IRS now unconstitutionally Spying on people's bank accounts with AI.

[revelarts]

IRS used AI to spy on American Citizens.


Rep. Harriet Hageman: "What we have learned is that the IRS, in fact, has been using AI to access bank accounts of American citizens without any kind of a search warrant or even without any specific claim that they have committed a crime.

So this was something that was discovered by an undercover journalist, and what they found is that the IRS has claimed that they have access to every single person's bank account. This person also indicated that they've been working with the Department of Justice and that they have absolutely no problem whatsoever going after the little guy to make sure that they are paying their taxes.

This is such a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment that we have, Jim Jordan and I sent a letter to the IRS demanding that they provide additional information about what they are doing with AI and what they are doing to protect the civil rights of American citizens."


IRS using artificial intelligence to make sure people aren't playing the system
CBS news
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/irs-using-artificial-intelligence-ai-taxes/



James OKeefe
Vigilantfox
https://vigilantnews.com/post/watch-okeefe-strikes-again-irs-admits-using-ai-to-spy-on-bank-accounts/
WATCH: O’Keefe Strikes Again – IRS Admits Using AI to Spy on Bank Accounts
Is it Constitutional? “I doubt it,” says IRS official Alex Mena.
Via O’Keefe Media Group:

An unwitting Internal Revenue Service whistleblower recently revealed to O’Keefe Media Group how the IRS uses artificial intelligence technology to spy on bank accounts of American companies and American citizens “nationwide.”
In fact, this artificial intelligence technology is so useful to the IRS’s spying operation that “in six months, they were able to capture half a billion dollars,” according to our subject.
When asked if it was constitutional for the government to search Americans’ bank records without a warrant, Alex Mena, an IRS official with the criminal investigations unit in New York, told our undercover reporter, “I doubt it,” and laughed the question off. “It’s crazy,” he added. While agreeing that this kind of spying with AI is invasive, Mena said, “a lot of people are like not happy with it.”


The "if you have nothing to hide" theory of govt surveillance works fine on suspected terrorist ...and every citizen's phone call & email... why not here?
But i'm sure the republicans are working hard to fix all of it. They love the constitution so much.

[Gunny]

IRS used AI to spy on American Citizens.

Rep. Harriet Hageman: "What we have learned is that the IRS, in fact, has been using AI to access bank accounts of American citizens without any kind of a search warrant or even without any specific claim that they have committed a crime.

So this was something that was discovered by an undercover journalist, and what they found is that the IRS has claimed that they have access to every single person's bank account. This person also indicated that they've been working with the Department of Justice and that they have absolutely no problem whatsoever going after the little guy to make sure that they are paying their taxes.

This is such a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment that we have, Jim Jordan and I sent a letter to the IRS demanding that they provide additional information about what they are doing with AI and what they are doing to protect the civil rights of American citizens."


IRS using artificial intelligence to make sure people aren't playing the system
CBS news
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/irs-using-artificial-intelligence-ai-taxes/



James OKeefe
Vigilantfox
https://vigilantnews.com/post/watch-okeefe-strikes-again-irs-admits-using-ai-to-spy-on-bank-accounts/
WATCH: O’Keefe Strikes Again – IRS Admits Using AI to Spy on Bank Accounts
Is it Constitutional? “I doubt it,” says IRS official Alex Mena.
Via O’Keefe Media Group:
An unwitting Internal Revenue Service whistleblower recently revealed to O’Keefe Media Group how the IRS uses artificial intelligence technology to spy on bank accounts of American companies and American citizens “nationwide.”
In fact, this artificial intelligence technology is so useful to the IRS’s spying operation that “in six months, they were able to capture half a billion dollars,” according to our subject.
When asked if it was constitutional for the government to search Americans’ bank records without a warrant, Alex Mena, an IRS official with the criminal investigations unit in New York, told our undercover reporter, “I doubt it,” and laughed the question off. “It’s crazy,” he added. While agreeing that this kind of spying with AI is invasive, Mena said, “a lot of people are like not happy with it.”


The "if you have nothing to hide" theory of govt surveillance works fine on suspected terrorist ...and every citizen's phone call & email... why not here?
But i'm sure the republicans are working hard to fix all of it. They love the constitution so much.

If you file and receive your tax returns electronically, the IRS has your account number. They have always had the authority the freeze your account, or deduct whatever the Hell they want. You can argue about it later in court if you can find some money it hasn't frozen or taken away.

They rival any terrorist organization. You don't have to physically kill people to destroy them.

[revelarts]

If you file and receive your tax returns electronically, the IRS has your account number. They have always had the authority the freeze your account, or deduct whatever the Hell they want. You can argue about it later in court if you can find some money it hasn't frozen or taken away.

They rival any terrorist organization. You don't have to physically kill people to destroy them.

They already had unconstitutional authority so why should anyone complain if they assume more.
Seems to be the trend for the past 20+ years.

the difference in the proverbial Boiling Frog and Americans is that the Frog never knew what was happening. While we see the temp being turned up a few degrees and say stuff like 'weelllll it was almost this hot a few minutes ago anyway'.

wouldn't have to kill people just fire loads, a few legal executive orders & change the law.

Ron Paul wanted to get rid of it all together but that was to radically constitutional.

[Gunny]

They already had unconstitutional authority so why should anyone complain if they assume more.
Seems to be the trend for the past 20+ years.

the difference in the proverbial Boiling Frog and Americans is that the Frog never knew what was happening. While we see the temp being turned up a few degrees and say stuff like 'weelllll it was almost this hot a few minutes ago anyway'.

wouldn't have to kill people just fire loads, a few legal executive orders & change the law.

Ron Paul wanted to get rid of it all together but that was to radically constitutional.

Who does or does not see it or chooses to or not to see it, takes a back seat to people not caring. I/Me can't do anything about it but do what I'm told and not make too much noise or I/Me will be punished by whatever means the powers that be have word smithed to being legal.

Ron Paul was/is a crackpot.

As far as the rest, it takes a team to win a game and the Republicans/conservatives/independents are the worst team players on the block. Fixated on individual Rights above any and all else, they refuse to entertain any notion of coming together on thee things they can agree about at least long enough to win. It is THE reason they've been sitting on the outside looking in most of time in most cases the past 20 years.

You don't get to make the rules if you aren't in power. The people in power do, and they can take away anything they want, as has been proven time and again. Because they have the power. It starts there.

So all we really have to do is wonder how many rights/freedoms we'll have left before all the "I/Me's" snap to the fact that teamwork wins. Hopefully before they lose the right to even oppose the other side.

[revelarts]

Who does or does not see it or chooses to or not to see it, takes a back seat to people not caring. I/Me can't do anything about it but do what I'm told and not make too much noise or I/Me will be punished by whatever means the powers that be have word smithed to being legal.

Ron Paul was/is a crackpot.

As far as the rest, it takes a team to win a game and the Republicans/conservatives/independents are the worst team players on the block. Fixated on individual Rights above any and all else, they refuse to entertain any notion of coming together on thee things they can agree about at least long enough to win. It is THE reason they've been sitting on the outside looking in most of time in most cases the past 20 years.

You don't get to make the rules if you aren't in power. The people in power do, and they can take away anything they want, as has been proven time and again. Because they have the power. It starts there.

So all we really have to do is wonder how many rights/freedoms we'll have left before all the "I/Me's" snap to the fact that teamwork wins. Hopefully before they lose the right to even oppose the other side.

just like the founders right?
they decided they couldn't do anything against the power
then sat and wondered how many rights they'd have left.
from what i understand it was less than 20% of the people that actually moved against the British empire in the American colonies. Seems they didn't always agree on everything either.
Some were even regarded as crazy or crackpots.

But hey, we have to help Ukraine though, for their freedoms & rights? that's a worthy fight to have? that's winnable? we should all care.
But we have to do what we're told here, and just take whatever the govt gives us?
Not even peaceful protest or Non-Compliance or the Courts are worth the effort.
And all our guns are only to shoot our sketchy scumbag neighbors i guess.


concerning other countries freedom i do think it's important as well, I guess my thinking is more along the lines of the advice given on the airplane for an emergency. Make sure your own mask is on & secure before you try and help others.

[revelarts]

Milei Shuts Down Argentina's Tax Agency
AFIP is an "unnecessary bureaucracy" that stifles economic freedom, says Milei's government.
Reason Magazine
https://reason.com/2024/10/22/milei-shuts-down-argentinas-tax-agency/


Argentine President Javier Milei announced plans to shut down the country's tax collection agency, a bold step in his ongoing effort to slash government spending and bureaucracy.

On Monday, presidential spokesperson Manuel Adorni confirmed that the Administración Federal de Ingresos Públicos (AFIP), Argentina's tax bureau, will "cease to exist." It will be replaced by a newly formed agency, the Agencia de Recaudación y Control Aduanero (ARCA), which will assume some of its functions.

"Throughout its existence, this agency has functioned as a political cash box and, as we all know, many Argentines have been subjected to absolutely immoral persecutions," Adorni's statement reads. "No State bureaucrat should be delegated the power to tell an Argentinean what to do with his property."

The closure of AFIP is framed as "essential to dismantle the unnecessary bureaucracy that has hindered the economic and commercial freedom of Argentines." ARCA, the new agency, will embody a "simple, more efficient, less costly, and less bureaucratic" approach to tax collection and customs control.

