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Kathianne
10-04-2024, 09:28 AM
Will it be union workers that pull Trump over the line?

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/10/04/those-non-endorsements-are-piling-up-for-kamala-n3795380


Those Non-Endorsements Are Piling Up For KamalaJazz Shaw 8:50 AM | October 04, 2024



AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin
For a politician, when does a failure to receive an expected endorsement get even worse than you initially thought? When it comes to labor unions, long seen as stalwart supporters of the Democrats, it's when they choose nobody instead of you. That was the case with the International Association of Fire Fighters, widely viewed as one of the most powerful labor unions in politics. They announced this week that they would not be endorsing Harris' presidential bid. Throwing more salt in the wound, they said they wouldn't be endorsing Donald Trump, either. Instead, they opted for "none of the above. They are far from the first union to make this choice. (Daily Wire)


Vice President Kamala Harris and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz suffered another major loss on Thursday after the nation’s largest firefighters union refused to endorse them.


Edward A. Kelly, General President, International Association of Fire Fighters, announced that the IAFF Executive Board voted to not endorse any candidate this year.


“Over the past year, the IAFF took unprecedented steps to hear our members’ views on the candidates and the policy issues that matter most to them,” Kelly said. “We encourage our members – and all eligible voters – to get out and make their voices heard in the upcoming election.”


Here's the official statement released by the union after the decision was handed down.




We've been seeing this from one union after another, including large segments of the auto workers. Democrats have been taking these endorsements for granted for years, but now the actions of Biden and Harris seem to be coming back to bite them. Donald Trump has been out on the campaign trail portraying himself as the candidate for the working class. He has made significant inroads in that sector of the electorate. The union leadership ranks haven't been able to bring themselves to endorse a Republican... at least, not yet. But the rank-and-file workers are clearly in the mood for a change to the status quo.


This chasm was even more on display with the auto workers. Internal polling showed that their members preferred Trump over Harris, but the management couldn't formally endorse Trump, so they just told their workers to vote for who they liked best. This will likely be one of the stronger performances turned in by a Republican among union workers that we've seen in living memory. Don't be shocked if more unions begin showing a bit of spine and an independent streak as well.


Will that be enough to make a difference in the swing states? Who knows? But in a race this close, everything appears to be up for grabs. In the end, it's not the endorsement of the management that counts. It's the number of workers who actually show up and cast their ballots.

Gunny
10-04-2024, 04:47 PM
Will it be union workers that pull Trump over the line?

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/10/04/those-non-endorsements-are-piling-up-for-kamala-n3795380Here's something I have NEVER seen pointed out in all this "this or that union endorses ...": Union members are not required to vote according to what the unions dictate. The ones who do not (want to) educate themselves might believe that, while outsiders automatically assume OMG! They've got the whole union's votes, but such is not true.

Dictating who someone can or cannot vote for is unlawful.

Kathianne
10-04-2024, 05:27 PM
Here's something I have NEVER seen pointed out in all this "this or that union endorses ...": Union members are not required to vote according to what the unions dictate. The ones who do not (want to) educate themselves might believe that, while outsiders automatically assume OMG! They've got the whole union's votes, but such is not true.

Dictating who someone can or cannot vote for is unlawful.

Totally get that, it's more of something that the party can use as speaking to their faithful. For the D's that has included unions for most, if not all of my lifetime. Usually $$$ follows the endorsements, though I'm sure the $$ has already been given to a certain degree.

Gunny
10-04-2024, 05:55 PM
Totally get that, it's more of something that the party can use as speaking to their faithful. For the D's that has included unions for most, if not all of my lifetime. Usually $$$ follows the endorsements, though I'm sure the $$ has already been given to a certain degree.

I'll tell you who is getting on my nerves. I can completely understand those who refuse to vote for Trump. Got it. I'm still hanging, undecided on whether to vote or not.

The ones I don't get are these politicians calling themselves Republicans for Harris. How's that again? Republicans willing to support this current Admin and/or the continuation of it? Now we've got the same toadies polluting the airwaves in Texas targeting Cruz. They're spending a fortune.

But don't tell me you're a conservative and/or Republican and voting for current chaos. F*CK THAT. Don't come around my house because I DO have an opinion and in this case, they'll get it. They're traitors, nothing more nor less.

Kathianne
10-04-2024, 05:56 PM
Totally get that, it's more of something that the party can use as speaking to their faithful. For the D's that has included unions for most, if not all of my lifetime. Usually $$$ follows the endorsements, though I'm sure the $$ has already been given to a certain degree.

More of an explanation here: The unions giving $$ are giving it from dues, obviously. The head of longshoremen, with his near $800k salary, isn't using his money. When the union guys in big enough numbers are voting for the other guy who's not getting their $$$, they get testy with their own leadership. Thus, 'no endorsement.'

Biden Harris are very pro-union leadership getting wealthier and wealthier.

Gunny
10-04-2024, 07:21 PM
More of an explanation here: The unions giving $$ are giving it from dues, obviously. The head of longshoremen, with his near $800k salary, isn't using his money. When the union guys in big enough numbers are voting for the other guy who's not getting their $$$, they get testy with their own leadership. Thus, 'no endorsement.'

Biden Harris are very pro-union leadership getting wealthier and wealthier.Unions are a scam. Mini versions of current government. Started out representing the people and devolved into representing themselves. The fact that Dems say they support unions (especially in election years) while Dem policies are the biggest cause of their demise is just another Dem knife in the back, IMO. It's ow they do business. Blacks, Jews, et al.

Kathianne
10-04-2024, 07:28 PM
Unions are a scam. Mini versions of current government. Started out representing the people and devolved into representing themselves. The fact that Dems say they support unions (especially in election years) while Dem policies are the biggest cause of their demise is just another Dem knife in the back, IMO. It's ow they do business. Blacks, Jews, et al.

To some degree it seems that the horrendous political leadership over the past 2 decades, covid, and now an economy that is crippling most is causing many to awaken from some weird rip van winkle wrinkle in time. LOL! Not so sure how many 'counted on groups' can really be counted on.