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Gunny

01-22-2024, 06:57 PM

revelarts

01-22-2024, 07:42 PM

Kathianne

01-23-2024, 06:35 AM

:lmao:

Growing Oct. 7 ‘truther’ groups say Hamas massacre was a false flag (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/growing-oct-7-truther-groups-say-hamas-massacre-was-a-false-flag/ar-BB1h1UjX?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=b8a5619622684f48b12c2b5bc92e6f34&ei=34)
Brilliant, seriously. What an effective 'false flag' when many of the videos are from Hamas terrorists, on Israeli lands-some still in process of raping and killing. Which of course doesn't negate the phone videos of victims left behind after murders, rapes, and kidnappings. Home videos from security of homes that were attacked, with babies beheaded and some thrown in ovens. A false flag op where the leaders of Hamas leave their tunnels before attack false flag attacks, for Quatar.

Gunny

01-23-2024, 12:43 PM

Brilliant, seriously. What an effective 'false flag' when many of the videos are from Hamas terrorists, on Israeli lands-some still in process of raping and killing. Which of course doesn't negate the phone videos of victims left behind after murders, rapes, and kidnappings. Home videos from security of homes that were attacked, with babies beheaded and some thrown in ovens. A false flag op where the leaders of Hamas leave their tunnels before attack false flag attacks, for Quatar.There's that. You hit the nail on the head. Every single thing about this fruitloop theory is WRONG:laugh:

I always start with: In a conspiracy by the Western World that would require a cast of thousands, on what planet are they not lined up to sell/leak the story to the media? We can't even keep a Supreme Court decision secret.

Another obvious that has already been mentioned in another thread: Hamas would have to be complicit. I can hear it now: "Let me make sure I have the plan straight. We launch a terrorist attack against noncombatants and commit all forms of heinous crimes and you retaliate by destroying our terrorist organization and base of operations. Great idea. I'll be in Qatar if you need to get in touch":rolleyes:

Yet the MSM gives it traction.

revelarts

01-24-2024, 08:45 AM

There's that. You hit the nail on the head. Every single thing about this fruitloop theory is WRONG.

What are details of the theory?
Do you know every single thing about the theory?

Since you say every single thing about it is wrong?

Or were you just being hyperbolic?

Look gunny you may be exactly right...
My problem is folks ignorantly dismissing info that doesn't match their world view or might make the group they root for or ID with look bad.

the simple, my side is near perfect and never does wrong... except a few mistakes. and the other side is pure evil is fruitloop thinking IMO.
It doesn't fit reality.
even though it does make some folks feel more secure in the world.

Gunny

01-24-2024, 06:03 PM

What are details of the theory?
Do you know every single thing about the theory?

Since you say every single thing about it is wrong?

Or were you just being hyperbolic?

Look gunny you may be exactly right...
My problem is folks ignorantly dismissing info that doesn't match their world view or might make the group they root for or ID with look bad.

the simple, my side is near perfect and never does wrong... except a few mistakes. and the other side is pure evil is fruitloop thinking IMO.
It doesn't fit reality.
even though it does make some folks feel more secure in the world.

Try reading the article at the link in the OP.

revelarts

06-15-2024, 08:07 AM

just for information purposes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li164lMRR48

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revelarts

06-15-2024, 10:55 AM

Transcript From Video refed Below

TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN IT MATTERS MOST

View Series: Reckoning: Israel and Gaza

EPISODE 1
HOW DID OCTOBER 7TH HAPPEN?

READ THE EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
The gruesome bombardment of the Gaza Strip is continuing into its seventh month and there’s no signs that the carnage is stopping anytime soon.

Just last week, Israel rejected a ceasefire and intensified its bombing attacks on Rafah — conducting almost hourly aerial strikes.

Back on October 7th, armed with AK-47s and motorcycles, Hamas managed to breach the Gaza fence slaughtering and capturing hundreds of Israeli soldiers and civilians in southern Israel — they called it Operation Al Aqsa Flood.

So what did the Israeli government know and when… its a question almost no one in media is asking.. but we are… I’m investigative Journalist Ben Swann and this is Reckoning… Israel and Gaza.

7 months ago on October 7th, Hamas was able to carry out its shocking terror attack against Israel, despite Israel’s intelligence, military and security apparatus commonly considered the best in the world.

Bearing in mind Israel’s incredibly sophisticated and capable defenses and brigades of trained IDF soldiers stationed near the Gaza border, the scale and operational success of the Al Aqsa Flood attack surprised even Hamas.

Hamas representative Ali Barakeh explained to the Washington Post the ease with which Israel’s entire security apparatus disintegrated: “We were expecting to get a smaller number of hostages and return [to Gaza], but the [Israeli] army collapsed in front of us, what were we to do?”

In response to the Al Aqsa Flood attack, the Israeli military’s retaliatory efforts, code named Operation Swords of Iron, has resulted in the deaths of over 100 journalists, 190 United Nations staff, thirty four thousand Palestinians, including 13,000 children, displaced nearly the entire Gaza population of 2 million people and cost the United States almost $50 billion.

So how did October 7th happen? Well the entire mainstream media was quick to call it an “intelligence failure”.

The Guardian told its readers on the afternoon of October 7th that “Hamas’s murderous attack will be remembered as Israeli intelligence failure for the ages.”

While the attack was still technically ongoing, on October 7th, Politico quoted Israel’s former deputy National Security Adviser David Frielich as saying, “It’s a failure in terms of intelligence, operationally. It’s clear we were caught totally unprepared by this.”

And on October 8th, Jonathan Panikoff, former deputy national intelligence officer on the Middle East, who’s now at the Atlantic Council think tank” firmly educated the public: “This was an intelligence failure; it could not be otherwise.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself tweeted and quickly deleted a statement denying any foreknowledge of the October 7th attack.

“Under no circumstances and at no stage was Prime Minister Netanyahu warned of war intentions on the part of Hamas…” the tweet said, before it was promptly deleted.

Why did Netanyahu’s team delete that tweet? Did he in fact have intelligence that there would be an attack by Hamas? Well, the evidence seems to point to… yes.

Foreign security services, Israeli security services and the Israeli public all knew that Hamas was planning a violent, cross-border incursion where they would attempt to over-run and attack the kibbutz communities in southern Israel and take prisoners back to Gaza. And they also knew when. But it happened anyway.

Ten days before the attack, and then again three days before the attack, Egypt intelligence officials passed “repeated warnings” to the highest levels of Israel’s government.

In one of these warnings, Egypts premiere intelligence minister General Abbas Kamel personally called Netanyahu and warned that Hamas was about to do “something unusual, a terrible operation..”

Unnamed Egyptian officials told YNET News that they were shocked by Netanyahu’s “indifference to the news.”

But Israel didn’t have to trust or believe Egypt, because actually, most of the warnings of the October 7th attack came from Israeli civilians and the Israeli military itself.

The civilians and soldiers who brought these emergency warnings to the military were ignored and in some cases, strangely enough, threatened with legal action.

Let’s start in 2022 and work our way up to the days before October 7th.

In 2022, the IDF, through confidential sources, or spies, in Gaza, actually obtained the detailed Hamas Al Aqsa Flood attack plans.

Codenamed “Jericho Wall” by Israel, the excursion plan called for a barrage of rockets to begin the attack and for gunmen to pour into Israel en masse via paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot and take hostages back into Gaza — all of which happened on October 7th.

Hamas followed the blueprint that Israel already had — with shocking precision.

So Israel had the attack blueprints, but were they taken seriously by the IDF? Yes.

The plans were diligently studied. A presentation on the planned attack was given to senior officers in the IDF’S Gaza division.

The presentation concluded with this sentence:

“This invasion constitutes the gravest threat that IDF forces are facing in the defense [of Israel]”

So in response to this, did Israel’s security establishment beef up and enhance their surveillance of Hamas militants on the other side of the border? No, stunningly, they actually did the exact opposite.

They decided to entirely stop monitoring Hamas’s handheld radio traffic. Because they saw it “as a waste of effort” — even though during that same time in 2022, Israelis living in the kibbutz communities near the Gaza border, most of whom have some type of military training due to Israel’s mandatory IDF service laws, were, according to Israeli media, picking up clear evidence that Hamas was “practicing the breaching of the fence and conquering kibbutzim and seizing hostages and destroying everything in their path.”

Then, In April 2023, 6 months before the attack, again according to Israeli media, the IDF “restricted the ability” of Israelis living near the border “to monitor Hamas’ wireless traffic.”

In September 2023, less than a month before the attack, the head of the IDF’s “Devil’s Advocate” intelligence unit, which challenges prevailing narratives within Israel’s military, twice alerted senior decision-makers in both the army and political spheres about Hamas’ plans for a large-scale cross-border military operation.

He reiterated these warnings in person at Intelligence Branch strategic assessment sessions on September 26th and 27th. Just days before the attack.

During this period, just days before Al-Aqsa-Flood, Israeli civilians residing in the kibbutzim near the Gaza border were witnessing with their own eyes and ears constant and enormous Hamas training exercises. The army reportedly turned a blind eye.

One of these Israelis, Ben Shoshan, worked as a tour guide in the south eastern Israeli region surrounding Gaza.

In a radio interview just days before October 7th, she remarked, “[Hamas has] been training for weeks right up against the border, sometimes in massive numbers. I tried to warn the officers, but they told me I didn’t know anything and that I was safe.”

On October 3rd, a journalist for Israeli Public Radio tweeted and made it crystal clear that the bizarre and violent Hamas drills on the Gaza side of the border were evident to all Israelis who live there, let alone the military.

“The Islamic Jihad organization started noisy exercises very close to the border [with] missile launches, [simulating] breaking into Israel and kidnapping soldiers…Dedi Fuld, a resident of Netiv HaTara [said] `It was significantly closer than previous times. The children wake up and ask what’s going on, there are explosions, booms. It is not similar to previous exercises.”

So it was clear to everyone that Hamas wasn’t only planning to do something horrible, but it was also clear *what* that “horrible and evil” thing was.

According to a female IDF soldier who spoke to Israel’s channel 12 news program, she was constantly trying to warn her superiors about the gravity of Hamas training exercises. She was threatened with legal action.

“We were told that if we continue to harass on this issue, you will stand trial.”

So, Egypt knew, the Israeli military knew, and the Israeli civilians knew.

Yet, two days before October 7th, the Israeli military took two entire commando brigades, or around 100 soldiers, away from the the soon-to-be breached locations of the Gaza border and sent them to the other side of the country, to the West Bank village of Huwara despite no Hamas presence being in Huwara and despite there being giant Israeli dance parties taking place right along the same border fence where violent, escalating and obvious Hamas drills of breaching and kidnapping were taking place.

Does that make any sense?

Have you heard about these dance parties? It turns out there’s bizarre and inexplicable narratives surrounding the planning of these now infamous dance parties in Israel along the Gaza border.

What has not been widely reported is the fact that there were actually two, back to back dance parties at Kibbutz Re’Im, which is also the location of the IDF’s Gaza division and only 3 miles from the Gaza border.

The first party, planned months in advance, was a party called the “Unity Festival” which took place on October 5th and 6th.

The Nova Festival, the October 7th party, was actually added last minute, only a few days in advance of the event.

For obvious reasons, any significantly large gatherings near the Gaza border require Israeli military approval.

Again, this is a part of the story that virtually no American media network will talk about. According to Israeli media reports, Lt. Col. Sahar Fogel, an operations officer at the IDF’s Gaza Division, opposed the approval of the Nova Party based on the last minute nature of its event application and the intensifying Hamas drills at the border and because if something were to happen, more soldiers were on holiday. It was the Jewish holiday of Sukkot.

The Lt. Col. explained his opposition to the party’s approval to his superiors. He was instructed to allow the event.

Israeli Newspaper Haaretz reported that other Gaza division officers privately “told of irregular conduct and pressure surrounding the approval of the party.”

In February 2024, Elkana Federman, the head of security for the Nova festival gave an interview to Israel’s Channel 14 where he made a statement that hasn’t been reported on by any American media.

“I had a guard at the festival who had served in the Re’im Division [near Gaza border], and a week before the festival he sent me a voice message … basically warning me, saying, ‘Elkana, something is going to happen over Sukkot. I just wanted to let you know, there are a lot of warnings..I passed the voice message on [to local IDF officials], and they told me everything was all right.”

After the attack, Federman called his friend in the IDF to ask him exactly what he knew.

“You were speaking in code. Tell me exactly what they showed you. He told me ‘Elkana, they told me there was going to be an invasion, and that they were planning to take over settlements. I just wasn’t allowed to tell you that.’ And that’s what happened. If he knew what he knew, a driver on the Gaza border…what did those above him know? Because he’s a small screw in the system.”

The Hamas attacks were violent and brutal. They have been likened to tragic events such as September 11th and the Holocaust, so it comes as a surprise that Benjamin Netanyahu and members of his Likud party have at times described the attacks as somewhat of a political gift.

Nissim Vaturi, a member of Netanyahu’s Likud party in the Knesset, referred to the attack as sort of gift from God because they are being used to justify the current ongoing war, stating:

“We were meant to fight this war against Hamas, as is happening now, and luckily for us it came from the heavens.”

Back in January, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu explained that Israel didn’t have domestic or international support to invade or destroy Gaza. He said the October 7th Hamas attack solved both of those problems for him. Listen to this.

“We couldn’t get the domestic consensus to make…a definitive solution to the problem of Hamas. That is, no one would agree across the Israeli public to go in and basically destroy Hamas—go throughout Gaza and destroy Hamas. We didn’t have the international consensus either; nobody would understand why we are doing it. Both conditions were created because of the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7th.”

All of this information, which has been reported in isolation and without context, until now, in no way excuses the brutal and sadistic October 7th Hamas attack that took the lives of so many innocent people but It does raise an important question, a question that brave people have to consider.

Did the Israeli military, the Israeli intelligence community, and the political leadership of Israel allow this ghastly attack to happen to justify wiping out the population of Gaza? And it raises big questions for us. What type of war is the Biden Administration and U.S. taxpayer supporting? A war of self defense? Or is it genocide justified by an attack that Israel likely could have stopped had they wanted to.

These are heavy questions. But rather than simply dismissing what we are saying, prove us wrong.

If you haven’t already, you can follow us on X @truth_inmedia or you can follow this series by signing up to see each episode as it comes out at truthinmedia.com. At TruthinMedia you will find the transcript of this story along with the source articles.

Check them ouT for yourself and stay tuned as we continue to unveil the truth around Israel’s war on Gaza.

Kathianne

06-15-2024, 11:44 AM

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/oct-7-massacre-was-just-a-rehearsal-says-hamas-leader-in-first-public-address-since-attack-on-israel

Oct. 7 massacre 'was just a rehearsal,' says Hamas leader in first public address since Israel attackYahya Sinwar made his first public statement since the terrorist organization massacred more than a thousand people in Israel

Author of the article:Jewish News Syndicate, National Post Wire Services
Published Nov 30, 2023 • Last updated Nov 30, 2023 • 2 minute read
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Hamas’s Oct. 7 slaughter was “just a rehearsal,” the Islamist group’s leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar threatened on Thursday, in his first public statement since the terrorist organization massacred more than a thousand people in Israel.

“The leaders of the occupation [Israel] should know, Oct. 7 was just a rehearsal,” stated Sinwar, according to the Maariv newspaper.

At least 1,200 people were killed in Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israeli communities near the Gaza border. Another 240 men, women, children and soldiers were taken back to Gaza as hostages.

Senior Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, right, with Emir of Qatar Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, arriving for the corner-stone laying ceremony of a new residential neighbourhood in the Gaza Strip in 2012.

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A woman cries during the funeral of Israeli Col. Roi Levy at the Mount Herzl cemetery in Jerusalem on Monday, Oct. 9, 2023. Col. Roi Levy was killed after Hamas militants stormed from the blockaded Gaza Strip into nearby Israeli towns. (AP Photo/Maya Alleruzzo)
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On Monday, Israeli media reported that Sinwar paid a visit to several of the hostages held in an underground tunnel in the Strip. One of the hostages released over the weekend said the terror mastermind spoke to them in Hebrew without an accent.

As Israel and Hamas agreed to extend their ceasefire-for-hostages agreement on Monday, Egypt reportedly put heavy pressure on Sinwar.

“Twice during the ceasefire the parties got into a crisis when Yahya Sinwar tried to violate the agreements, the first time last Saturday night,” said an Egyptian source with access to official circles in Cairo.

“Egyptian intelligence officers arrived at the Rafah Crossing [to Gaza] and conveyed to Sinwar extremely difficult messages and threats peppered with juicy curses. A short hour later … the Israeli hostages were released,” the source added.

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On Oct. 14, Israel Defense Forces International Spokesperson Lt. Col. Richard Hecht told journalists that Sinwar and his entire command team “are in our sights.”

“Yahya Sinwar is the face of evil. He is the mastermind behind this, like [Osama] bin Laden was. He built his career on murdering Palestinians when he understood they were collaborators. That’s how he became known as the butcher of Khan Yunis [in southern Gaza],” said Hecht.

Sinwar was convicted on multiple murder counts by an Israeli court and sentenced to five life sentences, which he was supposed to serve until his death, but in October 2011 he was released from prison—having served only 22 years—as part of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange.

After his release, Sinwar gained power and popularity within Hamas, becoming its Gaza leader in February 2017 by defeating Ismail Haniyeh in an internal vote.

Black Diamond

06-15-2024, 02:11 PM