauss International Airport and downtown in 10 minutes

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typomaniac
12-03-2007, 07:17 PM
When I was living in Texas, I heard about some serious plans for the state to help build a high-speed rail system to link Austin, Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. What became of that?

stephanie
12-03-2007, 07:44 PM
I rode a train for the first time this summer from Springfield Ill, to Independence Mo..It cost 42 bucks..

There weren't very many people on it..
I found the ride very comfy and the scenery great..

It took 3hrs more on train then driving, but I didn't sweat it...I had a couple of good books and they served totties...:laugh2:

Little-Acorn
12-03-2007, 08:18 PM
In the end though, he told me he didn't think it would really take off in the US due to the cost. Europe and Japan rail are subsidized by the government and if the US rails were to succeed, the money necessary would substantial.

People make decisions all the time about whether they should spend their money on this, or that, or the other thing. Price plays a big factor, obviously, as well as necessity, convenience, etc.

Railroads are expensive, mostly because the railraod company must pay the entire cost of the roadbed, rails, etc., as well as the locomotives, cars, fuel etc. Bus and trucking companies don't have to pay up front for the road their trucks are on, mostly because YOU already paid for it thru property taxes, gas taxes etc. So they can charge cheaper rates. And the roads go a lot more places, like right to your front door, to where you work, and to most of the other places you want to go. Rails mostly don't.

Congestion, traffic jams, etc. are a pain. But that is more than made up for by the convenience of a personal vehicle that goes where you want. And that's even BEFORE you pay the bill, which would be higher for the less-convenient train than for using your car (including paying for it and fixing it).

Why don't trains get picked more often? Because thy don't give as much service for the dollar than you car does, repairs, fuel taxes, traffic jams and all.

What's the point of my post? Simply this: The people have already decided they'd rather use cars than trains. And it wasn't a casual decision - people are ALWAYS looking for ways to save money and/or get there quicker or better. When government tries to pretend the price of railroads is getting lower by quietly pumping in massive infusions of YOUR taxpayer dollars, they are simply going against what you have already decided.

In Italy before WWII, the people found the socialists who came into power, kept the trains running better. They forgot that the socialists did it by forcing people to pay massive amounts in taxes, to those railroads. Tax money the people WOULDN'T have spent on those railroads if they'd had their 'druthers, as the had before the socialists came in.

The free market is right far more often than any government (except govts that respect and encourage a free market, if you can find one on this planet). And the free market is right about railroads, too. They're too expensive, don't give as much service as other methods, and so should not be used for passenger travel. In ither words, they aren't worth the money... whether you pay it voluntarily through ticket purchases, or involuntarily through increased taxes.

Government should take the hint. But they probably never will, in our lifetimes.

Classact
12-03-2007, 09:15 PM
Americans don't like to ride trains unless they have to. They love the monorail at Disney World or on vacation they will take the Amtrak in the west to visit national parks.

The government subsidises Amtrak with billions of wasted dollars every year to fund union workers benefit plans.

I love trains and used them regularly between Fort Bragg, NC and NJ on long weekends. When I was reassigned to Germany all new troops were put on trains to their assignments because they were so accurate that you didn't need to speak German to ride them... just get off at 6:43 and there will be someone there to pick you up.

When I was stationed in Washington DC I lived in Alexandria and had to commute to the city by car... I could have taken the train to a station 400 yards from my office and did on some occasions but not routinely because of creature comforts... to ride the train you had to park in a very large lot in Alexandria and then either walk or wait for a ride to the station and the same on the way home... by train it took 25 minutes and by car it took sometimes over an hour but you didn't have to mess around with the parking lot of the train station nor walk in the weather to the station. If there were no traffic, like 2:00AM on Sunday night the travel time would be 15 minutes... It just sucks to drive ten minutes to a station... look for parking and then sweat or freeze as you wait for a ride to the station in each direction.

Trains would be great if they came by your house but are unwelcome near your house kind of like nuclear power plants are really cool as long as they aren't near your house. Everyone loves their car in America and will only switch to trains until gridlock ends and then they will return to drive even if it takes longer just for the comfort.