Iran’s Nuclear Program Can’t Be Bombed Out of Existence

[Gunny]

While technically correct, not sure I agree with the author. It most certainly can be bombed into irrelevancy. There's a difference between having a nuke or two and having hundreds. Leaving despotic regimes unchecked has certainly given the World N Korea because good men sat and watched and did nothing:rolleyes:

Iran’s Nuclear Program Can’t Be Bombed Out of Existence (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-s-nuclear-program-can-t-be-bombed-out-of-existence/ar-AA1trnM4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=8b37aaa94eb64cfcbb25c1dfd6720f24&ei=48)

[revelarts]

While technically correct, not sure I agree with the author. It most certainly can be bombed into irrelevancy. There's a difference between having a nuke or two and having hundreds. Leaving despotic regimes unchecked has certainly given the World N Korea because good men sat and watched and did nothing:rolleyes:

Iran’s Nuclear Program Can’t Be Bombed Out of Existence (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-s-nuclear-program-can-t-be-bombed-out-of-existence/ar-AA1trnM4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=8b37aaa94eb64cfcbb25c1dfd6720f24&ei=48)

So PRE-EMPTIVE war? Again.
Or just a few targeted strategic strikes?

Or as it's called when Russia does it... an aggressive evil attack on a sovereign foreign country by a Bad Actor... who wants to dominant the world.

[Gunny]

So PRE-EMPTIVE war? Again.
Or just a few targeted strategic strikes?

Or as it's called when Russia does it... an aggressive evil attack on a sovereign foreign country by a Bad Actor... who wants to dominant the world.

Only if you cannot differentiate between the light and darkness:rolleyes:

[Black Diamond]

Israel should knock it out if possible. May have to wait a couple months??

[Black Diamond]

While technically correct, not sure I agree with the author. It most certainly can be bombed into irrelevancy. There's a difference between having a nuke or two and having hundreds. Leaving despotic regimes unchecked has certainly given the World N Korea because good men sat and watched and did nothing:rolleyes:

Iran’s Nuclear Program Can’t Be Bombed Out of Existence (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-s-nuclear-program-can-t-be-bombed-out-of-existence/ar-AA1trnM4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=8b37aaa94eb64cfcbb25c1dfd6720f24&ei=48)

Seems to be saying they can knock it back several years.

[Black Diamond]

So PRE-EMPTIVE war? Again.
Or just a few targeted strategic strikes?

Or as it's called when Russia does it... an aggressive evil attack on a sovereign foreign country by a Bad Actor... who wants to dominant the world.

If Israel hits them i don't agree that it would be preemptive. Blood was drawn on 10/7

[revelarts]

Only if you cannot differentiate between the light and darkness:rolleyes:
Which end the barrel you're standing on?
What story we use to justify our actions?

[Black Diamond]

Which end the barrel you're standing on?
What story we use to justify our actions?

They tried to assassinate trump. I don't know if that would play into it. Trump hasn't exactly shown himself to be Bill Kristol.

[Gunny]

Which end the barrel you're standing on?
What story we use to justify our actions?

Definitely not your good-guy hating ones. I'll never get why you think we are the bad guys. No, we aren't perfect. That's still head and shoulders above these murderous despots trying to kill their way into ruling the World.

Guess what? Without them, you could get your isolationist wish because there would be no need for alliances and wars. Instead, you would rather embolden them by pretending they aren't there and up to no good.

[Gunny]

If Israel hits them i don't agree that it would be preemptive. Blood was drawn on 10/7

Agreed. This whole "we must retaliate" to retaliation schtick is just so much smoke:rolleyes:


Seems to be saying they can knock it back several years.

They could. Have to weigh the pro's and con's.


They tried to assassinate trump. I don't know if that would play into it. Trump hasn't exactly shown himself to be Bill Kristol.

Don't know that it is relevant. Trump prefers to fight with a checkbook like any good neolib. The dollar is everything. Except when it doesn't work. Iran, Russia and N Korea are STILL in business despite decades long sanctions. Those last two idiot Dem Presidents haven't helped much by giving them money. Regardless, they've been under sanctions so long they probably wouldn't know what to do if they were lifted.

Not proposing anything one way or the other, just stating fact: the only thing that has historically curtailed expansionist, radical Muslims was kill and contain. They're like fire ants.

[Black Diamond]

Definitely not your good-guy hating ones. I'll never get why you think we are the bad guys. No, we aren't perfect. That's still head and shoulders above these murderous despots trying to kill their way into ruling the World.

Guess what? Without them, you could get your isolationist wish because there would be no need for alliances and wars. Instead, you would rather embolden them by pretending they aren't there and up to no good.

Iran is frightening because they are driven by religion. Are you familiar this 12th imam stuff in shiite Islam?

[Gunny]

Iran is frightening because they are driven by religion. Are you familiar this 12th imam stuff in shiite Islam?Specifically, no. What I am aware of is that anyone, regardless religion, race, gender or what have you that is willing to kill themselves to kill you is frightening. If they don't value their own lives there is nothing to negotiate. The only thing you can do is kill them.

