Europe, Led By France Shows Its Still As Antisemitic As 1930s

[Kathianne]

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/10/06/macron-calls-for-end-to-funding-for-israeli-arms-n3795472

[revelarts]

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/10/06/macron-calls-for-end-to-funding-for-israeli-arms-n3795472

So not wanting to arm Israel is now the definition of antisemitic?
As antisemitic as the 1930s?
really?

After years of the right saying there's been no real race problems since the 80s-2000s things have improved.(until OBAMA!).
I have to wonder if we apply this new 1930's antisemitism measure to the U.S. & it's racism how we'd come up.

[Kathianne]

So not wanting to arm Israel is now the definition of antisemitic?
As antisemitic as the 1930s?
really?

After years of the right saying there's been no real race problems since the 80s-2000s things have improved.(until OBAMA!).
I have to wonder if we apply this new 1930's antisemitism measure to the U.S. & it's racism how we'd come up.

Yep, worse than 1930s.

Not seeing Macron or Biden threatening Iran or minions with disarmament.

Hypocrites

[revelarts]

Yep, worse than 1930s.

Not seeing Macron or Biden threatening Iran or minions with disarmament.

Hypocrites

So Not Suppling Arms = "Disarmament"?

I didn't know we supplied arms to Iran? Or admitted it.
Thought that stopped years ago... with the SHAW.
Haven't we had an embrago on Iran for quite some time now? even for medical supplies and the like? Pre-Biden?

[revelarts]

the Hotair headline is some pretty dark click bait.
Some might call it 'red meat' and call the sites objectivity & overall reliability into question if they were consistent.

[Kathianne]

So Not Suppling Arms = "Disarmament"?

I didn't know we supplied arms to Iran? Or admitted it.
Thought that stopped years ago... with the SHAW.
Haven't we had an embrago on Iran for quite some time now? even for medical supplies and the like? Pre-Biden?

Iran & proxies have plenty of weapons as April and last week easily demonstrated. Just being ant jews isn't exactly tolerant.

[Kathianne]

Work now. More later.

[Gunny]

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/10/06/macron-calls-for-end-to-funding-for-israeli-arms-n3795472Is it antisemitism? If there is an example, I missed it. Is it "it's not in my back yard making me hysterical hypocrisy-ism"? Contrasting Ukraine with Israel, sure looks a LOT like the latter.

Russia has scared Europe to point of arming Ukraine, which would not have stood a chance without it, to the teeth in its war with Russia. How is the "invader" any different? Not commending Russia's action at all, but pointing out at least it is sending combatants to the battlefield to fight enemy combatants as opposed to Hamas and Hezbollah waging war using military/paramilitary force against civilians.

All the US has to do to "stand by ALL allies" is state bluntly if Israel/ME doesn't matter, neither does Western Europe. Rather than that being an isolationist policy, it's a cudgel upside to the head to all those who aren't paying out as much as we are to get their asses back in line.

And if it IS because of antisemitism? Who needs allies like that?

[Kathianne]

Is it antisemitism? If there is an example, I missed it. Is it "it's not in my back yard making me hysterical hypocrisy-ism"? Contrasting Ukraine with Israel, sure looks a LOT like the latter.

Russia has scared Europe to point of arming Ukraine, which would not have stood a chance without it, to the teeth in its war with Russia. How is the "invader" any different? Not commending Russia's action at all, but pointing out at least it is sending combatants to the battlefield to fight enemy combatants as opposed to Hamas and Hezbollah waging war using military/paramilitary force against civilians.

All the US has to do to "stand by ALL allies" is state bluntly if Israel/ME doesn't matter, neither does Western Europe. Rather than that being an isolationist policy, it's a cudgel upside to the head to all those who aren't paying out as much as we are to get their asses back in line.

And if it IS because of antisemitism? Who needs allies like that?

In this case I'm calling what I see. Europe has been for killing the jews and blaming them for all their ills since the dark ages. Seems they took off a few holocaust decades, but only shamed into it. Now US has joined in, if for no other reason than thousands of MI votes.

I'm consistently for those being invaded.

[revelarts]

In this case I'm calling what I see. Europe has been for killing the jews and blaming them for all their ills since the dark ages. Seems they took off a few holocaust decades, but only shamed into it. Now US has joined in, if for no other reason than thousands of MI votes.

I'm consistently for those being invaded.

https://wordpress.wbur.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/102212-01-768x512.jpg

[Gunny]

In this case I'm calling what I see. Europe has been for killing the jews and blaming them for all their ills since the dark ages. Seems they took off a few holocaust decades, but only shamed into it. Now US has joined in, if for no other reason than thousands of MI votes.

I'm consistently for those being invaded.

It is hard to convey cynical sarcasm on a message board :) The point to my comment regarding Europe is to make a point. When it's their scared asses, it's "different". I'm all for supporting Ukraine and Israel. Pointing out to the former that from a realistic perspective one is little different than the other is just pointing out their self-serving hypocrisy. It can definitely be used a diplomatic lever. Fact is, Ukraine is NOT a NATO member and the US is not bound to support it.

Isn't France the NATO member that was talking taking active unilateral action in Ukraine? Which drags everyone in NATO down with them? What exactly do they think is happening to civilians in Ukraine that is not happening to civilians in Israel? Russia is targeting population centers and wiping whole towns off the map.

And not one word about the Russian towns the Ukrainians occupy.

It'll be a cold day in Hell before I do not support Israel. Likewise Ukraine fighting for its right to self-determination and freedom. But some of these actors that are supposedly "the good guys' need to be smacked upside the head and reminded what it is they are supposed to be supporting. That goes for the morons currently occupying the WH.

[Gunny]

https://wordpress.wbur.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/102212-01-768x512.jpgIrrelevant.

[Kathianne]

https://wordpress.wbur.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/102212-01-768x512.jpg

Yep, talk about a raw deal.

[revelarts]

Irrelevant.

Yep, talk about a raw deal.

Just to be clear.

"Irrelevant"... but all the history of the Jews from the middle ages until now is relevant.
And we're being "consistent".

So that whatever it takes to get rid of any invaders is justified.
And any hinderance or lack of help is "ANTI...".
And any lack of support is a practical betrayal the ideal of freedom and the right of self defense others promote for themselves.

[Kathianne]

Just to be clear.

"Irrelevant"... but all the history of the Jews from the middle ages until now is relevant.
And we're being "consistent".

So that whatever it takes to get rid of any invaders is justified.
And any hinderance or lack of help is "ANTI...".
And any lack of support is a practical betrayal the ideal of freedom and the right of self defense others promote for themselves.

Ok, we have repeatedly gone down this road. Tell me rev, what are you saying here and what is it you would like to see as the story of how this should all wash out, in your opinion?

[revelarts]

Ok, we have repeatedly gone down this road. Tell me rev, what are you saying here and what is it you would like to see as the story of how this should all wash out, in your opinion?
From the commentary, more objectivity,
and less blind support that justifies every action as good or necessary.

Honest moves towards peace by all sides, ANY side.
Honest view of the history that includes all parties HISTORICAL complicity rather than denials.

In general the US minding it's on business & spending money in the U.S. rather than foreign wars while pretending it's all for "freedom".

[Kathianne]

From the commentary, more objectivity,
and less blind support that justifies every action as good or necessary.

Honest moves towards peace by all sides, ANY side.
Honest view of the history that includes all parties HISTORICAL complicity rather than denials.

In general the US minding it's on business & spending money in the U.S. rather than foreign wars while pretending it's all for "freedom".

So basically what I hear you saying is time for US to withdraw to its own borders. No more alliances, no more interactions other than non-military trade. If I'm misunderstanding please clarify.

[Kathianne]

October 6,2023

Just 24 hours before possible start of WWIII. Note, it wasn't Israel that wanted what has happened.

https://nypost.com/2024/10/06/opinion/israel-stands-alone-in-fight-against-terror-one-year-after-oct-7s-horrors/


Israel stands alone in fight against terror one year after Oct. 7’s horrorsBy Michael Goodwin
Published Oct. 6, 2024
Updated Oct. 7, 2024, 7:56 a.m. ET




In Israel, Oct. 6, 2023 was a day marked by optimism. Saudi Arabia was moving toward normalizing relations with the Jewish state, a once-unthinkable step that would dramatically improve Israel’s relationships with the Arab world.


A pact with the Saudis including trade, tourism and security provisions would expand the historic Abraham Accords forged under Donald Trump, bolster a regional alliance with the United States and further isolate Iran.




“Every day seems to bring a new advance in the fast-moving American effort to build a Saudi-Israeli alliance in the Middle East,” was how a Times of Israel columnist described the confident outlook that day. “Should an Israeli-Saudi deal be sealed, the two countries will owe much to Tehran for so expertly driving them into each other’s arms.”


