why did he even join the military!

[actsnoblemartin]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071016/ts_nm/usa_soldier_beliefs_dc

[Kathianne]

Way wrong. He should pay back the cost of college.

[avatar4321]

Way wrong. He should pay back the cost of college.

i agree

[Immanuel]

Nah, I think he should simply be made to return to service once this war is over... oh wait, chances are that none of us, including him, will be alive when this war ends.

Well, he says that he cannot fire his weapon at another human being. Personally, if this is the case, I would not want him on the front lines with me anyway, but I am sure there are duties needed stateside that he could perform. So, bring him stateside and put him to use in some manner or another.

Immie

[Kathianne]

Nah, I think he should simply be made to return to service once this war is over... oh wait, chances are that none of us, including him, will be alive when this war ends.

Well, he says that he cannot fire his weapon at another human being. Personally, if this is the case, I would not want him on the front lines with me anyway, but I am sure there are duties needed stateside that he could perform. So, bring him stateside and put him to use in some manner or another.

Immie

Sorry. Even 6th graders realize that entering West Point means you may have to fire a weapon at another, in the course of carrying out your 'obligation.' Many qualified, never apply because of that. He did. He 'chose' that route.

[Immanuel]

Sorry. Even 6th graders realize that entering West Point means you may have to fire a weapon at another, in the course of carrying out your 'obligation.' Many qualified, never apply because of that. He did. He 'chose' that route.

No need to be sorry. Maybe you didn't catch the sarcastic tone in my writing. It was there honest. ;) Right here... "Nah, I think he should simply be made to return to service once this war is over... oh wait, chances are that none of us, including him, will be alive when this war ends."

I understand what you mean. Also, I don't think he should have gotten away with it. Although, I am serious that if I was on the front line, I would not want him standing besides me. I would want someone that I could trust and in this case, I'm not sure I could trust him.

I will however say that I am not 100% certain that I could pull the trigger either. I've never had to do so and God willing I never will. I was a member of the U.S. Coast Guard Reserves. We trained with 45's and M-16's for drug patrols. I wasn't that good of a shot either, but neither did I ever have to aim at a human being. I honestly fear that if it were necessary, I might hesitate that extra second that would cost me or one of my crewmembers their lives.

I will say, I much preferred Search and Rescue to drug patrols.

He should not get away with this, but then again, if you were on the front line would you want him standing besides you?

Immie

[Kathianne]

No need to be sorry. Maybe you didn't catch the sarcastic tone in my writing. It was there honest. ;) Right here... "Nah, I think he should simply be made to return to service once this war is over... oh wait, chances are that none of us, including him, will be alive when this war ends."

I understand what you mean. Also, I don't think he should have gotten away with it. Although, I am serious that if I was on the front line, I would not want him standing besides me. I would want someone that I could trust and in this case, I'm not sure I could trust him.

I will however say that I am not 100% certain that I could pull the trigger either. I've never had to do so and God willing I never will. I was a member of the U.S. Coast Guard Reserves. We trained with 45's and M-16's for drug patrols. I wasn't that good of a shot either, but neither did I ever have to aim at a human being. I honestly fear that if it were necessary, I might hesitate that extra second that would cost me or one of my crewmembers their lives.

I will say, I much preferred Search and Rescue to drug patrols.

He should not get away with this, but then again, if you were on the front line would you want him standing besides you?

Immie
I'm sorry I was so quick with the reply. I was surprised at what I thought your response, based on what I've read by you. I don't post much anymore, but this got my 'dander' up. ;)

[Immanuel]

I'm sorry I was so quick with the reply. I was surprised at what I thought your response, based on what I've read by you. I don't post much anymore, but this got my 'dander' up. ;)

Haha,

All is forgiven. :)

Immie

[Yurt]

Brown said he had no conflict between his faith and military service until after he graduated from West Point in 2004 and began to study scripture and his belief.

[Kathianne]

Brown said he had no conflict between his faith and military service until after he graduated from West Point in 2004 and began to study scripture and his belief.

yeah. In the precursor to foxhole? Gimme a break.

[Yurt]

yeah. In the precursor to foxhole? Gimme a break.

Just answering as to why he joined. He claims to have found his "faith" after he graduated. Are you saying no one can find their faith?

[Kathianne]

Just answering as to why he joined. He claims to have found his "faith" after he graduated. Are you saying no one can find their faith?

Just saying it's a might convenient the 'faith' he 'found.' Right after graduation from West Point and the accolades that attend that.

[Immanuel]

Just saying it's a might convenient the 'faith' he 'found.' Right after graduation from West Point and the accolades that attend that.

However, now that I think about it, if he graduated in 2004 then he joined pre-9/11. Now, granted he would have thought that there was a possibility that he might have to kill at some time in his life, but, there are a lot of people (and not all of them are liberal) who have a problem with Bush's war.

He may feel that this war is unjust and simply not want to be part of it. It may have nothing to do with wanting and receiving a "free ride".

Immie

[glockmail]

However, now that I think about it, if he graduated in 2004 then he joined pre-9/11. Now, granted he would have thought that there was a possibility that he might have to kill at some time in his life, but, there are a lot of people (and not all of them are liberal) who have a problem with Bush's war.

He may feel that this war is unjust and simply not want to be part of it. It may have nothing to do with wanting and receiving a "free ride".

Immie


If that's true then he's a liar because that's not what the Army ruled on. They ruled on his religious beliefs. Which happen to be wrong, but that's another issue.

[Immanuel]

If that's true then he's a liar because that's not what the Army ruled on. They ruled on his religious beliefs. Which happen to be wrong, but that's another issue.

I wouldn't disagree with your statement.

He would be a liar, but the Army would not let him out if he said, "I don't want to fight because Bush got us into an unjust war."

Immie

[glockmail]

I wouldn't disagree with your statement.

He would be a liar, but the Army would not let him out if he said, "I don't want to fight because Bush got us into an unjust war."

Immie


Exactly.

But my second point is that he's wrong on what Christ has asked him to do. Whether on purpose or by honest misintepretation. Of course this thrilled the ACLU, no doubt.

[Immanuel]

Exactly.

But my second point is that he's wrong on what Christ has asked him to do. Whether on purpose or by honest misintepretation. Of course this thrilled the ACLU, no doubt.

I think I agreed with your entire statement.

I'm sure some could debate the point on what Christ has asked him to do. I don't know that I could do it though.

Immie

[glockmail]

I think I agreed with your entire statement.

I'm sure some could debate the point on what Christ has asked him to do. I don't know that I could do it though.

Immie


Christ gave him the talent to make it into, and graduate from, West Point. He did that for a reason, and I'm sure that wasting the resources of the US of A and tickling the fancy of ACLU lawyers were not it.

The man could have been destined to be a great leader in a pivotal future conflict.

[Immanuel]

Christ gave him the talent to make it into, and graduate from, West Point. He did that for a reason, and I'm sure that wasting the resources of the US of A and tickling the fancy of ACLU lawyers were not it.

The man could have been destined to be a great leader in a pivotal future conflict.

Or now he may be destined to be a great leader of... the anti-war movement? Just food for thought.

Immie

[avatar4321]

Just answering as to why he joined. He claims to have found his "faith" after he graduated. Are you saying no one can find their faith?

To paraphrase Tom Tancredo (i think) "I have more reason to believe these conversions on the road to Damascus, not on the road to Baghdad"

[glockmail]

Or now he may be destined to be a great leader of... the anti-war movement? Just food for thought.

Immie As the anti-war movement often leads to the deaths of millions of innocents it is doubtful that this would be Christ's wishes. Examples of this are the near extinction of the Jews during WW2 due to allied delayed involvement and the deaths of 3 million Vitenamese when the US pulled out of Vietnam.