In the context of Iran, I could care less what they do within the confines of their own borders. That isn't their goal at all. The only reason they haven't moved past Israel onto greener pastures is they can't get past Israel. The shia's original war in with the Sunni and any other sect not Shia-blessed.

[Black Diamond]

Agreed. This whole "we must retaliate" to retaliation schtick is just so much smoke:rolleyes:



They could. Have to weigh the pro's and con's.



Don't know that it is relevant. Trump prefers to fight with a checkbook like any good neolib. The dollar is everything. Except when it doesn't work. Iran, Russia and N Korea are STILL in business despite decades long sanctions. Those last two idiot Dem Presidents haven't helped much by giving them money. Regardless, they've been under sanctions so long they probably wouldn't know what to do if they were lifted.

Not proposing anything one way or the other, just stating fact: the only thing that has historically curtailed expansionist, radical Muslims was kill and contain. They're like fire ants.
Another thing to consider. The world is different from when trump left office. How is he going to act now?

[revelarts]

Definitely not your good-guy hating ones. I'll never get why you think we are the bad guys. No, we aren't perfect. That's still head and shoulders above these murderous despots trying to kill their way into ruling the World.

Guess what? Without them, you could get your isolationist wish because there would be no need for alliances and wars. Instead, you would rather embolden them by pretending they aren't there and up to no good.

You assume the worst of my POV, almost as extremely as you seem to assume the very worse POV of Iran.

You assume i think we're the bad guy.
No, I think we, to often, do BAD things. Like when we attack nations, destroying their property, killing their military & civilians because of what we ASSume they MIGHT DO one day maybe.
It's not a hard distinction to make.
If you have a dog that loves your family but it randomly bites people it THINKS might hurt you. Sure in it general "it's a good dog"... at home. But on the street it's being a BAD DOG when it bites people that look at the family sideways but have YET to do anything to them.
A growl is more than enough in most cases. And barking like a maniac at certain neighbors doesn't make for the best relations.

I don't think the Iranian leadership is good.
But I don't think they are all cartoonishly suicidal. Or that they have any real delusions or plans to rule the world. They have enough trouble ruling their own country.
And I don't think that the civilians deserve to be punished for their leadership. As mentioned in another thread, many Iranian people are not very happy with the leadership or the mulahs. They are not looking forward to the 12th iman or suicide into virgins arms.
There is room for negotiation. According to some officials and insiders there's been room for decades. In a "Kissinger CAN go to China" way. It's the Neo-Cons in the state dept & military (& folks like Netenyahu) who've been painting this one dimensional picture of Iran as a dangerous WORLD LEVELING UNREASONING threat that's about rain Hell down on us any minute IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING!.
Ginning up fears since 1979. Since our puppet, the Shaw, was overthrown. think about it, we've been told that Iran has been on the knifes edge of killing us all & taking over the world... for like 40 plus years? really?
To me it seems like the neo-cons & neolibs simply don't like ANY nation that does not scrape and bow to the will of the U.S. power elites in general, & who dont hand over it's oil & other resources on demand.
BAD DOG! sit!

[Gunny]

You assume the worst of my POV, almost as extremely as you seem to assume the very worse POV of Iran.

You assume i think we're the bad guy.
No, I think we, to often, do BAD things. Like when we attack nations, destroying their property, killing their military & civilians because of what we ASSume they MIGHT DO one day maybe.
It's not a hard distinction to make.
If you have a dog that loves your family but it randomly bites people it THINKS might hurt you. Sure in it general "it's a good dog"... at home. But on the street it's being a BAD DOG when it bites people that look at the family sideways but have YET to do anything to them.
A growl is more than enough in most cases. And barking like a maniac at certain neighbors doesn't make for the best relations.

I don't think the Iranian leadership is good.
But I don't think they are all cartoonishly suicidal. Or that they have any real delusions or plans to rule the world. They have enough trouble ruling their own country.
And I don't think that the civilians deserve to be punished for their leadership. As mentioned in another thread, many Iranian people are not very happy with the leadership or the mulahs. They are not looking forward to the 12th iman or suicide into virgins arms.
There is room for negotiation. According to some officials and insiders there's been room for decades. In a "Kissinger CAN go to China" way. It's the Neo-Cons in the state dept & military (& folks like Netenyahu) who've been painting this one dimensional picture of Iran as a dangerous WORLD LEVELING UNREASONING threat that's about rain Hell down on us any minute IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING!.
Ginning up fears since 1979. Since our puppet, the Shaw, was overthrown. think about it, we've been told that Iran has been on the knifes edge of killing us all & taking over the world... for like 40 plus years? really?
To me it seems like the neo-cons & neolibs simply don't like ANY nation that does not scrape and bow to the will of the U.S. power elites in general, & who dont hand over it's oil & other resources on demand.
BAD DOG! sit!:rolleyes: