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KarlMarx

10-23-2007, 06:33 AM

The father of a Binghamton toddler said he tried to keep the boy out of the hands of the woman police say beat the child to death and left his body in her apartment.

Edward L. Babola Jr., 54, of Johnson City, and his children said they unsuccessfully fought with the Broome County Department of Social Services for years for custody of Milken (Mel) McGarity. Police found 3-year-old Milken's body Thursday in the Binghamton apartment of Tricia McGarity, the toddler's 37-year-old mother.

Tricia McGarity is now in the Broome County Jail facing a second-degree murder charge.

rest of article at:

http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071023/NEWS01/710230352/1006/

This woman killed her 3 year old kid and let his body in her apartment to rot....

It gets better... another woman was arrested yesterday afternoon down the road from here for murdering her toddler....

So much for the feminist lie that all men are brutal and all women are nurturing....

And shame on those of you out there that actually believed that feminists tell the truth...

Nienna

10-23-2007, 06:52 AM

A guy I used to hang out with once said to me, "Men fight to show superiority, but women fight to kill." A man might back down once he puts his opponent in his place, but don't get in the way of an angry woman... she'll be ruthless.

glockmail

10-23-2007, 07:18 AM

Hagbard Celine

10-23-2007, 09:06 AM

JohnDoe

10-23-2007, 09:26 AM

http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071023/NEWS01/710230352/1006/

This woman killed her 3 year old kid and let his body in her apartment to rot....

It gets better... another woman was arrested yesterday afternoon down the road from here for murdering her toddler....

So much for the feminist lie that all men are brutal and all women are nurturing....

And shame on those of you out there that actually believed that feminists tell the truth...
Karl,

How can someone who posted such a beautiful prayer of best wishes for rsr while he was in surgery, SAY something like this....?

Get your "character" that you are "playing" on here straight, you are confusing the heck out of me? ;)

You can not possibly believe that MOST WOMEN are similar to these TWO exceptions to the rule? Or the miniscule amount of cases where the woman is the brutal killer of their own Toddlers....

When it does RARELY happen in our society it makes the News, because it is newsworthy.... and why is that?

Because most women are nuturing to their own children and even to the children of others.

Are they all perfect in their care for their children? Of course not. But I don't personally know any woman that has children that would not kill to save their own child, with or without a gun, they will die trying.

You are either young on experience or are older and have been scorned perhaps? But Karl, your thinking is way wrong on this imo!

jd

KarlMarx

10-23-2007, 09:26 AM

All black people eat watermelon, asians do math real good, mexicans are smelly, sweaty, all jews are covetous, all women are murderous wenches. White men are the only righteous ones. That's why when God sent his son to save all mankind, he sent him as a blue-eyed white man. This story proves it. :dance:

If you believe feminists, all MEN are evil and all WOMEN are good (or if they do something evil, it's actually the fault of "the patriarchy" or the so called "male dominated society" we live in). The feminists' stereotypes are equally ridiculous as the ones you posted.

Actually, come to think of it.... ALL Marxist and neo-Marxist ideas (as feminism has become) are nothing more than a bunch of nightmare fairytales to advance the cause of worldwide Socialism rather than solve society's problems.

The Judeo-Christian philosophy has the right idea... ALL have sinned and are in need of repentence. It does not matter which group of people you belong to. This "guilt by association" nonsense that the feminists push has to end! Most men and women are decent human beings.

KarlMarx

10-23-2007, 09:31 AM

Karl,

How can someone who posted such a beautiful prayer of best wishes for rsr while he was in surgery, SAY something like this....?

Get your "character" that you are "playing" on here straight, you are confusing the heck out of me? ;)

You can not possibly believe that MOST WOMEN are similar to these TWO exceptions to the rule? Or the miniscule amount of cases where the woman is the brutal killer of their own Toddlers....

When it does RARELY happen in our society it makes the News, because it is newsworthy.... and why is that?

Because most women are nuturing to their own children and even to the children of others.

Are they all perfect in their care for their children? Of course not. But I don't personally know any woman that has children that would not kill to save their own child, with or without a gun, they will die trying.

You are either young on experience or are older and have been scorned perhaps? But Karl, your thinking is way wrong on this imo!

jd

Refer to my last post. Most men are nurturing too... but in a male way. There are the exceptions, of course, but then women are also prone to violence too. My point is that the feminist stereotype that women (implying ALL) are nurturing and men (implying ALL) are oppressive is simply a lie and that we'd all be better off ignoring that bunch of bitter harpies.

The Gloria Steinems, Betty Friedens are destined for the ash heap of history and good riddance to them, too. All feminism has helped to bring about is rising divorce rates, broken families, unfair laws that discriminate against men and animosity between the sexes.

darin

10-23-2007, 10:05 AM

All feminism has helped to bring about is rising divorce rates, broken families, unfair laws that discriminate against men and animosity between the sexes.

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Hagbard Celine

10-23-2007, 10:08 AM

gabosaurus

10-23-2007, 11:21 AM

Nukeman

10-23-2007, 11:23 AM

Damn female workforce! What's next? Female motorists??? What's this country coming to?! Beaver, you'd better go into the study and review your lessons. Me and your mother have some things we need to straighten out. Now June, this is for your own good...*SMACK!* :coffee:

Are you just being contrary or do you really not see what Karl is talking about? Its not about subjugating woman or taking away any rights that are theirs. Its about the obsurd statements that the radical feminist have put forth for the last 3 decades.

Not ALL women are good just like not all men are bad, but to listen to the crazed feminist that is exactly what the truth is..

There has been a decline in the quality of the US family since the major feminist movement of the 70's. I'm not saying that this is the primary problem but it is a contributing factor, When women enmass went to work the families realized how much more they could buy and afford, than our society became more of "what more can I get" instead of what more can I do for my family. Men and woman are equally guilty in this repect because they stopped focusing on the quality of the family and started placing emphasis on how much they can amass to "keep up with the Jonses".

My wife and I decided that whoever could make the most to support our family would be the one to work and the other would stay home with the kids to raise them. In our home my wife made less so she stayed home. We are now at the point with kids being in school that she is working part time and love getting out and talking to other adults. Yes she sacrificed a lot for our family and I probably dont always give her the credit she deserves. We made sacrifices in a number of things we couldnt afford so no one had to "raise our kids for us" .

I still remember being taught to always open doors for women, take their coats, always have a hand ready to help, and to always walk on the outside curb when walking. I try to instill this in my own boys

glockmail

10-23-2007, 11:25 AM

Let's compare the number of women who abuse their children against the number of women who abuse their children.
..... This is why you are called a liberal moonbat. :clap:

darin

10-23-2007, 11:29 AM

L
Ever hear of a woman sexually abusing a child? It happens with men all the time?

Happens frequently - or don't you watch the news? Women teachers are raping students with alarming frequency. It's also harder to 'catch' women rapists, because I doubt many adolescent boys would report it. Let's talk about how many men are falsely-accused by slutty women. That happens "all the time" too.

How many women run off and leave their pregnant spouses? Or just run off and leave their spouses to take care of their children?

...Or run off and KILL the unborn child of their sex-partner...or rape him, financially with over-the-top "Child" support payments, which cover the woman's Lexus lease, etc.

You hear a lot about women stuck with a lot of kids. Not nearly as much criticism is leveled at men who have multiple kids by multiple women. Mostly because they are able to skip and run.

What about the sluts who sleep with guys who have many children by many ladies?

Stupid people (most likely bitter men who can't maintain marriages or relationships) need to stop pointing out singular cases and offering them as the norm. Don't blame us for your failures in life.

Wanna know another case of abuse by women? If you ever get into a position of influence over a child, you will be abusing that child with your evil, hate-filled, jacked-up opinions on men and women.

darin

10-23-2007, 11:30 AM

Are you just being contrary or do you really not see what Karl is talking about?

He's s a shit-stirrer. He knows exactly what Karl was talking about - he likes taking one thing somebody says, and applying it to the most-far-out-extreme...sorta like Gabby here.

JohnDoe

10-23-2007, 11:35 AM

Refer to my last post. Most men are nurturing too... but in a male way. There are the exceptions, of course, but then women are also prone to violence too. My point is that the feminist stereotype that women (implying ALL) are nurturing and men (implying ALL) are oppressive is simply a lie and that we'd all be better off ignoring that bunch of bitter harpies.

The Gloria Steinems, Betty Friedens are destined for the ash heap of history and good riddance to them, too. All feminism has helped to bring about is rising divorce rates, broken families, unfair laws that discriminate against men and animosity between the sexes.

NOTE!
I am uncertain on what you are calling "Feminism" Karl so let my reply stand on what I "think" you are refering to as "Feminism".

1. Who said that all men are never nurturing? I have never heard that at all, ever, by anyone! I don't believe even stereo types like Gloria S of the so called short lived Feminist movement believed that all men are oppressive?
And my husband is definately a nurturing type of person in every manner that a woman would recognize, yet my father less so, but that does not mean that dad was not nurturing in his own "way" as a father figure?

2. YOu are still living in the past on this and out of reality's realm imho. No one is out there supporting this feminist movement of the past. No one is harping on it.... half the workforce in America are women now, it is a necessity in most families for both the husband and the wife to work just to pay the energy bill, let alone the rising cost of food and healthcare and educations for their kids... unless of course the Husband holds a decent paying job, or is willing to take the FULL responsibility or financing the house hold by working 80 hours a week himself, that could allow the wife to stay home..., which does cover a certain percentage of the population.. but not many in this day and age.

And the feminist movement did not come from these few women, the so called feminist movement came when we sent our men in to world war 1 and world war II, because the women left behind were the ones that had to work and produce and manufacture the products needed to fight the war and necessities needed here at home, in the USA....so in my opinion, women "came to the rescue" for the manufacturing industries in the usa, for our military, and for those here at home.

I can only speak for myself and my own experiences regarding this issue, but due to extenuating circumstances, I was thrown in to the Corporate Business world at a very young age and relied on this career of mine to put a roof over my head, a car in the driveway, the food to nourish me, and the clothes on my back.

I took my career seriously because I wanted the security of those things above and more, and there was "no man" in my life at that time who was going to get them "for me". I don't call that a "feminist" movement although I am female. It is a natural instinct of survival imo.

Yet, with my maturity came wisdom later in life, of what I began to see as necessities in my life, were really not necessities at all but were coveting what other's had.... my husband and I began to view this in the same manner, and although I was the main income earner in our household, I retired, young, a tad over 40, and gave up the 20 years I had established in the career that made me a living, and some.

We could afford for me to do this, because we changed our views on what was really necessary and we focussed on what we really enjoyed, which was nature....COST FREE! :) (I have deer eating in my yard, the apples from my 7 apple trees on the property, every single evening and night of the week and this has been going on for a month now! And that is just one spec of what we really have now regarding nature. :) ) With this came a simple life...not alot of gadgets, not many vacations, not alot of clothes or shoes, no broadband connection, no town water or sewerage, no new cars every few years but once a decade if lucky, and alot of other things that we as a couple were willing to give up. :(

This came with age, and it came with 9/11, with the uncertainty of life here on earth and many other things that extended from it and the bottom line was that we wanted to keep on living, but in the slow lane, to smell the roses that are here on earth... we enjoyed the fast lane while we were in it, enjoyed the gadgets and would not give up that part of us in our first decade or two of working, just that for us, we are beyond that and we want to slow down, live comfortably, but humbly in many ways.... that has been good for us. I am not implying that this is possible for everyone or even the desire of everyone.

But I can say one thing, more and more I have been coming across women that really would love to "just be a housewife and mother", but circumstances and their husbands not making enough or the two of them needing their gadgets at this point in their lives, prevents this from even being a possibility in most families. My husband and I were not able to have children together, so we do not have the worries of how to pay for the kids education or paying for their health Insurance or the cost of them in general to worry about.

What eminates from you Karl is almost what you are saying you despise in a rabid feminist? Look at yourself and what you are saying the Feminist's do in their generalization's of men and you are doing the same, generalizing that the entire feminist community is something horrid and repulsive and bad, when in my opinion some very good things have come out of the feminist movement including the right for women to be equal, and women having the right to a vote and a voice in our own communities with our own children in it.

Yes the family unit is falling apart with women working perhaps? But if the man could earn enough on his own to give his family a good, comfortable and secure life, I bet not as many women would be working too, other than maybe part time, for intellectual fullfilment. Of course there will still be the family unit where it is an absolute must that the wife works also, just to cover the room and board and I don't discount this situation in the least.

I know I just said a bunch of things, but to summerize, I think you are wrong in your assessment of this Karl, and should look in the mirror and see that in this case you are projecting... at feminists, what you actually are doing or seeing in yourself...perhaps?

jd

gabosaurus

10-23-2007, 11:37 AM

The last few responses offer ample proof why I come here to stir shit.
Because there is a lot of created shit to stir. :lmao:

darin

10-23-2007, 11:39 AM

JD - You VASTLY over-read into Karl's OP; which is what has you riled up since. You read into it, and read it wrong.

Trigg

10-23-2007, 11:39 AM

JohnDoe

10-23-2007, 12:11 PM

femanists got women into the workforce with equal pay (mostly).

But...and this is a big one, is also told women they could have it all. In the 80's women were told they could work full-time, take care of the house and still please their man. There was a commercial about it remember?

I can bring home the bacon
Fry it up in a pan
And never, never let you forget your a man.
Cause I"m a woman _________ (forget the name of the product)

Come to find out it's next to impossible to do all this and not fel completely worn out and stressed.

Femanism has also lead to TV always showing man as idiots who know next to nothing about what their kids do and never ever help the poor overworked wife do anything.

Trigg, I have worked with women that had the precise situation with their husbands... Where they had to do everything, including leaving their jobs to pick up there kids whenever they were sick at school, interupting their own careers, while thier husbands never did and treated them as though their careers were the lesser importance and their responsibility of being the "wife" and doing the wifely duties were still all hers. This situation does exist and I have been a witness to it of associates that I have worked with over the years.

But on the other hand I have viewed many married situations where the husband does kick in his fair share and some, of the so called wifely duties. This was the case with my own husband because my career was alot more hectic and demanding than his own, and without him I could not have been as successful and at ease with climbing the ladder, so to say and I will forever be grateful for his unduly support.

It seems to me you guys are putting yourselves down more than any so called feminist movement has ever done?

:dunno:

jd

JohnDoe

10-23-2007, 12:19 PM

JD - You VASTLY over-read into Karl's OP; which is what has you riled up since. You read into it, and read it wrong.

hahahaha! Maybe you are right? :dunno:

I will slow it a bit and reread the thread and all that has been posted again...I reserve the right to change my mind then, (as is allowed to a female so the saying goes?)
:laugh2::laugh2:

jd

Nukeman

10-23-2007, 12:33 PM

Trigg, I have worked with women that had the precise situation with their husbands... Where they had to do everything, including leaving their jobs to pick up there kids whenever they were sick at school, interupting their own careers, while thier husbands never did and treated them as though their careers were the lesser importance and their responsibility of being the "wife" and doing the wifely duties were still all hers. This situation does exist and I have been a witness to it of associates that I have worked with over the years.

But on the other hand I have viewed many married situations where the husband does kick in his fair share and some, of the so called wifely duties. This was the case with my own husband because my career was alot more hectic and demanding than his own, and without him I could not have been as successful and at ease with climbing the ladder, so to say and I will forever be grateful for his unduly support.

It seems to me you guys are putting yourselves down more than any so called feminist movement has ever done?

:dunno:

jdJust so you know Trigg is a woman and great mother to her kids!!!

Nienna

10-23-2007, 12:35 PM

Hagbard Celine

10-23-2007, 12:38 PM

Are you just being contrary or do you really not see what Karl is talking about? Its not about subjugating woman or taking away any rights that are theirs. Its about the obsurd statements that the radical feminist have put forth for the last 3 decades.

Not ALL women are good just like not all men are bad, but to listen to the crazed feminist that is exactly what the truth is..

There has been a decline in the quality of the US family since the major feminist movement of the 70's. I'm not saying that this is the primary problem but it is a contributing factor, When women enmass went to work the families realized how much more they could buy and afford, than our society became more of "what more can I get" instead of what more can I do for my family. Men and woman are equally guilty in this repect because they stopped focusing on the quality of the family and started placing emphasis on how much they can amass to "keep up with the Jonses".

My wife and I decided that whoever could make the most to support our family would be the one to work and the other would stay home with the kids to raise them. In our home my wife made less so she stayed home. We are now at the point with kids being in school that she is working part time and love getting out and talking to other adults. Yes she sacrificed a lot for our family and I probably dont always give her the credit she deserves. We made sacrifices in a number of things we couldnt afford so no one had to "raise our kids for us" .

I still remember being taught to always open doors for women, take their coats, always have a hand ready to help, and to always walk on the outside curb when walking. I try to instill this in my own boys

You mean...*gasp!* Stereotypes can't be used as blanket models for all people in a given minority group? I'd have never figured that out on my own Nukeman! Thank you for opening my eyes to this confounding discovery! Oh, I'm just basking in the light of this revelation and quivering at the thought of the darkness I was engulfed in before reading your post! Thank you Nukeman. You've given me a new lease on life.

*edit* I forgot to add: Wonder of wonders!!!:eek:

Mr. P

10-23-2007, 12:40 PM

I think it was Enjoli...

Yep!

Nice to see ya Mom4!

JohnDoe

10-23-2007, 12:44 PM

Just so you know Trigg is a woman and great mother to her kids!!!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, OOOOOPS!

hahahaha, sorry for the gender mix up and I will have to reread it from that point of view!!!!! LMAO, ok then....sorry Trigg! I think I knew this, but honestly forgot!!!

jd

Nienna

10-23-2007, 12:47 PM

Yep!

Nice to see ya Mom4!

Nice to see you, too, Mr. P!

P.S. You can reply to my e-mail any time. ;)

Mr. P

10-23-2007, 12:50 PM

Nice to see you, too, Mr. P!

P.S. You can reply to my e-mail any time. ;)

Now yer gonna get em talk about 'us'! Shhhhhhh :laugh2:

Nukeman

10-23-2007, 12:51 PM

You mean...*gasp!* Stereotypes can't be used as blanket models for all people in a given minority group? I'd have never figured that out on my own Nukeman! Thank you for opening my eyes to this confounding discovery! Oh, I'm just basking in the light of this revelation and quivering at the thought of the darkness I was engulfed in before reading your post! Thank you Nukeman. You've given me a new lease on life.

*edit* I forgot to add: Wonder of wonders!!!:eek:

You are such a f***ing tool sometimes you know that:laugh2::poke:

mrg666

10-23-2007, 01:02 PM

and the point is ?
are you saying its a new phenominum and that by the week end thousands of children are going to be murdered by there mothers .
or do you mean that we have a few crazy men and woman in the world that do crazy things or that certain people just over load from time to time .
its a sad story but why try and tar a whole gender because of it was your mother that bad to you

Nienna

10-23-2007, 01:07 PM

Now yer gonna get em talk about 'us'! Shhhhhhh :laugh2:

Woops! Sorry I let that slip! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z04r_tlWdRs

Mr. P

10-23-2007, 01:52 PM

Woops! Sorry I let that slip! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z04r_tlWdRs

NOW YA DID IT! :laugh2:

KarlMarx

10-23-2007, 03:03 PM

femanists got women into the workforce with equal pay (mostly).

Uhhh.. no... women entered the work force because of economics, not because of the women's movement. I remember that, in the 1970s, many women got in the workforce to help make ends meet, not because Gloria Steinem encouraged them. The reason women entered the work force is because the work force needed them and that our economy had moved away from an agrarian/manufacturing economy (where many jobs required the physical strength of a man) to the present information economy.

The 1964 Civil Rights act also made it illegal to discriminate against women. That landmark legislation was passed less than a year after Betty Frieden's book "The Feminine Mystique", which is considered one of the works that launched the women's movement. I doubt very much that a single book had that kind of effect in less than a year.

No, I think the women's movement has been vastly over rated.

Trigg

10-23-2007, 04:27 PM

Trigg, I have worked with women that had the precise situation with their husbands... Where they had to do everything, including leaving their jobs to pick up there kids whenever they were sick at school, interupting their own careers, while thier husbands never did and treated them as though their careers were the lesser importance and their responsibility of being the "wife" and doing the wifely duties were still all hers. This situation does exist and I have been a witness to it of associates that I have worked with over the years.

But on the other hand I have viewed many married situations where the husband does kick in his fair share and some, of the so called wifely duties. This was the case with my own husband because my career was alot more hectic and demanding than his own, and without him I could not have been as successful and at ease with climbing the ladder, so to say and I will forever be grateful for his unduly support.

Yes, there are both types of men.

Do you see the men who help out around the house, pick up the kids and show an interrest in their lives portraid on TV?????????

Die hard femanists want women to think they don't need a man and are just like a man.

Like many groups they were needed. Women are now CEO's which wouldn't have happened in the past. We have much more support in the workplace. But there are those femanists who insult women who choose to stay home saying it's a waste. (I'll try to dig up the interview I'm talking about, not tonight though I have to much going on).

manu1959

10-23-2007, 04:42 PM

Let's compare the number of women who abuse their children against the number of women who abuse their children.

i say it is the same......

Said1

10-23-2007, 04:44 PM

Radical feminists suck.

The women's movement wasn't all bad. No, women can't have it all, but it certainly helped women become aware that there are choices.

Activitst who've fought for women to be classed as HUMAN'S by their governments did not waste their time nor did those who fought for my right to vote. VOTE. Someone fought for future generations of women to have a say in their government.

I could go on at length with respect to basic human rights where each and every person here shuns other countries - BUT it wasn't that long ago western women were treated in a similar fashion (although maybe not as extreme).

Nienna

10-23-2007, 04:48 PM

i say it is the same......

Manu, my six-year-old has just informed me that your avatar is not appropriate for children. Guess I better log off of here...

:)

manu1959

10-23-2007, 04:58 PM

Radical feminists suck.

actually they don't and therein lies the issue......

manu1959

10-23-2007, 05:00 PM

Manu, my six-year-old has just informed me that your avatar is not appropriate for children. Guess I better log off of here...

:)

my cardboard decoy?......it captures feminisim to a tee....

Nienna

10-23-2007, 05:04 PM

my cardboard decoy?......it captures feminisim to a tee....

No doubt! Thankfully, my son doesn't know much about feminists yet. :)

KarlMarx

10-24-2007, 05:56 AM

I just realized something....

Remember Afghanistan during the Taliban? Which president invaded that country and freed millions of women from oppression? How about Iraq during Saddam? Under that regime, millions of women were murdered, oppressed, tortured, raped, beaten, you name it....

Now, if any president has helped to advance the cause of women's rights in the Middle East, at least lately, it's been George W. Bush. So.... what does the NOW do? They opposed him on the war, they didn't support him politically... not even a compliment.... so much for the pretense of standing up for women's rights...

KarlMarx

10-24-2007, 06:06 AM

Let's compare the number of women who abuse their children against the number of women who abuse their children.
Ever hear of a woman sexually abusing a child? It happens with men all the time?
How many women run off and leave their pregnant spouses? Or just run off and leave their spouses to take care of their children?
You hear a lot about women stuck with a lot of kids. Not nearly as much criticism is leveled at men who have multiple kids by multiple women. Mostly because they are able to skip and run.

Stupid people (most likely bitter men who can't maintain marriages or relationships) need to stop pointing out singular cases and offering them as the norm. Don't blame us for your failures in life.

Hey silly, learn to read. No one is saying that ALL women are murderers. I was pointing out that not all women are nurturing (as feminists would have us believe) and not all men are brutes (as feminists would have us believe).

Also, women have sexually abused kids (read the papers)
Women have walked out of their kids lives, never to return (I personally know of two cases)
There are such things as deadbeat moms (I was married to one)

As far as "can't maintain relationships" and all that non-sense... you must think yourself a telepath or a psychic. You don't know me, or my circumstances, so quit with the assumptions, will you? I don't have to explain myself.

And furthermore... just because you're happily married for a couple of years doesn't mean anything (if I remember, you're just recently married and young).... wait until kids, and middle age set in. If you survive that, great. I hope that you prove me wrong for your yet to be born kids' sake. But don't be too confident.

diuretic

10-24-2007, 06:44 AM

my cardboard decoy?......it captures feminisim to a tee....

Damn, and I thought it was just about a homicidal maniac. D'oh! :poke:

KarlMarx

10-24-2007, 07:34 AM

Stupid people (most likely bitter men who can't maintain marriages or relationships) need to stop pointing out singular cases and offering them as the norm. Don't blame us for your failures in life.

One other point I'd like to make. I assume the above remark was directed at me. Like a typical feminist, the poster claims that "bitter men" as I supposedly am, "can't maintain marriages or relationships". The working word here is can't, as in "unable to".

The implication by this poster is that any failure that I have experienced , either in my marriage or in my other relationships with the opposite sex are solely because of me. Apparently, it hasn't occurred to the poster that it is quite possible that the other parties were also to blame for the failure. In some cases, the blame was much more deserved by the other party than myself.

That is what I mean by "typical feminist"... the attitude that the man is 100% to blame all the time and women are never to blame for anything.

interesting......

oh yes, and for quite some time I have been, and continue to be, in a mutually satisfying relationship with a woman.... her dog (a female labrador retriever) likes me too.