In late September, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had told Fox News that “We’re getting closer to peace every day.” In early October, an Israeli government minister had been photographed celebrating the Jewish holiday of Sukkot in Riyadh.


It was all too threatening for Iran and its terror proxies. The normalization process had to be stopped if Israel was ever going to be eliminated.




Biden-Harris admin’s lack of support left Israel with no other choice — it had to strike Hezbollah
Goodwin column
Joe Biden’s disastrous legacy of crime at home and war abroad is on full display in his final UN speech
And so, a year ago today, thousands of Hamas terrorists crossed the border from Gaza and slaughtered 1,200 Israelis, most of them civilians, including women and children. Rape and torture were rampant and some victims, including whole families living on kibbutzim, were burned alive.


The Palestinian invaders took 250 hostages back to the hellholes of Gaza, hoping to trade them for their own survival in the war they had started.


It was Israel’s 9/11, the deadliest day since the end of the Holocaust. The horror echoes FDR’s famous description of the Dec. 7, 1941, Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor: “a date which will live in infamy.”


Among the casualties was the agreement with Saudi Arabia. Soon after Oct. 7, the crown prince put the talks on hold and insisted any deal must include a pathway to a separate Palestinian state.




The freeze in normalization is but one of many signs of a dramatically changed world. The most obvious is that Israel flattened much of Gaza while destroying Hamas as a major fighting force.


Still, nearly 100 hostages remain captive there, with one-third of them thought to be dead.


The Israel Defense Forces are now taking the fight to Hezbollah in Lebanon after terrorists there launched 8,000 missiles, rockets and drones in the last year and drove 60,000 Israelis from their homes near the border.


As with Hamas, Hezbollah has seen its leaders eliminated and its arsenal diminished.


Israeli units have carried out extraordinary acts of warfare that rival video game exploits. They managed to insert explosives in the beepers of Hezbollah fighters and commanders, then detonated them remotely to kill scores and injure thousands in a display of technological brilliance.


Meanwhile, the Houthis in Yemen, another Iranian-funded group, are attacking Israel and cargo ships in the Red Sea. Iran’s agents also have provoked more violent attacks in the West Bank, opening yet another front in the war to destroy Israel.


Most significant, the aftershocks now include direct attacks by Israel and Iran on each other, provoking new fears of World War III.


White House wavering
It is often said that war brings out both the best and worst of humanity, and that includes politicians. The Biden administration has engaged in a strange, yearlong exercise in mixed messaging.


Early on, the president was forceful and made a bold trip to Israel just weeks after the Hamas attack. Soon, however, he began publicly criticizing its decisions and dispatched aides to attend War Cabinet meetings and dictate which targets Israel could strike.


The pattern continues even now, with the White House simultaneously beefing up our military presence in the region while also cautioning Israel to respond “proportionally” to Iran’s attacks on its homeland.




Biden’s failure to secure an Israel-Hamas ceasefire is good news for the entire world: here’s why
“In practice this means that there is no effective counteroffensive action that Israel can legitimately take,” former Israeli ambassador Michael Oren writes on Clarity. “Israelis can only sit and be pummeled by enemy barrages until our interceptors run out.”


Biden’s tit-for-tat restriction reflects his extreme fear of escalation and blindness to a key fact: Iran and its proxies are America’s enemies, too.


One of the Hezbollah terrorists Israel took out had a $7 million bounty on his head, put there by Washington for his role in the 1983 attacks on our marines’ barracks and embassy in Beirut, killing nearly 400 Americans.


Since we didn’t bring him to justice, we should at least be grateful Israel did.


Even more troubling is Biden’s lifting of sanctions Trump imposed on Iran’s oil sector. Much of the hundreds of billions are going to its military and allowing it to fund Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and others.


So instead of deterring Iran, this White House has effectively enabled it to carry out its aggressions against Israel.


European leaders are even worse. Many are anti-Israel to the core, and are so frightened of the millions of Muslims they imported that they want to arrest Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and others on charges of war crimes.


The call by French President Emanuel Macron on Sunday for an arms embargo on Israel is one helluva way to mark the anniversary of the Hamas invasion. Whose side is he on?




Palestinians walk amid the rubble of destroyed and damaged buildings in the heavily bombarded city center of Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip following overnight Israeli shelling, on October 10, 2023.
AFP via Getty Images
Oren, a brilliant analyst and historian, writes that Israel’s Western allies “inhabit a universe utterly alien to ours. In their reality, wars against terrorists who hide behind and under their civilian population can be won without harming those civilians and jihadists can be mollified by creating a Palestinian state.”


