Now Speaking Of Flip Flopping

[Kathianne]

What about Trump? Well to me it's not so much flipping positions, rather returning to his 'values' of old. The flipping was for 2016 and 2020 I guess. Now that the Kamala, 'women's issues' is working, he is becoming clear. IVF should be paid for by private insurance or government. Abortions up to 24 weeks is ok.

What next? Bueller??

[fj1200]

Operation Warp Speed should have found a vaccine for foot-in-mouth disease.

[Kathianne]

I'm not the only one noticing:

https://pjmedia.com/paula-bolyard/2024/08/30/pro-life-voters-trump-stabbed-in-back-n4932132


What Will Pro-Life Voters Do Now That Trump Has Stabbed Them in the Back? [Updated]Paula Bolyard | 4:53 PM on August 30, 2024



AP Photo/Evan Vucci
Last night, Donald Trump told a reporter he isn't sure he'll vote for Florida's Amendment 4. A "no" vote means that abortion would be enshrined in the state constitution and protected through all nine months of pregnancy for any reason.


Earlier in the day, Trump had announced (in very Obama-esque fashion) that if elected, “the Government will pay for or your insurance company will be mandated to pay for all costs associated with IVF treatment."




Both things are anathema to many in the pro-life community, particularly those with deeply held religious views.


Let's start with the IVF announcement. The reason pro-lifers of many faiths, including Roman Catholics and evangelical Protestants, oppose IVF is that unused embryos (baby humans) are either destroyed or confined to a storage freezer in perpetuity. For those who believe life begins at the moment of conception, the destruction of human embryos is akin to murder.


You can agree or disagree. You can call people names and bully them for their beliefs, but they exist, and many of them will now stay home on Election Day as a result of Trump's announcement. Trump is betting that the number of suburban women who will suddenly see the light, stop hating Trump, and vote for him will exceed the number of pro-life voters he loses with this announcement. He's hoping that freebies—paid for by Americans who already can't afford health insurance—will lure them in. It's the same thing that Biden is trying to do with student loan payoffs, only with life and death on the line.


Now, on to the second issue. Florida Amendment 4 declares that "no law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient’s health, as determined by the patient’s healthcare provider.” Anyone who's been involved in the pro-life movement for more than three minutes knows that "health of the mother" can be used to justify abortion for any reason—physical complications, diabetes, depression, whatever—through all nine months of pregnancy. So a vote for Amendment 4 is a vote for unlimited abortion in Florida. Why isn't Trump out there trying to win on this issue instead of giving the Left what it wants?


The current law of the land in Florida is a six-week abortion ban. “I think the six weeks is too short,” Trump told NBC News. “It has to be more time. I told them that I want more weeks.”




“I am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks,” he added.


The only way to get more than six weeks is to vote for the radical Amendment 4. Those are the only two choices in this election.


"In the past, Trump has said he supports a ban on abortions after 15 weeks gestation — which is a relatively small percentage of the abortions performed in the United States. A 15-week ban would do little to stem the crimson tide of death in our country.




It must be noted that Trump hates Ron DeSantis, despite DeSantis bending over backward to placate him over the last several years. DeSantis "betrayed" Trump by running against him in the primary—you know, that democratic primary thing that separates us from third-world banana republics and Democrats. Trump has treated DeSantis like he's Public Enemy #1 and has done everything in his power to destroy the most successful Republican governor in my lifetime. All because he didn't like being challenged.


Did Trump make this comment to deny DeSantis a win—at the expense of unborn babies? The question must be asked.


At any rate, this is not how a pro-life person talks or votes. Trump claimed in June that he's proud to be "the most pro-life president" in U.S. history, and now he's saying he will vote for the most radical abortion law Flordia has ever seen—much more radical than under Roe, which allowed some restrictions on abortion.


While it's true that Trump appointed conservative justices to the Supreme Court (with the help of Sen. Mitch McConnell), which led to overturning Roe v. Wade, it remains to be seen if throwing the decision back to the states will be a good thing. The Left has grand plans to go state by state to enshrine abortion into constitutions far and wide. They did it in Ohio—a solid red state—by lying to women, telling them that they wouldn't be allowed to get miscarriage care unless the amendment passed. Now, the Republican state legislature is impotent to pass any restrictions on abortion, including parental consent and a ban on late-term abortions. It's an abortion free-for-all in the Buckeye State.


That's what they're trying to do in Florida and other states, and the radicals may very well win, especially now that they have Trump's tacit (or maybe explicit) support. We're all glad to have conservative justices on the Supreme Court, but the job is not done. Being pro-life is not a one-and-done proposition. Those of us who believe life is sacred from conception to natural death do not accept abortion anywhere. Every abortion is a tragedy and a crime against humanity, and we must never cease the fight to end it.


For those of us who joined the Republican Party because it fought for the lives of the unborn, Trump's statement on Amendment 4 is completely unacceptable. It's letting the Left win without a fight. Barely even a whimper. And by the way, it's not lost on pro-life voters that Trump is running around campaigning with pro-abortion Democrats Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard.


We're all supposed to get in line and join the rah-rah abortion team now because Trump is rah-rah abortion up to 15 weeks or whatever (when 96% of abortions occur). But guess what? Not everyone will. Again, ridicule and bully them all you want, but single-issue voters exist, and since the '80s, they've been one of the legs of the Republican stool. What's left of that leg—after half of it was hacked off when Republicans gave in to the Left on gay marriage—is hanging by a splinter.


Single-issue voters who faithfully go to the polls every election to vote for pro-life candidates will now be soul-searching. Many will conclude that the Republican Party is no longer the party of life, at least at the presidential level. Some will reason that Kamala would be worse and hold their noses and vote for Trump, but others will not.


Reading through online commentary and social media over the last 12 hours, I've seen a number of people say something like, "I was going back and forth about voting for Trump, but now I will not vote for him." These voters won't pull the lever for Kamala Harris—not the true pro-life ones anyway—they'll just quietly stay home.


That's Trump's gamble. The polls have Trump and Harris within the margin of error right now, and Trump chose this moment to betray his most faithful voting block. Brilliant. If he loses in November, pro-life voters will be blamed. As convenient as that scapegoat would be, if Trump loses, the blame will lie squarely at his feet and his decision to jettison an issue near and dear to the hearts of many, many Republican voters. Politics is transactional: You do something for me, or promise me something, and I'll vote for you. No politician is owed our loyalty.


If Trump wants pro-life votes, he will have to earn them. Or he can hope for the best with a coalition of Democrat-leaning women who are predisposed not to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.


Update: Shortly after publishing time, Trump told a Fox News reporter that he would vote "no" on Amendment 4. I don't know what changed in less than 24 hours, but it's a good development and I hope he sticks with it.




"At the same time, the Democrats are radical because the nine months is just a ridiculous situation that where you can do an abortion in the ninth month. And you know, some of the states, like Minnesota and other states have it where you could actually execute the baby after birth, and all of that stuff is unacceptable, so I'll be voting 'no' for that reason."


Nevertheless, it remains to be seen whether pro-life voters will trust Trump on this issue when they go into the voting booth in November.

[Gunny]

I'm not the only one noticing:

https://pjmedia.com/paula-bolyard/2024/08/30/pro-life-voters-trump-stabbed-in-back-n4932132

Trump or Harris. It's like a contest between Dumb and Dumber for the title:bang3:

[Black Diamond]

24 weeks is too late.

[Kathianne]

24 weeks is too late.

I'm certainly not disagreeing with that.

Between him and her, well she is more unacceptable, but that's the best that can be said. We get what we deserve I guess.

I insisted he never was 'conservative,' but those on the train just laughed. He spent money like crazy and now he's coming closer to his real self. That it's better than Harris, well that's faint praise indeed.

[Gunny]

I'm certainly not disagreeing with that.

Between him and her, well she is more unacceptable, but that's the best that can be said. We get what we deserve I guess.

I insisted he never was 'conservative,' but those on the train just laughed. He spent money like crazy and now he's coming closer to his real self. That it's better than Harris, well that's faint praise indeed.Agree. There's no "win" here. Not for the Nation nor its people. We lose no matter what. It is a direct result of the people not holding the elected officials accountable and accepting (willingly or not) the mediocre offerings of the two parties.

Republicans get a populist who's changing his platform as he goes along while the Dems get a woke, illiterate cackling hen. One would think we could do better:rolleyes:

[Kathianne]

Agree. There's no "win" here. Not for the Nation nor its people. We lose no matter what. It is a direct result of the people not holding the elected officials accountable and accepting (willingly or not) the mediocre offerings of the two parties.

Republicans get a populist who's changing his platform as he goes along while the Dems get a woke, illiterate cackling hen. One would think we could do better:rolleyes:

Something to keep in mind, Trump will stick with what he's now saying, it's what he's always thought. OTOH, Harris is going to be left of Biden, regardless of what she, or rather her 'spokespeople' are saying, off the record.

[Gunny]

Something to keep in mind, Trump will stick with what he's now saying, it's what he's always thought. OTOH, Harris is going to be left of Biden, regardless of what she, or rather her 'spokespeople' are saying, off the record.

I agree. Problem is Harris and Biden's string pullers are running a positive campaign with a willing MSM trumpeting the wonders of it all while Trump has just descended back into nastiness and tit-for-tat name-calling. IMO, Harris making no claims and taking few stances, even when waffling is perceived as less bad than Trump making false ones.

[Kathianne]

Yep, co-opting ObamaCare ans all the fiscal irresponsilities:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-ivf-coverage-healthcare-republicans-election-4ba62cab?st=qikpolama28wpp4&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

[Gunny]

Yep, co-opting ObamaCare ans all the fiscal irresponsilities:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-ivf-coverage-healthcare-republicans-election-4ba62cab?st=qikpolama28wpp4&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

Just shaking my head. If the Federal government has no place in abortion (a decision his and-picked Justices rendered) then why on Earth should it have ANY hand in reproduction at all? I get the play for voters, but WTF? This is the best he can do is open a huge can of worms?

Go after the economy. Go after the Border/illegal immigration and how it is affecting the economy by its effect on the social infrastructure. Go after Harris's commie policies. Go after Shumer claiming he going to tank the filibuster if the Dems get the Senate majority.

There's plenty of crap out there that's a relatively safe stand with people on both sides of the aisle without dragging contrived controversy down on himself.

What a f-ing rube:rolleyes: