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Kathianne
06-08-2024, 10:11 AM
Now how to bring a peaceful end to the ME turmoil? revelarts got some ideas on how to deal with these folks?



https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/06/yemens-huthi-rebels-detain-aid-workers-including-11-un-staff#:~:text=Yemen's%20Iran%2Dbacked%20Huthi%20re bels,and%20the%20UN%20said%20Friday.


Yemen's Huthi rebels detain aid workers, including 11 UN staffA United Nations vehicle in Yemen's third city of Taez, in February
by Hashem Osseiran
June 7, 2024 — Dubai (AFP)

Yemen's Iran-backed Huthi rebels have detained more than a dozen aid workers, including 11 United Nations staff, in an apparently coordinated crackdown, the Yemeni government, aid groups and the UN said Friday.


The abductions underline the perilous task facing aid workers in Yemen, whose long-running civil war has precipitated one of the world's worst humanitarian crises.


"Huthi de facto authorities have detained 11 United Nations national personnel working in Yemen," UN spokesperson Stephane Dujarric said.


"We're pursuing all available channels to secure the safe and unconditional release of all of them as rapidly as possible."


The Yemeni Mayyun Organization for Human Rights said at least 18 Yemeni aid workers were kidnapped in four rebel-held parts of the war-torn country.


The "simultaneous" abductions took place in Sanaa, the key port of Hodeida, Amran and Saada, the rebels' traditional stronghold, the aid group said.


Human Rights Watch said the Huthis "appear to be arbitrarily detaining the individuals based on their employment," adding that the whereabouts of many remain unknown.


The abductees include the husband and children, ages three years and nine months, of a woman who works with a civil society organisation in Yemen, HRW said.


The Huthis have kidnapped, arbitrarily detained and tortured hundreds of civilians, including UN and NGO workers, since the start of Yemen's conflict in 2014, according to rights groups.


Yemen's internationally recognised government condemned the "massive abduction campaign," saying it targeted "dozens of employees of UN agencies, the office of UN envoy Hans Grundberg, and several international organisations working" in the capital Sanaa and other Huthi-run areas.


In a statement on social media platform X, Information Minister Moammar al-Eryani called it an "unprecedented escalation and a flagrant violation of international laws and conventions".


There was no immediate comment from the Huthis.


- 'Serious escalation' -


"The Huthi armed group raided the homes and kidnapped staff of the United Nations and other international organisations operating in four governorates under" their control, the Mayyun Organization said.


This "serious escalation... constitutes a violation of the privileges and immunities of United Nations personnel", it added, describing the abductions as "blackmail practises in order to obtain political and economic gains".


Several aid workers have been killed or kidnapped throughout the conflict, forcing international agencies to temporarily suspend operations or pull out international staff as a security precaution.


"The Huthis' actions are undermining essential humanitarian work in Yemen at a time when the majority of Yemenis do not have adequate access to basic necessities like food and water," Niku Jafarnia, Yemen researcher at Human Rights Watch, told AFP.


The Yemeni information minister said the Huthis have "previously abducted dozens of United Nations employees", with at least three kidnapped over the past three years still in detention.


Last year, charity Save the Children suspended operations for 10 days in northern Yemen after a staff member died in detention in the rebel-held capital.


Also last year, a long-serving staffer with the UN World Food Programme was shot and killed in the southern city of Taez by unknown gunmen.


The Huthis seized control of Sanaa in September 2014, prompting a Saudi-led military intervention on behalf of the government the following March.


Since November, they have launched a flurry of drone and missile strikes targeting ships in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, a campaign they say is intended to signal solidarity with Palestinians amid the Gaza war.



Never forget:

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/irans-support-houthis-what-know


ran’s Support of the Houthis: What to KnowBy Kali Robinson


March 1, 2024 4:36 pm (EST)



Iranian support has boosted the military prowess of Yemen’s Houthis, helping them project force into the Red Sea. In return, the group has extended the reach of Iran’s anti-West axis of resistance.


Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi movement is emerging as one of the Middle East’s most potent nonstate actors as Israel’s war against Hamas rages on in the Gaza Strip. The group’s ability to maintain disruptive strikes in the Red Sea raises fresh questions about the extent of its ties with Iran.


Who are the Houthis?


Elliott Abrams


The Houthis are a local rebel movement that currently rules a third of Yemen’s territory and two-thirds of its population. They revolted against the internationally recognized government in 2011 and overthrew it in 2014. Yemen’s civil war continues today, with its front lines largely frozen. The Houthis’ government, based in the capital, Sanaa, is recognized only by Iran. Influenced by strict readings of Islamic law and local caste-based traditions, Houthi governance is considered repressive by human rights watchdogs. The Houthis’ infamous, Iranian-inspired rallying cry points to their ambitions beyond Yemen: “God is great, death to America, death to Israel, a curse upon the Jews, victory to Islam.” The United States designates them as a terrorist group.


The Houthis are formally known as Ansar Allah (Supporters of God in Arabic), but their popular name refers to the movement’s leaders, who come from northern Yemen’s Houthi tribe. Originally a political movement, the Houthis militarized in the late 2000s, fighting wars against Yemen’s government. They command some twenty thousand fighters, a mix of tribal forces and troops formerly loyal to the government. The Houthi movement is rooted in Zaidism, also known as “Fiver” Shiite Islam, meaning it recognizes only the first five of the Prophet Mohammed’s successors. It is practiced mainly in northern Yemen, where it has also taken on elements of Sunni Islam. Zaidis compose around a third of Yemen’s population of thirty-four million.


A map of Yemen showing that the northwestern area is Houthi controlled


How did the Houthis become aligned with Iran?
By some experts’ estimations, Iranian military support to the Houthis began as early as 2009, amid the Houthis’ first war against Yemen’s government. Most experts agree that the Houthis were receiving weapons from Iran by 2014, the year they captured Sanaa. In both cases, military intervention against the Houthis by Iran’s regional rival, Saudi Arabia, likely catalyzed Tehran’s increased interest in the group.


A map of the Middle East showing notable Iran-backed militias in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, and Yemen Militant groups allied with Iran are frequently called Tehran’s proxies, but many experts say the Houthis are better characterized as Iran’s willing partner [PDF]. Iran’s model of “exporting” its 1979 Islamic Revolution by cultivating armed groups in the region allows these groups a degree of flexibility, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy’s Michael Knights tells CFR. “It doesn’t tend to force groups like the Houthis to choose between what they want to do locally and the Iranian model,” he says. However, the Houthis and the Islamic Republic share an ideological affinity [PDF] and geopolitical interests that motivate the Houthis to assist Iran. “They don’t have to be told, they don’t have to be coerced, they don’t even really have to be bribed. They’re a very loyal fellow traveler to the Islamic Revolution in Iran.”


While the Houthis hold Iran’s supreme leader and the Islamic Revolution in high esteem, notable differences separate them from Iran and its closest partners. The Houthis don’t practice the “Twelver” Shiism prevalent in Iran, though they have reportedly incorporated Twelver beliefs into their interpretation of Zaidism. They also weren’t founded with Iran’s help, as groups including Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Iraq’s Badr Organization were. And unlike with some Iran-backed groups, Houthi leader Abdul-Malik al-Houthi reportedly doesn’t see himself as subordinate to Iran’s supreme leader.


How extensive is the military relationship?


Houthi fighters display ballistic missiles during a military parade commemorating their takeover in Sanaa. Khaled Abdullah/Reuters
Iran is the Houthis’ primary benefactor, providing them mostly with security assistance, such as weapons transfers, training, and intelligence support. In late January 2024, for example, U.S. forces intercepted a shipment carrying military aid from Iran to the Houthis, including drone parts, missile warheads, and anti-tank missile units. Such aid mainly reaches the Houthis via Iran’s paramilitary Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).