He adds: “American and European leaders live in a simple, rational region that bears not the slightest resemblance to the real Middle East.”


Kamala Harris puts the ‘lie’ in allies when it comes to supporting Israel
The most alarming White House motive for restricting Israel is the concern that Muslim Americans angry at even Biden’s shaky support for Israel could stay home on Election Day, possibly handing Michigan and other battleground states to Trump.


That concern surely played a role in Vice President Kamala Harris making Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz her running mate instead of Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, who is Jewish. It is not a small point that Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar, an open antisemite, supported the selection of Walz.


But the fallout from Oct. 7 is not limited to Mideast battlefields or even presidential politics. Almost as shocking is the explosion of antisemitism in America and Europe.


Just as Israel was caught off guard by the Hamas terrorists, the outpouring of support for those savages on elite college campuses and the streets of New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and Washington as well as London and Paris has been a rude awakening of its own.


The new antisemites
It’s as if a venomous snake had been in hiding and suddenly found a chance to emerge and strike.


For many Jews, the shocking support for terrorists shatters their view of America as a uniquely safe refuge. Post-World War II generations who believed they had escaped the hellfires of Europe are finding that some of the hell followed them here.


Much of this hate, as propagated by supposedly well-educated students, faculty and administrators, is disguised as sympathy for civilians in Gaza and Lebanon. That explanation would be more credible if there were equal concern for the Israeli civilians butchered on Oct. 7 and for the hostages.


See Also
NYPD police officers remove and arrest Pro-Palestine protesters who occupied the Hamilton Hall building the campus at Columbia University in New York City on Tuesday, April 30, 2024.
The anti-Israel agitators were actually outsiders – and the schools could not have handled it worse
Instead, even the hostages were fodder for the antisemites who tore down pictures of them on bulletin boards and lampposts.


The chronology is stunning: Israel is attacked and 1,200 of its citizens are slaughtered — and the radical left blames the victims.


As a friend puts it, the inane chants of “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” by keffiyeh-wearing students “reflect a deep rooted belief that Israel had it coming.”


The marchers echo assaults on Israel’s right to exist that are common in the United Nations, where despotic regimes are celebrated and Israel alone is singled out for repeated censure and condemnation.


The late chief rabbi of Britain, Lord Jonathan Sachs, concluded years ago that anti-Zionism is the new antisemitism.


As he told a gathering of young people at a Birthright Israel event, “Antisemitism is a virus that mutates, so that new antisemites can deny they are antisemites at all.


“In the Middle Ages Jews were hated for their religion. In the nineteenth and early twentieth century they were hated for their race. Today they are hated for their nation state, Israel.”


His insight fits the moment. In the radicals’ world view, Israel has been turned into an oppressor colonizer and Palestinians into their innocent victims.




Smoke and flames rise in Beirut’s southern suburbs, after Israeli air strikes, amid ongoing hostilities between Hezbollah and Israeli forces.
REUTERS
The failures of university leaders to protect Jewish students from harassment and violence led to the firing of some of the most prominent ones, including those at Harvard and Penn.


Donors large and small also have punished the schools for their dereliction by withholding their money and canceling pledges, but quisling administrators can’t shake the habit of appeasing the radicals.


Learning nothing
Columbia stands out for its repeated examples of spinelessness. Its former president alternately called the police onto campus, then surrendered to the mob before quitting and leaving town.


Still, the school and its trustees have learned nothing. A doctoral student who defended campus protesters last year and warned they could “die of dehydration and starvation” unless Columbia provided “basic humanitarian aid” to their illegal tent city has been hired to teach a required course to undergrads.


Johannah King-Slutzky will be free to warp a new class of young minds when she teaches “Contemporary Western Civilization,” which undergrads at the Ivy League school have taken since 1919. The university says the course aims to help students “gain a better sense of the ideas that have shaped the world they have inherited.”

[revelarts]

So basically what I hear you saying is time for US to withdraw to its own borders. No more alliances, no more interactions other than non-military trade. If I'm misunderstanding please clarify.

Seems We've never had a military alliance with Ukraine.
And they were not... and thankfully still are not... part of NATO. (most corrupt nation in Europe etc).

Do we have an official alliance with Israel? I don't think so. We've sold them weapons for decades. But I don't thinks there's any official military "alliance".
And no I do not want to start or ASSUME any with Israel or any country.
No Middle Eastern Country. Even though we've sold weapons to MANY Middle Eastern countries.

Our alliance via NATO should be questioned.
Yes, like all agreements. For what's in our best interest.
But if Russia or China attacks a NATO nation, yes, we're obliged to join the resistance.
I'm good with that, for now.

BTW China doesn't have military bases, military ships & planes dotted all over the world but somehow everyone still understands that they are a worldwide threat. Maybe we can take notes and do the same. Maybe it's not NECESSARY to have bases & troops spread across the globe at the cost of billions per year. Maybe the money & manpower could be used better at home.
Maybe what we're doing now is based in a pre-WW2 mentality and there are better options.
Maybe Madison & MacArther were right, we don't need to go around the globe slaying dragons.

So do you want to go the other side of the world &, bomb Iran, Lebanon, Yemen & Syria into a parking lots (by proxy)?
And start WW3 with Russia and China because they are bad guys, and we'll 'have to' someday anyway. Will WW3 somehow make you feel safer?
If I'm misunderstanding please clarify.

[Gunny]

From the commentary, more objectivity,
and less blind support that justifies every action as good or necessary.

Honest moves towards peace by all sides, ANY side.
Honest view of the history that includes all parties HISTORICAL complicity rather than denials.

In general the US minding it's on business & spending money in the U.S. rather than foreign wars while pretending it's all for "freedom"."Peace" has been repeatedly tried. Israel has tried more than twice, while all the assorted yet connected terrorist groups' stated goals are the destruction of Israel. See Kathianne's post above for details. Putin likewise wants to enslave at least one nation and steal its resources and bully the rest of Europe.

There is no such thing as peace when it is a one-sided affair. Be slaughtered or fight back.

Regardless your wishes for Whirled Peas, it isn't the reality. Reality is it is practical to stop the yesterday before we are trying to stop them alone. Should it come to that, you won't have any borders to try and hide behind.

Not very Christian of you to turn a blind eye to the plight of others in their hour of need.

[Kathianne]

Seems We've never had a military alliance with Ukraine.
And they were not... and thankfully still are not... part of NATO. (most corrupt nation in Europe etc).

Do we have an official alliance with Israel? I don't think so. We've sold them weapons for decades. But I don't thinks there's any official military "alliance".
And no I do not want to start or ASSUME any with Israel or any country.
No Middle Eastern Country. Even though we've sold weapons to MANY Middle Eastern countries.

Our alliance via NATO should be questioned.
Yes, like all agreements. For what's in our best interest.
But if Russia or China attacks a NATO nation, yes, we're obliged to join the resistance.
I'm good with that, for now.

BTW China doesn't have military bases, military ships & planes dotted all over the world but somehow everyone still understands that they are a worldwide threat. Maybe we can take notes and do the same. Maybe it's not NECESSARY to have bases & troops spread across the globe at the cost of billions per year. Maybe the money & manpower could be used better at home.
Maybe what we're doing now is based in a pre-WW2 mentality and there are better options.
Maybe Madison & MacArther were right, we don't need to go around the globe slaying dragons.

So do you want to go the other side of the world &, bomb Iran, Lebanon, Yemen & Syria into a parking lots (by proxy)?
And start WW3 with Russia and China because they are bad guys, and we'll 'have to' someday anyway. Will WW3 somehow make you feel safer?
If I'm misunderstanding please clarify.

Who we have or don't have alliances with is irrelevant for my question regarding your basic feelings about foreign policy in general and any possible war issues.

[revelarts]

"Peace" has been repeatedly tried. Israel has tried more than twice, while all the assorted yet connected terrorist groups' stated goals are the destruction of Israel. See Kathianne's post above for details. Putin likewise wants to enslave at least one nation and steal its resources and bully the rest of Europe.

There is no such thing as peace when it is a one-sided affair. Be slaughtered or fight back.

Regardless your wishes for Whirled Peas, it isn't the reality. Reality is it is practical to stop the yesterday before we are trying to stop them alone. Should it come to that, you won't have any borders to try and hide behind.

Not very Christian of you to turn a blind eye to the plight of others in their hour of need.
Which side has more dead bodies, civilian & combatant, piled up since 10/7?
Which side is has more homeless?
Which side has more had land taken away, homes & buildings bombed to crap since 10/7?

numbers wise, what looks one sided gunny... in practical reality?
Remember now you brought up Christianity not me.
Can I get an honest Christian answer here?
How many more do you think Jesus wants Israel to make homeless & kill?
How often do you think Jesus would want to try peace? Maybe one more time than you or I?
Or would he want them to just kill them all, because we'll never have whirl peas?
Do you really care what Jesus wants here? or are you bringing up Christianity just to question my POV?

[revelarts]

So basically what I hear you saying is time for US to withdraw to its own borders. No more alliances, no more interactions other than non-military trade. If I'm misunderstanding please clarify.[/INDENT]

Seems We've never had a military alliance with Ukraine.
And they were not... and thankfully still are not... part of NATO. (most corrupt nation in Europe etc).

Do we have an official alliance with Israel? I don't think so. We've sold them weapons for decades. But I don't thinks there's any official military "alliance".
And no I do not want to start or ASSUME any with Israel or any country.
No Middle Eastern Country. Even though we've sold weapons to MANY Middle Eastern countries.

Our alliance via NATO should be questioned.
Yes, like all agreements. For what's in our best interest.
But if Russia or China attacks a NATO nation, yes, we're obliged to join the resistance.
I'm good with that, for now.

BTW China doesn't have military bases, military ships & planes dotted all over the world but somehow everyone still understands that they are a worldwide threat. Maybe we can take notes and do the same. Maybe it's not NECESSARY to have bases & troops spread across the globe at the cost of billions per year. Maybe the money & manpower could be used better at home.
Maybe what we're doing now is based in a pre-WW2 mentality and there are better options.
Maybe Madison & MacArther were right, we don't need to go around the globe slaying dragons.

So do you want to go the other side of the world &, bomb Iran, Lebanon, Yemen & Syria into a parking lots (by proxy)?
And start WW3 with Russia and China because they are bad guys, and we'll 'have to' someday anyway. Will WW3 somehow make you feel safer?
If I'm misunderstanding please clarify.


Who we have or don't have alliances with is irrelevant for my question regarding your basic feelings about foreign policy in general and any possible war issues.

You asked about Alliances I replied about alliances.
What do you mean it's Irrelevant? sheesh. Does everyone here have different definition of irrelevant?

you ask about Alliances I answered about the alliances that are MOST relevant DIRECTLY TODAY... And the current potential war issues and gave a general template of what aspects we might adopt in future foreign military policy.

c'mon kath.
my answer was specfic & general.
Did you mean to ask a different question?
Or did you just want me to give an answer that fits your mis-characterization of a simply "isolationist".

[Kathianne]

You asked about Alliances I replied about alliances.
What do you mean it's Irrelevant? sheesh. Does everyone here have different definition of irrelevant?

you ask about Alliances I answered about the alliances that are MOST relevant DIRECTLY TODAY... And the current potential war issues and gave a general template of what aspects we might adopt in future foreign military policy.

c'mon kath.
my answer was specfic & general.
Did you mean to ask a different question?
Or did you just want me to give an answer that fits your mis-characterization of a simply "isolationist".

No rev, perhaps I put it badly. I was asking you OPINION on what srand you would like the US to
take if you could. What I put forward was what I thought you were saying, which I probably got wrong.

[SassyLady]

General question ... how many innocents has God killed while rooting out evil?

[Gunny]

Which side has more dead bodies, civilian & combatant, piled up since 10/7?
Which side is has more homeless?
Which side has more had land taken away, homes & buildings bombed to crap since 10/7?

numbers wise, what looks one sided gunny... in practical reality?
Remember now you brought up Christianity not me.
Can I get an honest Christian answer here?
How many more do you think Jesus wants Israel to make homeless & kill?
How often do you think Jesus would want to try peace? Maybe one more time than you or I?
Or would he want them to just kill them all, because we'll never have whirl peas?
Do you really care what Jesus wants here? or are you bringing up Christianity just to question my POV?So that's how you figure out right/wrong, good/bad? Who has the most bodies? Using that model no one is allowed to win but the bad guys because they don't care how many bodies they rack up as long as it's more.

My Christian belief is that there be no more wars. That isn't an option and not because of me and/or my beliefs. The part you don't get. The aggressors don' give a damn about your beliefs nor mine unless they suit their purposes for propaganda. Neither Israel nor Ukraine sought war. Both tried to avoid it. You fuck with the bull you get the horns. I have zero sympathy for Hezbollah, Hamas, and/or anyone that supports their sorry asses. They're going to burn in Hell for what they are. I have no problem with giving them a head start getting there.

You might think it's not your, or the US's, business but it most certainly is. From both a strategic and moral standpoint. These evil players intend to rule the World, and you along with it. Perhaps you're willing to go along to get along with that but I am not. I never will be. And I certainly don't believe in waiting for a missile to land in my yard to get a clue. Not when it can be stopped now, before it gets here.