Judgment.........Sick of it!

[Trinity]

Judgment


Who are you to judge?

Why in this day and age does everyone think they have the right to judge someone else?

What makes you a perfect person and entitles you to judge other people?

People are judged for the way they look, the way they act, the things they say. Do you really know the whole story and the reasons behind why that person does the things they do? Or why they say the things they say? Or why they dress the way they dress? Maybe that’s just the way that person is.

When you look at someone why do you assume because they are thin that they must smoke crack, or they have AIDS? Maybe that’s just how they are built or maybe they don’t have any money to buy food.

Why do you assume that someone on welfare is milking the system? Maybe they are trying to better themselves and are at a point in there life that they need an extra helping hand to make ends meet and put food on the table for their kid’s.

Why do you assume because a woman dresses in very little that she is a whore? Maybe she lacked a male father figure in her life while growing up and that is the only way she knows to get the male attention she so desperately craves.

Why do you assume because someone is black that they must be a street thug or drug dealer? Maybe they actually have a really good job and they are very responsible.

Why do you assume because they are Hispanic they must be illegal? Maybe they came here legally and have all of the documents to prove it and they just want the opportunity to better their life.

Why do you assume that someone who is on disability is faking it and there is nothing wrong with that person they are just lazy? Have you ever seen their medical records? Maybe they really are unable to work; maybe they have a family that depends on them so they need it to survive.

Why then does everyone seem to think that they have the right to judge other people in how they live?

I see it everyday. I hear people talking about other people. I read things written online about other people. I see it in the looks on people’s faces when they have never met that person. No one is perfect and everyone at some point in time has made bad choices in their lives, or they have had a run of bad luck. Life happens.

My guess on why people judge each other, inadequacies and jealousy. People judge others because they are jealous of what that person has or does or maybe they have feelings of inadequacies so that judging others makes them feel better about themselves.

I have noticed more so here recently how judgmental people are. It really makes me sick to know that there are so many people in this world that think they are perfect so that they have the right to judge other people.


Maybe people should step back and look at the big picture; put yourselves in that person’s shoes before passing judgment! Oh but wait here’s a better idea how about not passing judgment at all.

Here is one of my favorite quotes:
Who are you to judge the life I live?
I know I’m not perfect – and I don’t live to be.
But before you start pointing fingers make sure your hands are clean!

[darin]

just as an aside:

Being imperfect does not mean one's judgement is flawed - imperfect folk judge all the time - people MUST judge. I judge my kids' actions and attitude. I judge my speed. A judge judges my speeding/

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. I think everyone has to learn how to judge.
2. Judgment is a thing necessary to function in whatever endeavor you are doing.
3. Fine tuning Judgement is important.
4. Have a measure of fairness is required to be able to judge without having malice towards those whom you judge.
5. Everyone must judge, but in judging you have to base it on facts, that have truth as a bases, otherwise, your just slandering peoples.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Hobbit]

Sounds like a rant from an angsty teenager who's sick of being told he can't have lobe plugs.

Look, some things are wrong, and some things are stupid. I don't want to hear about all of this 'You're judging me!' bullcrap every time your precious self-esteem is damaged. Sometimes, you need to be told to what's what. That's how you learn.

[Trinity]

Sorry bout that,


5. Everyone must judge, but in judging you have to base it on facts, that have truth as a bases, otherwise, your just slandering peoples.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


and that right there was the whole point!

[Hagbard Celine]

I'll tell you exactly why we judge those we don't know. It's because of the Monkeysphere. Read it. Live it.
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html

[Trinity]

Sounds like a rant from an angsty teenager who's sick of being told he can't have lobe plugs.

Look, some things are wrong, and some things are stupid. I don't want to hear about all of this 'You're judging me!' bullcrap every time your precious self-esteem is damaged. Sometimes, you need to be told to what's what. That's how you learn.

This angry teen happens to be 37 years old. I don't recall specifically stating that I was being judged by anyone. I was only stating what I see. No wonder this world is so screwed up people making assumptions with out knowing all of the facts just as you just did. You assumed that I was an angry teen who was mad at the world. :poke:

[Immanuel]

This angry teen happens to be 37 years old. I don't recall specifically stating that I was being judged by anyone. I was only stating what I see. No wonder this world is so screwed up people making assumptions with out knowing all of the facts just as you just did. You assumed that I was an angry teen who was mad at the world. :poke:

And he judged you too! :D

Immie

[Trinity]

And he judged you too! :D

Immie

Yeah he did! :laugh2:

[darin]

You assumed that I was an angry teen who was mad at the world. :poke:

No he didn't. He wrote "what you posted SOUNDS LIKE". You're judging HIS motivation; and frankly, your judgment is'nt supported, IMO, by what Hobbit wrote.

:)

[Trinity]

No he didn't. He wrote "what you posted SOUNDS LIKE". You're judging HIS motivation; and frankly, your judgment is'nt supported, IMO, by what Hobbit wrote.

:)

so would it be a better assumption to assume he thought my precious self esteem was damaged?



Sounds like a rant from an angsty teenager who's sick of being told he can't have lobe plugs.

Look, some things are wrong, and some things are stupid. I don't want to hear about all of this 'You're judging me!' bullcrap every time your precious self-esteem is damaged. Sometimes, you need to be told to what's what. That's how you learn.

[darin]

so would it be a better assumption to assume he thought my precious self esteem was damaged?

