Ukrainian elections postponed ---and --- CIA tells Zelinsky stop stealing so much

[revelarts]

CIA To Zelensky: 'Please Stop Stealing So Much.'
Apr 22, 2024 at 12:41 PM
According to a new article by Seymour Hersh, CIA Director William Burns traveled to Kiev earlier this year to ask Zelensky to stop skimming so much off the top of US aid money. Apparently his top generals were angry that he was skimming more than they were! Meanwhile Congress voted to send $60 billion MORE to the corrupt regime. With the money approved, calls are now going out for Western TROOPS to be sent to Ukraine. Also today: Trump's alleged "hush money" is "election interference"?

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/cia-to-zelensky-please-stop-stealing-so-much





Ukrainian elections postponed with Zelenskyy's term set to end in May | DD India


Martial law... just until the end of the war.
So no election.. but they can still take polls that say 69% of the people agree with not having elections.
:rolleyes:

https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/11/ukraine-democracy-reforms-now-elections-when-possible


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnj3LzGxayU






"for Democracy!"

[Gunny]

*yawn*

Fact check: Posts make unsupported claims about Zelenskyy's finances (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/04/05/fact-check-post-unsupported-claim-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-assets-and-income/11592626002/)

PolitiFact | Did Volodymyr Zelenskyy use US aid to buy yachts? No, that’s False (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/feb/21/instagram-posts/did-volodymyr-zelenskyy-use-us-aid-to-buy-yachts-n/)

Shortchanged: Seymour Hersh's Claim Zelenskyy Embezzled $400M in US Aid Lacks Evidence | Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/04/19/400-million-embezzled/)

U.S. Aid to Ukraine, Explained - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/u-s-aid-to-ukraine-explained/)

:bye1:

[revelarts]

*yawn*

Fact check: Posts make unsupported claims about Zelenskyy's finances (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/04/05/fact-check-post-unsupported-claim-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-assets-and-income/11592626002/)

PolitiFact | Did Volodymyr Zelenskyy use US aid to buy yachts? No, that’s False (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/feb/21/instagram-posts/did-volodymyr-zelenskyy-use-us-aid-to-buy-yachts-n/)

Shortchanged: Seymour Hersh's Claim Zelenskyy Embezzled $400M in US Aid Lacks Evidence | Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/04/19/400-million-embezzled/)

U.S. Aid to Ukraine, Explained - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/u-s-aid-to-ukraine-explained/)

:bye1:

Snopes and other factcheckers say it ain't so.
The same folks that told us the vaxs were 90+% effective, didn't leave the arm, didn't get into breast milk, didn't cause menstrual issues etc.
That there's no evidence of a lab leak?

Folks can believe what they want but
If I have to choose based on track records, I'll go with Sy Hersh.

[Black Diamond]

What? No Facebook "independent" fact checkers?

[Black Diamond]

What? No Facebook "independent" fact checkers?

Come to think of it i think they use those sources

[Gunny]

Snopes and other factcheckers say it ain't so.
The same folks that told us the vaxs were 90+% effective, didn't leave the arm, didn't get into breast milk, didn't cause menstrual issues etc.
That there's no evidence of a lab leak?

Folk can believe what they want but
If I have to choose based on track records, I'll go with Sy Hersh.But of course. It suits what you wish to believe:rolleyes:

[Black Diamond]

I don't know who sy is but i think snopes and poiitifact are about as reliable as Hillaryclinton.com for fact checking

[Gunny]

What? No Facebook "independent" fact checkers?Where do you think the accusation comes from? One of those stellar, social media outlets.

[Black Diamond]

Where do you think the accusation comes from? One of those stellar, social media outlets.

Quite possible. Hard to know who to believe.

[Gunny]

Come to think of it i think they use those sourcesAgain, people are going to believe what suits their narrative. How's this for one:

The people who don't support Ukraine want to see NATO/US/US troops fighting Russia.

Ridiculous, you say? Depends on how you present the story. While I doubt any such thing is true, when you add up all the facts it's easy to infer.

[Black Diamond]

Again, people are going to believe what suits their narrative. How's this for one:

The people who don't support Ukraine want to see NATO/US/US troops fighting Russia.

Ridiculous, you say? Depends on how you present the story. While I doubt any such thing is true, when you add up all the facts it's easy to infer.

I don't think zelensky can walk on water. I have been irritated by alternative news as well as "fact checkers" who say it's false whenever it doesn't line up with what the Biden regime says and does .

[revelarts]

But of course. It suits what you wish to believe:rolleyes:

Tell you the truth Gunny, I'd much prefer that Zelinsky wasn't a crook. and that Ukraine was having a fair election. & Russia & the U.S./NATO would just leave.

But I'd like to know the truth, whatever it is.
If I thought your links were factual or negated the reports I'd accept it.

[Gunny]

Tell you the truth Gunny, I'd much prefer that Zelinsky wasn't a crook. and that Ukraine was having a fair election. & Russia & the U.S./NATO would just leave.

But I'd like to know the truth, whatever it is.
If I thought your links were factual or negated the reports I'd accept it.You have no evidence beyond gossip that he's a crook. And yes you do want him to be one. In your mind it justifies your anti-Ukraine stance.

I would be absolutely fine if Russia would get out of Ukraine so nobody else has to die there. Understanding war and wishing for it are two different things.

[Black Diamond]

You have no evidence beyond gossip that he's a crook. And yes you do want him to be one. In your mind it justifies your anti-Ukraine stance.

I would be absolutely fine if Russia would get out of Ukraine so nobody else has to die there. Understanding war and wishing for it are two different things.

Offer/Develop a treaty saying Ukraine never joins NATO and see what happens.

[revelarts]

You have no evidence beyond gossip that he's a crook. And yes you do want him to be one. In your mind it justifies your anti-Ukraine stance.

I would be absolutely fine if Russia would get out of Ukraine so nobody else has to die there. Understanding war and wishing for it are two different things.

Well, Even if Zelesky were honest I'd still be against sending 200 billion to Ukraine for the war.
but you can tell me what i REALLY think in your reply.

but concerning Ukraines corruption in general
https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-war-corruption/

https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/10/07/ukraine-is-corrupt-to-the-core-says-leading-candidate-for-polish-ruling-party/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-zelenskyy-anticorruption-efforts-1.6972301

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-corruption-scandal-crackdown-treason-ukraine-war-democracy-antac-anti-corruption-action-center/


https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2024/01/29/Ukraine-Zelensky-releases-personal-finances/8921706529739/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/zelenskyy-aide-corruption-ukraine-people-stealing-theres-tomorrow



https://eurasianet.org/a-brief-history-of-corruption-in-ukraine-the-dawn-of-the-zelensky-era
...
The Kolomoisky challenge

One of the biggest questions about Zelensky has been his connection with Igor Kolomoisky, a prominent oligarch currently worth about $1 billion.

Kolomoisky controls multiple assets across various sectors in Ukraine, including heavy industry, oil and gas, media, ferrous metals and chemicals, agriculture and air transport. In the years prior to Zelensky’s presidency, Kolomoisky feared prosecution in Ukraine and resided in Switzerland and Israel.

Kolomoisky’s media empire supported Zelensky during the election and the two have had a close business and personal connection since 2012, when Zelensky’s company, Kvartal 95, signed a contract with Kolomoisky’s media holding, 1+1, for the production of sitcoms and films, most notably a comedy show also called Kvartal 95.

Kolomoisky has publicly acknowledged that he has continued to talk via telephone with Zelensky since his election, albeit “rarely.” During a televised debate two days before the vote, Zelensky vowed Kolomoisky would not get any preferential treatment during his presidency: “If Kolomoisky breaks the law, he will go to jail,” he said.

Kolomoisky’s luck seemed to turn in 2019 following Zelensky’s election. He returned home from exile and started winning a series of court cases related to the nationalization of PrivatBank, which he owned until 2016. ...

[Gunny]

Offer/Develop a treaty saying Ukraine never joins NATO and see what happens.Not sure how you see that working. They already had it. Prior to Russia's invasion, even after Putin illegally annexed Crimea, there was nor plan nor talk of Ukraine joining NATO. Maybe by the same type knuckleheads talking Texas secession:rolleyes:. Europe and the US were hands off as long as the status quo was maintained. The NATO talk began in earnest after Russia invaded.

While the naysayers like to live on the technicality of 'everyone promised XXXX wouldn't join NATO", is not current events enough evidence to support why most Eastern European Nations first move was to join? Their fears of Russia appear to be justified. He's annexed part of Georgia and Ukraine.

I wouldn't make a deal with him. He's got a serious case of Hitler-envy.



“A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.”
“A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.”

[revelarts]

Just a Reminder,
Ukraine did not have any elections.... for freedom.
His term ended in May.
But it's all legal and stuff, so it's ok.
Can Ukraine's Zelenskyy stay in power without an election? - DW (https://www.dw.com/en/can-ukraines-zelenskyy-stay-in-power-without-an-election/a-68789736)



But I guess they'll be more freedom & democracy once they defeat Russia?
https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/freedom-world/2024



By the Way,
Lindsey Graham gives us a few more reasons why we MUST support Ukraine in this war.
US senator says Ukraine is ‘gold mine’ with $12 trillion of minerals ‘we can’t afford to lose’ link (https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/06/13/ukraine-12-trillion-minerals-west-china-russia/)
Ukraine is a “gold mine” with $12 trillion worth of critical minerals, US Senator Lindsey Graham insisted in a TV interview. He said the West “can’t afford to lose”, and called to prevent Russia and China from accessing the natural resources.
“They’re sitting on $10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in Ukraine”, Graham said.
“They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don’t want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China”,
“If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of”, Graham continued. “That $10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China”.

CBS news June 10


But Graham can't be right, war is not about OIL... I mean Minerals... it's about FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY.
and Saddam..i mean... PUTIN is evil.

[Black Diamond]

Wow. Graham really can't keep his mouth shut can he?

[Gunny]

Just a Reminder,
Ukraine did not have any elections.... for freedom.
His term ended in May.
But it's all legal and stuff, so it's ok.
Can Ukraine's Zelenskyy stay in power without an election? - DW (https://www.dw.com/en/can-ukraines-zelenskyy-stay-in-power-without-an-election/a-68789736)



But I guess they'll be more freedom & democracy once they defeat Russia?
https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/freedom-world/2024



By the Way,
Lindsey Graham gives us a few more reasons why we MUST support Ukraine in this war.
US senator says Ukraine is ‘gold mine’ with $12 trillion of minerals ‘we can’t afford to lose’ link (https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/06/13/ukraine-12-trillion-minerals-west-china-russia/)
Ukraine is a “gold mine” with $12 trillion worth of critical minerals, US Senator Lindsey Graham insisted in a TV interview. He said the West “can’t afford to lose”, and called to prevent Russia and China from accessing the natural resources.
“They’re sitting on $10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in Ukraine”, Graham said.
“They could be the richest country in all of Europe. I don’t want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China”,
“If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of”, Graham continued. “That $10 to $12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China”.

CBS news June 10


But Graham can't be right, war is not about OIL... I mean Minerals... it's about FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY.
and Saddam..i mean... PUTIN is evil.

So you and Graham are only concerned with minerals, huh? Each of you wants to use them for different reasons. Both are nothing more than propaganda.

One of the people:rolleyes:

[revelarts]

From July

Ukraine is too CORRUPT to join NATO, US says, in major blow to Zelensky… and boost for Putin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13595327/Ukraine-CORRUPT-join-NATO-says-major-blow-Zelensky-boost-Putin.html


Ukraine is currently too corrupt to join NATO, the US has warned
The defence bloc is making Ukraine take 'additional steps'
Corruption has held Ukraine back from deepened ties with the West for years

Ukraine is too corrupt to join NATO, the US is set to tell leader Volodymyr Zelensky in a major blow to his nation's security ambitions.
The defence bloc will request at its annual summit next week, in Washington DC, that Ukraine takes 'additional steps before formal membership talks progress', a senior US official told the Telegraph.

Zelensky has been pushing for NATO ascension after Russia's brutal invasion ends to protect itself from future invasion, as the pact compels its members to militarily defend allies if they are attacked.
But corruption, among other issues, has been a major thorn in the Ukrainian leader's side, blocking further relations with the West from developing.

In 2022, after Ukraine formally applied for EU ascension, the EU Commission wrote of Ukraine that while 'preventing and combating corruption has been particularly high on the Ukrainian reform agenda since the Revolution of Dignity' in 2014, 'corruption remains a serious challenge.'

Zelensky appears to be tackling the problem head on, particularly in the military. In September, he fired all six of his deputy defence ministers with no explanation weeks after dismissing his top defence minister....


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[Gunny]

Blowing smoke. The obvious reason for not allowing Ukraine to join NATO is it would be a declaration of war by NATO against Russia. Stated at the onset.

The rest of the gibberish is kind of just gibberish when one looks at the stats.


In a 2020 analysis, Transparency International, an anticorruption watchdog, ranked Ukraine 117th out of 180 countries on its corruption index, lower than any NATO nation.

NATO Won’t Let Ukraine Join Soon. Here’s Why. - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/nato-ukraine.html)

Sorry. Putin/Russia is STILL the bad guy:rolleyes: