Oh no, not again! Flooding

[jimnyc]

So with a french well and an outdoor system with professional industrial pumps, which lead to the sewer system for drainage.... Well, inundated. Then we have a sump pump in our basement and one in the garage. Another 2 sumps purchased and one extra placed in flooded yard and the other just along the garage entrance and driveway - and we're still getting hammered. Our whole area is having issues but especially our dreaded home.

It rained 5 inches overnight and 7 more expected today. Rain won't stop until 1ish tomorrow afternoon.

I took these less than an hour after it finally started getting into our home. All them pumps and simply couldn't keep up. 5 yards surrounding our backyard all drain into our yard. So basically 5-7 backyards of rain coming here. City couldn't care less. I want to put like 20,000lbs of dirt in my yard to prevent any water from reaching ours. That would get their attention! :laugh:

We bought a brand new furnace (AC/heat) earlier this year, and it's submerged right now. We also replaced our hot water heater and had them raise it off the ground. Well, water reached anyway and the pilot light and guts of the unit are flooded. :(

Our Backyard:

https://i.imgur.com/3l6IJNYl.jpg

Front of house and driveway to garage:

https://i.imgur.com/rpGBTUZl.jpg

Backyard prior to inundation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crhqZ2FAPaE

Front garage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjy1RTE2On4

Basement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj1V5IUz3fg

And now, no more rushing in water like that, but only because it has no risen above that mark, by a lot:

My poor workbench, and everything I could quickly get off the ground, and some into our sinks down there...

https://i.imgur.com/ETQWAiRl.jpg

And video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmbv-c3oSbA

[fj1200]

We bought a brand new furnace (AC/heat) earlier this year, and it's submerged right now. We also replaced our hot water heater and had them raise it off the ground. Well, water reached anyway and the pilot light and guts of the unit are flooded. :(

Wow, that's just horrible. Any chance that they can hang a new furnace from the bottom of the 1st floor joists? Same thing with a water heater? Do you have tankless water heater? They're pretty small and can hang them about anywhere.

[jimnyc]

Wow, that's just horrible. Any chance that they can hang a new furnace from the bottom of the 1st floor joists? Same thing with a water heater? Do you have tankless water heater? They're pretty small and can hang them about anywhere.

They said they couldn't hang the furnace, perhaps because of the current makeup surrounding it? Plus it's pretty damn big. Wifey and I had trouble finding anything that would work for us, and the size needed. I wasn't fully involved in that one so need to ask her why it is the way it is. We also spent a damn fortune over the years building that outdoor well system, and all the labor... they had to open the backyard a large amount with a tractor to install some massive system under their which when the water seeps into it - it then transfers to the huge hole where the pumps are at. It was supposed to fix the issue..... but no way to stop the rain, and no way to force all these neighbors from draining into our yard. And right now, just way too much rain water and water is saturated and overflows. Then when it did flood in past few years, it never made it into the home at least. But luck hit here in the NY region and the amount of water is just too much.

It is a tankless hot water heater from what I recall. Does that mean we'll be ok once she dries out and relight things? Same issues there where we couldn't find a sizeable heater that hung from the ceiling, and apparently the way the gas gets to it is piping at the 12 inch level or so.

That's all I know for sure. I'm better with damn computer questions than I am with fixing home problems! Gotta see if my wife recalls details better. My brain still works wonderfully well, just has a limited amount of memory apparently.:thumb:

[jimnyc]

Ok, spoke to her. NOT a tankless system and couldn't find a sizeable tankless for ceiling. And the furnace cannot be on joists in our basement, not unless you have 6 feet of clearance underneath, and nothing remotely large enough to support our home will leave that kind of space. :dunno:

[fj1200]

It is a tankless hot water heater from what I recall. Does that mean we'll be ok once she dries out and relight things? Same issues there where we couldn't find a sizeable heater that hung from the ceiling, and apparently the way the gas gets to it is piping at the 12 inch level or so.

