Today Is Great For Headlines: Chip Roy A RINO?

[Kathianne]

Only when he endorsed someone other than Trump...

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/12/19/chip-roy-a-rino-really-n600043

This reads like Gunny or myself wrote it:


Chip Roy a RINO? Really?!DAVID STROM 12:41 PM on December 19, 2023

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Chip Roy a RINO? Really?!
Representative Chip Roy is one of the most conservative and least accommodating Members of Congress.


Generally speaking, if there is a controversy among Republicans where some want to give in to Democrats and others want to stick to conservative principles, Roy is on the good guys’ side. You might criticize him for being inflexibly conservative, but until today I never heard a single person call him a RINO.


That’s because the “Republican” in RINO used to mean “principled conservative.” Now, apparently, it means a willingness to lick Donald Trump’s boots.


I keep reminding myself that Trump was a generally good, sometimes excellent president. From 2017 to 2019, he proved to have startlingly good judgment regarding public policies, especially foreign affairs. I defended him at great personal cost (losing friends and alienating family members), even though Trump often got himself into unnecessary PR messes because he can’t STFU.


Unfortunately, Trump’s kryptonite is his ego. He is truly a narcissist, and far, far too many people are willing to feed that massive ego and enable his worst instincts. And one of those instincts is to destroy anybody who doesn’t lick his boots clean after a trip through the pig pen.





Chip Roy has run afoul of Trump by choosing to endorse Ron DeSantis for president, and in return, Trump has attacked Roy as a RINO and asked for a Republican to jump into the Texas primary to take Roy out.


The filing date for the primary, by the way, has passed. It was last week. Trump couldn’t even bother to check that because, well, details. Something as silly as the rules shouldn’t get in the way.




With Trump, loyalty goes only one way, and let’s face it: Trump has proven time and again that he has zero loyalty to Republicans or even to those who have jumped on grenades for him.


His supporters’ case is as simple as it is silly: Trump is the only candidate who can save America. If that were true, then America would be doomed already since the maximum time that Trump could be in office is another four years. Given how quickly Joe Biden turned things around (in the wrong direction), it’s clear that four years is not enough time to right the ship.


Eight years may not be enough, but four years is demonstrably not. Trump proved that, and there is ample reason to believe that the Deep State knows how to run circles around Trump.

Want proof? Two words: Anthony Fauci. There are other examples, but Fauci was able to convince Trump to do the wrong thing time and again, and Trump still won’t admit to all the mistakes he made during COVID.




It is shocking to me that Trump’s supporters are unwilling to acknowledge that the man has flaws and that one of those flaws is that he is desperately afraid of strong Republicans. Trump says more nice things about Stacey Abrams and Gavin Newsom than Glenn Youngkin, Ron DeSantis, and Brian Kemp. Kim Reynolds, Iowa’s governor, is public enemy #2 despite turning her state solidly Red.




There are many reasons to oppose Trump’s renomination, but perhaps the most important one is that once he is gone, he will have destroyed the Republican Party. He will do so despite needing its support and will have done so for personal reasons. Trump wants–even needs–to be the sole person in the spotlight, which explains his crusades to destroy people like Chip Roy.


Look around and ask yourself who will be left to carry on the electoral coalition Trump is trying to build. Will it be Mehmet Oz? Trump has no coattails, and his movement will die when he does.


Reagan, who reshaped the Republican Party for the better and turned it into a durable electoral force, did so by promoting others who could be his allies in reshaping the country. Trump keeps dumping his allies–he seems to hate everybody he ever appointed to the White House staff, and few things are more sure than career death when Trump accepts you as an ally.


I am not now, nor have I ever been a Never Trumper. All I want is to reverse the trend toward decline.


To do that, we need to elect a president loyal to the cause, not himself.


And one who has the courage to look bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci in the eye and tell them ‘No.’







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Trump calls for a primary of Chip Roy because Roy is supporting someone else in the primary and accurately describes Trump’s numerous failures last term. Only problem for Trump, who has never been big on rules, is the primary filing deadline has already passed.

[Gunny]

Only when he endorsed someone other than Trump...

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Trump calls for a primary of Chip Roy because Roy is supporting someone else in the primary and accurately describes Trump’s numerous failures last term. Only problem for Trump, who has never been big on rules, is the primary filing deadline has already passed.


