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Kathianne
10-14-2024, 10:31 AM
NASA and Air and Space Forces not happy. This is simply unreal-politics over national security. Did you see that huge missile or whatever it would be called, return to launch pad? Amazing!

You may well want to go to link, there's a lot not able to c & p:

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/10/14/elon-musk-is-a-superhero-n3795765


Elon Musk Is a SuperheroDavid Strom 8:00 AM | October 14, 2024



AP Photo/Alex Brandon
Elon Musk is a once-in-a-generation--or perhaps century--genius. He has pushed humanity forward more than any person in two generations.


He is an extraordinary entrepreneur, engineer, and leader of passionate people. He has built a successful car company using a technology that nobody had ever made practical. He bet it all to create SpaceX, which may be the most important company in the world. He has built a satellite internet company that is saving lives right now in North Carolina and other hurricane-stricken regions and brought the internet to isolated tribes in Africa and the Amazon rainforest. And he has broken the establishment's stranglehold on speech and lost billions of dollars to do so.




Tesla is expanding into the business of making humanoid robots, and within a few years, they will be ready to become assistants to millions of people. And while his "Full Self Driving" software always seems to be a year away from autonomy, it is remarkably good and saves lives daily. Teslas are the safest cars in the world.


SpaceX makes the impossible come true every day. In rough terms the company puts about 9 times as much mass into space than every other country combined, and the lead keeps growing.




Yesterday, SpaceX executed a nearly flawless test of its Starship--the fifth test out of many. It could have executed the test months ago, but the government bureaucrats are working hard to slow his progress because, well, he is a Republican now. Since his purchase of Twitter, the Biden administration has put obstacle after obstacle in his way, threatening his company, asking our allies to throttle his speech using their less stringent speech protection laws, and Democrats in California are denying the Air Force the right to allow SpaceX to launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base, citing Elon's political opinions.




They care more about harming Elon Musk than national security. Both NASA and the Air and Space Forces are at odds with the rest of the administration because, well, they can't do their jobs without SpaceX. They need to launch on Falcon 9, NASA can't launch or retrieve their astronauts without the company, and the military needs Starlink for reliable and fast communications. No doubt the Starlink satellite constellation has capabilities that help the military about which there is no public information.




Starlink could provide broadband access to millions more people under the Biden administration's broadband program, but the administration kicked SpaceX out of the program after Musk came out for Ron DeSantis and bought Twitter. It was a blatantly political move, and they have tried to justify the decision by claiming that the company couldn't provide reliable service. Of course, Starlink is the only reliable service available and costs much less than the alternatives. As a consequence, NOT ONE house has been plugged into broadband after three years.




Starlink is invaluable to hurricane survivors and rescuers, and Elon Musk is providing the service and even the equipment for free. He has even turned on a direct phone to satellite service for hurricane-hit regions despite the service still being in beta testing.




Still, Democrats have put a target on Musk's back, doing everything they can to put stumbling blocks in his way because he says things they don't like. They hate Elon Musk.




The hatred runs so deep that the Democrats are including Musk in anti-Trump advertisements, generating hate against him as they have done with Donald Trump. Both have been effective critics of the Democrats, and they cannot abide that no matter how much good Musk does.




John Fetterman, proving that sometimes a stroke isn't such a bad thing, thinks this is idiotic. He is right. Ambitious young Americans see an America that works and one that doesn't and know which one they want to be a part of.




Whether you agree with his politics, Musk is a giant of our times. He has revolutionized industry after industry, and he is nowhere near done. He may land on Mars one day. Personally, I mean. I have no doubt his company will, and soon.




The left prefers a world where Boeing controls our access to space, cable companies our access to the internet, and censored social media companies are the filter through which censored information reaches us.










Musk is a figure out of a Heinlein novel, or yes, a true-to-life Tony Stark. In fact, Robert Downey Jr. used Musk as a model for his engineering genius character.




Musk may not exactly be a character out of Marvel, but frankly, that is good.


Marvel movies suck these days.

Gunny
10-14-2024, 12:44 PM
I disagree with the Dem's reasoning for denying SpaceX access to military bases. I don't disagree with denying him access to military bases because he doesn't belong on them. I take serious issue that the Space Force/Air Force are dependent on SpaceX/Starlink. Corporate civilians should not have access to military communications and/or military programs.

Don't get me wrong. This is government's fault. It has neglected the military to the point it has fallen behind civilian sector when it should have its own programs that equal or exceed. That needs to be fixed. In the meantime, the Admin has no right to endanger our lives/Nation over politics.

Kathianne
10-14-2024, 12:46 PM
I disagree with the Dem's reasoning for denying SpaceX access to military bases. I don't disagree with denying him access to military bases because he doesn't belong on them. I take serious issue that the Space Force/Air Force are dependent on SpaceX/Starlink. Corporate civilians should not have access to military communications and/or military programs.

Don't get me wrong. This is government's fault. It has neglected the military to the point it has fallen behind civilian sector when it should have its own programs that equal or exceed. That needs to be fixed. In the meantime, the Admin has no right to endanger our lives/Nation over politics.

I'm not sold. The private sector is always much more cost effective than government. How to handle? They need to find a way.

