Commander in Chief Hillary?

[stephanie]

Those who worry that a Hillary Clinton presidency would just be the Return of Bill may yet be proved optimists. Judging by her article in Foreign Affairs on October 16 Hillary is determined to bring back the human rights-based failures of Jimmy Carter.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/10/security_and_opportunity_for_t.html

In a June 1977 speech,
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/55.htm
Jimmy Carter said he wanted to make American government “competent and more humane.” Carter celebrated what he called the end of our “…inordinate fear of communism which once led us to embrace any dictator who joined us in that fear.” And – establishing the most ineffective foreign policy since King Canute’s – Carter said, “Our policy must reflect our belief that the world can hope for more than simple survival and our belief that dignity and freedom are fundamental spiritual requirements… we have reaffirmed America's commitment to human rights as a fundamental tenet of our foreign policy.”

In her article, Clinton pledges a return to Carterism, writing that, “We must once again make human rights a centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy and a core element of our conception of democracy.” That was Carter’s first of five foreign policy principles.

To the other four, Clinton also pledges her allegiance.

Carter’s second point was to “reinforce the bonds among democracies.” Channeling Carter, Clinton wants to, “…rebuild our alliances. The problem we face is global; we must therefore be attentive to the values, concerns, and interests of our allies and partners.” Those values, concerns and interests -- such as Europe’s dependence on Iranian oil and the planned arms sales to China delayed so far by Mr. Bush -- will prevent action on Iran before it achieves its nuclear weapons ambitions and endanger every American ally on China’s periphery, including Japan.

Carter said that to deal with the Soviet Union, his third principle was, “…a freeze on further modernization and production of weapons and a continuing, substantial reduction of strategic nuclear weapons as well. We want a comprehensive ban on all nuclear testing, a prohibition against all chemical warfare, no attack capability against space satellites, and arms limitations in the Indian Ocean.” Clinton agrees.

Hillary Clinton wrote that she would, “…seek to negotiate an accord that substantially and verifiably reduces the U.S. and Russian nuclear arsenals. This dramatic initiative would send a strong message of nuclear restraint to the world, while we retain enough strength to deter others from trying to match our arsenal. I will also seek Senate approval of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty by 2009...”

Carter didn’t go as far as Clinton did, physically embracing the wife of terrorist Yassir Arafat, but he did try the same “peace process” Hillary would repeat. In that same speech, Carter said he would pursue a peace process to establish, in accordance with existing UN resolutions, a Palestinian homeland at the pre-1967 war borders, requiring Israel to give up the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Hillary wants a, “…renewed Middle East peace process that would mean security and normal relations for Israel and the Palestinians. The fundamental elements of a final agreement have been clear since 2000: a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank in return for a declaration that the conflict is over, recognition of Israel's right to exist, guarantees of Israeli security, diplomatic recognition of Israel, and normalization of its relations with Arab states.” Four years of failure under Carter, eight years of Clinton and now a year or two under Bush don’t dissuade Sen. Clinton.

A Hillary Clinton presidency would also be pledged to Carter’s fifth principle – “…even at the risk of some friction with our friends, to reduce the danger of nuclear proliferation and the worldwide spread of conventional weapons.” Clinton is aiming to take dramatic steps to, “…reduce our nuclear arsenal [to] build support for the coalitions we need to address the threat of nuclear proliferation and help the United States regain the moral high ground.” Clinton, like Carter, wants “to negotiate an accord that substantially and verifiably reduces the US and Russian nuclear arsenals.”

Faced with the utter collapse of the “incentive” deals given North Korea by her husband and by George Bush, Hillary would remake that agreement and make another one like it with Iran. She proposes, “…to offer Iran a carefully calibrated package of incentives” in return for which -- she thinks -- Iran would give up sponsorship of terrorism and its nuclear weapons program. Nothing succeeds like failure.

The North Korean deals negotiated by the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations were broken by the North Koreans before the ink was dry. The horrible silence you hear about the September 6 Israeli air strike in Syria is the result of the Bush administration’s desperate attempt to conceal the failure of the deal with North Korea. The Israelis caught the Syrians up to their noses in North Korean nuclear proliferation and provided a carefully calibrated air package to incent the Syrians to stop importing nuclear technology. None of those facts will dissuade Mrs. Carter, er, Clinton.

She wants to create a “Northeast Asian security regime” to secure our interests against North Korea. Never mind NATO: under Hillary, we’ll have “NEATO.”

read the rest at...
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23083

[theHawk]

Carter's and B.J. Clinton's foreign policy has cost our country dearly. In fact we are still paying for it with blood, and will continue to do so for many more years. This country will be driven into complete ruin if we have another President with liberal foreign policy.

[retiredman]

Carter's and B.J. Clinton's foreign policy has cost our country dearly. In fact we are still paying for it with blood, and will continue to do so for many more years. This country will be driven into complete ruin if we have another President with liberal foreign policy.

If you feel that strongly Hawk, you might want to investigate residency in some place more to your liking.....

how about that multicultural jeffersonian democracy that is blossoming on the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates even as we speak?

[BoogyMan]

Hillary would be a complete disaster. Has anyone here read "It Takes a Village?" The woman is a socialist with hard leanings toward modified communism, and the left wing wants her in office so badly they can taste it.

MFM, how about you joining that lovely socialist state down south with Porky Chavez and his minions that the appeasers among us seem to so adamantly support?

[April15]

Commander in Chief Hillary has a very nice sound to it, so much nicer than; chimp boy in chief bush.

[retiredman]

Hillary would be a complete disaster. Has anyone here read "It Takes a Village?" The woman is a socialist with hard leanings toward modified communism, and the left wing wants her in office so badly they can taste it.

MFM, how about you joining that lovely socialist state down south with Porky Chavez and his minions that the appeasers among us seem to so adamantly support?

Hey..boogerman.... if Hillary wins, I won't have to move anywhere!:lol:

[BoogyMan]

Hey..boogerman.... if Hillary wins, I won't have to move anywhere!:lol:

I appreciate your showing your age again with the cheesy name mangling. It just serves as a reminder of what a childish person we are dealing with when speaking to you.

You go right ahead and keep on pinning your hopes on a Hillary win. America may be divided, but she isn't crazy.

[retiredman]

I appreciate your showing your age again with the cheesy name mangling. It just serves as a reminder of what a childish person we are dealing with when speaking to you.

You go right ahead and keep on pinning your hopes on a Hillary win. America may be divided, but she isn't crazy.

have you never replaced the first M with an H in MFM? I seem to recall you had.

I am not pinning my hopes on anyone. I am waiting for my party to caucus in Maine and I will do what I can to capture support for my candidate - who is not Hillary, by the way. I will then wait until the convention picks our party's candidate and then I will do what I can to help that candidate get elected.

Who does the religious right vote for?

Hillary: pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control NY moderate
Rudy: pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control NY moderate
Mitt: flip flopping cult member

my guess...they vote with the seat of their pants.

who does everyone to the left of top dead center who is pissed off that the chimp has driven the bus into ditch vote for?

my guess: anyone with a D after their name.

[BoogyMan]

have you never replaced the first M with an H in MFM? I seem to recall you had.

Prove it mfm. I don't play that game.

[retiredman]

Prove it mfm. I don't play that game.

in which case, I apologize. I won't play that game either.

[Sir Evil]

in which case, I apologize. I won't play that game either.

The H is more fitting. M = manfrommaine = bullshit, H = homofrommaine = accuarate.

[Immanuel]

Hey..boogerman.... if Hillary wins, I won't have to move anywhere!:lol:

Now that is a scary thought!

But remember, the President can only do so much harm. Of course, the last seven years have shown us that the office can do more harm than we thought.

Immie

[retiredman]

The H is more fitting. M = manfrommaine = bullshit, H = homofrommaine = accuarate.


you are wrong, of course...but I am curious... how would you think you could possibly KNOW such a thing?

it seems like such a childish playground insult...

but then, I consider the source!:laugh2:

[Sir Evil]

you are wrong, of course...but I am curious... how would you think you could possibly KNOW such a thing?

it seems like such a childish playground insult...

but then, I consider the source!:laugh2:

Simple for anyone to see many of the replies you have left one the board, and the favorites that you use. How many times can you make the reference to cream dripping on ones chin, or boy butter, or all the other innuendos of sex with children. Really, there is enough there for anyone to see what a shit bag you are.

[JohnDoe]

Hillary is Republican Lite as far as I can tell, she has supported Bush policies 100%, even now with the Iran resolution.

She is the HAWK of the Democratic bunch that is out there imo....there is no other candidate that comes close to her Hawkishness, on Foreign Policy. Sure she may have some ideals on social issues, kind of like a "Compassionate Conservative".