Chip Roy a RINO :laugh:

From one point of view, perhaps it is correct. Not in a good way. Depends on who currently owns the name "Republican". Perhaps the name and party no longer belong to principled conservatives. Trump is a narcistic, neoliberal populist. He's the RINO from traditional POV. Anything conservative about him is coinicidental to his neolib ideology.

Perhaps it's time conservatives come to grips with fact that the Republican party doesn't represent us, and neither does Trump.

I voted for Chip Roy, and minus something unforeseeale, most likely will again. I take little issue with most of his conservative ideology. My biggest issue with him is trying to use obstruction as a negotiating tool instead of negotiating.

[Kathianne]

Chip Roy a RINO :laugh:

From one point of view, perhaps it is correct. Not in a good way. Depends on who currently owns the name "Republican". Perhaps the name and party no longer belong to principled conservatives. Trump is a narcistic, neoliberal populist. He's the RINO from traditional POV. Anything conservative about him is coinicidental to his neolib ideology.

Perhaps it's time conservatives come to grips with fact that the Republican party doesn't represent us, and neither does Trump.

I voted for Chip Roy, and minus something unforeseeale, most likely will again. I take little issue with most of his conservative ideology. My biggest issue with him is trying to use obstruction as a negotiating tool instead of negotiating.

You're saying again what I argued in 2015/16. I'm also with the policies are one thing, principles another.

[Gunny]

You're saying again what I argued in 2015/16. I'm also with the policies are one thing, principles another. Well, "Me too" :laugh: I've never considered Trump a conservative. We differed only in that I still had the mindset that voting against the Dem was paramount. The only person out of the original 16 GOP candidates I rated him over was Christie.

It took Donald Trump post-2020 election behavior to drop cold water on that. For me, that's saying a lot. I held that "beating the Dem is paramount" mindset since at least 92. But like you say: principles.

[Kathianne]

Well, "Me too" :laugh: I've never considered Trump a conservative. We differed only in that I still had the mindset that voting against the Dem was paramount. The only person out of the original 16 GOP candidates I rated him over was Christie.

It took Donald Trump post-2020 election behavior to drop cold water on that. For me, that's saying a lot. I held that "beating the Dem is paramount" mindset since at least 92. But like you say: principles.

My route was circuitous, first 'never,' then the policies happened and folks whose opinions counted with me, many here, hit. Then the Dems and their beyond awful behaviors. So I held my nose and pulled the lever, so to speak, for my Faustian moment in time. His behavior and his minions from election day, made 1/6 near inevitable. Still shocking and totally wrong. Only the Dems could find a way to get those that condemned it, defend about due process and the corruption of DOJ.

[Gunny]

My route was circuitous, first 'never,' then the policies happened and folks whose opinions counted with me, many here, hit. Then the Dems and their beyond awful behaviors. So I held my nose and pulled the lever, so to speak, for my Faustian moment in time. His behavior and his minions from election day, made 1/6 near inevitable. Still shocking and totally wrong. Only the Dems could find a way to get those that condemned it, defend about due process and the corruption of DOJ.

Can't help but wonder the obvious: Wonder how things would have played out had he won in 2020 and the veneer remained relatively intact? He at least was (more than) one up on Biden on most policy issues.

[Kathianne]

Can't help but wonder the obvious: Wonder how things would have played out had he won in 2020 and the veneer remained relatively intact? He at least was (more than) one up on Biden on most policy issues.

Obviously I think/thought very differently, but he lost. He really lost. Now all we have is the fallout and it's not good, by a longshot.

The following makes some very good points, but is way too easy on Trump and the assumption of what good he could IF elected, considering this isn't a 'second term' but more of a revenge term. Trump 'take one for the team?' What team? He destroyed whatever that was back when...

https://pjmedia.com/paula-bolyard/2023/12/20/steve-deace-has-a-dire-warning-for-republicans-n4924899

[Gunny]

Obviously I think/thought very differently, but he lost. He really lost. Now all we have is the fallout and it's not good, by a longshot.

The following makes some very good points, but is way too easy on Trump and the assumption of what good he could IF elected, considering this isn't a 'second term' but more of a revenge term. Trump 'take one for the team?' What team? He destroyed whatever that was back when...

https://pjmedia.com/paula-bolyard/2023/12/20/steve-deace-has-a-dire-warning-for-republicans-n4924899I was kind of ducking current Trump with my pondering :)

He has done nothing but bury himself with me. Admittedly, I hold myself to a higher standard than I do others. I also hold leadership to a higher standard than I do others, as leadership has always held me to a higher standard than subordinates. Pecking order, if you will. He has failed in every aspect of leadership since losing the election.

He was and still is the victim of persecution by the left and its cronies. That in no way excuses his personal and professional behavior since he lost the election. I can make an argument either way as to whether or not he actually lost, but the fact remains he came out officially with the short straw. The Dems may have ramped up politicizing the justice system, but he's done little more than throw kerosene on the fire. His legal antics very much are leftist. Stall, stall, and stall again. I can't help but think he somehow believes if he can stall past the election and win, it will all just go away. As if the left is going to allow that.

Say he wins and all is wiped out (which will include any semblance of a justice system if that happens). As you say, revenge tour. I don't see anywhere in that scenario where the right comes out with anything more than a short term victory in the WH. Long-term, it all but guarantees a Dem to follow and that Dem looks like that assclown from CA. He's their current up and coming rock star, loser from Hell that he is.

I can't see Trump getting past the fake electors. The NY thing is BS. The classified docs thing should be washed or they need to put a Hell of a lot more people on trial than just Trump. While from a personal and professional perspective I hold him partially responsible for at least a complete lack of leadership for Jan 6th, that's looking he said/she said unless they decide they can prove "what he meant".

What bothers me the most is the complete lack of interest or concern from the GOP . They're just letting this guy commandeer the party and their shot at the WH. Nobody wants to address: what if Trump is convicted prior to? Then they're going to jump through their asses and throw a last-minute candidate's ass into the fire?

Just wondering ...:)

[Kathianne]

I was kind of ducking current Trump with my pondering :)

He has done nothing but bury himself with me. Admittedly, I hold myself to a higher standard than I do others. I also hold leadership to a higher standard than I do others, as leadership has always held me to a higher standard than subordinates. Pecking order, if you will. He has failed in every aspect of leadership since losing the election.

He was and still is the victim of persecution by the left and its cronies. That in no way excuses his personal and professional behavior since he lost the election. I can make an argument either way as to whether or not he actually lost, but the fact remains he came out officially with the short straw. The Dems may have ramped up politicizing the justice system, but he's done little more than throw kerosene on the fire. His legal antics very much are leftist. Stall, stall, and stall again. I can't help but think he somehow believes if he can stall past the election and win, it will all just go away. As if the left is going to allow that.

Say he wins and all is wiped out (which will include any semblance of a justice system if that happens). As you say, revenge tour. I don't see anywhere in that scenario where the right comes out with anything more than a short term victory in the WH. Long-term, it all but guarantees a Dem to follow and that Dem looks like that assclown from CA. He's their current up and coming rock star, loser from Hell that he is.

I can't see Trump getting past the fake electors. The NY thing is BS. The classified docs thing should be washed or they need to put a Hell of a lot more people on trial than just Trump. While from a personal and professional perspective I hold him partially responsible for at least a complete lack of leadership for Jan 6th, that's looking he said/she said unless they decide they can prove "what he meant".

What bothers me the most is the complete lack of interest or concern from the GOP . They're just letting this guy commandeer the party and their shot at the WH. Nobody wants to address: what if Trump is convicted prior to? Then they're going to jump through their asses and throw a last-minute candidate's ass into the fire?

Just wondering ...:)


The left wants the end of the Enlightenment and all involved. Really, including writings of the time, before, and since. They are pining for the new Dark Ages. Trump supporters say they want 'to shake things up, it's way past time...' Neither seem to understand what it is they are wishing for.

[fj1200]

Chip Roy a RINO :laugh:

From one point of view, perhaps it is correct. Not in a good way. Depends on who currently owns the name "Republican". Perhaps the name and party no longer belong to principled conservatives. Trump is a narcistic, neoliberal populist. He's the RINO from traditional POV. Anything conservative about him is coinicidental to his neolib ideology.

Perhaps it's time conservatives come to grips with fact that the Republican party doesn't represent us, and neither does Trump.

I voted for Chip Roy, and minus something unforeseeale, most likely will again. I take little issue with most of his conservative ideology. My biggest issue with him is trying to use obstruction as a negotiating tool instead of negotiating.

:clap:


You're saying again what I argued in 2015/16. I'm also with the policies are one thing, principles another.

:clap:

Any more from me in this thread would just be piling on.