Trump kicked off Colorado ballot in 14th Amendment case

[Gunny]

The fallout from this ought to be entertaining. If you like trainwrecks:rolleyes:

Trump kicked off Colorado ballot in 14th Amendment case | The Hill (https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4368569-trump-kicked-off-colorado-ballot-in-14th-amendment-case/)

[Kathianne]

Karl Rove, not a Trump fan, sums it up well. Truth is, the persecution of Trump, which is real, only energizes his supporters. Indeed, even some that don't support him are getting fed up with the underlying denial of free voting:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-vs-the-banana-republic-of-colorado-ballot-fourteenth-amendment-unlawful-ea982be8?st=hclw21pb4ucyzsf&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


Trump vs. the Banana Republic of ColoradoThe effort to remove him from the ballot is legally baseless and helps his campaign.
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Karl Rove
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Dec. 20, 2023 5:37 pm ET


You don’t need to be a Donald Trump fan to think the Colorado Supreme Court’s 4-3 decision to remove the former president from the state’s Republican primary ballot is a mistake that will strengthen him.


The Colorado decision was based on the 14th Amendment’s Section 3, proposed by Congress in 1866 and ratified by the states in 1868. It reads: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”


Mr. Trump is already using this attempt by the left to keep him off the ballot to raise money and whip up supporters. Admittedly, he would be a long shot in Colorado next fall, having lost the state by 13.5 points last time. But efforts are under way to kick him off the ballot in at least 15 other states and were attempted in 16 others.


Lawsuits to throw him off the ballot are on appeal in Arizona and Michigan and pending in 13 other states (Alaska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming).


Four states already dismissed challenges to Mr. Trump appearing on the ballot—Florida, Minnesota, New Hampshire and Rhode Island. Recognizing the weak hand they were playing, plaintiffs withdrew lawsuits in 12 others—California, Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Utah.


The chances that the Supreme Court upholds the Colorado decision are slim. There are many legal problems with using the 14th Amendment in this way. For one, while Section 3 mentions “Senator or Representative,” it doesn’t mention “President.” Then there’s the little issue that Mr. Trump hasn’t been convicted of having “engaged in insurrection or rebellion.”


Section 3 was thought so onerous that a Republican Congress largely eviscerated it with the General Amnesty Act of 1872. President Ulysses Grant then directed U.S. attorneys to drop most prosecutions. The result was that in 1874 Democrats flipped the House for the first time in 16 years by electing 51 former Confederate soldiers or government officials. This included the Confederacy’s former vice president, Alexander Stephens of Georgia.


Consider this irony: In John F. Kennedy’s Pulitzer Prize-winning “Profiles in Courage,” one of the eight senators he chose as exemplars of political bravery was Lucius Q.C. Lamar of Mississippi, who in 1878 rejected a demand of his state Legislature that he vote for the Bland-Allison Silver Act. He survived having opposed the will of Mississippians by barnstorming the state to explain why he opposed an inflationary currency, winning re-election to the Senate “by an overwhelming majority” as “voters responded to the sincerity and courage which he had shown” in opposing the Legislature’s demand. Mr. Lamar went on to serve as interior secretary and a Supreme Court justice, appointed to both by President Grover Cleveland.


Yet as a congressman before the Civil War, Mr. Lamar proclaimed on the House floor that while “others may boast of their . . . love of this Union,” he felt “the promotion of Southern Interests is second in importance only to the preservation of Southern honor.” He drafted the Mississippi ordinance of secession, served in the Confederate military, was named the South’s ambassador to Russia, and served as a key aide to President Jefferson Davis. Historian Henry Adams called him one of “the worst of the Southern fire-eaters.”


For the 19th century’s final three decades and into the 20th century until age finally removed them, both chambers of Congress were well-populated with former Confederates like Mr. Lamar who had shown their contempt for the Union on the battlefield and in Southern councils of government. The 14th Amendment didn’t keep them from office.


You can consider Mr. Trump’s behavior on Jan. 6 abhorrent, his continuing claims of massive fraud and a stolen election delusional, and his attempt to muddy the waters with fake electors reprehensible, but is our democracy well served by emulating banana republics by keeping candidates off the ballot?

[Kathianne]

Some do get it, that both the 'right' and 'left' are hoping for the end of 'the system':

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/12/21/dem-presidential-contender-to-scotus-put-trump-back-on-co-ballot-immediately-n600512

[jimnyc]

Look, IMO Trump has done and will continue to do more than enough to stain his image.

But the constant different shit coming up is kinda obvious IMO and any and all tactics are at the ready to stop any type of '24 chances he may have.

We said that years ago the constant back and forth between parties, the tit for tat after presidencies, are harming the country. With the way things have gone it's only going to dramatically increase and get worse IMO.

So 2 states now correct? He hasn't been convicted of anything relating to the 6th, so they are eliminating him based on little thus far. I heard that Maine (?) was rewording or worded their elimination, to potential elimination, should he get convicted.

Sorry if this was already discussed elsewhere, been missing and took me awhile to find the address back here. :) :)

[Gunny]

Look, IMO Trump has done and will continue to do more than enough to stain his image.

But the constant different shit coming up is kinda obvious IMO and any and all tactics are at the ready to stop any type of '24 chances he may have.

We said that years ago the constant back and forth between parties, the tit for tat after presidencies, are harming the country. With the way things have gone it's only going to dramatically increase and get worse IMO.

So 2 states now correct? He hasn't been convicted of anything relating to the 6th, so they are eliminating him based on little thus far. I heard that Maine (?) was rewording or worded their elimination, to potential elimination, should he get convicted.

Sorry if this was already discussed elsewhere, been missing and took me awhile to find the address back here. :) :)

My point exactly is their use of the Fourteenth without a conviction. The two states are waiting appeals to the Supreme Court who can make what determination without a conviction? IMO, a decision allowing him to run with open door wording should he be convicted is about all they can do.

[Kathianne]

My point exactly is their use of the Fourteenth without a conviction. The two states are waiting appeals to the Supreme Court who can make what determination without a conviction? IMO, a decision allowing him to run with open door wording should he be convicted is about all they can do.

Worse than no conviction, he's not even been charged.