We Hear Next To Nothing About The Hostages That Hamas Has

[Kathianne]

I agree. I don't get how these 'peaceniks' have so much empathy for rapists and murderers, but so little for those taken and tortured.

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/11/16/why-does-almost-nobody-demand-the-hostages-be-released-n592668


Why Does Almost Nobody Demand the Hostages Be Released?
DAVID STROM 8:01 AM on November 16, 2023

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[revelarts]

HAMAS SHOULD RELEASE THE HOSTAGES!!!
IMMEADIATLY!

AND Israel should have a Cease Fire.
IMMEADIALTY!

[Kathianne]

HAMAS SHOULD RELEASE THE HOSTAGES!!!
IMMEADIATLY!

AND Israel should have a Cease Fire.
IMMEADIALTY!
Yes to first. No to second.

Hamas is near destroyed, finish it.

[revelarts]

Yes to first. No to second.

Hamas is near destroyed, finish it.
"Kill them all and let God sort them out.
Is that what God wants us to do?"

The nation of Israel no less?

[Black Diamond]

Yes to first. No to second.

Hamas is near destroyed, finish it.

Yeah I don't want western leftists getting in Israel's way. Or the UN either.

[fj1200]

"Kill them all and let God sort them out.
Is that what God wants us to do?"

The nation of Israel no less?

In what way is an existing Hamas good for anyone?

[revelarts]

In what way is an existing Hamas good for anyone?

In what way is killing hundreds or thousands of woman and children to get to all of Hamas good?
Does the ends justify the means?

[fj1200]

In what way is killing hundreds or thousands of woman and children to get to all of Hamas good?
Does the ends justify the means?

Should Hamas exist? Can Israel defend itself?

[revelarts]

Should Hamas exist? Can Israel defend itself?
No.
Yes.


Should Nazis exist?
No.
Has Israel or the U.S. hunted down and killed every Nazi? Every known Nazi group? Shooting through anyone in the way?
(supplied them arms in Ukraine somehow)

Should the KKK exist?
No.
Has Israel or the U.S. hunted down and killed every KKK member in the U.S.?
Shooting through anyone man woman & child around them?
Or in their sphere's of influence?

They teach hate and racism.
Their stated missions are to exile and destroy "non-aryans" from America and the world.
During this century they've killed, maimed & terrorized millions and continue to do so.
Shouldn't they be wiped off the earth... not allowed to exist?
For the self-defense of non-aryans ....and the few innocent whites who might be left... after their "leaders" are wiped out?

[fj1200]

No.
Yes.


Should Nazis exist?
No.
Has Israel or the U.S. hunted down and killed every Nazi? Every known Nazi group? Shooting through anyone in the way?
(supplied them arms in Ukraine somehow)

Should the KKK exist?
No.
Has Israel or the U.S. hunted down and killed every KKK member in the U.S.?
Shooting through anyone man woman & child around them?
Or in their sphere's of influence?

They teach hate and racism.
Their stated missions are to exile and destroy "non-aryans" from America and the world.
During this century they've killed, maimed & terrorized millions and continue to do so.
Shouldn't they be wiped off the earth... not allowed to exist?
For the self-defense of non-aryans ....and the few innocent whites who might be left... after their "leaders" are wiped out?

When was the last time the Nazis invaded France or tried to impose a Final Solution?

When was the last time the KKK went on a lynching spree?

How would you propose that Israel prosecute the current war so that Hamas becomes a similar footnote in history that they're reviled by the populace from which it comes?

"War isn't the answer" is ignorant when you don't know what the question is.

[revelarts]

When was the last time the Nazis invaded France or tried to impose a Final Solution?

When was the last time the KKK went on a lynching spree?

How would you propose that Israel prosecute the current war so that Hamas becomes a similar footnote in history that they're reviled by the populace from which it comes?

"War isn't the answer" is ignorant when you don't know what the question is.


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Court documents list multiple Instagram messages Pietila sent in June that detailed plans to commit acts of violence and referenced the Jewish community. He also demonstrated sympathy with neo-Nazi ideology and glorified past mass shooters, including the 2019 gunman that killed 51 people at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, Totten said.
“I won’t be taken alive I’ll make sure of that. Remember ‘Heil Hitler!’ boom red mist,” one message said.


JACKSON, Miss. — Since 2000, there have been at least eight suspected lynchings of Black men and teenagers in Mississippi, according to court records and police reports.
“The last recorded lynching in the United States was in 1981,” said Jill Collen Jefferson, a lawyer and founder of Julian, a civil rights organization named after the late civil rights leader Julian Bond. “But the thing is, lynchings never stopped in the United States. Lynchings in Mississippi never stopped. The evil bastards just stopped taking photographs and passing them around like baseball cards.”
In 2017, Jefferson began compiling records of Black people found hanging or mutilated across the country. In 2019, Jefferson began focusing her investigation on Mississippi. In each case she investigated, law enforcement officials ruled the deaths suicides, but the families said the victims had been lynched.

[Kathianne]

Man with neo-Nazi symbols kills 8 in second Serbia mass shooting
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Barry Grey - 16 May 2022
...The gunman, Payton S. Gendron, 18, laid out in detail his plan to randomly target African Americans for instant death—and the neo-Nazi political agenda that motivated it—in a 180-page manifesto that was posted online in the hours before the attack....

Neo-Nazi US Marine plotted to attack Jews with Rapekrieg group, prosecutors say
Matthew Belanger, from New York, procured weapons and other gear, discussed attacking synagogue and other targets with other white supremacists
By PHILISSA CRAMER - 27 July 2022, 11:26 pm

Alleged German neo-Nazi on trial for targeting Jewish immigrants in 2000 bombing
Ralf S. accused of attempted murder with ‘racist’ motive 18 years after attack in Dusseldorf injured 10; probe reopened after he ‘bragged’ about masterminding attack
By RICHARD HEISTER and DEBORAH COLE - 25 January 2018, 10:35 am

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Michigan man pleads guilty to sending messages about mass shooting plot targeting Jews - nov 2023
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Court documents list multiple Instagram messages Pietila sent in June that detailed plans to commit acts of violence and referenced the Jewish community. He also demonstrated sympathy with neo-Nazi ideology and glorified past mass shooters, including the 2019 gunman that killed 51 people at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, Totten said.
“I won’t be taken alive I’ll make sure of that. Remember ‘Heil Hitler!’ boom red mist,” one message said.


JACKSON, Miss. — Since 2000, there have been at least eight suspected lynchings of Black men and teenagers in Mississippi, according to court records and police reports.
“The last recorded lynching in the United States was in 1981,” said Jill Collen Jefferson, a lawyer and founder of Julian, a civil rights organization named after the late civil rights leader Julian Bond. “But the thing is, lynchings never stopped in the United States. Lynchings in Mississippi never stopped. The evil bastards just stopped taking photographs and passing them around like baseball cards.”
In 2017, Jefferson began compiling records of Black people found hanging or mutilated across the country. In 2019, Jefferson began focusing her investigation on Mississippi. In each case she investigated, law enforcement officials ruled the deaths suicides, but the families said the victims had been lynched.

You're comparing 'lone wolf' murderers, compared to a war seeking terror group, the analogy does not hold. Hamas has huge financial resources, along with weapons, and military training via Iran. They are a war proxy, not a loose group of individuals. They've employed engineers and others to create the whole tunnel system. They used hundreds of military to paradrop into Israel and rape and murder thousands at a concert. They used hunting techniques to torture survivors. They raped and paraded women taking some hostage, beheading others.

They had plans of individual homes and the names of occupants that they broke in, murdered, threw children into ovens, raped mothers in front of children, killed mothers and father in front of their children and vice versa.

These are not lone wolves. They are an organized terror military with long range plans of Iran. They make plain their plans are to eradicate Israel and all Jews.

Israel did not announce a 'preventative war,' rather and reactive war-having been given no choice in the attack.

You cannot make peace with terrorists, they need a complete surrender or be annihilated.