:D

jd

[retiredman]

wow. you think you can determine my sexuality by my words?

your brother really got all the brains in the family. did someone drop you on your head as an infant?

you are an idiot. I can picture you standing in the middle of a circle of reasonably intelligent folks and hearing them all laugh at you.

[retiredman]

Hillary is Republican Lite as far as I can tell, she has supported Bush policies 100%, even now with the Iran resolution.

She is the HAWK of the Democratic bunch that is out there imo....there is no other candidate that comes close to her Hawkishness, on Foreign Policy. Sure she may have some ideals on social issues, kind of like a "Compassionate Conservative".

:D

jd

I agree.... it cracks me up when these talk radio parrots call her a liberal.

[glockmail]

Simple for anyone to see many of the replies you have left one the board, and the favorites that you use. How many times can you make the reference to cream dripping on ones chin, or boy butter, or all the other innuendos of sex with children. Really, there is enough there for anyone to see what a shit bag you are.

That and his direct inslt to my young son proves that he's a pedophile. You need a pshrink or a bullet, HFM.

[glockmail]

Hillary is Republican Lite as far as I can tell, she has supported Bush policies 100%, even now with the Iran resolution.

She is the HAWK of the Democratic bunch that is out there imo....there is no other candidate that comes close to her Hawkishness, on Foreign Policy. Sure she may have some ideals on social issues, kind of like a "Compassionate Conservative".

:D

jd

Its typical for a Democrat to act more rational when they are trying to convince the voters to give them more power. Its also typical for them to take a hard Left when they do get that power.

[retiredman]

That and his direct inslt to my young son proves that he's a pedophile. You need a pshrink or a bullet, HFM.


I never insulted your young son...I insulted YOU.

and thank you for your ideas about my "treatment" options, but I am going to pass on both choices...and I am pretty certain you don't have enough brains to deliver the former, and a combination of just enough brains and no balls to refrain from delivering the latter!:laugh2:

[glockmail]

I never insulted your young son...I insulted YOU.



Perhaps you could repeat the insult and let the other posters decide who you insulted.

[retiredman]

Perhaps you could repeat the insult and let the other posters decide who you insulted.

perhaps I don't give a shit.

perhaps it is infinitely more fun to watch you obsess like some winked out psych case.

perhaps both:laugh2:

[glockmail]

perhaps I don't give a shit.

perhaps it is infinitely more fun to watch you obsess like some winked out psych case.

perhaps both:laugh2:
Or perhaps you just don't have the nads to face judgement on what you did.

[retiredman]

Or perhaps you just don't have the nads to face judgement on what you did.

perhaps...

but my money is on the former two options.

:laugh2:

[GW in Ohio]

Carter's and B.J. Clinton's foreign policy has cost our country dearly. In fact we are still paying for it with blood, and will continue to do so for many more years. This country will be driven into complete ruin if we have another President with liberal foreign policy.

Yeah, right. Like the current Idiot in Chief didn't set us back 50 years in our foreign relations?

If we have another moron like Bush sitting in the Oval Office, this country will not survive.

I don't think either Carter or Clinton was particularly adept at foreign relations, but Bush has been an absolute disaster.

P.S. 2/3 of the country agrees with me.

[BoogyMan]

Yeah, right. Like the current Idiot in Chief didn't set us back 50 years in our foreign relations?

If we have another moron like Bush sitting in the Oval Office, this country will not survive.

I don't think either Carter or Clinton was particularly adept at foreign relations, but Bush has been an absolute disaster.

P.S. 2/3 of the country agrees with me.

Where do you get the 2/3 of the country agrees with you that the president is a disaster? Lets have direct citation and links to such definitively worded information.

Waiting......

[glockmail]

perhaps...

but my money is on the former two options.

:laugh2:
Only you can make the decision to let yourself be judged here. Since you refuse to, the truth is clear.

[glockmail]

Where do you get the 2/3 of the country agrees with you that the president is a disaster? Lets have direct citation and links to such definitively worded information.

Waiting...... Don't hold your breath. GW from O is full of shit. Whenever I've given him a direct challenge of one of his baseless accuations he's fallen flat on his fat face.

He and HFM have a lot in common. This ball-less trait, their liberalism, and their jack-off worship of Hillery. They must be butt-buds.

[GW in Ohio]

Don't hold your breath. GW from O is full of shit. Whenever I've given him a direct challenge of one of his baseless accuations he's fallen flat on his fat face.

He and HFM have a lot in common. This ball-less trait, their liberalism, and their jack-off worship of Hillery. They must be butt-buds.

Have you seen Bush's approval numbers?

Have you seen the polls where over 2/3 of the respondents say they think the country is headed in the wrong direction.

Over 2/3 believe our invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

[retiredman]

Only you can make the decision to let yourself be judged here. Since you refuse to, the truth is clear.

only I can make the decision whether or not I succumb to your obsessive flailings and end all my fun and curtail your frustrations. Only I can decide whether this issue from long long ago on a board far away should be resurrected here.

What you see as clear truth is really of no consequence to me. what others here think about me will be because of my actions on this board and my willingness to be contrite when I have erred.

Now.... keep obsessing. It really does give me a chuckle when I see you blustering about all puffed out and angry!:lol:

[glockmail]

Have you seen Bush's approval numbers?

Have you seen the polls where over 2/3 of the respondents say they think the country is headed in the wrong direction.

Over 2/3 believe our invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

Have you seen Congress's approval ratings? About 1/2 of Bush's. Da-ya suppose think that Congress has fucked up this country's direction? :poke:

[glockmail]

only I can make the decision whether or not I succumb to your obsessive flailings and end all my fun and curtail your frustrations. Only I can decide whether this issue from long long ago on a board far away should be resurrected here.

What you see as clear truth is really of no consequence to me. what others here think about me will be because of my actions on this board and my willingness to be contrite when I have erred.

Now.... keep obsessing. It really does give me a chuckle when I see you blustering about all puffed out and angry!:lol:

"Puffed out and angry"? Not quite. I have the same disinterest in you as in any other closet pedophile.

[retiredman]

Have you seen Congress's approval ratings? About 1/2 of Bush's. Da-ya suppose think that Congress has fucked up this country's direction? :poke:
I would say the inability of congress to move because of veto sustaining minorities in both chambers and filibuster power in the senate has done the most damage in fucking up the country's direction. the people wanted action in '06 on the war and, unfortunately, they didn't elect quite enough democrats to make that happen.

[retiredman]

"Puffed out and angry"? Not quite. I have the same disinterest in you as in any other closet pedophile.

for someone so disinterested, you sure seem to hound me around the board demanding I apologize for some perceived slight from months ago on another board. If you are so fucking "disinterested", then let it rest..... prove your disinterest. I fucking dare you:laugh2:

[glockmail]

I would say the inability of congress to move because of veto sustaining minorities in both chambers and filibuster power in the senate has done the most damage in fucking up the country's direction. the people wanted action in '06 on the war and, unfortunately, they didn't elect quite enough democrats to make that happen.
How many times has Bush used his veto? Twice as I recall. Hardly enough to stop some Democrat agenda.

With regards to the fillabuster, the Dems used this tactic as well. My complaint then is that it should be used as traditionally intended, with the minority shut up only after they fell asleep at the podium, not the bullshit rules where they hold it over a recess.

[glockmail]

for someone so disinterested, you sure seem to hound me around the board demanding I apologize for some perceived slight from months ago on another board. If you are so fucking "disinterested", then let it rest..... prove your disinterest. I fucking dare you:laugh2:I will continue to point you out to the crowd in my usual disinterested manner, much like I am disinterested in the life of a bug hitting my windshield.

As for the "percieved slight", why not let the others decide for themselves about it? I fucking dare you.

Since you refuse, the only conclusion is that you are ashamed of what you did.

[GW in Ohio]

Have you seen Congress's approval ratings? About 1/2 of Bush's. Da-ya suppose think that Congress has fucked up this country's direction? :poke:

Bush has checked every one of Congress's attempts to disengage from Iraq. The public dissatisfaction with Congress is really dissatisfaction with their attempts to reverse the disastrous Bush foreign policy.

[glockmail]

Bush has checked every one of Congress's attempts to disengage from Iraq. The public dissatisfaction with Congress is really dissatisfaction with their attempts to reverse the disastrous Bush foreign policy.
With 2 vetos?

[retiredman]

With 2 vetos?

no. with the help of senate republicans, of course.

[retiredman]

I will continue to point you out to the crowd in my usual disinterested manner, much like I am disinterested in the life of a bug hitting my windshield.

As for the "percieved slight", why not let the others decide for themselves about it? I fucking dare you.

Since you refuse, the only conclusion is that you are ashamed of what you did.

you need to be aware that the only conclusion that you can draw is not the only conclusion...but do keep prattling about.

If you wanna make such a big deal out of the perceived slight...go dig it up. Go over to USMB and cut and paste the discussion in question and bring it over here. It is old news to me.... and, as I said before, watching you continue to fret about it and ruin thread after thread harping about it is kind of funny...in a pathetic, needy, immature, obsessive sort of way!:laugh2:

[glockmail]

no. with the help of senate republicans, of course. A minority. Sounds like a piss-poor excuse.

[glockmail]

you need to be aware that the only conclusion that you can draw is not the only conclusion...but do keep prattling about.

If you wanna make such a big deal out of the perceived slight...go dig it up. Go over to USMB and cut and paste the discussion in question and bring it over here. It is old news to me.... and, as I said before, watching you continue to fret about it and ruin thread after thread harping about it is kind of funny...in a pathetic, needy, immature, obsessive sort of way!:laugh2: It was in a PM from you to me. I dispossed of it as I do with other putrid trash. Besides, even if I cut-and-paste, you'd just accuse me of making it up.

Why not repeat your insult here, in public, and let others draw their own conclusion?

[Sir Evil]

Only you can make the decision to let yourself be judged here. Since you refuse to, the truth is clear.

No worries on judgement glock, I think everyone has seen enough to recognize the truth behind this bag of shit.

[glockmail]

No worries on judgement glock, I think everyone has seen enough to recognize the truth behind this bag of shit. I'm sure most have. But I think y'all deserve to see the real maineman, in all his hateful, pedophile, homosexual glory.
:laugh2:

[retiredman]

It was in a PM from you to me. I dispossed of it as I do with other putrid trash. Besides, even if I cut-and-paste, you'd just accuse me of making it up.

Why not repeat your insult here, in public, and let others draw their own conclusion?

ah...the old convenient "it was in a PM" trick! wink wink

Like I said before, I much prefer watching you obsess about it. I really can't remember it in any detail anyway - it was never all that important to me, and it was soooo long ago now...:laugh2:

but you and sir evil keep picking away... like members of a geeky club that no one else really feels like joining.:lol:

[Sir Evil]

ah...the old convenient "it was in a PM" trick! wink wink

Like I said before, I much prefer watching you obsess about it. I really can't remember it in any detail anyway - it was never all that important to me, and it was soooo long ago now...:laugh2:

but you and sir evil keep picking away... like members of a geeky club that no one else really feels like joining.:lol:

What a fucking moron! Do you have any idea how often you go to PM and say stupid shit? Was no surprise at all to find out others have repeated that same thing. wink wink...what a homo

[retiredman]

What a fucking moron! Do you have any idea how often you go to PM and say stupid shit? Was no surprise at all to find out others have repeated that same thing. wink wink...what a homo

golly...when I tried to bring up all the incredibly racist moronic shit you write in PM's and rep comments, your brother threatened to ban me.

wink wink

[glockmail]

ah...the old convenient "it was in a PM" trick! wink wink

Like I said before, I much prefer watching you obsess about it. I really can't remember it in any detail anyway - it was never all that important to me, and it was soooo long ago now...:laugh2:

but you and sir evil keep picking away... like members of a geeky club that no one else really feels like joining.:lol:


It is a lie that you can't remember, as you referred to it just last week.

And yet another lie that it wasn't important to you. The fact that you followed me to this forum within ten minutes of me leaving USMB proves that it was indeed very important to you. Just ask OCA about this little fact, as he tossed your ass out ten minutes after that, and you were banned for months.

But then again I don't expect you to man-up.

[Sir Evil]

golly...when I tried to bring up all the incredibly racist moronic shit you write in PM's and rep comments, your brother threatened to ban me.

wink wink

Those were not moronic, they were every bit of the truth.

[retiredman]

Those were not moronic, they were every bit of the truth.



:lol: that is really hilarious!!!

[Sir Evil]

:lol: that is really hilarious!!!

I know it is, and is why I laughed so much while delivering those comments as true as they are.

[retiredman]

It is a lie that you can't remember, as you referred to it just last week.

And yet another lie that it wasn't important to you. The fact that you followed me to this forum within ten minutes of me leaving USMB proves that it was indeed very important to you. Just ask OCA about this little fact, as he tossed your ass out ten minutes after that, and you were banned for months.

But then again I don't expect you to man-up.

you really have an inflated opinion of yourself, glock. please tell me how I would know where to go to "follow you"? :laugh2:

trust me....you are not important to me in the least. you are now, and have always been a paradoxical mix of a minor annoyance and a major source of laughter.

and again....I will try very hard to NOT live up to your expectations of me...but you must know that you ALWAYS live up to mine! good job!

[retiredman]

I know it is, and is why I laughed so much while delivering those comments as true as they are.


written, oddly enough, in disappearing ink!

gone almost before they were dry!

[Sir Evil]

written, oddly enough, in disappearing ink!

gone almost before they were dry!

I know because you cried like the little bitch you are to Jim about the comments. :laugh2::laugh2:

[retiredman]

I know because you cried like the little bitch you are to Jim about the comments. :laugh2::laugh2:

you'd think that if they were "factual", he would not have so rapidly removed them.

[Sir Evil]

you'd think that if they were "factual", he would not have so rapidly removed them.

Hey...it's just your smarter brother trying to protect your stupid ass.

lucky you!:laugh2:

Protect me from what? a simple simon like you? :laugh2: Face it homo, you are, and always will be a spineless old fart sitting behind the keys talking smack.

[glockmail]

you really have an inflated opinion of yourself, glock. please tell me how I would know where to go to "follow you"? :laugh2:
.... Classic HFM: won't admit the lie, and digs himself a deeper hole.

You were a member here as maineman, and banned for being an asshole. When I came here, you registered under your current manfrommaine, then immeadiately PMd me with continued insults. OCA found out about your double registration, Jim checked the IP log to verify that maineman was (gasp) the same as manfrommaine, and banned your ass yet again.

Face it dickfor, you ain't smart enough to lie and not get caught.

[Sir Evil]

Classic HFM: won't admit the lie, and digs himself a deeper hole.

You were a member here as maineman, and banned for being an asshole. When I came here, you registered under your current manfrommaine, then immeadiately PMd me with continued insults. OCA found out about your double registration, Jim checked the IP log to verify that maineman was (gasp) the same as manfrommaine, and banned your ass yet again.

Face it dickfor, you ain't smart enough to lie and not get caught.

You must of missed the one where he claimed it was his son who registered but amazingly never did again. :lol:

[glockmail]

You must of missed the one where he claimed it was his son who registered but amazingly never did again. :lol: :lol: :lol: What a spineless fuck! Claiming his son would register to defend his pedophile old man! Oh gawd I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe! :lol::lol:

[retiredman]

Classic HFM: won't admit the lie, and digs himself a deeper hole.

You were a member here as maineman, and banned for being an asshole. When I came here, you registered under your current manfrommaine, then immeadiately PMd me with continued insults. OCA found out about your double registration, Jim checked the IP log to verify that maineman was (gasp) the same as manfrommaine, and banned your ass yet again.

Face it dickfor, you ain't smart enough to lie and not get caught.

explain to me how I knew where you had gone when you left USMB? :laugh2:

[glockmail]

explain to me how I knew where you had gone when you left USMB? :laugh2: At that time there was considerable flight from "the old board" to "the new board".

[retiredman]

At that time there was considerable flight from "the old board" to "the new board".

that's your best "explanation"? I was supposed to have just figured out where you went on the internet and followed you here 10 minutes later?

really? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[OCA]

Classic HFM: won't admit the lie, and digs himself a deeper hole.

You were a member here as maineman, and banned for being an asshole. When I came here, you registered under your current manfrommaine, then immeadiately PMd me with continued insults. OCA found out about your double registration, Jim checked the IP log to verify that maineman was (gasp) the same as manfrommaine, and banned your ass yet again.

Face it dickfor, you ain't smart enough to lie and not get caught.

100% true. I logged in early 1 morning and this douchebag was back on under a different nic only he was too stupid to use something completely different, he used some more shit with Maine in it.........I immediately hit the lifetime ban on this fuck.

Guess he sucked Jimmy off to get back on.

[glockmail]

that's your best "explanation"? I was supposed to have just figured out where you went on the internet and followed you here 10 minutes later?

really? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: Its you who have explaining to do.

[glockmail]

100% true. .... . Caught in another lie. This asshole should be banned forever.

[retiredman]

Its you who have explaining to do.

I got nothing to explain...If you think I have wronged you in some way.... please show some proof of it and then we can talk about it.... until then, I am here to talk foreign policy and national politics....do you wanna participate or do you wanna continue to whine like a fuckin' teenage girlieman? Keep whining if you want, but you're really nothing more than mild comic relief for me.... and even that is starting to get tedious.

[glockmail]

I got nothing to explain...If you think I have wronged you in some way.... please show some proof of it and then we can talk about it.... until then, I am here to talk foreign policy and national politics....do you wanna participate or do you wanna continue to whine like a fuckin' teenage girlieman? Keep whining if you want, but you're really nothing more than mild comic relief for me.... and even that is starting to get tedious. I just proved it, dickhead.

So now that we caught you dick-in-hand with yet another lie, with your credibility reduced to zero, why the fuck would anyone waste time talking to you about foreign policy and national politics?

So how did you manage to get yourself un-banned, anyhow? Give someone a toothless gummy job?

[OCA]

I got nothing to explain...If you think I have wronged you in some way.... please show some proof of it and then we can talk about it.... until then, I am here to talk foreign policy and national politics....do you wanna participate or do you wanna continue to whine like a fuckin' teenage girlieman? Keep whining if you want, but you're really nothing more than mild comic relief for me.... and even that is starting to get tedious.

Ok lets talk national politics.

Why does the Democratic party continue to enslave Blacks to welfare solely for votes? In other words why do you guys treat them like slaves on the plantation? Why do you guys hate them still?

[Sir Evil]

Ok lets talk national politics.

Why does the Democratic party continue to enslave Blacks to welfare solely for votes? In other words why do you guys treat them like slaves on the plantation? Why do you guys hate them still?

lol, why would homo hate them, he's part sand nigger himself. :laugh2:

[retiredman]

Ok lets talk national politics.

Why does the Democratic party continue to enslave Blacks to welfare solely for votes? In other words why do you guys treat them like slaves on the plantation? Why do you guys hate them still?

I disagree with your premise...and so, obviously, do the vast majority of black americans. Or do you think that blacks are so shiftless and lazy and stupid that they continue to vote for the folks who treat them like slaves?

[retiredman]

I just proved it, dickhead.

So now that we caught you dick-in-hand with yet another lie, with your credibility reduced to zero, why the fuck would anyone waste time talking to you about foreign policy and national politics?

So how did you manage to get yourself un-banned, anyhow? Give someone a toothless gummy job?

you have "proven" shit. you claim that I came stalking you here ten minutes after you left USMB and I have yet to see you explain how in the world I would have a clue where, on the internet, you had gone when you left one site with your tail between your legs.
And thinking back...it wasn't really a case of you just "leaving" USMB, was it? You were permanently banned, as I recall.:laugh2:

why WAS that?

[OCA]

I disagree with your premise...and so, obviously, do the vast majority of black americans. Or do you think that blacks are so shiftless and lazy and stupid that they continue to vote for the folks who treat them like slaves?


Partly that they are lazy and partly because they took you guys at your word and you guys bent them over Pulp Fiction style.

[OCA]

lol, why would homo hate them, he's part sand nigger himself. :laugh2:

Is that correct? Or has he had a sand nigger in him? Or does like the underage sand niggers?

[retiredman]

Partly that they are lazy and partly because they took you guys at your word and you guys bent them over Pulp Fiction style.

so...you would think that if you had been bent over pulp fiction style, that you would repay your rapists the very next election. why do you think they haven't yet?

[OCA]

so...you would think that if you had been bent over pulp fiction style, that you would repay your rapists the very next election. why do you think they haven't yet?

Because, as scientific evidence suggests.............on the whole they ain't the brightest bulbs on the xmas tree.

[Sir Evil]

Is that correct? Or has he had a sand nigger in him? Or does like the underage sand niggers?

I guess it's his love for the middle east that leaves me to believe this but certain there has been an ample amount of youngters involved as well.

[retiredman]

Because, as scientific evidence suggests.............on the whole they ain't the brightest bulbs on the xmas tree.

and you wonder why they don't flock to YOUR side?:lol:

[OCA]

and you wonder why they don't flock to YOUR side?:lol:

So you believe that they are bright? Would you like me to show you test scores(name your state) (pick your year, they are all the same) that shows that Blacks consistently score the lowest?

[retiredman]

So you believe that they are bright? Would you like me to show you test scores(name your state) (pick your year, they are all the same) that shows that Blacks consistently score the lowest?

so because they have marginally lower scores on standardized tests, you think they are so stupid that they will continue to vote for democrats in overwhelming numbers even though democrats are bending them over a table top and forcibly raping them in the ass year after year after year?

What I believe is that race is not a predictable indicator of intelligence.... even though it may, in our society, be somewhat of an indicator as to education.

[glockmail]

you have "proven" shit. you claim that I came stalking you here ten minutes after you left USMB and I have yet to see you explain how in the world I would have a clue where, on the internet, you had gone when you left one site with your tail between your legs.
And thinking back...it wasn't really a case of you just "leaving" USMB, was it? You were permanently banned, as I recall.:laugh2:

why WAS that?

My accusation on post 57 was proven by OCA's post 63. Since you refuse to admit even after you've been caught pants-down, dick-in-hand that just shows how little credibility you have.

Its not up to me to "prove" how you found me here from USMB. The fact is that you did, a mere ten minutes or so after I left. I gave a theory on how you did that, and anyone familiar with the two boards can agree that it is very likely how you did it.

The reason I got banned from USMB is immaterial to the issue of your pedophiliac insults about my family, your subsequent stalking of me and your continued lies about both accusations.

[glockmail]

Because, as scientific evidence suggests.............on the whole they ain't the brightest bulbs on the xmas tree. Although that is true, a better explanation is that it is human nature to support whoever is pandering to you. That also explains why the following are beholden to the Democrat Party: Hollywood, unions, poor, and felons.

[retiredman]

MY stalking of YOU????? Oh that is rich!

the fact is...I didn't stalk you anywhere.... I didn't "follow" you anywhere.... and if I made inferences as to your predeliction for young boys - as you have done to me - that was certainly an insult aimed at you and not at any of your victims!

[glockmail]

MY stalking of YOU????? Oh that is rich!

the fact is...I didn't stalk you anywhere.... I didn't "follow" you anywhere.... and if I made inferences as to your predeliction for young boys - as you have done to me - that was certainly an insult aimed at you and not at any of your victims!Classic HFM:
1. Continued lie about stalking me despite facts presented and corraborated testimony.
2. Attempt to minimize the infraction by accusing me of doing the same. You directly accused me of having a homosexual relationship with my young son. This was not a simple "predeliction for young boys" insult. In return, I have repeatedly called you a pedophilia, as only a child molester would make up something as vile as you did.

You also lied about not remembering about what you wrote, as demonstrated by your post here:
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=143554&postcount=34

[diuretic]

Mrs Clinton would be as ruthless as Dick Cheney as C in C.

[retiredman]

I agree...but being ruthless in pursuit of the objectives of the democratic party platform is not necessarily a bad thing.

[diuretic]

I agree...but being ruthless in pursuit of the objectives of the democratic party platform is not necessarily a bad thing.

True - if you're in politics you have to be prepared to stab in the back or grab at the throat, anything less isn't really trying. But there seems to be the idea being kicked around that Mrs Clinton would be a wuss when it comes to foreign policy. I have to disagree. I think she would be a hawk first and foremost. And being a bit of a hawk is necessary to a degree, I mean it wouldn't do for your president to be a sook. There's a lot to be said for the old iron fist in the velvet glove and I think she would be quite up to that. I've seen her speeches and she's quite formidable, no wonder Bill is shit scared of her. I don't like her one bit, but that's neither here nor there; what is apparent is she is up to the job. I just hope she doesn't get it.

[retiredman]

True - if you're in politics you have to be prepared to stab in the back or grab at the throat, anything less isn't really trying. But there seems to be the idea being kicked around that Mrs Clinton would be a wuss when it comes to foreign policy. I have to disagree. I think she would be a hawk first and foremost. And being a bit of a hawk is necessary to a degree, I mean it wouldn't do for your president to be a sook. There's a lot to be said for the old iron fist in the velvet glove and I think she would be quite up to that. I've seen her speeches and she's quite formidable, no wonder Bill is shit scared of her. I don't like her one bit, but that's neither here nor there; what is apparent is she is up to the job. I just hope she doesn't get it.

for the longterm makeup of the supreme court, if for no other reason, I think it is imperative that the democrat win in '08. Replacing Ginsberg and Stevens with two young Scalia clones would be frightening.

[glockmail]

Mrs Clinton would be as ruthless as Dick Cheney as C in C. Too bad she wouldn't be ruthlessly supporting the interests of the People of the United States as enumerated in the Constitution.