Top meteorologist: Al Gore's Nobel Prize global warming theories "ridiculous"

[Little-Acorn]

More and more scientists are pointing out what most of us already knew: Mankind is not the cause of global warming, and humans can't do anything to change it. Hysterics like Al Gore are merely pandering to those who want to exert increasing government involvement and control, and are using "global warming" as an excuse to forward their agenda.

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/gore-gets-a-cold-shoulder/2007/10/13/1191696238792.html

Gore gets a cold shoulder

by Steve Lytte
October 14, 2007

ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works".

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/13/algore_narrowweb__300x310,0.jpg

Dr William Gray, a pioneer in the science of seasonal hurricane forecasts, told a packed lecture hall at the University of North Carolina that humans were not responsible for the warming of the earth.

His comments came on the same day that the Nobel committee honoured Mr Gore for his work in support of the link between humans and global warming.

"We're brainwashing our children," said Dr Gray, 78, a long-time professor at Colorado State University. "They're going to the Gore movie (An Inconvenient Truth) and being fed all this. It's ridiculous."

At his first appearance since the award was announced in Oslo, Mr Gore said: "We have to quickly find a way to change the world's consciousness about exactly what we're facing."

Mr Gore shared the Nobel prize with the United Nations climate panel for their work in helping to galvanise international action against global warming.

But Dr Gray, whose annual forecasts of the number of tropical storms and hurricanes are widely publicised, said a natural cycle of ocean water temperatures - related to the amount of salt in ocean water - was responsible for the global warming that he acknowledges has taken place.

However, he said, that same cycle meant a period of cooling would begin soon and last for several years.

"We'll look back on all of this in 10 or 15 years and realise how foolish it was," Dr Gray said.

During his speech to a crowd of about 300 that included meteorology students and a host of professional meteorologists, Dr Gray also said those who had linked global warming to the increased number of hurricanes in recent years were in error.

He cited statistics showing there were 101 hurricanes from 1900 to 1949, in a period of cooler global temperatures, compared to 83 from 1957 to 2006 when the earth warmed.

"The human impact on the atmosphere is simply too small to have a major effect on global temperatures," Dr Gray said.

He said his beliefs had made him an outsider in popular science.

"It bothers me that my fellow scientists are not speaking out against something they know is wrong," he said. "But they also know that they'd never get any grants if they spoke out. I don't care about grants."

[Dilloduck]

Following that money trail will get you there everytime--pity.

[avatar4321]

Everyone knows all the communists went green. Global warming is just their way of pushing socialism on people.

[Yurt]

Everyone knows all the communists went green. Global warming is just their way of pushing socialism on people.

Exactly. Their ideas to "fix" this problem are only to make all of us a socialist government. Now, if they had a valid idea that helped out the entire country, I might listen. But, their ideas are slanted towards complete socialism.

[SpidermanTUba]

"More and more scientists are pointing out what most of us already knew: "

Other than William Gray, I bet you can't name one single scientist who isn't an oil company shill and hasn't received money from an oil company who has claimed anthropogenic warming false.

[glockmail]

"More and more scientists are pointing out what most of us already knew: "

Other than William Gray, I bet you can't name one single scientist who isn't an oil company shill and hasn't received money from an oil company who has claimed anthropogenic warming false.
I've never received money from an oil company. :poke:

[SpidermanTUba]

I've never received money from an oil company. :poke:
What's your name and where did you get your credentials?

[glockmail]

What's your name and where did you get your credentials? You can call me glockmail, and I got my bs in civil engineering from a well respected University and attended grad school for environmental engineering at a second well-respected university. I also have many years experience actually working in my degree field. My resume blows the trunk lid off of Al Gore's with respect to this subject.:laugh2:

[SpidermanTUba]

You can call me glockmail, and I got my bs in civil engineering from a well respected University and attended grad school for environmental engineering at a second well-respected university. I also have many years experience actually working in my degree field. My resume blows the trunk lid off of Al Gore's with respect to this subject.:laugh2:


'attended' ?
What do you get for that?