If you want to take what he wrote personally - sure.

I believe his comments were a generic 'you' - I believe, reading his post in context, he made a specific comment about the OP - then moved to general comments about people and their precious self-esteem - including yours.

'Course...only he knows for sure. But I think I'm fairly right.

:)

[Trinity]

If you want to take what he wrote personally - sure.

I believe his comments were a generic 'you' - I believe, reading his post in context, he made a specific comment about the OP - then moved to general comments about people and their precious self-esteem - including yours.

'Course...only he knows for sure. But I think I'm fairly right.

:)

anyway this thread wasn't about making assumptions it was about judging people for how they look, things they say, or do.

I don't pass judgment on people for things that they say. I know very little about most people on this bored. do I pass judgment on them because I don't like what they have to say? No. Do I pass judgment on them because I like what they say? No. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't know their reasons for thinking the way they do,

Everyone has a different story to tell, every story is different and plays a big role in people's lives. It is not my job to judge anyone for how they are, who they are, how they dress, etc. etc.


Sorry if that sounded a little judgmental. :laugh2:

[JohnDoe]

Judgment


Who are you to judge?

Why in this day and age does everyone think they have the right to judge someone else?

What makes you a perfect person and entitles you to judge other people?

People are judged for the way they look, the way they act, the things they say. Do you really know the whole story and the reasons behind why that person does the things they do? Or why they say the things they say? Or why they dress the way they dress? Maybe that’s just the way that person is.

When you look at someone why do you assume because they are thin that they must smoke crack, or they have AIDS? Maybe that’s just how they are built or maybe they don’t have any money to buy food.

Why do you assume that someone on welfare is milking the system? Maybe they are trying to better themselves and are at a point in there life that they need an extra helping hand to make ends meet and put food on the table for their kid’s.

Why do you assume because a woman dresses in very little that she is a whore? Maybe she lacked a male father figure in her life while growing up and that is the only way she knows to get the male attention she so desperately craves.

Why do you assume because someone is black that they must be a street thug or drug dealer? Maybe they actually have a really good job and they are very responsible.

Why do you assume because they are Hispanic they must be illegal? Maybe they came here legally and have all of the documents to prove it and they just want the opportunity to better their life.

Why do you assume that someone who is on disability is faking it and there is nothing wrong with that person they are just lazy? Have you ever seen their medical records? Maybe they really are unable to work; maybe they have a family that depends on them so they need it to survive.

Why then does everyone seem to think that they have the right to judge other people in how they live?

I see it everyday. I hear people talking about other people. I read things written online about other people. I see it in the looks on people’s faces when they have never met that person. No one is perfect and everyone at some point in time has made bad choices in their lives, or they have had a run of bad luck. Life happens.

My guess on why people judge each other, inadequacies and jealousy. People judge others because they are jealous of what that person has or does or maybe they have feelings of inadequacies so that judging others makes them feel better about themselves.

I have noticed more so here recently how judgmental people are. It really makes me sick to know that there are so many people in this world that think they are perfect so that they have the right to judge other people.


Maybe people should step back and look at the big picture; put yourselves in that person’s shoes before passing judgment! Oh but wait here’s a better idea how about not passing judgment at all.

Here is one of my favorite quotes:
Who are you to judge the life I live?
I know I’m not perfect – and I don’t live to be.
But before you start pointing fingers make sure your hands are clean!

:clap::clap::clap:

I could have writen this post myself....

I think people judge people unfairly, without the full story or without the truth, perhaps because they want to make themselves feel better somehow.

Putting oneself in the other persons shoes, is a certain way to not judge unfairly and I try to do this, to the best of my ability, all of the time. I do this, because of religious reasons of sorts, but others may have their own reasons.

Being able to have Empathy, is necessary to judge fairly.

LIFE, and what comes with it, is filled with ups and DOWNS, and through time, it becomes easier to judge fairly imo.

I say this, because, over time, we learn from our mistakes of misjudging people.

For example: I know a girl who is a drug addict, alcoholic and a prostitute. When I first met her, I prejudged and thought to myself that she was just a loser. Then in time, I found out that between the ages of 5-9, she was repeatedly raped by her older half brother. She later, at 15, had a child, married the father, who then ended up in jail, never to be seen again, even when he was released from prison. She became a drug addict shortly after that and then hit the streets walking, but was AT LEAST smart enough to leave her child with her parents who ended up raising him in to a fine young man.

When I heard this part of her life, I was ashamed of myself, even wept, when asking God to please forgive me, for what I had done.
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Another example:

My husband was in the mall, had a bundle of packages that he was carrying and needed to get by this one woman, that was in the way of where he had to go. He kept saying to her, "excuse me, I need to get by you" and she did not respond, which was making him mad, and prejudge her as a complete arrogant and rude rearend, because she was completely ignoring him. So Matt ended up turning around and walking out of the aisle he was in, over to the next aisle and back in to the aisle that this woman was blocking only now on the otherside of her.

Then as he was walking up the aisle towards the area the woman was still in, he saw another woman had joined her. Then, he saw this woman speak to the other woman, using SIGN LANGUAGE.

He then realized that she did not move when he kept saying "Excuse me...", because she was Deaf, and could not hear him.