I'd say it's the electronics that might not be OK after drying out. You would think if these are insurance claims that they would have an interest in avoid future claims but as you say, tough telling without knowing all the details. Good luck man.

[jimnyc]

I'd say it's the electronics that might not be OK after drying out. You would think if these are insurance claims that they would have an interest in avoid future claims but as you say, tough telling without knowing all the details. Good luck man.

Lookup flood insurance in NY, and we're in a flood area, so we only get covered IF a product fails... if sump pump breaks and it floods for example. Otherwise they deny any and all claims.

Now, IF your vehicle gets totaled while sitting in your garage it will be covered by auto insurance. Happened and I know too well. Now my truck is far away at top of our driveway and wife's car parked in the street.

[NightTrain]

Would a couple of feet of topsoil to raise your borders do the trick? This isn't the first time you guys have been swamped.

Or how about some sort of watertight fencing? You're already fenced in, would 24" of barrier prevent this?

[jimnyc]

Would a couple of feet of topsoil to raise your borders do the trick? This isn't the first time you guys have been swamped.

Or how about some sort of watertight fencing? You're already fenced in, would 24" of barrier prevent this?

Yeah, like I said above, I would love actually about 20,000lbs of dirt to simply raise the entire yard. But we would need a lot of work again and also permits. Don't think the local government gonna cooperate with that idea.

The problem is - our backyard literally used to be a lake back in the day. For whatever reason it was removed and now our yard is in a huge depression in the land. That's why all the other neighbors water is naturally leaving their yards when it rains hard and comes to ours. 3 homes on the neighboring block and both of our neighbors. F**kers should have properly leveled the entire area before ever building here.

That, and the neighbor never once disclosed to us any of the flooding issues. We didn't know until a massive storm years later and too late to sue. And now when we sell this money pit - by law you need to disclose that little nugget. I'm sure buyers will jump at the chance when they find that out!

I personally think the city should be the ones to come in and fix the grading issues between yards. Other than that, we only have access to our own. Perhaps a moat system but you are not allowed to make things that would redirect water into other yards. But apparently if it happens naturally it's ok. :( :(

[jimnyc]

Would a couple of feet of topsoil to raise your borders do the trick? This isn't the first time you guys have been swamped.

Or how about some sort of watertight fencing? You're already fenced in, would 24" of barrier prevent this?

Or perhaps a cement based system in front of the fencing to go deep underground and high enough to block the water.

We're about to sell anyway - and this is a major issue.

AND - what if I told you I knew we already needed a new roof- and then this happened last night 2 floors up from the basement, so emergency roofers tomorrow and work begins monday, and will then need shit fixed in the room leaking with about 7 buckets lining that crack to catch water.

And that's praying that the eaves in the ceiling/roof don't need replacing. :( :( :(

https://i.imgur.com/bN9H5c7l.jpg

[NightTrain]

Damn, man.

Want me to send you the Kawasaki and hip waders?? :laugh:

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Didn't know you were on a former lake... this all makes more sense now. I figured it was the fault of neighboring landscaping.

What about digging a sump pit, lower than the level of your basement and putting an automatic pump to directly pump into the sewer system? A 3" pump could surely keep up with that inbound water. That would be a lot cheaper than what you're putting up with now with house damage every couple of years.

[jimnyc]

Damn, man.

Want me to send you the Kawasaki and hip waders?? :laugh:

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Didn't know you were on a former lake... this all makes more sense now. I figured it was the fault of neighboring landscaping.

What about digging a sump pit, lower than the level of your basement and putting an automatic pump to directly pump into the sewer system? A 3" pump could surely keep up with that inbound water. That would be a lot cheaper than what you're putting up with now with house damage every couple of years.

We have a 10 foot by 10 foot deep hole with a monstrous catch basin of sorts. That funnels the water through the french drain and into the sump pit on the side of the house, where we have 4 industrial pumps inside which then funnels to the sewer system. The sump pit is like 5 feet deep and needs to fill quite a bit before hitting the floats. Then it drains it. But right now, that 5 foot pit is overflowing at the top, as is the french drain and the underground basin can only help with water that seeps into the ground - which of course is oversaturating and filling our yard. Then it gets to our rear door to garage in which eventually gets through. I looked into a steel water barrier/door surrounding that opening - but 2 issues: 1) that displaced water will then just gain height and come around the side of the house to the garage entry 2) and the water also eventually seeps into the ground surface of the sump pit in the basement. So we get hit from every direction.

[jimnyc]

Damn, man.

Want me to send you the Kawasaki and hip waders?? :laugh:

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Didn't know you were on a former lake... this all makes more sense now. I figured it was the fault of neighboring landscaping.

What about digging a sump pit, lower than the level of your basement and putting an automatic pump to directly pump into the sewer system? A 3" pump could surely keep up with that inbound water. That would be a lot cheaper than what you're putting up with now with house damage every couple of years.

Forgot to mention - I wish I had waders actually! Wearing above knee rubber boots and they fill with water as it's beyond that deep downstairs. :(

[NightTrain]

What's your current GPM capacity and what do you estimate the actual inbound GPM rate to be? Double? Triple?

Sounds like your problem is not enough pump to keep you afloat.

[Kathianne]

Lordy I'm so sorry! Just awful.

My mom was pretty good at real estate-2 pieces of advice, orders really to my brother and I:
1. Buy the least expensive property in expensive area.
2. Get topographical survey of area, buy only in highest elevation-mind you this is in IL which floods and is very flat! LOL! Smart she was.

[jimnyc]

What's your current GPM capacity and what do you estimate the actual inbound GPM rate to be? Double? Triple?

Sounds like your problem is not enough pump to keep you afloat.

Only way to reduce would in fact be bigger and more pumps, but that's crazy. OR, larger piping but a little late for that. Our regular pumps, ones you can move by hand, are all drained via hoses.

ONE time we had to have the fire department come as we were worried about getting electrocuted. Not only did they bring a MONSTER pump I've never seen anywhere, but their damn fire hose attached to it and ran to our street. They emptied our flood in less than half an hour.

I don't know about any of the volume rates nor any GPM - 'cept for my toilet as it states it inside the tank. :)

[NightTrain]

One thing I was surprised to learn while researching my microhydro project for L5 is that one 3" line carries more water than two 2" lines.

You don't know what your existing pumps' GPM capacity is?

[jimnyc]

Lordy I'm so sorry! Just awful.

My mom was pretty good at real estate-2 pieces of advice, orders really to my brother and I:
1. Buy the least expensive property in expensive area.
2. Get topographical survey of area, buy only in highest elevation-mind you this is in IL which floods and is very flat! LOL! Smart she was.

Well, this was the cheapest we could find in our township but was still pricey in my eyes, but cheap compared to the other homes "on the other side of the tracks" that go for millions.

We were both naive and never considered the topography, nor flooding at all about this particular home. 1st house and I was overjoyed to have a driveway and garage! In the past 25 years I have learned a TON to keep in mind if we ever buy another.

The mortgage is completely paid. We are thinking about moving anyway. I sure hope nothing happens to reduce it to rubble and we only got the insurance money. :angel:

[SassyLady]

Wow, Jim! Brutal stuff .... hope that ceiling holds up with all the rain still coming.

My granddaughter is a teacher in NY. Said they closed school early today and it took her train 2.5 hrs to go 10 stops. She's from Arizona and is no stranger to massive amounts of rain but here in the desert it doesn't back up like in the city. She was nervous because her husband had to leave work and go pick up their daughter from school. She thought she might get stranded.

I didn't know you guys were going to get so hammered. Not a hurricane right?

[Kathianne]

Well, this was the cheapest we could find in our township but was still pricey in my eyes, but cheap compared to the other homes "on the other side of the tracks" that go for millions.

We were both naive and never considered the topography, nor flooding at all about this particular home. 1st house and I was overjoyed to have a driveway and garage! In the past 25 years I have learned a TON to keep in mind if we ever buy another.

The mortgage is completely paid. We are thinking about moving anyway. I sure hope nothing happens to reduce it to rubble and we only got the insurance money. :angel:

Basement flooding is by far the worst, even with 'expanded coverage' there's little real fairness here. As you say, not even basics paid in full.

[jimnyc]

One thing I was surprised to learn while researching my microhydro project for L5 is that one 3" line carries more water than two 2" lines.

You don't know what your existing pumps' GPM capacity is?

Nah. I could look at all but the ones in the pit outside as they are much too hard to get out of there for reading. Wouldn't have a clue else how to find out. :dunno: I do know they travel through PVC piping from that pit all the way to the sewer at the end of the block. We had to pay for the street to get dug up for the route. But it's only one PVC pipe running all the water. If it were a bigger pit, more pumps & say maybe 4 lines it would be better.

But we have spent like $50k on all of the work and hardware to just get a system in place to this point - and it failed with the most severe of downfalls. That doesn't include all of the repairs and replacements over the years .On our 3rd hot water heater and 2nd furnace. Replaced motherboard in old furnace like 7 times due to flooding. Lost a 2007 Mitsubishi Murano, but covered at least. Replaced garage door, and endless small things downstairs. And then.... well you see the photos.

I don't know if we're prepared to spend over a certain amount now. The roof, absolutely, that's a must. But whoever buys this home will be best off tearing her down and starting fresh from the ground up. And they would be wise to fix the yard prior to building. So basically we would be selling the land. Thankfully, properties in our area have risen. But we would never get back what we paid over 22 years before paying off mortgage early. With that said, I think we would be better off saving the most we can for any move we make and put less into this never ending saga on the lake.

*** Funny story. We had an old lady that used to live next to us. We became friends with her, and I recall the first time it REALLY flooded and destroying everything - I was chatting with her outside and she says "this used to happen to old neighbor all the time before they sold it to you!" - and then says "Yeah, back when I bought my home it was a beautiful lake back there!" She owned her home on this block before the others were even a thought. That's how we found out about the lake, and our sellers lack of disclosure.

[jimnyc]

Wow, Jim! Brutal stuff .... hope that ceiling holds up with all the rain still coming.

My granddaughter is a teacher in NY. Said they closed school early today and it took her train 2.5 hrs to go 10 stops. She's from Arizona and is no stranger to massive amounts of rain but here in the desert it doesn't back up like in the city. She was nervous because her husband had to leave work and go pick up their daughter from school. She thought she might get stranded.

I didn't know you guys were going to get so hammered. Not a hurricane right?

Cars are floating around on a few highways! Subways in NYC are under water as usual. So the whole region has issues, but those in flood areas even worse, and those living in former lakes apparently too!

[jimnyc]

Basement flooding is by far the worst, even with 'expanded coverage' there's little real fairness here. As you say, not even basics paid in full.

I should call them when the water is completely gone and then tell them we flooded due to the pump failing! LOL

[Kathianne]

Nah. I could look at all but the ones in the pit outside as they are much too hard to get out of there for reading. Wouldn't have a clue else how to find out. :dunno: I do know they travel through PVC piping from that pit all the way to the sewer at the end of the block. We had to pay for the street to get dug up for the route. But it's only one PVC pipe running all the water. If it were a bigger pit, more pumps & say maybe 4 lines it would be better.

But we have spent like $50k on all of the work and hardware to just get a system in place to this point - and it failed with the most severe of downfalls. That doesn't include all of the repairs and replacements over the years .On our 3rd hot water heater and 2nd furnace. Replaced motherboard in old furnace like 7 times due to flooding. Lost a 2007 Mitsubishi Murano, but covered at least. Replaced garage door, and endless small things downstairs. And then.... well you see the photos.

I don't know if we're prepared to spend over a certain amount now. The roof, absolutely, that's a must. But whoever buys this home will be best off tearing her down and starting fresh from the ground up. And they would be wise to fix the yard prior to building. So basically we would be selling the land. Thankfully, properties in our area have risen. But we would never get back what we paid over 22 years before paying off mortgage early. With that said, I think we would be better off saving the most we can for any move we make and put less into this never ending saga on the lake.

*** Funny story. We had an old lady that used to live next to us. We became friends with her, and I recall the first time it REALLY flooded and destroying everything - I was chatting with her outside and she says "this used to happen to old neighbor all the time before they sold it to you!" - and then says "Yeah, back when I bought my home it was a beautiful lake back there!" She owned her home on this block before the others were even a thought. That's how we found out about the lake, and our sellers lack of disclosure.
Horrible.

[Kathianne]

At least you're not alone:

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2023/09/29/new-york-city-hit-with-serious-flooding-state-of-emergency-declared-n581333

[jimnyc]

We have been cleaning downstairs all day and only got the garage done. Still have the entire basement full of grime/dirt and small amounts of water around that won't float itself to the pumps. Just gonna need to dry is all.

Magically it would appear that the water line rose above the new cement blocks we had built for the devices and was literally in the bases of each one, but the water heater and furnace appear to have actually made it through. Another hour of rain and we would have lost both. And they were calling for more but didn't get that final blast, and the pumps slowly caught up.

So really other than a major mess to clean we got lucky with all things considered. Everything else was mainly moved out over the years 'cept for my tools and top of workbench. Never has made it that high - yet. Ain't putting anything down there again 'cept for the heater and furnace. Got complacent after awhile as this system has mainly kept our basement dry - but this one done beat the system. I was starting to think about getting a washer and dryer again for down there and glad I didn't!

Now for my room, another story. Everything covered right now and roofers oddly start tomorrow on a Sunday. Ain't no repairing my ceiling, have to have the drywall replaced & not sure where the hell the eaves are checked while doing the roof. My ass doesn't go on roofs!

[Kathianne]

We have been cleaning downstairs all day and only got the garage done. Still have the entire basement full of grime/dirt and small amounts of water around that won't float itself to the pumps. Just gonna need to dry is all.

Magically it would appear that the water line rose above the new cement blocks we had built for the devices and was literally in the bases of each one, but the water heater and furnace appear to have actually made it through. Another hour of rain and we would have lost both. And they were calling for more but didn't get that final blast, and the pumps slowly caught up.

So really other than a major mess to clean we got lucky with all things considered. Everything else was mainly moved out over the years 'cept for my tools and top of workbench. Never has made it that high - yet. Ain't putting anything down there again 'cept for the heater and furnace. Got complacent after awhile as this system has mainly kept our basement dry - but this one done beat the system. I was starting to think about getting a washer and dryer again for down there and glad I didn't!

Now for my room, another story. Everything covered right now and roofers oddly start tomorrow on a Sunday. Ain't no repairing my ceiling, have to have the drywall replaced & not sure where the hell the eaves are checked while doing the roof. My ass doesn't go on roofs!

The walls from the roof should be covered by insurance-baring not having any citations or anything about replacing. Depending on the determination of roof, it may be covered it wind was involved.

[jimnyc]

The walls from the roof should be covered by insurance-baring not having any citations or anything about replacing. Depending on the determination of roof, it may be covered it wind was involved.

May be no way to know, but roofer thinks branches from our monstrous oak tree may have done it. They need trimming back off of our roof. The tree is like 75' high and the branches extend quite a ways outward. But 2 very large branches have worked their way over the top of like 1/4 of the roof and then starting sagging down from the weight of the branches. No way I was climbing that high, then somehow buzzing those branches. Let the roofers fall off the roof or cut their arm off. :laugh: Didn't think a dangling branch would put a hole in 2 spots of my roof, but here we are.

[Kathianne]

May be no way to know, but roofer thinks branches from our monstrous oak tree may have done it. They need trimming back off of our roof. The tree is like 75' high and the branches extend quite a ways outward. But 2 very large branches have worked their way over the top of like 1/4 of the roof and then starting sagging down from the weight of the branches. No way I was climbing that high, then somehow buzzing those branches. Let the roofers fall off the roof or cut their arm off. :laugh: Didn't think a dangling branch would put a hole in 2 spots of my roof, but here we are.

seriously, get an adjuster out there. You could save thousands-you know the basement is a loss.

Water damage, drying out, drywall, painting is expensive. You may have to leave home due to noise of fans. My bathroom leak caused over $45k in damages and another $20+k in additional expenses.

[hjmick]

Well... shit.

[jimnyc]

Well... shit.

That's what I said when I first walked down the stairs and saw the disaster. My wife slept in the garage near the pumps as the storm started overnight and place was dry in the AM. Up and down monitoring things. An hour later and open the door to the basement - and well..... shit. Sometimes that's all you can say.

Told my wife not to bother but she wanted to be near the pumps to make sure they were turned on and off if it didn't happen on it's own (long story). Had no idea she slept there so don't yell at me!

I told her, you can't stop water. Not without a vault barrier surrounding our door. A door isn't the appropriate barrier to block a flood from entering the garage. And then 6 nches later and it's over the step into the basement. And worse, the sump pump in basement can only do so much. When the water gets THAT saturated and flooded back there, it works it's way underground and upward into the sump pump pit, and beats pump and overflows into the basement. Double whammy. And it all leads back to the "lake" of water that forms with massive rains and eventually the lawn says "no mas" and the basement says "come on in". :laugh:

How's things by you Mr Mick? You hit the downtown area where I met you ever at all? Or not really your area?

[hjmick]

That's what I said when I first walked down the stairs and saw the disaster. My wife slept in the garage near the pumps as the storm started overnight and place was dry in the AM. Up and down monitoring things. An hour later and open the door to the basement - and well..... shit. Sometimes that's all you can say.

Told my wife not to bother but she wanted to be near the pumps to make sure they were turned on and off if it didn't happen on it's own (long story). Had no idea she slept there so don't yell at me!

I told her, you can't stop water. Not without a vault barrier surrounding our door. A door isn't the appropriate barrier to block a flood from entering the garage. And then 6 nches later and it's over the step into the basement. And worse, the sump pump in basement can only do so much. When the water gets THAT saturated and flooded back there, it works it's way underground and upward into the sump pump pit, and beats pump and overflows into the basement. Double whammy. And it all leads back to the "lake" of water that forms with massive rains and eventually the lawn says "no mas" and the basement says "come on in". :laugh:

How's things by you Mr Mick? You hit the downtown area where I met you ever at all? Or not really your area?



You make your wife sleep in the basement?! Some day you need to tell me your secret...



Everything is good here, man. Fingers crossed it'll be another year without a hurricane (just knocked wood) - sixty one days to go...

We go downtown occasionally, usually when we have people visiting or we're going to a show at the Charleston Music Hall, in fact we're going down to see Post Modern Jukebox the Sunday after Thanksgiving. Mostly we stick middle and upper King Street, where a couple three of out favorite eateries are... the best BBQ in town, a New Mexico style restaurant, and a very good local brewery. Come on down, we'll go... that goes for any of you... well, most of you anyway...

[jimnyc]

You make your wife sleep in the basement?! Some day you need to tell me your secret...



Everything is good here, man. Fingers crossed it'll be another year without a hurricane (just knocked wood) - sixty one days to go...

We go downtown occasionally, usually when we have people visiting or we're going to a show at the Charleston Music Hall, in fact we're going down to see Post Modern Jukebox the Sunday after Thanksgiving. Mostly we stick middle and upper King Street, where a couple three of out favorite eateries are... the best BBQ in town, a New Mexico style restaurant, and a very good local brewery. Come on down, we'll go... that goes for any of you... well, most of you anyway...

I was sleeping when she made that executive decision! Never told me and I was unaware. But I would have advised against it. She seems to think that if it starts to overflow and flood that she can maybe use a bucket and prevent that from happening. Water is too damn strong. Pumps and piping or hoses to the street are the only way.