Civil Engineering? I don't see how that's relevant.

I don't think anyone is claiming Al Gore is a scientist. On the other hand, I claimed that Gray was one of a tiny minority of scientists, and asked for names of other scientists that aren't oil company shills that agreed with him. You aren't an oil company shill, but neither are you a scientist. You're an engineer, without a degree in anything relevant to the global climate.

Thanks, try again.

[glockmail]

'attended' ?
What do you get for that?

Civil Engineering? I don't see how that's relevant.

I don't think anyone is claiming Al Gore is a scientist. On the other hand, I claimed that Gray was one of a tiny minority of scientists, and asked for names of other scientists that aren't oil company shills that agreed with him. You aren't an oil company shill, but neither are you a scientist. You're an engineer, without a degree in anything relevant to the global climate.

Thanks, try again. Obviously you aren't educated enough to know what is relevant.

[82Marine89]

ONE of the world's foremost meteorologists has called the theory that helped Al Gore share the Nobel Peace Prize "ridiculous" and the product of "people who don't understand how the atmosphere works".



How long before this guy flies into the side of a mountain?

[glockmail]

Listed here (on the left) are the approximately 19,000 signers of this petition. Qualification to be a signatory requires that the individual have a university degree in physical science, either BS, MS, or PhD....
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

19,000 are a tiny minority? Physical scientists aren't scientists? :lol:

Actually scientists are split nearly 50-50 on the cause of global warming, man vs. nature. I'm on the nature camp.

But I would hedge my bet and encourage exploitation of natural gas deposits off the east coast as well as a massive increased use of nuclear power to reduce the "carbon footprint" of the US.

Tuba doesn't even know why use of natural gas would reduce the carbon footprint. :pee:

[avatar4321]

'attended' ?
What do you get for that?

Civil Engineering? I don't see how that's relevant.

I don't think anyone is claiming Al Gore is a scientist. On the other hand, I claimed that Gray was one of a tiny minority of scientists, and asked for names of other scientists that aren't oil company shills that agreed with him. You aren't an oil company shill, but neither are you a scientist. You're an engineer, without a degree in anything relevant to the global climate.

Thanks, try again.

Thats just it. Al Gore isnt a scientist. No one claims he is. But he is the self proclaimed expert on global warming and the environment? Bullcrap. Why the heck should we listen to him? Why the heck should we listen to celebrities or politicians when they are talking about the environment when so called experts arent speaking out and those that are are saying the exact opposite?

Why do you guys want to silence debate on this so much? Is it really to much trouble defending global warming that you have to marginalize and try to silence anyone who opposes it?

[PostmodernProphet]

Other than William Gray, I bet you can't name one single scientist who isn't an oil company shill and hasn't received money from an oil company who has claimed anthropogenic warming false.

there were quite a few named on the thread you started asking for peer reviewed articles....you might check back there.....

[SpidermanTUba]

Obviously you aren't educated enough to know what is relevant.
Yeah right, I'm just too stupid to see how building bridges and global climate change are basically the same thing.

[SpidermanTUba]

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

19,000 are a tiny minority? Physical scientists aren't scientists? :lol:

Actually scientists are split nearly 50-50 on the cause of global warming, man vs. nature. I'm on the nature camp.




Having a BS or even a Masters in a physical science does not qualify you as a climate expert. That's laughable.
Furthermore, they are pretty loose with what a 'physical science' is, one only has to look to the FIRST name in the list, Earl Aagaard, a BIOLOGIST.

[glockmail]

Having a BS or even a Masters in a physical science does not qualify you as a climate expert. That's laughable.

So Tuba why would explotation of natural gas deposits actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions?

And by the way, I've never built a bridge.

[SpidermanTUba]

So Tuba why would explotation of natural gas deposits actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions?

And by the way, I've never built a bridge.



I dunno. Why, is your plan to burn enough natural gas to stop global warming?


BTW< I have yet to find an actual climate scientist in that list.

[glockmail]

Feel free to use google or whatever to find an answer.:coffee:

[Said1]

Having a BS or even a Masters in a physical science does not qualify you as a climate expert. That's laughable.
Furthermore, they are pretty loose with what a 'physical science' is, one only has to look to the FIRST name in the list, Earl Aagaard, a BIOLOGIST.

Don't be so quick to dismiss. AAgaard's P.h.D is in fish and wild life biology. This covers a lot of ground with respect to natural ecosystems and the environment - anything from aqua-culture to conservation biology. Google his resume. On the other hand, as I've said before, I have never had a professor willing to take a definitive stand on global warming. Not one.

[glockmail]

Don't be so quick to dismiss. AAgaard's P.h.D is in fish and wild life biology. This covers a lot of ground with respect to natural ecosystems and the environment - anything from aqua-culture to conservation biology. Google his resume. On the other hand, as I've said before, I have never had a professor willing to take a definitive stand on global warming. Not one.


Tuba knows more about climate change than AAgaard and glockmail combined. He's about to prove it to us with his speedy and brilliant answer to my natural gas question. Aren't ya Tube? :poke:

[glockmail]

..... I have never had a professor willing to take a definitive stand on global warming. Not one.

It seems the people willing to take a definitive answer are usually the least edumacated on the subject. But not Tuba.

What did you say your phD was in, Tube?

[Said1]

Tuba knows more about climate change than AAgaard and glockmail combined. He's about to prove it to us with his speedy and brilliant answer to my natural gas question. Aren't ya Tube? :poke:

I'm doing a quick search through that list of names who's work I've actually studied and like - they're not on it from some reason.

[SpidermanTUba]

Tuba knows more about climate change than AAgaard and glockmail combined. He's about to prove it to us with his speedy and brilliant answer to my natural gas question. Aren't ya Tube? :poke:

I don't have to know anything about climate change to know that a biologist and a civil engineer wouldn't make a climate scientist if even you combined them together.

[SpidermanTUba]

It seems the people willing to take a definitive answer are usually the least edumacated on the subject. But not Tuba.

What did you say your phD was in, Tube?


I don't have one. Neither do you.

[Said1]

I don't have to know anything about climate change to know that a biologist and a civil engineer wouldn't make a climate scientist if even you combined them together.

And what would a climate scientists study, exactly. Now don't give me some smart answer like "the climate". What would they study as it relates to the environment? Environmental Science, Environmental Ecology? One of the most respected environmentalist in Canada is a "Biologist" by degree but most of his research is related to conservation biology. That is, his studies are on the subject of the environment and how it effects plants and animals. Even environmental engineers have studied certain elements of environmental sciences. EVEN I had to take environmental science classes in crap like perma-frost, ecology and hydrology in order to get a degree in human geography. But I'm certainly no expert. :laugh2:

[SpidermanTUba]

And what would a climate scientists study, exactly. Now don't give me some smart answer like "the climate". What would they study as it relates to the environment? Environmental Science, Environmental Ecology? One of the most respected environmentalist in Canada is a "Biologist" by degree but most of his research is related to conservation biology. That is, his studies are on the subject of the environment and how it effects plants and animals. Even environmental engineers have studied certain elements of environmental sciences. EVEN I had to take environmental science classes in crap like perma-frost, ecology and hydrology in order to get a degree in human geography. But I'm certainly no expert. :laugh2:


Most of what makes up the study of global warming itself is the study of fluid dynamics and radiation. The study of its effects would encompass many more fields.



Incidentally, here's the first 10 names from glocks list:

Earl Aagaard, PhD - Fish and Wildlife Biology
Roger L Aamodt, PhD - does cancer research
M Robert Aaron - no Phd
Ralph F Abate - no Phd
Hamed Abbas, PhD Research Plant Pathologist
Reza Abbaschian, PhD - Materials Science and Engineering
Paul Abbett - no Phd
Wyatt E Abbitt III - no Phd
David M Abbott Jr - no Phd
Ursula K Abbott - no Phd


What stunning credentials these folks have as climate scientists. I think the most qualified of the bunch is Abbaschian

[Said1]

Most of what makes up the study of global warming itself is the study of fluid dynamics and radiation. The study of its effects would encompass many more fields.

You're exactly right, but having a Phd in biology doesn't rule out the study of the above subjects.



Incidentally, here's the first 10 names from glocks list:

Earl Aagaard, PhD - Fish and Wildlife Biology
Roger L Aamodt, PhD - does cancer research
M Robert Aaron - no Phd
Ralph F Abate - no Phd
Hamed Abbas, PhD Research Plant Pathologist
Reza Abbaschian, PhD - Materials Science and Engineering
Paul Abbett - no Phd
Wyatt E Abbitt III - no Phd
David M Abbott Jr - no Phd
Ursula K Abbott - no Phd


What stunning credentials these folks have as climate scientists. I think the most qualified of the bunch is Abbaschian

As I've said, don't be so quick to dismiss. Neither of us know their areas of research nor have I seen their resumes. My job has nothing to do with human geography, but it makes me no less qualified or less able to understand the materials and research that comes across my desk.

[glockmail]

Most of what makes up the study of global warming itself is the study of fluid dynamics and radiation. The study of its effects would encompass many more fields.



Incidentally, here's the first 10 names from glocks list:

Earl Aagaard, PhD - Fish and Wildlife Biology
Roger L Aamodt, PhD - does cancer research
M Robert Aaron - no Phd
Ralph F Abate - no Phd
Hamed Abbas, PhD Research Plant Pathologist
Reza Abbaschian, PhD - Materials Science and Engineering
Paul Abbett - no Phd
Wyatt E Abbitt III - no Phd
David M Abbott Jr - no Phd
Ursula K Abbott - no Phd


What stunning credentials these folks have as climate scientists. I think the most qualified of the bunch is Abbaschian

Fluid dynamics is a series of courses in the civil engineering curriculum. Mechanicals take courses on radiation and heat transfer.

So now we have to have phD's to be taken seriously? I'd better run and tell my clients who pay me a six-fig.

[glockmail]

Still waiting for an answer to post 17: So Tuba why would explotation of natural gas deposits actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions?

[glockmail]

Typical purpose statement for a civil and environmental engineering program:


MIT’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering is dedicated to balancing the built environment with the natural world. In our research we seek to understand natural systems, to foster the intelligent use of resources, and to design sustainable infrastructure systems.

We strive to be the leading civil and environmental engineering department in the world and to lay the future path for this combined discipline. We believe that human infrastructure and the natural environment must be viewed synergistically and that this department can provide leadership in the field by focusing on technological innovations, advances in basic knowledge, and a systems perspective.

We concentrate our research efforts on quantitative and analytical approaches; novel, experimentally based modeling; and the development and use of tools such as sensors, information technology, and advanced computing applied to problems in the natural and built environments. We work in partnership with corporations, governments, and other departments at MIT to insure that our work has the breadth and expertise necessary to tackle problems with economic, social, political, scientific and engineering dimensions. http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?id=1874&isa=Category&op=show

[Nukeman]

Typical purpose statement for a civil and environmental engineering program:

http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?id=1874&isa=Category&op=showYour wasting your breath Glock. Tuba is a "physics" major so he automaticly knows everything in the known universe about everything.... Just ask him. He only comes on here to throw out a statement or two with no facts, yet when you give him facts to refute his postion he says the people writing the paper are stupid or employed by "Big Oil". He is such a one trick pony its not even funny..

[glockmail]

Your wasting your breath Glock. Tuba is a "physics" major so he automaticly knows everything in the known universe about everything.... Just ask him. He only comes on here to throw out a statement or two with no facts, yet when you give him facts to refute his postion he says the people writing the paper are stupid or employed by "Big Oil". He is such a one trick pony its not even funny.. Well if he's such a smart cookie he should have no problem answering my question on post 17: So Tuba why would explotation of natural gas deposits actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions?

I patiently await his valuable insight. :coffee:

[Nukeman]

Well if he's such a smart cookie he should have no problem answering my question on post 17: So Tuba why would explotation of natural gas deposits actually reduce greenhouse gas emissions?

I patiently await his valuable insight. :coffee:


Heres one sight that popped up right away (since Tuba isn't going to answer you). I'm sure Tuba won't think anything of it but I know exactly where your going with this train of thought!!

I love the realtionship between CO2 and CH4(methane). I'm sure all the scientist that are looking at past/present surface tempratures are all working for big oil companies.


http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V5/N19/EDIT.jsp

[glockmail]

Heres one sight that popped up right away (since Tuba isn't going to answer you). I'm sure Tuba won't think anything of it but I know exactly where your going with this train of thought!!

I love the realtionship between CO2 and CH4(methane). I'm sure all the scientist that are looking at past/present surface tempratures are all working for big oil companies.


http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V5/N19/EDIT.jsp


That article tangentially applies to the phenomenon that I am referring to.

But we can both be certain that Tuba knows this already.

Right Tube?

Hello?

[glockmail]

Hello Tuba. Post 17. Answer it.

[Yurt]

Hello Tuba. Post 17. Answer it.

typical lib liar loser that he is, we shall never see the answer.

[mrg666]

Everyone knows all the communists went green. Global warming is just their way of pushing socialism on people.

why do you all deny global warming ?
ok scare mongers make it seem worse however the earth IS dying
slowly
any historical event can be debated / dicussed , for years to come but this one does need some recognition arent you worried about your kids or grand kids and the legacy we may leave them isnt it better to lean on the catious side
?
its not all politics or brain washing

[mrg666]

Fluid dynamics is a series of courses in the civil engineering curriculum. Mechanicals take courses on radiation and heat transfer.

So now we have to have phD's to be taken seriously? I'd better run and tell my clients who pay me a six-fig.

so global warming is an exact science or its something we are learning as time goes by ok we know certain things but its a curve that will end when ?
no historical events can touch it ever degrees or phd's are only dispatched to exacts ie we know , proven sciences or studies
so where to now >? in an enviroment with no exact rules that can change at any time
ie climate etc

if you were arguing maths or any established criteria you could get a winner
not here

only losers

[glockmail]

As I've said many times before, I don't believe that global warming is caused by man but I'm willing to err on the side of caution and be a staunch supporter of nuclear power and exploitation of domestic natural gas reserves.

[Nukeman]

so global warming is an exact science or its something we are learning as time goes by ok we know certain things but its a curve that will end when ?
no historical events can touch it ever degrees or phd's are only dispatched to exacts ie we know , proven sciences or studies
so where to now >? in an enviroment with no exact rules that can change at any time
ie climate etc

if you were arguing maths or any established criteria you could get a winner
not here

only losersI think your misunderstanding most of our thoughts on this issue. I dont think anyone has said "global warming" is not happening what is being argued is if we are the cause of it or is this a normal variance in a larger climate cycle.

The doom and gloom crowd like to say we are the cause of everything and that there is no way it could by a normal occurance. I personnaly feel we may have a slight impact but nowhere near the amount that the likes of Al Gore like to say.

In your post you make reference to the fact that it is not an exact science but the person we are arguing with "Spidermantuba" like to think that unless you have a degree in climatology you have no business discussing global warming, however nothing could be further from the truth because "global warming" is affected by all aspects of our planet and not just the climate. In fact climate is a byproduct of the warming not a cause of it..

He refuses to even discuss or even to consider that his postion may be misplaced or even falt out wrong. I will listen to most sides of an argument unless you are fanaticle and refuse to listen to any other point of view

Tuba is borderline militant in his opinion, he is never wrong just ask him he will prove it by not answering any legitimate questions..

[Nukeman]

As I've said many times before, I don't believe that global warming is caused by man but I'm willing to err on the side of caution and be a staunch supporter of nuclear power and exploitation of domestic natural gas reserves.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!:cheers2:

[glockmail]

Hello SpidermanTuba? Post 17? :poke:

[glockmail]

Wow its been a month since Tuba has posted, and his last was when I beat his ass into submission on this thread. Poor fella, I sorta feel sorry for him.


NOT.

:lol: