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stephanie
10-16-2007, 10:42 PM
I have never been more disgusted with the Democrats...


By RALPH PETERS


October 14, 2007 -- In the midst of the First World War, the Young Turks who had taken over the Ottoman Empire committed genocide against their Armenian subjects. At least a million Armenians were murdered - with nauseating cruelty - or died of abuse, heat, hunger and thirst.
The only reason any survived was that the Turks lacked the administrative skills and technologies to kill everyone. Not every captive fit into the burning churches. On the death marches across Anatolia into the Syrian desert, guards ran out of bullets. And even sadists grew weary of bayoneting children and clubbing old men to death.

Women were raped by the tens of thousands. Many were raped repeatedly. Then they were killed. Or enslaved. Or left to die of exposure by the roadside.

Ancient communities were annihilated. A magnificent culture - the remnants of the world's first Christian kingdom - drowned in blood.

Only Turks question this history. The eyewitness accounts are extensive - not only from Armenian survivors, but from American and German consuls and missionaries. The documentation is readily available (texts crowd one of my bookshelves).

Hitler cited the Armenian Genocide as an inspiration for the Holocaust - the lesson he drew was that the Turks got away with it. The world never intervened. Apologists for the Allies blamed the war. The truth is that the eyewitnesses went ignored: Armenian lives had less value then than do those of Darfur refugees today.

Last Wednesday, the Democrat-controlled House Foreign Affairs Committee passed a resolution formally declaring the Armenian tragedy what it was: genocide. Speaker Nancy Pelosi intends to bring the resolution to a vote on the floor, after which it would go to the Senate.

We need to stop it. It's a travesty and a betrayal. Of Armenian-Americans. And of our troops.

Make no mistake: I'm on the Armenian side in the court of history. When the same resolution came up in years past, I supported it. The Armenian survivors - their descendents, at this point - deserve justice.

And I have no sympathy with the Turks. The Turks are jerks. After the United States supported them unswervingly for more than a half-century, they stiffed us the single time we needed help - when we asked to move an Army division through Turkey on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

And the Ankara government has led an internal campaign of anti-Americanism far more lurid and vicious than the old Soviet bloc's anti-Western propaganda. It's not just Turkey's Islamists, but its secular nationalists, too. The anti-American hatred spewing from the Turkish media is uglier than Barbra Streisand at four in the morning.

The Turks tormented their Kurdish minority for decades - and express outrage when Kurds respond. Now they're threatening to invade northern Iraq, while whining that honor-killings, pervasive corruption and anti-Western venom shouldn't deny them membership in the EU.

Despite all that, we've got to kill this resolution. It's not the wording - but the timing.

Legislation similar to this has come up repeatedly in Congress, yet it's always been defeated - in 2000, because of pressure from the Clinton administration. But if the resolution passes the House and Senate now, the Turks plan to evict us from Incirlik airbase in southeastern Turkey, to halt our military over-flight privileges and to shut down the supply routes into northern Iraq.

That's what the Democrats are aiming at. This resolution isn't about justice for the Armenians. Not this time. It's a stunningly devious attempt to impede our war effort in Iraq and force premature troop withdrawals.

The Dems calculate that, without those flights and convoys, we won't be able to keep our troops adequately supplied. Key intelligence and strike missions would disappear.

The Pentagon might be able to improvise other options. But the loss of the base and those routes would definitely hurt our troops. Severely. And we'd be more reliant than ever on a single, vulnerable lifeline running from Kuwait.

It's a brilliant ploy - the Dems get to stab our troops in the back, but lay the blame off on the Turks. They pretend they're responding to their Armenian-American constituents - while actually moving to placate MoveOn.org.

For the Democrats in Congress, it looks like a cost-free strategy. For our troops? When did the Dems give a damn about our troops? This resolution isn't a stand in favor of historical justice. It's an end-run that ducks behind the bench. It's one of the most cynical betrayals in our legislative history - of our troops, of Armenian-Americans, of the Kurds under threat from the Turkish military and of the people of Iraq.
We can't let Pelosi & Co. get away with this one. We need to call the Dems on it and make it clear that we, the people, know what they're trying to do.

Every human being with a drop of Armenian blood deserves justice. This isn't it.

“Ralph Peters' latest book is “Wars of Blood and Faith."
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Kathianne
10-16-2007, 10:46 PM
Peters strikes on the right side, again. Kudos Steph!

actsnoblemartin
10-16-2007, 11:55 PM
Steph your a genius


Peters strikes on the right side, again. Kudos Steph!

Gunny
10-17-2007, 02:00 AM
I have never been more disgusted with the Democrats...


By RALPH PETERS


October 14, 2007 -- In the midst of the First World War, the Young Turks who had taken over the Ottoman Empire committed genocide against their Armenian subjects. At least a million Armenians were murdered - with nauseating cruelty - or died of abuse, heat, hunger and thirst.
The only reason any survived was that the Turks lacked the administrative skills and technologies to kill everyone. Not every captive fit into the burning churches. On the death marches across Anatolia into the Syrian desert, guards ran out of bullets. And even sadists grew weary of bayoneting children and clubbing old men to death.

Women were raped by the tens of thousands. Many were raped repeatedly. Then they were killed. Or enslaved. Or left to die of exposure by the roadside.

Ancient communities were annihilated. A magnificent culture - the remnants of the world's first Christian kingdom - drowned in blood.

Only Turks question this history. The eyewitness accounts are extensive - not only from Armenian survivors, but from American and German consuls and missionaries. The documentation is readily available (texts crowd one of my bookshelves).

Hitler cited the Armenian Genocide as an inspiration for the Holocaust - the lesson he drew was that the Turks got away with it. The world never intervened. Apologists for the Allies blamed the war. The truth is that the eyewitnesses went ignored: Armenian lives had less value then than do those of Darfur refugees today.

Last Wednesday, the Democrat-controlled House Foreign Affairs Committee passed a resolution formally declaring the Armenian tragedy what it was: genocide. Speaker Nancy Pelosi intends to bring the resolution to a vote on the floor, after which it would go to the Senate.

We need to stop it. It's a travesty and a betrayal. Of Armenian-Americans. And of our troops.

Make no mistake: I'm on the Armenian side in the court of history. When the same resolution came up in years past, I supported it. The Armenian survivors - their descendents, at this point - deserve justice.

And I have no sympathy with the Turks. The Turks are jerks. After the United States supported them unswervingly for more than a half-century, they stiffed us the single time we needed help - when we asked to move an Army division through Turkey on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

And the Ankara government has led an internal campaign of anti-Americanism far more lurid and vicious than the old Soviet bloc's anti-Western propaganda. It's not just Turkey's Islamists, but its secular nationalists, too. The anti-American hatred spewing from the Turkish media is uglier than Barbra Streisand at four in the morning.

The Turks tormented their Kurdish minority for decades - and express outrage when Kurds respond. Now they're threatening to invade northern Iraq, while whining that honor-killings, pervasive corruption and anti-Western venom shouldn't deny them membership in the EU.

Despite all that, we've got to kill this resolution. It's not the wording - but the timing.

Legislation similar to this has come up repeatedly in Congress, yet it's always been defeated - in 2000, because of pressure from the Clinton administration. But if the resolution passes the House and Senate now, the Turks plan to evict us from Incirlik airbase in southeastern Turkey, to halt our military over-flight privileges and to shut down the supply routes into northern Iraq.

That's what the Democrats are aiming at. This resolution isn't about justice for the Armenians. Not this time. It's a stunningly devious attempt to impede our war effort in Iraq and force premature troop withdrawals.

The Dems calculate that, without those flights and convoys, we won't be able to keep our troops adequately supplied. Key intelligence and strike missions would disappear.

The Pentagon might be able to improvise other options. But the loss of the base and those routes would definitely hurt our troops. Severely. And we'd be more reliant than ever on a single, vulnerable lifeline running from Kuwait.

It's a brilliant ploy - the Dems get to stab our troops in the back, but lay the blame off on the Turks. They pretend they're responding to their Armenian-American constituents - while actually moving to placate MoveOn.org.

For the Democrats in Congress, it looks like a cost-free strategy. For our troops? When did the Dems give a damn about our troops? This resolution isn't a stand in favor of historical justice. It's an end-run that ducks behind the bench. It's one of the most cynical betrayals in our legislative history - of our troops, of Armenian-Americans, of the Kurds under threat from the Turkish military and of the people of Iraq.
We can't let Pelosi & Co. get away with this one. We need to call the Dems on it and make it clear that we, the people, know what they're trying to do.

Every human being with a drop of Armenian blood deserves justice. This isn't it.

“Ralph Peters' latest book is “Wars of Blood and Faith."
:clap:

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/playing_politics_with_genocide.htm

Pussies.

bullypulpit
10-17-2007, 05:55 AM
Well golly, y'all act like it's a bad thing. When you have a President hellbent on "staying the course" regardless of how much blood and treasure is spilled on the sands of Iraq...When you have an administration hell bent on war with Iran...When you have an administration which will ont listen to reason...It's not unreasonable to take any steps necessary to keep them from another costly blunder in terms of human life.

KarlMarx
10-17-2007, 06:19 AM
Well golly, y'all act like it's a bad thing. When you have a President hellbent on "staying the course" regardless of how much blood and treasure is spilled on the sands of Iraq...When you have an administration hell bent on war with Iran...When you have an administration which will ont listen to reason...It's not unreasonable to take any steps necessary to keep them from another costly blunder in terms of human life.

Well Bully, aside from the facts that Iraq was run by a brutal dictator who had his eye on developing WMDs and that Iran is a dictatorship with an eye on developing nuclear weapons, you're right, we have no business there.

Now, this Armenian genocide incident, that happened in what??? 1915?? The Ottoman Turks committed the atrocities. Why is it so important that our Senate take time from its busy schedule of doing absolutely nothing about the real problems facing our nation to worry about something that happened before 99.9% of the entire earth's population was even born?

While they're at it... they can
1. Condemn Germany for the Holocaust
2. Condem Russia for the Purges
3. Condemn Cambodia for the massacres committed by the Khmer Rouge
4. Condemn China for wiping 40 million people off the face of the map (and still doing it)
5. Condemn Japan for its treatment of prisoners during WW II and the massacre at Shanghai
6. Condemn Cuba, Iran, and North Korea for their continuing efforts to curb excessive population by killing people by the thousands each and every year, day, month, week, what have you

avatar4321
10-17-2007, 09:19 AM
Well golly, y'all act like it's a bad thing. When you have a President hellbent on "staying the course" regardless of how much blood and treasure is spilled on the sands of Iraq...When you have an administration hell bent on war with Iran...When you have an administration which will ont listen to reason...It's not unreasonable to take any steps necessary to keep them from another costly blunder in terms of human life.

How does condemning a nation that didnt exist at the time for genocide that occured 100 years ago keep anyone from another costly blunder in terms of human life?

Quite the oppposite. This disrespect of Turkey is going to cause the loss of human life because its going to convince Turkey to ignore us and go after the Kurds in Iraq. If they do then everything we have worked for in Iraq will be jeopardized, not to mention create the instability Iran wants.

I don't care if you support or are against Iraq. only an idiot would think its a good idea to make things worse.

Gaffer
10-17-2007, 10:31 AM
Well golly, y'all act like it's a bad thing. When you have a President hellbent on "staying the course" regardless of how much blood and treasure is spilled on the sands of Iraq...When you have an administration hell bent on war with Iran...When you have an administration which will ont listen to reason...It's not unreasonable to take any steps necessary to keep them from another costly blunder in terms of human life.

Yep you got it right. ANYTHING to undermine the military and therefore the administration is acceptable to you and the libs in government. Including treasonous acts. Lives mean nothing to you people, just your obsessive desire for power. Your a real piece of work.

Gaffer
10-17-2007, 10:34 AM
I have never been more disgusted with the Democrats...


By RALPH PETERS


October 14, 2007 -- In the midst of the First World War, the Young Turks who had taken over the Ottoman Empire committed genocide against their Armenian subjects. At least a million Armenians were murdered - with nauseating cruelty - or died of abuse, heat, hunger and thirst.
The only reason any survived was that the Turks lacked the administrative skills and technologies to kill everyone. Not every captive fit into the burning churches. On the death marches across Anatolia into the Syrian desert, guards ran out of bullets. And even sadists grew weary of bayoneting children and clubbing old men to death.

Women were raped by the tens of thousands. Many were raped repeatedly. Then they were killed. Or enslaved. Or left to die of exposure by the roadside.

Ancient communities were annihilated. A magnificent culture - the remnants of the world's first Christian kingdom - drowned in blood.

Only Turks question this history. The eyewitness accounts are extensive - not only from Armenian survivors, but from American and German consuls and missionaries. The documentation is readily available (texts crowd one of my bookshelves).

Hitler cited the Armenian Genocide as an inspiration for the Holocaust - the lesson he drew was that the Turks got away with it. The world never intervened. Apologists for the Allies blamed the war. The truth is that the eyewitnesses went ignored: Armenian lives had less value then than do those of Darfur refugees today.

Last Wednesday, the Democrat-controlled House Foreign Affairs Committee passed a resolution formally declaring the Armenian tragedy what it was: genocide. Speaker Nancy Pelosi intends to bring the resolution to a vote on the floor, after which it would go to the Senate.

We need to stop it. It's a travesty and a betrayal. Of Armenian-Americans. And of our troops.

Make no mistake: I'm on the Armenian side in the court of history. When the same resolution came up in years past, I supported it. The Armenian survivors - their descendents, at this point - deserve justice.

And I have no sympathy with the Turks. The Turks are jerks. After the United States supported them unswervingly for more than a half-century, they stiffed us the single time we needed help - when we asked to move an Army division through Turkey on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

And the Ankara government has led an internal campaign of anti-Americanism far more lurid and vicious than the old Soviet bloc's anti-Western propaganda. It's not just Turkey's Islamists, but its secular nationalists, too. The anti-American hatred spewing from the Turkish media is uglier than Barbra Streisand at four in the morning.

The Turks tormented their Kurdish minority for decades - and express outrage when Kurds respond. Now they're threatening to invade northern Iraq, while whining that honor-killings, pervasive corruption and anti-Western venom shouldn't deny them membership in the EU.

Despite all that, we've got to kill this resolution. It's not the wording - but the timing.

Legislation similar to this has come up repeatedly in Congress, yet it's always been defeated - in 2000, because of pressure from the Clinton administration. But if the resolution passes the House and Senate now, the Turks plan to evict us from Incirlik airbase in southeastern Turkey, to halt our military over-flight privileges and to shut down the supply routes into northern Iraq.

That's what the Democrats are aiming at. This resolution isn't about justice for the Armenians. Not this time. It's a stunningly devious attempt to impede our war effort in Iraq and force premature troop withdrawals.

The Dems calculate that, without those flights and convoys, we won't be able to keep our troops adequately supplied. Key intelligence and strike missions would disappear.

The Pentagon might be able to improvise other options. But the loss of the base and those routes would definitely hurt our troops. Severely. And we'd be more reliant than ever on a single, vulnerable lifeline running from Kuwait.

It's a brilliant ploy - the Dems get to stab our troops in the back, but lay the blame off on the Turks. They pretend they're responding to their Armenian-American constituents - while actually moving to placate MoveOn.org.

For the Democrats in Congress, it looks like a cost-free strategy. For our troops? When did the Dems give a damn about our troops? This resolution isn't a stand in favor of historical justice. It's an end-run that ducks behind the bench. It's one of the most cynical betrayals in our legislative history - of our troops, of Armenian-Americans, of the Kurds under threat from the Turkish military and of the people of Iraq.
We can't let Pelosi & Co. get away with this one. We need to call the Dems on it and make it clear that we, the people, know what they're trying to do.

Every human being with a drop of Armenian blood deserves justice. This isn't it.

“Ralph Peters' latest book is “Wars of Blood and Faith."
:clap:

http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/playing_politics_with_genocide.htm

I said basically the same thing in the other thread on this subject. The goddam libs are trying to undermine our military at any cost.

glockmail
10-17-2007, 10:42 AM
Well golly, y'all act like it's a bad thing. When you have a President hellbent on "staying the course" regardless of how much blood and treasure is spilled on the sands of Iraq...When you have an administration hell bent on war with Iran...When you have an administration which will ont listen to reason...It's not unreasonable to take any steps necessary to keep them from another costly blunder in terms of human life. Bullshit. He commissioned General Petraus what, about three years ago. That man was VERY critical of "stay the course" tactics of Rumsfeld.