It made him sick, that he had prejudged her as an asshole...he just kept telling me that for days...he couldn't knock it.
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I have been through a hundred situations just like these 2 over the last couple of decades, that has made me almost overly Empathetic and sympathetic towards others before letting myself go down the road of piousness, or being holier than thou, and judging without knowing the true facts.

jd

[darin]

Sorry if that sounded a little judgmental. :laugh2:


lol :)

:D

Thing is, we ALL make judgments, all the time. I judge people dressed in white robes and hoods to be racists - I run from them. Maybe they're dressed up like a ghost for a halloween party? I dunno - a brother like me doesn't stick around to find out.

The things you're arguing against, in the op, DO sound like the whining and rantings of a Teen, frustrated because they're forced to follow rules.

Judging another's actions or appearance is essential to survival.

[Hobbit]

Maybe I spoke too rashly, but this is the exact same kind of stuff I hear every time somebody is told they're doing wrong. It's not, "No, I'm not doing wrong," it's always, "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THAT YOU CAN JUDGE ME!!!!!!!!" People are going to judge you whether you like it or not, and you have to learn live with it.

If people think you're skinny because you're smoking crack, maybe you should try to clean up your appearance. I've never assumed anybody was skinny from crack unless they looked both nasty and crazy. Dirty could just mean you're poor and work a thankless job. Crazy could be crazy. Both usually points to a druggie or an asylum escapee.

If people think you're in a gang, stop wearing your pants around your ankles and take off 145 of those 150 pieces of 'bling' you're wearing.

If people assume you're milking welfare, genuinely, earnestly look for a job and make sure people see you do it. Remember, perception is reality.

If people think you're illegal, learn English. I have never assumed anybody to be illegal if they had at least basic proficiency in English.

If people think you're faking disability, but you're not, well, that's not something you can really help. If you try to find a job you can still perform and still stay active to the extent of your physical abilities, then that should settle the issue.

Judgment is what keeps people honest and clean. Without having your actions judged, you may do wrong without ever being told.

[dan]

Trinity & JD, I agree with you guys in theory, but life is simply too short to stop and gather all the information you possibly can about somebody before you make a judgement. If I'm walking down the street, and I see a crowd of "thug"-looking people coming my way (and, no, I'm not using "thug" as a euphemism for black here), I'm not going to stop and interview each one before I make a judgement, I'm going to cross to the other side of the street.

[darin]

I think people judge people unfairly,

...and I think you call everything you don't agree with an "unfair judgment". :)

Look - it's COMPLETELY beside the point if somebody imperfect judges another - even for the same sin. It's absolutely TRUE and CORRECT to warn against porn-worshippers, even IF i liked watchin' the bouncin' bewbies myself. The fact I might be afflicted has nothing to do with the truth that Porn can destroy folk, inside.

See what I mean?

[hjmick]

The act of judging people without knowing anything about them is a simple fact of life. It is a tool we all use to help us decide with whom we will associate. It helps us decide whether or not we will strike up a conversation with someone. By judging their appearance we will decide whether or not to approach someone and interact with them.

The truth of the matter is this, first impressions matter. They always have and they always will. None of us have the time, and most of us lack the inclination, to find out everything we need to know about a person so as to avoid making a judgement based on what we see and hear the first time we encounter a person. There are too many people out there and life is too short.

Like it or not, this is life. What we say, what we write, how we look, they all matter. These are the things that people see first, these are the things that help others decide whether or not they want to take the time to get to know us.

[dan]

If people think you're skinny because you're smoking crack, maybe you should try to clean up your appearance. I've never assumed anybody was skinny from crack unless they looked both nasty and crazy. Dirty could just mean you're poor and work a thankless job. Crazy could be crazy. Both usually points to a druggie or an asylum escapee.

I agree with this, and I know it's a bit OT, but anybody who can't tell the difference between a skinny person and a crackhead is probably pretty dopey themselves.


If people assume you're milking welfare, genuinely, earnestly look for a job and make sure people see you do it. Remember, perception is reality.

Or just stop worrying about what people think.

[Immanuel]

The things you're arguing against, in the op, DO sound like the whining and rantings of a Teen, frustrated because they're forced to follow rules.



I didn't feel this way at all. I read the OP as if it was simply a statement of how people unfairly judge other people. I didn't see any rant in it at all. It appeared to me as she was simply saying that we should all be careful how and why we judge other people.

Immie

[darin]

I didn't feel this way at all. I read the OP as if it was simply a statement of how people unfairly judge other people. I didn't see any rant in it at all. It appeared to me as she was simply saying that we should all be careful how and why we judge other people.

Immie

But do you get that judgments ALWAYS seem unfair to the person getting the negative judgment?

"Just because I wear women's clothes, make-up, and hold hands with other boys doesn't mean I am gay! How DARE you judge me!!"

Judgments aren't about fair - they are about right and wrong. If I judge Hagbard as a flaming homo, and I'm wrong, so what? Who cares? Poor, POOR Hagbard-the-guy-somebody-thought-was-a-homo!

If I'm am unfairly judged by society or others, I can do one of two things:

1) Work hard to make sure I'm perceived the way I want to be perceived.
2) Quit work, go to engineering school. Learn to build a bridge, so I can get over it.

[edit]
This just hit me:

Taking this line as an example:



Why do you assume because a woman dresses in very little that she is a whore?

If a woman dresses slutty - we all have standards of what's slutty or not - but dresses painfully-obviously slutty, It's FAIR to judge her to be a slut. It might be WRONG, but based on the available information, it's FAIR. Absolutely.

What the OP is talking about isn't fairness - it's judging correctly or incorrectly. People only have a limited amount of evidence/data to support a judgment. Judgments often change as more data comes in. Doesn't mean the initial judgment was unethical/immoral/mean/whatever.

I used to judge OCA. I thought he was just an Asshole. Then I go to know him, and met him. I changed. I like him. :)

[Trinity]

I didn't feel this way at all. I read the OP as if it was simply a statement of how people unfairly judge other people. I didn't see any rant in it at all. It appeared to me as she was simply saying that we should all be careful how and why we judge other people.

Immie

That's how it was written...to make people stop and think about why am I judging this person...what do I really know about this person to make a judgment.

here is an example....... someone I know made a comment about a friend of mine that they had never met before and knew absolutely nothing about but saw a photo of this girl..... The comment was "she should get off the crack pipe and go eat some food".

The girl that was being commented on does not and has never done drugs in her entire life, yes she is very skinny and so is her mother, however she has also just turned 18. Now why did this person assume she was smoking crack probably because she had 2 black eyes in the photo from a cage fight she had entered 2 nights previously.

See what I mean Judgment was passed with no known information what so ever.

[JohnDoe]

Trinity & JD, I agree with you guys in theory, but life is simply too short to stop and gather all the information you possibly can about somebody before you make a judgement. If I'm walking down the street, and I see a crowd of "thug"-looking people coming my way (and, no, I'm not using "thug" as a euphemism for black here), I'm not going to stop and interview each one before I make a judgement, I'm going to cross to the other side of the street.
Dan,
There is absolutely nothing wrong in using your intutition, or judgement of the situation surrounding you, and YES most certainly, we do this every day.

WHAT IS WRONG, is "voicing" that prejudged negative opinion about another person that is a drug addict, or homeless, or a prostitute, or poor and PRESUMING all of your negative thoughts are TRUE and saying them out loud.... as if you know all the facts of why they are losers with a big L.

That is merely "gossip" and is done in Malice, and if you are religious in any way, is not permitted....or in simple terms, is a "no, no".

This is what I believe that Trinity is speaking about....not about what decisions you make in avoiding some kind of conflict that you can foresee.

jd

[Trinity]

Dan,
There is absolutely nothing wrong in using your intutition, or judgement of the situation surrounding you, and YES most certainly, we do this every day.

WHAT IS WRONG, is "voicing" that prejudged negative opinion about another person that is a drug addict, or homeless, or a prostitute, or poor and PRESUMING all of your negative thoughts are TRUE and saying them out loud.... as if you know all the facts of why they are losers with a big L.

That is merely "gossip" and is done in Malice, and if you are religious in any way, is not permitted....or in simple terms, is a "no, no".

This is what I believe that Trinity is speaking about....not about what decisions you make in avoiding some kind of conflict that you can foresee.

jd

:clap::clap: exactly!

[Abbey Marie]

It seems to me that as a society we now perhaps suffer from too little judgment, not too much. What once was appropriately shameful behavior is now often touted as a source of pride.

Rightly or wrongly, we humans often do behave better and achieve more, when we care about what others think, and about the consequences of our behavior. Today, however, you can hear "Who are you to judge me?!" coming out of the mouths of all sort of miscreants on TV, in schools, just about everywhere. And the audience nods away, as though some universal and ageless truth was just bestowed upon us all.

[Hagbard Celine]

I sense that no one has yet read about the Monkey Sphere (http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html). I assure you it will answer all your questions. :poke:

[Trinity]

...and I think you call everything you don't agree with an "unfair judgment". :)

Look - it's COMPLETELY beside the point if somebody imperfect judges another - even for the same sin. It's absolutely TRUE and CORRECT to warn against porn-worshippers, even IF i liked watchin' the bouncin' bewbies myself. The fact I might be afflicted has nothing to do with the truth that Porn can destroy folk, inside.

See what I mean?

You like watching bouncin bewbies???? I'm Shocked! so do I get to judge you as a perv now? :poke::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Abbey Marie]

Dan,
There is absolutely nothing wrong in using your intutition, or judgement of the situation surrounding you, and YES most certainly, we do this every day.

WHAT IS WRONG, is "voicing" that prejudged negative opinion about another person that is a drug addict, or homeless, or a prostitute, or poor and PRESUMING all of your negative thoughts are TRUE and saying them out loud.... as if you know all the facts of why they are losers with a big L.

That is merely "gossip" and is done in Malice, and if you are religious in any way, is not permitted....or in simple terms, is a "no, no".

This is what I believe that Trinity is speaking about....not about what decisions you make in avoiding some kind of conflict that you can foresee.

jd


Thank goodness we have JD to once again tell us all what REAL Christianity is. :rolleyes: Seriously, do you ever tire of telling us all the Gospel according to JD?

[darin]

Thank goodness we have JD to once again tell us all what REAL Christianity is. :rolleyes: Seriously, do you ever tire of telling us all the Gospel according to JD?

Absolutely, 100% SPOT-ON, Abbey.

[darin]

You like watching bouncin bewbies???? I'm Shocked! so do I get to judge you as a perv now? :poke::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

You like watching boobies, too. Admit it. Everyone does.



Somewhere I heard - Ain't NOBODY don't like a big-breasted woman.

[Abbey Marie]

You like watching boobies, too. Admit it. Everyone does.



Somewhere I heard - Ain't NOBODY don't like a big-breasted woman.

D, stop judging Trinity! Maybe she doesn't like watching boobies.

[glockmail]

Judgement is good for society. So is greed.

[dan]

Dan,
There is absolutely nothing wrong in using your intutition, or judgement of the situation surrounding you, and YES most certainly, we do this every day.

WHAT IS WRONG, is "voicing" that prejudged negative opinion about another person that is a drug addict, or homeless, or a prostitute, or poor and PRESUMING all of your negative thoughts are TRUE and saying them out loud.... as if you know all the facts of why they are losers with a big L.

That is merely "gossip" and is done in Malice, and if you are religious in any way, is not permitted....or in simple terms, is a "no, no".

This is what I believe that Trinity is speaking about....not about what decisions you make in avoiding some kind of conflict that you can foresee.

jd
I agree with these two points very strongly. We all have our prejudices, but there's a difference between thinking something and saying something or acting upon it.

[dan]

Thank goodness we have JD to once again tell us all what REAL Christianity is. :rolleyes: Seriously, do you ever tire of telling us all the Gospel according to JD?

Isn't it expressly written in the Bible that true Christians should share their beliefs with everyone? The Bible has about as many interpretations as any book ever written, why should JD not share her personal beliefs? Because they don't match up with what the majority of Christians think?

Just wonderin'.

[dan]

Rightly or wrongly, we humans often do behave better and achieve more, when we care about what others think, and about the consequences of our behavior.

Not trying to pick on you, Abbey, but I couldn't disagree more with this statement. Those who have advanced society most have been those who disregard what others thought of them and carried on according to their own beliefs.

[dan]

Now why did this person assume she was smoking crack probably because she had 2 black eyes in the photo from a cage fight she had entered 2 nights previously.


If she was cage fighting, I couldn't imagine she was THAT skinny.

Incidentally, chickfight.... HOTTTT!!!!!

[JohnDoe]

It seems to me that as a society we now perhaps suffer from too little judgment, not too much. What once was appropriately shameful behavior is now often touted as a source of pride.

Rightly or wrongly, we humans often do behave better and achieve more, when we care about what others think, and about the consequences of our beahvior. Today, however, you can hear "Who are you to judge me?!" coming out of the mouths of all sort of miscreants on TV, in schools, just about everywhere. And the audience nods away, as though some universal and ageless truth was just bestowed upon us all.


Abbey, Did Trinity give any example at all, of the judgement that meets the criteria of your post? I did not see any???

Unless one does take the plank out of their own eye, they will not be able to take the spec of sawdust out of anothers. This does not mean that we should not voice what is right or wrong, or it would be called judging....this just means that before we go off and point out the sins of others, we should examine our own failures and make sure we have our heads on straight so to say, BEFORE we go and nail someone else for their misdeeds.... imo?

And I don't believe that Trinity is disgussing the situations that you are speaking about, in voicing what is wrong, a misdeed, or a sinful nature....but in prejudging another person in a negative manner as if you KNOW why they are losers.....or why they are "just Losers with a big L", like what people do when they generalize ABOUT the Poor or a prostitute or drug addict or a homosexual etc. without even considering the situations and circumstances that got them there....

Similar to people saying that those that are poor are just "lazy losers"....including all of the poor as if they are just one person.

I think what you were commenting on is a behavior that is wrong, but not the type of situations that Trinity spoke about which was prejudging a persons character and doing so out loud, in public, as if you KNOW all of the facts.

jd

[Abbey Marie]

Isn't it expressly written in the Bible that true Christians should share their beliefs with everyone? The Bible has about as many interpretations as any book ever written, why should JD not share her personal beliefs? Because they don't match up with what the majority of Christians think?

Just wonderin'.

Well, one could say that JD is trying to stifle others' beliefs, Dan, even right here in this thread. But the comment was really out of the frustration of reading thread after thread for months where she tells us all exactly what Christians should and should not do, complete with admonitions that we who disagree with her eminent wisdom are setting a terrible example of Christianity. Can you get more judgmental than that?

We are also continually told exactly what each Bible passage means, and how it proves we are wrong. Complete with bolded letters, ALL CAPS, and !!exclamation points!! to prove how 100% correct she is. Perhaps you do not read all of these posts...

I also found it ironic that soemone who does that continually would tell us all to keep our own judgments silent. :shrug:

Well, you asked. :) ;)

[darin]

Unless one does take the plank out of their own eye, they will not be able to take the spec of sawdust out of anothers.

What if I only have a speck in mine, too? It's immature to assume one must possess TOTAL PURITY before they call a spade a spade.


This does not mean that we should not voice what is right or wrong, or it would be called judging....this just means that before we go off and point out the sins of others, we should examine our own failures and make sure we have our heads on straight so to say, BEFORE we go and nail someone else for their misdeeds.... imo?

Right - And after I determine I like boobies, I still am right to say 'Porn can destroy a life!"

What you're doing is making EXCUSES for problems in others' lives - you're arguing BESIDE the point. It's a logical fallacy. You know that, don't you? If you didn't know that, you know it now. Will it change your thinking? I doubt it.


they are "just Losers with a big L", like what people do when they generalize ABOUT the Poor or a prostitute or drug addict or a homosexual etc. without even considering the situations and circumstances that got them there....

Their circumstances are ultimately irrelevant to their behavior, or their condition. If a woman becomes a prostitute to feed her kids, she's still WRONG. She's sinning and doing wrong. The sincerity of her need to feed her kids is NOT an excuse for her career of choice. It's sad -certainly. It's still her CHOICE. Sincerity has NEVER turned a falsehood into a truth. Likewise, it's never justified a sin. If you believe otherwise, you have a misguided view of Christianity, and likely do not know Christ.



Similar to people saying that those that are poor are just "lazy losers"....including all of the poor as if they are just one person.


But it's TRUE. People who are poor are poor in the VAST MAJORITY OF CASES, poor because of their lack of effort. Poor folk who put effort into fixing things typically don't stay poor very long.

[Trinity]

You like watching boobies, too. Admit it. Everyone does.



Somewhere I heard - Ain't NOBODY don't like a big-breasted woman.

:laugh2:

No can't say that I do, but my husband does!:laugh2:

[Trinity]

D, stop judging Trinity! Maybe she doesn't like watching boobies.

:laugh2: Thanks Abbey! I don't.

[Abbey Marie]

Abbey, Did Trinity give any example at all, of the judgement that meets the criteria of your post? I did not see any???

Unless one does take the plank out of their own eye, they will not be able to take the spec of sawdust out of anothers. This does not mean that we should not voice what is right or wrong, or it would be called judging....this just means that before we go off and point out the sins of others, we should examine our own failures and make sure we have our heads on straight so to say, BEFORE we go and nail someone else for their misdeeds.... imo?

And I don't believe that Trinity is disgussing the situations that you are speaking about, in voicing what is wrong, a misdeed, or a sinful nature....but in prejudging another person in a negative manner as if you KNOW why they are losers.....or why they are "just Losers with a big L", like what people do when they generalize ABOUT the Poor or a prostitute or drug addict or a homosexual etc. without even considering the situations and circumstances that got them there....

Similar to people saying that those that are poor are just "lazy losers"....including all of the poor as if they are just one person.

I think what you were commenting on is a behavior that is wrong, but not the type of situations that Trinity spoke about which was prejudging a persons character and doing so out loud, in public, as if you KNOW all of the facts.

jd


Actually, JD, the thread evolved into the differences between judging silently and judging vocally. If you read the OP, it talks all about making assumptions about people, not about stating those assumptions out loud.

[JohnDoe]

Isn't it expressly written in the Bible that true Christians should share their beliefs with everyone? The Bible has about as many interpretations as any book ever written, why should JD not share her personal beliefs? Because they don't match up with what the majority of Christians think?

Just wonderin'.I would like to know the answer to that question also.

I did not think that I mentioned that in any kind of rude manner, or condemnation of anyone in particular, or even to include all....?

Just that gossip is a no, no :), IF one is religious, and as a Judeo/Christian religious person, it is a no, no for me. Does this mean that I don't fail at it sometimes, certainly not!!!!

jd

[darin]

:laugh2: Thanks Abbey! I don't.

Oh C'mon now...you're safe here...you can admit it.

:D

It's NORMAL. :D


I would like to know the answer to that question also.

I did not think that I mentioned that in any kind of rude manner, or condemnation of anyone in particular, or even to include all....?

Just that gossip is a no, no :), IF one is religious, and as a Judeo/Christian religious person, it is a no, no for me. Does this mean that I don't fail at it sometimes, certainly not!!!!

jd


Then by your statement here:


Unless one does take the plank out of their own eye, they will not be able to take the spec of sawdust out of anothers.

You are in NO place to tell anyone else what to judge or not, right? ;)

:D

[Trinity]

If she was cage fighting, I couldn't imagine she was THAT skinny.

Incidentally, chickfight.... HOTTTT!!!!!

here is the pic that was commented on......

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o310/kami1970/PA050048.jpg

[Abbey Marie]

Oh C'mon now...you're safe here...you can admit it.

:D
...


Most ironic thing ever written here! :laugh2:

[JohnDoe]

Actually, JD, the thread evolved into the differences between judging silently and judging vocally. If you read the OP, it talks all about making assumptions about people, not about stating those assumptions out loud.


No Abbey, me thinks you need to reread her thread, specifically this part:

I see it everyday. I hear people talking about other people. I read things written online about other people. I see it in the looks on people’s faces when they have never met that person. No one is perfect and everyone at some point in time has made bad choices in their lives, or they have had a run of bad luck. Life happens.

it most certainly discussed stating those "assumptions" out loud.

jd

[dan]

Well, one could say that JD is trying to stifle others' beliefs, Dan, even right here in this thread. But the comment was really out of the frustration of reading thread after thread for months where she tells us all exactly what Christians should and should not do, complete with admonitions that we who disagree with her eminent wisdom are setting a terrible example of Christianity. Can you get more judgmental than that?

We are also continually told exactly what each Bible passage means, and how it proves we are wrong. Complete with bolded letters, ALL CAPS, and !!exclamation points!! to prove how 100% correct she is. Perhaps you do not read all of these posts...

I also found it ironic that soemone who does that continually would tell us all to keep our own judgments silent. :shrug:

Well, you asked. :) ;)
I did indeed! :)

That said, I think the way you guys feel about JD is the same way a lot of us non-Christians feel about many of the Christians on this board: the feeling of being talked down to, being told your beliefs aren't right because they don't match mine.

For the record, "you" is not directed toward you Abbey, I'm making a generalization. Why do I always get so scared that I'm going to offend you?:laugh2:

I dunno, I always read JD's posts as someone who's very passionate about her religion and isn't afraid to hide it. She seems to have come to her beliefs through lots of personal reflection, and there's definitely a rift between her beliefs and those of the majority of the Christians here. Religion's just one of those things, I guess, it's very very difficult to discuss without judging somebody.

[Abbey Marie]

No Abbey, me thinks you need to reread her thread, specifically this part:

I see it everyday. I hear people talking about other people. I read things written online about other people. I see it in the looks on people’s faces when they have never met that person. No one is perfect and everyone at some point in time has made bad choices in their lives, or they have had a run of bad luck. Life happens.

it most certainly discussed stating those "assumptions" out loud.

jd

In a minor, "aside" kind of way, yes. And she may have meant it your way, too, but the thread has paragraph after paragraph about making assumptions, and very little about voicing them, so I stand behind my reading of it.

Gotta go, now, though. :salute:

[Abbey Marie]

I did indeed! :)

That said, I think the way you guys feel about JD is the same way a lot of us non-Christians feel about many of the Christians on this board: the feeling of being talked down to, being told your beliefs aren't right because they don't match mine.

For the record, "you" is not directed toward you Abbey, I'm making a generalization. Why do I always get so scared that I'm going to offend you?:laugh2:

I dunno, I always read JD's posts as someone who's very passionate about her religion and isn't afraid to hide it. She seems to have come to her beliefs through lots of personal reflection, and there's definitely a rift between her beliefs and those of the majority of the Christians here. Religion's just one of those things, I guess, it's very very difficult to discuss without judging somebody.

JD's brand of Christianity tends toward the liberal, so it is understandable that you would connect with it more, Dan.

And point taken about how we all come across!

[dan]

here is the pic that was commented on......

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o310/kami1970/PA050048.jpg

So, where can I procure a video of the chickfight that was commented on?:D

Judging from that pic, there's something wrong with the person who made the comment, that girl looks fine (aside from the shiner, obviously). And that's my judgement of the whole situation.:laugh2:

[Abbey Marie]

She looks very nice, actually, except for the shiner.

[dan]

JD's brand of Christianity tends toward the liberal, so it is understandable that you would connect with it more, Dan.


I'd like to argue otherwise, but this is 100% true.

[JohnDoe]

Oh C'mon now...you're safe here...you can admit it.

:D

It's NORMAL. :D




Then by your statement here:



You are in NO place to tell anyone else what to judge or not, right? ;)

:D hahahahahaha! WHAT?????

I am repeating a Bible verse....is that now not permitted by you or Abbey and taken in some sort of manner as though I was judging Abbey, PERSONALLY????

YOU have GOT to be kidding....jimminnee cricket!!!!

Damn, you guys are just on the edge of being looney toons on this subject with me and the unfair judgement YOU TWO bring upon ME for quoting scripture.... but hey, here's another one... I forgive you for your trespasses, as I would want to be forgiven for mine.

have a nice day, you and abbey both.

jd

[Abbey Marie]

hahahahahaha! WHAT?????

I am repeating a Bible verse....is that now not permitted by you or Abbey and taken in some sort of manner as though I was judging Abbey, PERSONALLY????

YOU have GOT to be kidding....jimminnee cricket!!!!

Damn, you guys are just on the edge of being lonney toons on this subject with me and the unfair judgement YOU TWO bring upon ME for quoting scripture.... but hey, here's another one... I forgive you for your trespasses, as I would want to be forgiven for mine.

have a nice day, you and abbey both.

jd


It's all in the presentation, JD. As I tried to explain earlier.

Hey, shouldn't you be praying for us looney tunes, instead of openly judging? ;)

[Trinity]

So, where can I procure a video of the chickfight that was commented on?:D

Judging from that pic, there's something wrong with the person who made the comment, that girl looks fine (aside from the shiner, obviously). And that's my judgement of the whole situation.:laugh2:

hmm I'll have to check on that one, and find out if they made a video of the chick fight.

[Abbey Marie]

hmm I'll have to check on that one, and find out if they made a video of the chick fight.

If you do, I have a feeling it will win best post, lol.

[Trinity]

Damn.... my bad, did not mean to open up a whole can of worms. Should I run and hide now.

[Abbey Marie]

Damn.... my bad, did not mean to open up a whole can of worms. Should I run and hide now.

No! It's been a very interesting thread, IMO.

[Trinity]

If you do, I have a feeling it will win best post, lol.

:laugh2:

[hjmick]

Damn.... my bad, did not mean to open up a whole can of worms. Should I run and hide now.

Not bad at all, as Abbey stated, it has been an interesting exchange on the topic. Not all of us see being judgemental the same way. Some do it in a manner that, rightly or wrongly, puts people into categories of class, status, ability, intelligence and so on, while others use it as a tool by which we, in a matter of just seconds in some cases, determine whether or not someone is a person whith whom we want to develope a friendship or some other sort of relationship.

Making judgements isn't always a bad thing.

[manu1959]

at the risk of being judgemental....she is cute and whoever said she was a skinny crack ho...is a fucking douche....:laugh2:


here is the pic that was commented on......

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o310/kami1970/PA050048.jpg

[Trinity]

Not bad at all, as Abbey stated, it has been an interesting exchange on the topic. Not all of us see being judgemental the same way. Some do it in a manner that, rightly or wrongly, puts people into categories of class, status, ability, intelligence and so on, while others use it as a tool by which we, in a matter of just seconds in some cases, determine whether or not someone is a person whith whom we want to develope a friendship or some other sort of relationship.

Making judgements isn't always a bad thing.

That is true to some degree....and I think everyone here has made some good points on different things based on their way of thinking. Does it mean that everyone is going to agree? Absolutely not, if they did what would be the point in even having this conversation.

[Dilloduck]

It sucks when people who don't even know me think I'm a nice guy----gotta be a bunch of dumb shits.

[Said1]

Judging someone based on a snap decision is perfectly fine. What matters is how you treat them until you know better. Of course, there are exceptions, but for the most part, the way in which you treat people is what really matters.

Also, I seem to recall a certain thread starter commenting on how they thought her son's school principal looked liked an asshole. :laugh2:

[Trinity]

Judging someone based on a snap decision is perfectly fine. What matters is how you treat them until you know better. Of course, there are exceptions, but for the most part, the way in which you treat people is what really matters.

Also, I seem to recall a certain thread starter commenting on how they thought her son's school principal looked liked an asshole. :laugh2:

Ok you are going to have to give me a link on that one cause I sure couldn't find where I said that.

[Said1]

Ok you are going to have to give me a link on that one cause I sure couldn't find where I said that.

It was at USMB, possibly one of the hidden forums....not sure.

Don't worry about it, it happens. :laugh2:

[jimnyc]

:laugh2:

No can't say that I do, but my husband does!:laugh2:

Liar! Liar! Liar!

EVERYONE likes boobies! :coffee:

[Trinity]

It was at USMB, possibly one of the hidden forums....not sure.

Don't worry about it, it happens. :laugh2:

oh yeah I know who you are referring to and yeah he was an asshole and that was based on my experience with him just like my ex husband who was also an asshole if you remember correctly. :laugh2:

[Trinity]

Liar! Liar! Liar!

EVERYONE likes boobies! :coffee:

No I do not like boobies!!!!!!!!! But hubby does!! great now I have to explain hubby says who is that and what is he talking about?:laugh2:

[jackass]

here is the pic that was commented on......

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o310/kami1970/PA050048.jpg

Wow...this thread is TOO LONG to read!!


Whose the crack whore??


:)

[jimnyc]

No I do not like boobies!!!!!!!!! But hubby does!! great now I have to explain hubby says who is that and what is he talking about?:laugh2:

Damn, and I was just going to ask if I can have your boobies since you don't like them! Sorry hubby! :)

[jimnyc]

Wow...this thread is TOO LONG to read!!


Whose the crack whore??


:)

Holy shit, I just lost a little of my coke out my nose! :laugh2:

[Said1]

oh yeah I know who you are referring to and yeah he was an asshole and that was based on my experience with him just like my ex husband who was also an asshole if you remember correctly. :laugh2:

I'm not planning on making an issue about it. Everyone probably does it more than think. :laugh:

[Trinity]

Holy shit, I just lost a little of my coke out my nose! :laugh2:

ROFLMAO :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::l augh2:

[Trinity]

Damn, and I was just going to ask if I can have your boobies since you don't like them! Sorry hubby! :)

Sorry they don't come off........:laugh2:

[jimnyc]

Sorry they don't come off........:laugh2:

Sorry again, hubby, looks like I gotta take the whole thing! :)

[Trinity]

Sorry again, hubby, looks like I gotta take the whole thing! :)

well hubby says you have to come get me.:laugh2:

[jimnyc]

well hubby says you have to come get me.:laugh2:

I'm a little low on funds right now, can he just send you on a plane? :)

[Trinity]

I'm a little low on funds right now, can he just send you on a plane? :)

He's low on funds too...oh well maybe next time.:laugh2:

[jimnyc]

He's low on funds too...oh well maybe next time.:laugh2:

Cheap bastard! :coffee:

[Trinity]

Cheap bastard! :coffee:

He said he would send me UPS.... by the way that reminds me....

Dude where's your car?:laugh2:

[Dilloduck]

This is gonna be interesting if people are going to be judging tits. :laugh2:

[Trinity]

This is gonna be interesting if people are going to be judging tits. :laugh2:

well damn if I would have known that I would not have deleted all the wet t shirt contest pics I had from when I was bartending.

[Dilloduck]

well damn if I would have known that I would not have deleted all the wet t shirt contest pics I had from when I was bartending.

but but-----judging is so wrong :laugh2:

[Trinity]

but but-----judging is so wrong :laugh2:

I wasn't a judge I was bartending :laugh2:

[Dilloduck]

I wasn't a judge I was bartending :laugh2:

np--we can just let everyone be a winner---people would kill to be a judge :laugh2:

[CockySOB]

well damn if I would have known that I would not have deleted all the wet t shirt contest pics I had from when I was bartending.

Could always make some new ones, no? :beer:

[Abbey Marie]

Notice how much friendlier this thread got once boobies were mentioned? Jim, you belong at the U.N.

[glockmail]

Boobs, fruit and vegetables through the decades:
20's and 30's, like ripe melons, makes you smile ear to ear.
40's, like pears, not as nice, but still good.
50's and on, like onions, makes you cry.

[Trinity]

Notice how much friendlier this thread got once boobies were mentioned? Jim, you belong at the U.N.

Yes it did, didn't it.