More:

https://jonathanturley.org/2024/10/14/liberals-are-losing-their-minds-over-elon-musk/

Gunny
10-14-2024, 12:58 PM
I'm not sold. The private sector is always much more cost effective than government. How to handle? They need to find a way.

More:

https://jonathanturley.org/2024/10/14/liberals-are-losing-their-minds-over-elon-musk/

Don't know about that. The civilian sector has a habit of gouging the government for goods. This is a weird situation. What amounts to a competitor vying for space on base.

The military relies on the civilian sector to produce what it needs, and drop it off at the gate. No problem with that. Allowing them to operate on base is a security nightmare.

revelarts
10-21-2024, 07:29 AM
Has anyone considered that maybe the bureaucracy, establishment, deep state, whatever label you like... is using 'law fare' against Musk to control his work. the govt Panel said it out loud that they don't like his politics or "his tweets". So they must reign him in. it's not about military use vs public.
How plain do they have to make it?
Just like they've been using LawFare on Trump,.... and others. Going back at least to the 1960s with cointelpro and other govt projects. And when all else fails they do what they did to Martin Luther King and yes JFK.

Not sure what it takes for us to see that the corporate powers that be simply allow the govt and people to run within certain bounds. But if people stray outside the bounds, 1st the the built in social rejection by folks that are BOUND to the matrix so deeply that they cannot think outside of the overton window of "normal" activity and "pragmatic" policies smear & attack the outlier in various ways. If that natural pressure doesn't work then the tools of the state are bent to keep people in line.
Some of the gov't players are bound mentally to the matrix and truly believe PERSON X is a "threat". While some are tools of the System. Paid by it, paid off, & or blackmailed by it. And they know exactly whats going on.


Gunny you say the the military should have all the best stuff and the "civilians" who created & paid for the land, material, clothing, health care & the training of everyone IN the military, should be locked out of use. Does that sound like a military led gov't to anyone else but me?
But OK if this were Germany or Italy circa 1930 I'd understand that mindset, all the tools of the people in service the military State & all. Military lead gov't.
But in the US it seems that the civilian international corporations are the ones that pull the strings... when they want... to move the ship where they want. the Congress is bought, the Military contractors are civilian owned. The civilian tech companies, once they have something important, big or useful enough, are often Co-Oped or infiltrated by the powers that be of the international corps.
As far as the military goes, Smedly Butler made it plan decades ago. The military is not mainly for the people of the U.S., it's in service to the corporations.

It's a passionate Fiction that all the wars and invasions we've been in around the world were for our safety.

just sayin Gunny.
I know you don't believe it but it's seems thats the reality.


From the NYT... All of the LawFare now in play against Musk.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaYk1uqaoAAFhyt?format=jpg&name=medium


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaYtAEiWMAAM96I?format=jpg&name=360x360

Gunny
10-21-2024, 05:37 PM
Has anyone considered that maybe the bureaucracy, establishment, deep state, whatever label you like... is using 'law fare' against Musk to control his work. the govt Panel said it out loud that they don't like his politics or "his tweets". So they must reign him in. it's not about military use vs public.
How plain do they have to make it?
Just like they've been using LawFare on Trump,.... and others. Going back at least to the 1960s with cointelpro and other govt projects. And when all else fails they do what they did to Martin Luther King and yes JFK.

Not sure what it takes for us to see that the corporate powers that be simply allow the govt and people to run within certain bounds. But if people stray outside the bounds, 1st the the built in social rejection by folks that are BOUND to the matrix so deeply that they cannot think outside of the overton window of "normal" activity and "pragmatic" policies smear & attack the outlier in various ways. If that natural pressure doesn't work then the tools of the state are bent to keep people in line.
Some of the gov't players are bound mentally to the matrix and truly believe PERSON X is a "threat". While some are tools of the System. Paid by it, paid off, & or blackmailed by it. And they know exactly whats going on.


Gunny you say the the military should have all the best stuff and the "civilians" who created & paid for the land, material, clothing, health care & the training of everyone IN the military, should be locked out of use. Does that sound like a military led gov't to anyone else but me?
But OK if this were Germany or Italy circa 1930 I'd understand that mindset, all the tools of the people in service the military State & all. Military lead gov't.
But in the US it seems that the civilian international corporations are the ones that pull the strings... when they want... to move the ship where they want. the Congress is bought, the Military contractors are civilian owned. The civilian tech companies, once they have something important, big or useful enough, are often Co-Oped or infiltrated by the powers that be of the international corps.
As far as the military goes, Smedly Butler made it plan decades ago. The military is not mainly for the people of the U.S., it's in service to the corporations.

It's a passionate Fiction that all the wars and invasions we've been in around the world were for our safety.

just sayin Gunny.
I know you don't believe it but it's seems thats the reality.


From the NYT... All of the LawFare now in play against Musk.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaYk1uqaoAAFhyt?format=jpg&name=medium


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaYtAEiWMAAM96I?format=jpg&name=360x360I agree with whoever blocking Musk because of his politics/stances/opinions that don't jive with the establishment and/or the Dems. If he was Dem, he'd have a private runway at all AF bases. I did not mean to imply otherwise. It's bullshit and anyone that wants to see it for what it is, does. It's political discrimination, plain and simple.

Which has nothing to do with my stance on civilian entities on base. Has nothing to do with Musk personally.