[fj1200]

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Jacob Crosse - 27 August 2023

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Barry Grey - 16 May 2022
...The gunman, Payton S. Gendron, 18, laid out in detail his plan to randomly target African Americans for instant death—and the neo-Nazi political agenda that motivated it—in a 180-page manifesto that was posted online in the hours before the attack....

Neo-Nazi US Marine plotted to attack Jews with Rapekrieg group, prosecutors say
Matthew Belanger, from New York, procured weapons and other gear, discussed attacking synagogue and other targets with other white supremacists
By PHILISSA CRAMER - 27 July 2022, 11:26 pm

Alleged German neo-Nazi on trial for targeting Jewish immigrants in 2000 bombing
Ralf S. accused of attempted murder with ‘racist’ motive 18 years after attack in Dusseldorf injured 10; probe reopened after he ‘bragged’ about masterminding attack
By RICHARD HEISTER and DEBORAH COLE - 25 January 2018, 10:35 am

Neo-Nazi Serial Killer Executed — Murdered Jewish Man at Synagogue After Bar Mitzvah

Michigan man pleads guilty to sending messages about mass shooting plot targeting Jews - nov 2023
FBI found guns, Nazi flag, military manual at house
Court documents list multiple Instagram messages Pietila sent in June that detailed plans to commit acts of violence and referenced the Jewish community. He also demonstrated sympathy with neo-Nazi ideology and glorified past mass shooters, including the 2019 gunman that killed 51 people at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, Totten said.
“I won’t be taken alive I’ll make sure of that. Remember ‘Heil Hitler!’ boom red mist,” one message said.


JACKSON, Miss. — Since 2000, there have been at least eight suspected lynchings of Black men and teenagers in Mississippi, according to court records and police reports.
“The last recorded lynching in the United States was in 1981,” said Jill Collen Jefferson, a lawyer and founder of Julian, a civil rights organization named after the late civil rights leader Julian Bond. “But the thing is, lynchings never stopped in the United States. Lynchings in Mississippi never stopped. The evil bastards just stopped taking photographs and passing them around like baseball cards.”
In 2017, Jefferson began compiling records of Black people found hanging or mutilated across the country. In 2019, Jefferson began focusing her investigation on Mississippi. In each case she investigated, law enforcement officials ruled the deaths suicides, but the families said the victims had been lynched.

So the answers to my questions were; 1940, 1945, and 1981 or otherwise (Depending on your definition of lynching and KKK involvement and the organized nature thereof). I didn't see much of a "just following orders" pattern in your examples. Israel?

[Gunny]

You're comparing 'lone wolf' murderers, compared to a war seeking terror group, the analogy does not hold. Hamas has huge financial resources, along with weapons, and military training via Iran. They are a war proxy, not a loose group of individuals. They've employed engineers and others to create the whole tunnel system. They used hundreds of military to paradrop into Israel and rape and murder thousands at a concert. They used hunting techniques to torture survivors. They raped and paraded women taking some hostage, beheading others.

They had plans of individual homes and the names of occupants that they broke in, murdered, threw children into ovens, raped mothers in front of children, killed mothers and father in front of their children and vice versa.

These are not lone wolves. They are an organized terror military with long range plans of Iran. They make plain their plans are to eradicate Israel and all Jews.

Israel did not announce a 'preventative war,' rather and reactive war-having been given no choice in the attack.

You cannot make peace with terrorists, they need a complete surrender or be annihilated.

I have certainly done a reappraisal of the people occupying this country and hiding their weak stupidity behind a Constitution that was never designed for yet allows it. Not sure this current, unacceptable, backwards-assed thinking is what the FF's and revolutionaries who put their asses on the line had in mind.

Good guys are bad for reacting to cowards and the murderous vermin cowards are just misunderstood.

I agree with finish the damned job. For once. The last time we did finish the job it worked. Everything since has returned to bite us in the ass. Same with Israel. They had Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO shoved all the way into Beirut. Should have kept them there. Instead, we see the result of extending an olive branch to vipers.

[SassyLady]

HAMAS SHOULD RELEASE THE HOSTAGES!!!
IMMEADIATLY!

AND Israel should have a Cease Fire.
IMMEADIALTY!

Hamas release the hostages.
Evacuate the Palestinian civilians.
Eradicate Hamas and their entire infrastructure.

[revelarts]

You're comparing 'lone wolf' murderers, compared to a war seeking terror group,
the Neo-NAZIs aren't organized? KKK isn't an organization?
singular attacks over the past 5, 10, 50, 60, 90, 100+ years with the same motives?
seems like singular terror groups to me
And it's called terrorism.


..Hamas has huge financial resources, along with weapons, and military training via Iran.
VIA Israel who help create them and USE them Kath.
Use them to create the kind of disgust that many here are manifesting.
Willing to kill thousands after Israel suffered hundreds.
And believe they are justified.


But you know what's interesting about your list of grievances against Hamas is, that Native Americans and African Americans of from the beginning of this nation to like 1940+ had the same list against the U.S.A..
...well funded, terrorist, with an organized military, long range plans, employed engineers and others to create the whole systems, to steel their lands hold them as slaves/servants or rape murder them at will. Stole their homes, murdered, threw children into ovens, to alligators and other beast, tortured them, raped mothers in front of children and husbands, killed mothers and father in front of their children and vice versa. And more.
Like 400 years of it.

Maybe the Native Americans and African Americans should have taken the same view of self defense as Israel and her fervent supporters.
no concern for woman and children... never a cease fire... never peace until the offenders were wiped out of existence from the land.

[RoccoR]

RE: We Hear Next To Nothing About The Hostages That Hamas Has (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?79092-We-Hear-Next-To-Nothing-About-The-Hostages-That-Hamas-Has&p=1021340#post1021340)
SUBTOPIC: Improper comparisons: Native Americans and African Americans
※→ revelarts, et al,

The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) uses the UN General Assembly Resolutions to "use all means."

HAMAS POLICY IS = "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine,"

We very ofter see our opponents (anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian, Hostile Arab Palestinians) insert a false equivalency (Native Americans and African Americans 'vs' Arab Palestinians).


◈ First understand that - there a damn few nations of the world that are ruled today by the same regimes of a millennium ago.

◈ Second: Slavery (and forced indentured servitude) was still an accepted practice when the Ottoman Empire began its rule over the various Vilayets it established (over the regions under discussion). Hell! It was not until the latter part of the 19th that Muslim Rulers in the Middle East began to dispense with the practice.


Maybe the Native Americans and African Americans should have taken the same view of self defense as Israel and her fervent supporters no concern for woman and children... never a cease fire... never peace until the offenders were wiped out of existence from the land.

(COMMENT)

Native Americans were not slaves to the manifesting foreign populations moving west. However, the Oriental immigrants were exploited as well as some Polynesians. AND A large percentage of the Atlantic trade in Black Chattel was originally sold to the white slave traders by the black tribal leaders. Prominent among the were the Kings of the Kingdom of Dahomey (Kpengla • Tegbessou). Yes, a large front-end of the Slave Trade that serviced the Americas was established by Black Tribes Leaders.

(OBSERVATION)

I often observe that, in general, the opponents anti-Israeli organizations, pro-Palestinian movements, and the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) hold up pictures of the concrete T-Walls that form the security barrier in their allegation of "apartheid." Well, that is not evidence of "apartheid." And each time I attempt to engage the members of the various pro-Palestinian movements, and the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) in a discussion of the evidence they have to answers the Internationally established Element of the Crime, they either slink away ••• or ••• bury the issue in a mountain of accusations - present ridiculous claims like: "The River to the Sea."

http://www.debatepolicy.com/blob:http://www.debatepolicy.com/fbc2d637-3445-4f18-a223-748c2d021c32
Most Respectfully,
R

[revelarts]

RE: We Hear Next To Nothing About The Hostages That Hamas Has (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?79092-We-Hear-Next-To-Nothing-About-The-Hostages-That-Hamas-Has&p=1021340#post1021340)
SUBTOPIC: Improper comparisons: Native Americans and African Americans
※→ revelarts, et al,
The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) uses the UN General Assembly Resolutions to "use all means."
HAMAS POLICY IS = "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine,"
We very ofter see our opponents (anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian, Hostile Arab Palestinians) insert a false equivalency (Native Americans and African Americans 'vs' Arab Palestinians).

◈ First understand that - there a damn few nations of the world that are ruled today by the same regimes of a millennium ago.
◈ Second: Slavery (and forced indentured servitude) was still an accepted practice when the Ottoman Empire began its rule over the various Vilayets it established (over the regions under discussion). Hell! It was not until the latter part of the 19th that Muslim Rulers in the Middle East began to dispense with the practice.
(COMMENT)
Native Americans were not slaves to the manifesting foreign populations moving west. However, the Oriental immigrants were exploited as well as some Polynesians. AND A large percentage of the Atlantic trade in Black Chattel was originally sold to the white slave traders by the black tribal leaders. Prominent among the were the Kings of the Kingdom of Dahomey (Kpengla • Tegbessou). Yes, a large front-end of the Slave Trade that serviced the Americas was established by Black Tribes Leaders.
(OBSERVATION)
I often observe that, in general, the opponents anti-Israeli organizations, pro-Palestinian movements, and the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) hold up pictures of the concrete T-Walls that form the security barrier in their allegation of "apartheid." Well, that is not evidence of "apartheid." And each time I attempt to engage the members of the various pro-Palestinian movements, and the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) in a discussion of the evidence they have to answers the Internationally established Element of the Crime, they either slink away ••• or ••• bury the issue in a mountain of accusations - present ridiculous claims like: "The River to the Sea."

http://www.debatepolicy.com/blob:http://www.debatepolicy.com/fbc2d637-3445-4f18-a223-748c2d021c32
Most Respectfully,
R

RE: Above Post

Comment:
Are you a real Human Being? and not an AI?
The style of reply is oddly formal, to say the least.
I'm curious why.

Reply: Re African American and Native American exploitation, abuse, theft of lands, near genocide, torture, rape, medical experimentation, slavery, general oppression from the 1600s forward is sadly legendary.
And yes sadly Asians and Polynesians also fell under some of the same exploitation & abuses. So did some Irish and Italians for a generation or so to a lesser degree. (I didn't mention them before in a conscious attempt at some brevity)

And No one denies Africans sold Africans to Europeans. But of course you know that doesn't absolve or excuse the abuses, rapes, murders, and generations of oppression that happened in the Americas after they were sold.
Just as the fact that Israel Helped Create Hamas years ago doesn't absolve or lessen horror of the crimes of those Palestinians who perpetrated the terrorist acts this October.
BTW, The African slave traders are even less at fault than the Israeli gov't, since the Africans were just in it for money.
While the Israeli gov't was creating an extremist criminal org on purpose for political reasons.

Concerning Palestine: I wish I had a solution. I do not. But I'm pretty sure that piling up innocent bodies like cord wood is not bringing any good will to either side.
Concerning the walls: the way the people are treated and controlled by the Israeli govt, I have just one question:
If you were "Palestinian" would you want to live there?


BTW Concerning:

[I]"We very ofter see our opponents (anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian, Hostile Arab Palestinians) insert a false equivalency (Native Americans and African Americans 'vs' Arab Palestinians)."

1st Please don't lump me with any group. I don't fit the easy pigeon holes people like to make, to make it easy to dismiss others and their POVs.
2nd you missed the point my analogy completely. The comparison is not Native & African Americans to Palestinians.
My comparison is to Native & African Americans to ISRAEL.
That the list of grievances ISRAEL has against Hamas is the similar to the list of grievances Native & African Americans had against the USA for 3+ centuries.

And it's not an equivalency, the list of horrors done by the USA are worst than Hamas and of much longer duration.
My point was that if Israel has a right to NON-STOP indiscriminate violence to men, woman and children until the threat to them is ELIMINATED from the land,
then so did the Native & African Americans.

[RoccoR]

RE: We Hear Next To Nothing About The Hostages That Hamas Has (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?79092-We-Hear-Next-To-Nothing-About-The-Hostages-That-Hamas-Has&p=1021340#post1021340)
SUBTOPIC: Response to Criticism
※→ revelarts, et al,


RE: Above Post

Comment:
Are you a real Human Being? and not an AI?
The style of reply is oddly formal, to say the least.
I'm curious why.

(COMMENT)

Yes, I am a real person. You can contact me at:

Dr and Mrs Rocco Rosano
7511 Broadwyn Drive
Reynoldsburg, OH 43068
(614) 868-9797
roccorosano@yahoo.com

I breakdown each contribution members make into the distinct issues it addresses, as I understood it.



And No one denies Africans sold Africans to Europeans. But of course you know that doesn't absolve or excuse the abuses, rapes, murders, and generations of oppression that happened in the Americas after they were sold.

(COMMENT)

The importantance of this exchange its that cultures/subcultures, communities, organizations and social networks (to name a few constructs) evolve over time. It is difficult to extract isolated chunks of history to bring it forward only to make snide remarks, standing both America and Israel sat the same time.



Just as the fact that Israel Helped Create Hamas years ago.

(COMMENT)

Yes, yes yes. Many anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian, Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) make this claim as an ad hominem against the Israelis. But the small contribution made by the Israelis would not account for its terroristic development as Jihadist organization it has become today. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) was a splinter group that pealed-off the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (Yassar Arafat's old alma mater). Many international contributors can find that they inadvertently supported an embryonic organization that grew into the monster it is now. Many parents are often ashamed to find (much later in life) their offspring have become very ugly and frightening entities → as HAMAS has become in contemporary times. But then, like HAMAS, nothing much positive grew out of the First Intifada (1987/88) 35+ years ago. None of the political players, including the Russians, expected HAMAS to become the international disaster it has become today.



Concerning Palestine: I wish I had a solution. I do not.


(COMMENT)

This is a point on which we both agree. I do not know of any magic bullet that can bring HAMAS (and the associated Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters) in good faith to the to the negotiating table with Israel. The HoAP have more facets than a dodecahedron. The combined people calling themselves "Palestinians" simply do not speak with one voice. Although, HAMAS would like to insert itself as the new sole legitimate representative.



But I'm pretty sure that piling up innocent bodies like cord wood is not bringing any good will to either side.


(COMMENT)

Again, we agree. But then the HAMAS strategy has been to make a violent political splash and then break-off the engagement before Israel can annihilate them. HAMAS has been inflating the Low Intensity Conflict strategy for more than 20 years. The bubble was going to break sooner or later. Rarely do these confrontations just fade away.




Concerning the walls: the way the people are treated and controlled by the Israeli govt, I have just one question:
If you were "Palestinian" would you want to live there?


(COMMENT)

ANSWER: NO

The incrementally increased security countermeasures the Israelis have employed are a direct result of the dangerous and very deadly actions by the HoAP over time. There were4 many reasons the Israelis put in place the Concrete T-Walls (the HoAP often depict in their propaganda photos). The biggest single trigger (but by no means the only trigger) was the suicide bombers. And while I would not have thought that the T-Walls would work, the number of bombing incidents dropped dramatic since its erection. I cannot argue with the positive security results.

The adverse treatment mentioned is the outcome of the HoAPs incitement of the constant and continuous Violation prosecuted under Article 68 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. There is not question, even the HoAP admit that, over the last two decade, HoAPs have committed an increased number of offenses which have been "solely intended to harm the Occupying Power." Arrests increase, crime prevention checkpoints, security control patrols and other crime prevention protocols have increased appropriately. The bed the Arab Palestinians now find themselves is of their own making.

Most Respectfully,
R

[fj1200]

the Neo-NAZIs aren't organized? KKK isn't an organization?

Please point out the current US federal, state, or local governmental authorities currently being governed by neo-nazis or the KKK. Bonus points for those taking genocidal actions.