This Is The Result Of The Lies, Incompetencies, and Corruption of This Administration

[Kathianne]

I'm not buying, but I'm not dismissing. Go to site for comparative video:

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/10/15/is-the-government-hiding-deaths-from-hurricane-helene-n3795829


Is the Government Hiding Deaths from Hurricane Helene? Almost CertainlyDavid Strom 12:00 PM | October 15, 2024



AP Photo/Mike Stewart
I have absolutely no proof that this is the case, but I strongly believe that the government of North Carolina and FEMA are hiding the real death toll from Hurricane Helene.


Perhaps I am too cynical. Perhaps the difficulty of reaching remote areas is just too great to recover missing bodies. Perhaps... There are lots of perhapses that one can dream up, but the fact is that the number of missing people is unknown, and has been since the storm hit on September 26th.


That's nearly three weeks.


The death toll has remained relatively steady, with a few people added every once in a while as their bodies are recovered. But after 19 days nobody can say how many people are missing. That's very odd.


It’s impossible to determine exactly how many people were reported lost in Helene’s aftermath — or how many haven’t been found. The American Red Cross has received more than 9,000 reunification requests from family members searching for loved ones, but the nonprofit declined to say how many of those requests had been resolved. The federal government does not maintain a comprehensive list of storm-related missing-person reports, and the majority of counties do not publicly release those numbers.


Since the hurricane hit, I have expected the death toll to rise to somewhere in the four-figure range, but the reported figure is in the 230ish range. Of course, my expectation could have been way off, but with whole towns wiped off the map and many people living in the valleys of Appalachia, where communications lines are down, and roads washed away, untold numbers of people are missing.


With 9,000 reunification requests--and many people live with or near their families and don't have connections outside the region they live in, there are many unreported missing persons--the Red Cross refuses to specify how many people have been reunited. How many of those people are just missing, and how many are dead?


Nobody is giving us a hint. We read about individual stories in the sparse news being spoonfed to us from a hurricane, but little real reporting about the recovery efforts. Instead, we get bombarded with warnings about "misinformation" and warnings not to trust any news not coming from the MSM and the federal government.




Speaker Mike Johnson just posted about how CBS cut out most of his answer to a question about Helene in order to make the Biden administration look better and more competent, and that seems to be the theme of the month: coverups of Harris and Biden failures through selective editing.




With perhaps over 10,000 missing people--we just don't know the real number--there is zero chance that the death toll is so relatively low. We have seen the pictures. We know that tens of thousands of people did not or could not evacuate. We know that search and rescue took far too long to reach people. And we know that lots of remote areas were totally wiped out, under 15 feet or more of water.




I don't know how many people died in Helene, but I am sure we are not seeing much of the truth. Helene gets a bit of coverage, but much of it is about how misinformation is being spread.


No doubt there is plenty of misinformation, but some of that is because precious little information is being released. Things are much, much worse than we are being told. How much worse? I have no idea because social media is the only place where much can be found, and social media is raw--you only see what people post, and people post things for a variety or reasons. They are anecdotes, not synthesized information.


I believe--and this is my impression and not reporting--that we are being gaslit. Our government knows much more than they are saying, and what they know is that a bigger catastrophe happened than we have been told.


That is an inconvenient truth at this point in a campaign cycle, so the media and the government are downplaying things.

[Gunny]

I wouldn't be all that surprised if this Admin did something this stupid. On the other hand, I'm doubtful. A lot more to lose than gain from doing it. Hurricanes kill people. There's your patsy.

[Kathianne]

I wouldn't be all that surprised if this Admin did something this stupid. On the other hand, I'm doubtful. A lot more to lose than gain from doing it. Hurricanes kill people. There's your patsy.

Did I read it wrong? I don't think there was an accusation of killing anyone. Rather hiding found corpses. There's way too many missing.

[fj1200]

^Hiding or all just still buried? I remember the aftermath of 9/11; The number was in the tens of thousands and slowly came down as people confirmed that they had made it. Seems now it's just going up as confirmation is received and is inherently a slow process.

[Gunny]

Did I read it wrong? I don't think there was an accusation of killing anyone. Rather hiding found corpses. There's way too many missing.

You read it right. I don't see any reason why they would hide bodies. What's to gain? Especially if the fact the people are missing is already in the news? That area is rural, remote and inaccessible. If those bodies are scattered all over Chimney Rock they'll be digging them from now on.

[Gunny]

^Hiding or all just still buried? I remember the aftermath of 9/11; The number was in the tens of thousands and slowly came down as people confirmed that they had made it. Seems now it's just going up as confirmation is received and is inherently a slow process.

They're probably still buried, or down every crack and crevice the Cumberlands has to offer.

[Kathianne]

You read it right. I don't see any reason why they would hide bodies. What's to gain? Especially if the fact the people are missing is already in the news? That area is rural, remote and inaccessible. If those bodies are scattered all over Chimney Rock they'll be digging them from now on.

FEMA fail

[Gunny]

FEMA failLast report I saw 92 are missing. That doesn't sound all that extraordinary to me given the size of the storm and where it hit, FEMA or no. They've got Army from Bragg out searching too.

FEMA being a failure is a given. It's part of the bureaucracy and under Mayorkas. He can't even find illegal aliens walking across the Rio Grande:rolleyes:

[revelarts]

Not sure if this report is 100% ,
It's just one source, but it's not beyond the pale of govt action.

Earlier this month (October, 2024), we published a report from Hannah Stutts, the owner of JAKS Stables in Western North Carolina, where she serves as the dispatch of relief efforts in isolated towns that still need help after the devastation following Hurricane Helene, where they had distributed over 10,000 body bags, and still needed more. see Link (https://healthimpactnews.com/2024/10000-body-bags-were-not-enough-updates-from-on-the-ground-in-north-carolina-disaster-relief/)

Hannah just published an update where she states that Red Cross shelters are now closing down and forcing homeless families out, and that North Carolina Department of Social Services (DSS) is threatening to take their children away from them if they have nowhere to go.

If you’re wondering why the State of North Carolina wants to take these children into custody and place them into the Foster Care system, while doing NOTHING for the parents, the answer is that there is MASSIVE state and federal funding that creates a huge motive to seize these children, while very little to no funding is available to help their parents, especially with housing issues like this.

The Foster Care and Adoption business in the U.S. creates huge financial incentives to local governments to take children into custody, and if they do not meet their quota of children taken into custody, they lose out on that funding.

And when a disaster strikes, such as this hurricane, even MORE federal funding is allocated.

Much of the funding available to child welfare services is through “mental health”, where “free” mental health services are often made available to families in distress, and once you are attached to a “mental health” label, you can basically kiss your life goodbye, because now you are in the government’s database with a legal mental health diagnosis, which they can use to either take your children away, or even put YOU away because now you have a “mental illness” diagnosis.

That funding for “mental health” increases in times of disasters.

In North Carolina, it was just announced that the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services received $2.9 million in federal funding to help increase “crisis counseling services for people impacted by Hurricane Helene.”

The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services today announced $2.9 million in federal funding to help increase crisis counseling services for people impacted by Hurricane Helene.

The funding is part of the Crisis Counseling Assistance and Training Program administered by the U. S. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), which is available to states to address behavioral health care needs and support relief for people in disaster-impacted communities. (Source.)
So even if homeless hurricane survivors are not in a shelter that is now closing down, if a “mental health” worker comes to interview them, and the homeless disaster survivor pours out their heart to a “mental health” professional including how hard it is to take care of their children, they will have a solution for you, but it is probably one you are not going to like, as you could lose your children forever to the U.S. child trafficking system known as “foster care and adoption.”...

https://healthimpactnews.com/2024/north-carolina-child-protection-services-threatening-to-seize-children-from-parents-in-red-cross-shelters-that-are-shutting-down/



Also in the video report she mentions people who are living on their own property in tents & such because their homes are unlivable or completely destroyed. And there are people who are donating Campers, Mobile Homes & "Tiny Homes" to people in the area but city &/or state officials are hindering them because they want the homes "approved" with permits etc by the govt before use.


****Please Note! I do not endorse "everything" found at the site referenced here. It may be a bit more accurate than CNN or MSNBC is some areas and in other areas it's may be worse.****
As with any "source", take the meat & leave the bones.

[Gunny]

Not sure if this report is 100% ,
It's just one source, but it's not beyond the pale of govt action.

Earlier this month (October, 2024), we published a report from Hannah Stutts, the owner of JAKS Stables in Western North Carolina, where she serves as the dispatch of relief efforts in isolated towns that still need help after the devastation following Hurricane Helene, where they had distributed over 10,000 body bags, and still needed more. see Link (https://healthimpactnews.com/2024/10000-body-bags-were-not-enough-updates-from-on-the-ground-in-north-carolina-disaster-relief/)

Hannah just published an update where she states that Red Cross shelters are now closing down and forcing homeless families out, and that North Carolina Department of Social Services (DSS) is threatening to take their children away from them if they have nowhere to go.

If you’re wondering why the State of North Carolina wants to take these children into custody and place them into the Foster Care system, while doing NOTHING for the parents, the answer is that there is MASSIVE state and federal funding that creates a huge motive to seize these children, while very little to no funding is available to help their parents, especially with housing issues like this.

The Foster Care and Adoption business in the U.S. creates huge financial incentives to local governments to take children into custody, and if they do not meet their quota of children taken into custody, they lose out on that funding.

And when a disaster strikes, such as this hurricane, even MORE federal funding is allocated.

Much of the funding available to child welfare services is through “mental health”, where “free” mental health services are often made available to families in distress, and once you are attached to a “mental health” label, you can basically kiss your life goodbye, because now you are in the government’s database with a legal mental health diagnosis, which they can use to either take your children away, or even put YOU away because now you have a “mental illness” diagnosis.

That funding for “mental health” increases in times of disasters.

In North Carolina, it was just announced that the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services received $2.9 million in federal funding to help increase “crisis counseling services for people impacted by Hurricane Helene.”

The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services today announced $2.9 million in federal funding to help increase crisis counseling services for people impacted by Hurricane Helene.

The funding is part of the Crisis Counseling Assistance and Training Program administered by the U. S. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), which is available to states to address behavioral health care needs and support relief for people in disaster-impacted communities. (Source.)
So even if homeless hurricane survivors are not in a shelter that is now closing down, if a “mental health” worker comes to interview them, and the homeless disaster survivor pours out their heart to a “mental health” professional including how hard it is to take care of their children, they will have a solution for you, but it is probably one you are not going to like, as you could lose your children forever to the U.S. child trafficking system known as “foster care and adoption.”...

https://healthimpactnews.com/2024/north-carolina-child-protection-services-threatening-to-seize-children-from-parents-in-red-cross-shelters-that-are-shutting-down/



Also in the video report she mentions people who are living on their own property in tents & such because their homes are unlivable or completely destroyed. And there are people who are donating Campers, Mobile Homes & "Tiny Homes" to people in the area but city &/or state officials are hindering them because they want the homes "approved" with permits etc by the govt before use.


****Please Note! I do not endorse "everything" found at the site referenced here. It may be a bit more accurate than CNN or MSNBC is some areas and in other areas it's may be worse.****
As with any "source", take the meat & leave the bones.

I will go back to Kathianne's original thread title. There is probably nothing more than the usual incompetency by the usual suspects going on. But their lies and incompetence has created an atmosphere where everyone expects the worse and the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

If the state offers temporary foster care for children left homeless and their parents unemployed, and it's going to take time to get back on their feet, I see it as the state trying to help. Like everything else, there's good and bad people involved.

[revelarts]

I will go back to Kathianne's original thread title. There is probably nothing more than the usual incompetency by the usual suspects going on. But their lies and incompetence has created an atmosphere where everyone expects the worse and the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

If the state offers temporary foster care for children left homeless and their parents unemployed, and it's going to take time to get back on their feet, I see it as the state trying to help. Like everything else, there's good and bad people involved.

I can understand the state wanting to OFFER help. that's as it should be.
My problem is if the state is taking people's children when the parents aren't asking for that kinda "help".
That's what the women seems to be saying is happening in somme cases.

She said the Red Cross has closed 3 shelters , where people left homeless by the storm were living. Now they are homeless and without a shelter and the gov't says 'Hi, It looks like you're homeless, we'll help you... by taking your kids away from you too.'


Not sure if the Red Cross has a 30 day limit for emergency use shelter or something. But I'll give them the benny of the doubt for a good excuse.
But all i can hope about the govt move is that I hope the report is false.

[Gunny]

I can understand the state wanting to OFFER help. that's as it should be.
My problem is if the state is taking people's children when the parents aren't asking for that kinda "help".
That's what the women seems to be saying is happening in somme cases.

She said the Red Cross has closed 3 shelters , where people left homeless by the storm were living. Now they are homeless and without a shelter and the gov't says 'Hi, It looks like you're homeless, we'll help you... by taking your kids away from you too.'


Not sure if the Red Cross has a 30 day limit for emergency use shelter or something. But I'll give them the benny of the doubt for a good excuse.
But all i can hope about the govt move is that I hope the report is false.

Child Welfare Services (CPS here) are part of the bureaucracy and IMO akin to Gestapo in their tactics. They take children first, then ask questions. Have to justify their existence:rolleyes: Just an accusation will get you investigated.

Foster care is part of that, but not really on the investigative side. Foster care is not always a punitive move. When I was playing Grandpa Daycare until my grandson started school, I met several foster care providers walking around the block. They were good people for the most part. Whatever they got paid to take on other peoples' issues isn't enough, IMO.

The horror stories about CPS have been around as far back as I can remember. When I was a LCpl, a couple my ex worked with had a kid. She always looked dirty. Was her complexion. But their next door neighbor didn't like them and reported them to CA CPS and they took the kid. Ten they had to somehow prove their innocence:rolleyes:

It sucks but it is the system used by most states I know of. Better safe than sorry is their motto. At least here, they investigate. In CA, they seized the kid first.

Having said all that, put yourself in the shoes of the parents. Assuming they don't have relatives they can count on to at least take the kids. Do you keep your kids homeless and possibly unfed with you while you try to get our shit back together, or do you chance them being cared for -- fed, clothed and sheltered -- by the state? Hard choice, IMO.

[revelarts]

Child Welfare Services (CPS here) are part of the bureaucracy and IMO akin to Gestapo in their tactics. They take children first, then ask questions. Have to justify their existence:rolleyes: Just an accusation will get you investigated.

Foster care is part of that, but not really on the investigative side. Foster care is not always a punitive move. When I was playing Grandpa Daycare until my grandson started school, I met several foster care providers walking around the block. They were good people for the most part. Whatever they got paid to take on other peoples' issues isn't enough, IMO.

The horror stories about CPS have been around as far back as I can remember. When I was a LCpl, a couple my ex worked with had a kid. She always looked dirty. Was her complexion. But their next door neighbor didn't like them and reported them to CA CPS and they took the kid. Ten they had to somehow prove their innocence:rolleyes:

It sucks but it is the system used by most states I know of. Better safe than sorry is their motto. At least here, they investigate. In CA, they seized the kid first.

Having said all that, put yourself in the shoes of the parents. Assuming they don't have relatives they can count on to at least take the kids. Do you keep your kids homeless and possibly unfed with you while you try to get our shit back together, or do you chance them being cared for -- fed, clothed and sheltered -- by the state? Hard choice, IMO.

agreed about the CPS.

To your last question. That's a horrible place to be.
But with what the gov't has done or failed to do over the past weeks... I'm not sure how any parent would feel slightly comforted by the idea that the govt was now going to be responsible and "take care" of their children.
My personal reaction would be, 'thanks but h3ll no'.

[Gunny]

agreed about the CPS.

To your last question. That's a horrible place to be.
But with what the gov't has done or failed to do over the past weeks... I'm not sure how any parent would feel slightly comforted by the idea that the govt was now going to be responsible and "take care" of their children.
My personal reaction would be, 'thanks but h3ll no'.

Define government. FEMA is Federal. CPS is state.

Here's MY big issue with all this finger-pointing. It's a hurricane. I've been through a few. They're typhoons in Asia, and when you're at sea? Hell. I don't care how prepared anyone thinks they are, nobody is ever. And to be 100% ready at all times? Near impossible if not completely. The only option anyone has is to get the Hell out of the way. Otherwise, you're on you're own. Literally.

Stuff like water and food are perishable. They have to be periodically replaced. Fuel's no good with water in it. Can't get electricity from poles on the ground. Roads washed out and or blocked. Picture your neighborhood flat as a pancake with all kinds of crap piled up wherever it lands. That would be my old neighborhood in Homestead, FL after Andrew.

The smartest thing to do is EVERYONE evacuate. Never happens. Those people are part of the problem. Then again, you can board up and or evacuate and the hurricane veer north suddenly like Hugo did. It was supposed to hit us dead on in Miami and instead went north and slammed a path across the state to Orlando. Had we left (I was a dumbass teenager involved in a "hurricane party":rolleyes:), it'd been for nothing but some heavy rain.

Everyone wants and/or expects FEMA and whoever to just immediately step in and fix everything NOW. All that manpower and materiel has to come from somewhere and some act like that's just right up the road.

The infrastructure and everything it supports is pretty much gone. It has to be rebuilt from nothing as if Daniel Boone was doing it. So do all those lives. The dead are gone. The living have to start over with nothing. At its very best and a fantasy endless warehouse of goods and services STILL isn't enough for those that don't get help for whatever reason.

The people that piss me off are the ones that are supposed to be on the ground writing checks and want to pile all this bureaucratic bullshit on top of every dime. In the end, if you need help, you have to ask for it and accept what is there.

[revelarts]

Define government. FEMA is Federal. CPS is state.


Yes.

[Gunny]

Yes.Okay. Again, FEMA is Federal and incompetent. I can't say anything about NC because different states are at different levels of competency/incompetency, your choice. I have WAY ore faith in the Texas government to prepare for and handle crap than I do the Feds.

However, the tradeoff for living in the State that is keeping the other 49 afloat despite the Federal government's best effort is it is more authoritarian, for now.

Point is, just what are you expecting State/Fed authorities to do? Stop the hurricane? Anything less results in my previous post. I keep hearing "the Government, the government ..." The government what? Doesn't do miracles? Not sure what expectations are. Especially from THIS administration which has proven itself completely incompetent as far as I'm concerned. They haven't even bothered to at least upkeep what they inherited. They're just driving the car until the engine seizes.

[revelarts]

Okay. Again, FEMA is Federal and incompetent. I can't say anything about NC because different states are at different levels of competency/incompetency, your choice. I have WAY ore faith in the Texas government to prepare for and handle crap than I do the Feds.

However, the tradeoff for living in the State that is keeping the other 49 afloat despite the Federal government's best effort is it is more authoritarian, for now.

Point is, just what are you expecting State/Fed authorities to do? Stop the hurricane? Anything less results in my previous post. I keep hearing "the Government, the government ..." The government what? Doesn't do miracles? Not sure what expectations are. Especially from THIS administration which has proven itself completely incompetent as far as I'm concerned. They haven't even bothered to at least upkeep what they inherited. They're just driving the car until the engine seizes.
in this particular case All I'm asking is that "the gov't", local, doesn't TAKE children from parents without full consent.
(Maybe be creative and use the money they'd give to foster parents and give to the real parents to spend for food & shelter.)
And "the gov't", federal, to be open & honest about what's happening and send as much money & help as it has to Ukraine & Israel to Carolina, Tennessee And Maui.

Is that too much?

[Gunny]

in this particular case All I'm asking is that "the gov't", local, doesn't TAKE children from parents without full consent.
(Maybe be creative and use the money they'd give to foster parents and give to the real parents to spend for food & shelter.)
And "the gov't", federal, to be open & honest about what's happening and send as much money & help as it has to Ukraine & Israel to Carolina, Tennessee And Maui.

Is that too much?

I don't think they can without consent or cause. Not sure after this:

Peanut the Squirrel Euthanized, Social Media Star's Owner Says: 'Sorry I Failed You' (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/peanut-squirrel-euthanized-social-media-225434009.html)

The guy had the squirrel for 7 years. Ended up with it when its mom got killed. When he tried to release it, it wouldn't go. Then he made the fatal mistake of putting his pet squirrel on social media. Naturally, those that will piss on everything and spoil everyone else's fun cried to NY animal control and they raided his house and took the squirrel. Before the guy could do anything about it, they killed it.

You might not see the correlation but I often think we, the People are no more than that squirrel to the State.

[revelarts]

I don't think they can without consent or cause. Not sure after this:

Peanut the Squirrel Euthanized, Social Media Star's Owner Says: 'Sorry I Failed You' (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/peanut-squirrel-euthanized-social-media-225434009.html)

The guy had the squirrel for 7 years. Ended up with it when its mom got killed. When he tried to release it, it wouldn't go. Then he made the fatal mistake of putting his pet squirrel on social media. Naturally, those that will piss on everything and spoil everyone else's fun cried to NY animal control and they raided his house and took the squirrel. Before the guy could do anything about it, they killed it.

You might not see the correlation but I often think we, the People are no more than that squirrel to the State.

The state only wants what's best, and they know whats best Gunny.

Consent too often seems to be 1st a courtesy, then a formally, then a window dressing, finally not really an option when they're doing what's best 'for the greater good'. Or they are just following "the law" or lawful orders.

[fj1200]

This is quite the rabbit hold for something that you haven't even fully accepted.


Not sure if this report is 100% ,

[revelarts]

This is quite the rabbit hold for something that you haven't even fully accepted.


....****
As with any "source", take the meat & leave the bones.

...

[fj1200]

^ Too much gristle for the trouble.

[Gunny]

The state only wants what's best, and they know whats best Gunny.

Consent too often seems to be 1st a courtesy, then a formally, then a window dressing, finally not really an option when they're doing what's best 'for the greater good'. Or they are just following "the law" or lawful orders.

But which does that reflect more? The law? Or the people?

Seems to me people acting in good faith for the greater good of the people don't need law.

[Kathianne]

But which does that reflect more? The law? Or the people?

Seems to me people acting in good faith for the greater good of the people don't need law.

I totally agree with you, though thanks to the government's handling of Covid, one needs to tread very carefully. IMO, if it was a serious attempt at greater good, that went wrong in part-notice not in toto-explain. Though the explanation must include why the current 'advice' from government is now what it is.

I strongly believe in the innoculation requirements for schools, though covid should certainly NOT be part of what is now required.