ARCA "aims to reduce the State, eliminate unnecessary positions, professionalize the agency, dismantle corrupt networks, and improve the efficiency of revenue collection and customs control by removing privileges of the past and optimizing public management," the statement continues. ...


Seems 1 other country is at least trying to get a handle on it's overbearing tax agency and other bureaucracy.

[Gunny]

just like the founders right?
they decided they couldn't do anything against the power
then sat and wondered how many rights they'd have left.
from what i understand it was less than 20% of the people that actually moved against the British empire in the American colonies. Seems they didn't always agree on everything either.
Some were even regarded as crazy or crackpots.

But hey, we have to help Ukraine though, for their freedoms & rights? that's a worthy fight to have? that's winnable? we should all care.
But we have to do what we're told here, and just take whatever the govt gives us?
Not even peaceful protest or Non-Compliance or the Courts are worth the effort.
And all our guns are only to shoot our sketchy scumbag neighbors i guess.


concerning other countries freedom i do think it's important as well, I guess my thinking is more along the lines of the advice given on the airplane for an emergency. Make sure your own mask is on & secure before you try and help others.

Are you calling for armed rebellion against the US government? That's what the Founders did. Armed rebellion against the King of England, the legitimately recognized government of its American colonies. They didn't get to make the rules until after they committed armed treason.

The military is usually somewhere around 20% of the population. More or less.

You're missing the point. People who cannot come together and operate as a team against a team that has that one attribute to its credit will ALWAYS be on the outside looking in. Can't change the rules if you aren't in charge. Didn't I already say that? It isn't any more difficult than that no matter how many gopher holes you want to try routing it through.

[revelarts]

Are you calling for armed rebellion against the US government? That's what the Founders did. ...
Not at the start.
Initially... for years... they were trying to TALK to the British gov't about the freedoms that British citizens expected.
Then there was added various forms of protest & non compliance. Peaceful and then not so peaceful , like the Tea party and tarring and feathering & the like of certain officials.
excerpt From Patrick Henry's speech
...And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight!...


Most people in the US are still willing to go along with all losses of freedoms and wonder what some of us are complaining about.
the public hasn't even really started to complain.
Who's really complaining about gov't spying on citizens at this point? Censorship? Warrantless search of homes & cars, police check points "your papers please" etc etc.?
Armed rebellion is a last resort not a 1st option.
As you've said more people need to be on the same page.
But not everyone, just a determined few. Civil Rights was won peacefully, Gandhi won independence from the crown peacefully. the feds would LOVE to make the rebellion for our rights today a violent one. they have infiltrated peaceful groups, put the defiant on watchlist and call everyone a "domestic terrorist" who don't comply with the state. They instigate violence to try and marginalize the protest & protesters.
And they to gaslight us that there's NOTHING wrong.


But more people are seeing through it.
bottom line I don't think there's a need for violence.
significant noncompliance would shut down most of the unconstitutional BS.

[Gunny]

Not at the start.
Initially... for years... they were trying to TALK to the British gov't about the freedoms that British citizens expected.
Then there was added various forms of protest & non compliance. Peaceful and then not so peaceful , like the Tea party and tarring and feathering & the like of certain officials.
excerpt From Patrick Henry's speech
...And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight!...


Most people in the US are still willing to go along with all losses of freedoms and wonder what some of us are complaining about.
the public hasn't even really started to complain.
Who's really complaining about gov't spying on citizens at this point? Censorship? Warrantless search of homes & cars, police check points "your papers please" etc etc.?
Armed rebellion is a last resort not a 1st option.
As you've said more people need to be on the same page.
But not everyone, just a determined few. Civil Rights was won peacefully, Gandhi won independence from the crown peacefully. the feds would LOVE to make the rebellion for our rights today a violent one. they have infiltrated peaceful groups, put the defiant on watchlist and call everyone a "domestic terrorist" who don't comply with the state. They instigate violence to try and marginalize the protest & protesters.
And they to gaslight us that there's NOTHING wrong.


But more people are seeing through it.
bottom line I don't think there's a need for violence.
significant noncompliance would shut down most of the unconstitutional BS.Thank you for making my point :)

The only relevance to the pre-fluff is those for armed rebellion had to convince enough people for they were being wronged and to commit treason in hope of winning and having something better. Like, instead of paying taxes to George III you could now pay them to the US Government:rolleyes:

You are making my point. Unless you have some plan for mass enlightenment. That would require people to think and act. IN UNISON. That would be a complete reversal of the downhill trend we're on where everyone is so afraid because of government that government is going to take away their "stuff" that they don't dare speak out. The individuals who do and become actual problems, government singles out and culls from the herd.

There aren't more people seeing through anything. If anything, less. People remind me anymore of the people wandering around in the Matrix. Content in their obliviousness.