In return for Iran’s aid, the Houthis serve as an increasingly important part of Iran’s “axis of resistance," a network of state and nonstate actors seeking to undermine Western influence in the Middle East. That mission involves pushing the United States out of the region, destroying Israel, and intimidating those countries’ regional partners. The Houthis regularly engage with leaders from across the alliance, especially Hezbollah, Knights says, and that group provides the Houthis with support at Iran’s behest. In addition, IRGC and Hezbollah representatives advise the Houthis’ military command authority, the Jihad Council, though their influence on Houthi decision-making is unclear, Knights wrote [PDF] in 2022.


For the Houthis, the Iran connection provides more sophisticated weaponry than they could acquire on their own, especially missiles and drones. Iranian support has bolstered the group’s fighting abilities, helping the Houthis gain and maintain military superiority within Yemen, but experts say it has had greater impact elsewhere. “The role of Iran has been decisive in providing the Houthis with smuggled weapons and expertise to project power into the Red Sea and Bab al-Mandab Strait,” Gulf analyst Eleonora Ardemagni writes for the Yemen-based Sana’a Center for Strategic Studies.


The Houthis assist Iran by menacing Saudi Arabia’s border and protecting Iranian ships in the Red Sea, giving Iran room to evade sanctions on oil shipping, Iran expert Mohammad Ayatollahi Tabaar writes in Foreign Affairs. At the same time, the Houthis help field test Iranian-made weapons on Yemen’s front lines and in the Red Sea. Like all axis members, the Houthis offer Iran plausible deniability; members routinely claim responsibility for attacks likely ordered or perpetrated by Iran. For instance, many experts blame Iran for attacks on Saudi Arabia’s oil facilities that the Houthis claimed in September 2019.


In what the Houthis are calling a show of support for Hamas and Palestinians, the group has attacked supposed U.S.- and Israel-linked targets in the Red Sea and even fired missiles at Israel, with ruinous effects for international shipping. Experts say it is unclear whether Iran or Houthi leaders ordered the initial strikes, but Tehran has voiced its unequivocal support for the operations and reportedly assists the Houthis in targeting vessels. The Houthi threat in the Red Sea concerns Washington especially, as freedom of navigation is a core U.S. interest. In response, the United States is working with the United Kingdom to bomb Houthi targets in Yemen, and U.S. and European Union naval missions are protecting ships in the Red Sea.


But efforts to halt the attacks have been unsuccessful so far and have instead highlighted the strength of Iran’s axis of resistance. At the same time, experts say, the war is boosting the Houthis’ status among Iran’s partners and raising their reputation in Yemen and beyond. In a December report, the Sana’a Center’s editorial board wrote, “For the Houthis, this is a golden opportunity to capitalize on widespread support for the Palestinian cause to raise their flagging popularity inside territories under their control, while pressing their case to the outside world that they are the only effective authority in Yemen.”

Gunny
06-08-2024, 01:00 PM
Now how to bring a peaceful end to the ME turmoil? @revelarts (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1760) got some ideas on how to deal with these folks?



https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/06/yemens-huthi-rebels-detain-aid-workers-including-11-un-staff#:~:text=Yemen's%20Iran%2Dbacked%20Huthi%20re bels,and%20the%20UN%20said%20Friday.



Never forget:

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/irans-support-houthis-what-know

I got a few ideas :smoke:

revelarts
06-09-2024, 05:21 AM
Kath,
The U.S. has been bombing Yemen since GWBush, with and without Saudi help.
I've got post on the board mentioning the attacks on Yemen since like 2010 at least. I know I complained about it during Obama's run.

So it seems that bombing the crap out of them and starving the population to death for 20+ years hasn't brought "peace" yet either.
Are you saying the U.S. should do MORE bombing and maybe an overt instead of covert genocide should be done... to bring peace?
It's almost like some "leadership" in our country want perpetual wars. Or general domination of the M.E. for some odd reason.
Seems there'a always some "good" excuse to bomb/overthrow countries there that do not fully cooperate with (do biz with) the U.S..

Kathianne
06-09-2024, 09:28 AM
Kath,
The U.S. has been bombing Yemen since GWBush, with and without Saudi help.
I've got post on the board mentioning the attacks on Yemen since like 2010 at least. I know I complained about it during Obama's run.

So it seems that bombing the crap out of them and starving the population to death for 20+ years hasn't brought "peace" yet either.
Are you saying the U.S. should do MORE bombing and maybe an overt instead of covert genocide should be done... to bring peace?
It's almost like some "leadership" in our country want perpetual wars. Or general domination of the M.E. for some odd reason.
Seems there'a always some "good" excuse to bomb/overthrow countries there that do not fully cooperate with (do biz with) the U.S..

I'm saying that if a country is making war on US or US ally, we should treat it as such and finish. Just like Israel should finish the Hamas. War is not genocide, only college aged kids searching for a cause, but too ignorant to deal with reality use that term so inappropriately.

revelarts
06-09-2024, 07:37 PM
I'm saying that if a country is making war on US or US ally, we should treat it as such and finish. Just like Israel should finish the Hamas. War is not genocide, only college aged kids searching for a cause, but too ignorant to deal with reality use that term so inappropriately.
Yemen did not start a war with Saudi Arabia. Yeman had civil war. the side the the U.S. & the saudis liked lost. so the the U.S. & the the Saudis and other "friendly" M.E. players formed a collation to attack the new gov't.. So since about 2015 U.S. & the Saudis+ have attacked, bombed and starved the people of Yemen trying to dislodge the new rebel gov't..

So what you're saying doesn't apply.
We have no business there suppling arms and "tactical support" neither does our proxy Saudi Arabi.

As far a genocide is concerned the term does get a lot of loose play.
Was hitlers killing of the jews genocide or attempted genocide? there are still plenty of Jews in Europe & the world.
Was what was happening to the Tootsies in Rwanda a genocide?
Was what happened in Cambodia a genocide?
Was what happen to the native Americans a genocide?
Is part of the definition that it can only apply to countries other than the U.S., Israel or our allies?


Here's a link to Catholic relief services view of the crisis from a couple of years ago.
https://www.crs.org/media-center/current-issues/yemen-crisis-facts-and-how-help
You tell me what you think.
I'm not wedded to the term genocide here, but millions of people in danger of malnutrition seems like it's in the ballpark of that kind of horror show.
I'll spare you picture I've seen over the past 10 years.

Kathianne
06-09-2024, 07:50 PM
Yemen did not start a war with Saudi Arabia. Yeman had civil war. the side the the U.S. & the saudis liked lost. so the the U.S. & the the Saudis and other "friendly" M.E. players formed a collation to attack the new gov't.. So since about 2015 U.S. & the Saudis+ have attacked, bombed and starved the people of Yemen trying to dislodge the new rebel gov't..

So what you're saying doesn't apply.
We have no business there suppling arms and "tactical support" neither does our proxy Saudi Arabi.

As far a genocide is concerned the term does get a lot of loose play.
Was hitlers killing of the jews genocide or attempted genocide? there are still plenty of Jews in Europe & the world.
Was what was happening to the Tootsies in Rwanda a genocide?
Was what happened in Cambodia a genocide?
Was what happen to the native Americans a genocide?
Is part of the definition that it can only apply to countries other than the U.S., Israel or our allies?


Here's a link to Catholic relief services view of the crisis from a couple of years ago.
https://www.crs.org/media-center/current-issues/yemen-crisis-facts-and-how-help
You tell me what you think.
I'm not wedded to the term genocide here, but millions of people in danger of malnutrition seems like it's in the ballpark of that kind of horror show.
I'll spare you picture I've seen over the past 10 years.

Actually it does apply, today. They're giving aid and comfort to Houthis, willingly or not. Fear of Iran trumps all else.

revelarts
06-09-2024, 08:33 PM
Actually it does apply, today. They're giving aid and comfort to Houthis, willingly or not. Fear of Iran trumps all else.

So any nation or group Iran helps deserves to starve to death and be bombed for 10-20+ years... for peace. thats the standard?
Because Iran might attack the U.S. and kill us all.
ok.

Kathianne
06-09-2024, 09:49 PM
So any nation or group Iran helps deserves to starve to death and be bombed for 10-20+ years... for peace. thats the standard?
Because Iran might attack the U.S. and kill us all.
ok.

Over the top. Countries Iran is supporting with weapons being used against US or allies.

revelarts
06-10-2024, 12:54 AM
Over the top. Countries Iran is supporting with weapons being used against US or allies.
Yemen did not attack Saudi Arabia, Yemen had a civil war. then the Saudis interjected themselves with U.S. backing/encouragement.
the way you frame it, your justification does not apply.
Yemen WAS NOT a Country Iran is supporting with weapons being used against US or allies.
Only after the Sauds inserted themselves did the NEW Yemen gov't (Houthis) send anything their way.
The Saudis & the US have basically done the same thing that Russia has done to Ukraine, but FAR longer & worse.

Gunny
06-10-2024, 02:57 PM
Kath,
The U.S. has been bombing Yemen since GWBush, with and without Saudi help.
I've got post on the board mentioning the attacks on Yemen since like 2010 at least. I know I complained about it during Obama's run.

So it seems that bombing the crap out of them and starving the population to death for 20+ years hasn't brought "peace" yet either.
Are you saying the U.S. should do MORE bombing and maybe an overt instead of covert genocide should be done... to bring peace?
It's almost like some "leadership" in our country want perpetual wars. Or general domination of the M.E. for some odd reason.
Seems there'a always some "good" excuse to bomb/overthrow countries there that do not fully cooperate with (do biz with) the U.S..Bombing terrorists is good.

revelarts
06-10-2024, 04:46 PM
Bombing terrorists is good.
you sure?

US House Judiciary Republicans: DOJ labeled dozens of parents as terrorist threats (https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/us-house-judiciary-republicans-doj-labeled-dozens-of-parents-as-terrorist)

V is for OPERATION VIGILANT EAGLE. One of several government initiatives dating back to 2009 that call for heightened scrutiny of those who challenge the government’s authority, this particular program calls for surveillance of military veterans, characterizing them as extremists and potential domestic terrorist threats because they may be “disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123992665198727459
https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/85916/the-steady-slide-towards-tyranny-how-freedom-dies-from-a-to.html
CBS REPORTS:U.S. terrorist watchlist grows to 2 million people — nearly doubling in 6 years
(https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-terrorist-watchlist-grows/)

Gunny
06-11-2024, 02:10 PM
you sure?

US House Judiciary Republicans: DOJ labeled dozens of parents as terrorist threats (https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/us-house-judiciary-republicans-doj-labeled-dozens-of-parents-as-terrorist)

V is for OPERATION VIGILANT EAGLE. One of several government initiatives dating back to 2009 that call for heightened scrutiny of those who challenge the government’s authority, this particular program calls for surveillance of military veterans, characterizing them as extremists and potential domestic terrorist threats because they may be “disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123992665198727459
https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/85916/the-steady-slide-towards-tyranny-how-freedom-dies-from-a-to.html
CBS REPORTS:U.S. terrorist watchlist grows to 2 million people — nearly doubling in 6 years
(https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-terrorist-watchlist-grows/)

Semantics:rolleyes:

BTW, UN aid workers are not "the US".

revelarts
06-11-2024, 03:23 PM
Semantics:rolleyes:

BTW, UN aid workers are not "the US".
"UN aid workers are not "the US"
That's Semantics to some folks around the world too?

Gunny
06-12-2024, 04:57 PM
"UN aid workers are not "the US"
That's Semantics to some folks around the world too?You mean because any dolt with half a lick of sense can see the UN and US are usually at odds?. Then again, that kind of answers my own question, doesn't it?:rolleyes: