Wow! CBS Has investigative Reporters?

[Kathianne]

This makes one wonder why they don't use them more often:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/havana-syndrome-culprit-investigation-new-evidence-60-minutes-transcript/

[SassyLady]

The sad thing is that this is old news.

[Kathianne]

The sad thing is that this is old news.

The syndrome, yes. For a couple years though, govt has Been denying of obscufating the facts, as CBS points out.

This is really the MSM for once saying the govt has purposefully lied and covered up a foreign attack on US soil.

First time in many years.

[Gunny]

The syndrome, yes. For a couple years though, govt has Been denying of obscufating the facts, as CBS points out.

This is really the MSM for once saying the govt has purposefully lied and covered up a foreign attack on US soil.

First time in many years.The government doesn't like to pay. They finally in the past year or so decided to pay up for those affected by contaminated drinking water at Camp Lejeune. They begrudgingly cracked open the coin purse in an extremely limited fashion for Gulf War Syndrome.

They don't have a problem with there being a problem per se. Just don't hold them accountable. Your tax dollars are spent on more important things like DEI and trying to strongarm people into EVs the grid it has yet to address (again, costs the government) can't support.

When it comes to Federal government employees, we don't figure out until it's too late they're going to drag their feet hoping you'll die and the problem goes away.

Not sure what is up with CBS pointing fingers and naming names. Wait for the retraction and apology?

[SassyLady]

The syndrome, yes. For a couple years though, govt has Been denying of obscufating the facts, as CBS points out.

This is really the MSM for once saying the govt has purposefully lied and covered up a foreign attack on US soil.

First time in many years.

Many sources other than CBS have already said this. CBS is limping into the race for getting the truth to the public.

Not many people rely on MSM any more.

[Kathianne]

Many sources other than CBS have already said this. CBS is limping into the race for getting the truth to the public.

Not many people rely on MSM any more.

I look forward to the links. They too have all the foia info, that's what is different from the others I've seen. They actually have the documents and facts I've not seen before.

Like Gunny said, gov't hates paying out for it's own mistakes, where this goes a step further from original Cuba embassy type reports to attacks on US streets. The links to Russia are important too, and again something beyond the speculation I've seen previously.

[Gunny]

Many sources other than CBS have already said this. CBS is limping into the race for getting the truth to the public.

Not many people rely on MSM any more.Not a CBS fan. However, first sentence states "5 year investigation". While I am sure not by design given the nature of the beast, not jumping to foregone conclusion from the get-go is rather refreshing.

[Gunny]

I look forward to the links. They too have all the foia info, that's what is different from the others I've seen. They actually have the documents and facts I've not seen before.

Like Gunny said, gov't hates paying out for it's own mistakes, where this goes a step further from original Cuba embassy type reports to attacks on US streets. The links to Russia are important too, and again something beyond the speculation I've seen previously.

The link to Russia is new to me and what caught my eye. Not surprising. Planes crash, people get poisoned ... right out of a Alistaire MacClean Cold War novel:rolleyes:

[Kathianne]

The link to Russia is new to me and what caught my eye. Not surprising. Planes crash, people get poisoned ... right out of a Alistaire MacClean Cold War novel:rolleyes:

Yep, some facts as opposed to mere speculation. There are those though that speculation is a new form of higher thinking. That is just hubris of course.

[SassyLady]

Facts have been suppressed because they aren't put forth by MSM....

[Kathianne]

Many sources other than CBS have already said this. CBS is limping into the race for getting the truth to the public.

Not many people rely on MSM any more.


Facts have been suppressed because they aren't put forth by MSM....

I suppose you can understand the assumption that you seemed to be saying there was nothing new here, just an MSM outlet plagiarism from better sources. In act, whether by better skills or resources, CBS along with others investigated over years and brought up facts that had not been previously known though suspected.

[Kathianne]

A bit more: https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2024/04/04/60-minutes-report-ties-havana-syndrome-to-russian-gru-unit-n3785928

[SassyLady]

I suppose you can understand the assumption that you seemed to be saying there was nothing new here, just an MSM outlet plagiarism from better sources. In act, whether by better skills or resources, CBS along with others investigated over years and brought up facts that had not been previously known though suspected.

What I'm saying is just because CBS finally reported on it doesn't mean it wasn't true when the first "conspiracy theories" came out.

[Kathianne]

What I'm saying is just because CBS finally reported on it doesn't mean it wasn't true when the first "conspiracy theories" came out.

Great, then link up the same facts that CBS has documented, along with the named sources. That's apples and apples.

[Gunny]

What I'm saying is just because CBS finally reported on it doesn't mean it wasn't true when the first "conspiracy theories" came out.Does that work for any accusation? I'll wait for the investigation, thanks. Notable with conspiracy theorists is that an accusation from them is gospel and good enough to convict; yet, no amount of facts, evidence, logic and/or common sense is ever enough to prove them wrong.

What it means is the conspiracy theories, if there were any, coincidentally got one right. Clock's right twice a day.

[Kathianne]

Does that work for any accusation? I'll wait for the investigation, thanks. Notable with conspiracy theorists is that an accusation from them is gospel and good enough to convict; yet, no amount of facts, evidence, logic and/or common sense is ever enough to prove them wrong.

What it means is the conspiracy theories, if there were any, coincidentally got one right. Clock's right twice a day.

We'll never know

[SassyLady]

Great, then link up the same facts that CBS has documented, along with the named sources. That's apples and apples.

The reason you won't find links now is because they were censored Kath. That's why people like to believe it's only true if MSM says it's true. Are you not aware of the massive censorship Google and YouTube have been conducting over last few years?

Even if I found the links you and others here would say ... "not true news source". Not worth the effort.

But if I sat back and waited on your sources to get the truth out I might have gotten the vaccine as well or might not have had ivermectin on hand when I did get covid. Just saying.

[SassyLady]

Does that work for any accusation? I'll wait for the investigation, thanks. Notable with conspiracy theorists is that an accusation from them is gospel and good enough to convict; yet, no amount of facts, evidence, logic and/or common sense is ever enough to prove them wrong.

What it means is the conspiracy theories, if there were any, coincidentally got one right. Clock's right twice a day.

What you call conspiracy theories are just referred to as spoilers these days. Most of us have accepted the fact that there will always be a percentage of the population that don't want to get out of the matrix.

[Kathianne]

The reason you won't find links now is because they were censored Kath. That's why people like to believe it's only true if MSM says it's true. Are you not aware of the massive censorship Google and YouTube have been conducting over last few years?

Even if I found the links you and others here would say ... "not true news source". Not worth the effort.

But if I sat back and waited on your sources to get the truth out I might have gotten the vaccine as well or might not have had ivermectin on hand when I did get covid. Just saying.

Well with that it's beyond obvious that discussion is impossible. All good wishes on your journies.

[Gunny]

The reason you won't find links now is because they were censored Kath. That's why people like to believe it's only true if MSM says it's true. Are you not aware of the massive censorship Google and YouTube have been conducting over last few years?

Even if I found the links you and others here would say ... "not true news source". Not worth the effort.

But if I sat back and waited on your sources to get the truth out I might have gotten the vaccine as well or might not have had ivermectin on hand when I did get covid. Just saying.Hardly.