Glad you guys have been storm free! music places sound cool, you should pirate some for us next time you go!

We don't really all get together for the southern vacations anymore. Sister and Dad don't talk and she hosts me 99% of the time. My brother is occupied with a girly in NJ and has been AWOL for a bit but isn't into it anymore. Jeff is odd, up all night and down for the count most of the day. Also nearly impossible to get a hold of him. I speak with my Dad daily mostly. He's 87 now and starting to slow down a bit. He now acts like he's in his 60's. Man is in damn great shape and still extremely active for his age. Out daily flying his drone or at some damn store or restaurant. He was driving to PA twice yearly and will be back in December. He said only once per year going forward. I'm happy to take a quick trip to see him down there though.

Would love to bring my drones down by you and fly/film that waterfront area we were at before you came and met up with us. Beautiful area in addition to all the downtown, and were a lot of hotties walking around that area!! Yeah, I'm married, and they wouldn't take an interest in me anyway. Doesn't hurt to do a little window shopping at the diamond store where I can never purchase anything. :thumb:

You should invite Gunny into town, see what he tells ya. :laugh:

[hjmick]

I was sleeping when she made that executive decision! Never told me and I was unaware. But I would have advised against it. She seems to think that if it starts to overflow and flood that she can maybe use a bucket and prevent that from happening. Water is too damn strong. Pumps and piping or hoses to the street are the only way.

Glad you guys have been storm free! music places sound cool, you should pirate some for us next time you go!

We don't really all get together for the southern vacations anymore. Sister and Dad don't talk and she hosts me 99% of the time. My brother is occupied with a girly in NJ and has been AWOL for a bit but isn't into it anymore. Jeff is odd, up all night and down for the count most of the day. Also nearly impossible to get a hold of him. I speak with my Dad daily mostly. He's 87 now and starting to slow down a bit. He now acts like he's in his 60's. Man is in damn great shape and still extremely active for his age. Out daily flying his drone or at some damn store or restaurant. He was driving to PA twice yearly and will be back in December. He said only once per year going forward. I'm happy to take a quick trip to see him down there though.

Would love to bring my drones down by you and fly/film that waterfront area we were at before you came and met up with us. Beautiful area in addition to all the downtown, and were a lot of hotties walking around that area!! Yeah, I'm married, and they wouldn't take an interest in me anyway. Doesn't hurt to do a little window shopping at the diamond store where I can never purchase anything. :thumb:

You should invite @Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30) into town, see what he tells ya. :laugh:


Even Gunny would be welcome!

I've always said that I would bend an elbow with almost anyone who let me know they were coming to town. The sentiment still stands. Mid-October through mid-May are the best times, no humidity to speak of... usually.

[jimnyc]

I wanted to try flying through the garage and into the shitty basement and test the low lighting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WYsOrAbNDU

[jimnyc]

Even Gunny would be welcome!

I've always said that I would bend an elbow with almost anyone who let me know they were coming to town. The sentiment still stands. Mid-October through mid-May are the best times, no humidity to speak of... usually.

Same here, my friends here are always welcome should they come to NY. Always offer to open our home for folks to say and even borrow a vehicle if they flew in and need to cruise around. Thus far only Russ and Abbey have swung by here & Darin and his girlfriend as well. I need to move somewhere nicer so folks will visit. :thumb:

I always find myself in the southern areas in the summer and inevitably heat highs will rush in and I melt like the wicked witch. Definitely next trips will be at cooler times. Might try to get to Alaska for sometime in the winter if I can. Only sweat then when out playing, otherwise the temps are nice and chilly. So long as Rick remembers the gas for the heat anyway so that my ass doesn't wake up at 3am in -10 outside. It got a tad cool in the cabin. :laugh2: At least I wasn't on a snow machine cruising for 40-50 miles out in that crap! Must have been a little chilly for them on that trip! And I was back at the cabin :420::420: