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Kathianne
09-11-2023, 05:55 PM
US troops working with African tribes for war? How?

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/09/11/has-the-pentagon-been-hiding-us-bases-in-africa-from-congress-n577130


Has the Pentagon been hiding US bases in Africa from Congress?JAZZ SHAW 5:01 PM on September 11, 2023

Has the Pentagon been hiding US bases in Africa from Congress?
AP Photo/Alex Brandon
The Intercept released a rather strange report this weekend involving Pentagon activity on the continent of Africa and an apparent lack of congressional oversight for such activities. And by “activity” I don’t mean the occasional jeep getting lost or some peacekeeping troops being ambushed by snipers. We apparently have entire military bases in Africa that haven’t been reported to Congress. I realize that probably sounds crazy to some of you, but it’s apparently not nearly as close to impossible as we might have thought. And our troops at those “enduring” forward operating sites under the control of U.S. Africa Command have been up to all sorts of interesting activities. For example, you may have recently heard about a junta in Niger this summer that overthrew the government and ousted its president. Would you be surprised to learn that we trained the military participants in the junta that did it? I know I was.


Since a cadre of U.S.-trained officers joined a junta that overthrew Niger’s democratically elected president in late July, more than 1,000 U.S. troops have been largely confined to their Nigerien outposts, including America’s largest drone base in the region, Air Base 201 in Agadez.


The base, which has cost the U.S. a total of $250 million since construction began in 2016, is the key U.S. surveillance hub in West Africa. But in testimony before the House and Senate Armed Services Committees in March, the chief of U.S. Africa Command described Air Base 201 as “minimal” and “low cost.”


Gen. Michael Langley, the AFRICOM chief, told Congress about just two “enduring” U.S. forward operating sites in Africa: Camp Lemonnier in Djibouti and a longtime logistics hub on Ascension Island in the south Atlantic Ocean.


The events in Niger really do paint a picture of the level of secrecy that had to be involved. Literally hours before the junta began, American diplomats were reporting to members of Congress that Niger’s government and democracy, while imperfect, were in decent shape and were “among the more stable in the region,” according to NBC News. The following day the President was behind bars and the military said it would prosecute him for treason. He was also reportedly running out of food in captivity.


But as I suggested above, there is a lot more going on here than just some secret training programs. The head of U.S. Africa Command has apparently been hiding plenty from Congress. In testimony before Congress this year, Gen. Michael Langley described the base where the Niger fighters were trained as being “minimal” and “low cost.” (I suppose that might be true if you consider a quarter of a billion dollars “low cost” for a forward operating post.) When he described the two “forward operating sites” we have in Africa (Camp Lemonnier and a logistics hub on Ascension Island) he left out a few other details.


It turns out that we have no fewer than 18 other operating posts around the continent, some of them of considerable size and durability. We also operate a longtime drone base in Tunisia, along with others used to conduct “shadow wars” in both Niger and Tunisia that never seem to make it into the news. But they apparently don’t show up in Pentagon reports to Congress because of linguistic tricks such as classifying them as only being “semi-permanent” or even “temporary” even if they’ve been operating for years.


You may find yourself wondering how in the world the Pentagon could hide something the size and cost of a military base. Perhaps it’s not as tricky as we might have imagined when you consider that it’s the only federal agency that has never once passed an audit, despite such independent audits being required by law. They regularly lose track of money in figures approaching the billions, or at least they claim to lose track. They’ve been up to plenty of other things that they simply don’t let Congress know about, and I’m not just talking about all of the UFO stuff. We honestly have no idea how much they’ve been hiding.


This is just the latest example of why we need increased transparency and accountability from virtually every facet of the government and we need new leaders who will lead the way in making changes and demanding that accountability. The Pentagon has either been lying about any number of things or they are too incompetent to be trusted. (Most likely a combination of a lot of both.) The Justice Department, DHS, and the intelligence agencies are no better. And in too many cases, they aren’t just lying to the American people, which we sadly should be used to by now, but they can’t even be trusted to tell the truth to Congress and submit themselves to proper oversight as defined in the Constitution. It’s time for a massive housecleaning, and if we don’t get one, this country is toast, plain and simple.

Gunny
09-11-2023, 06:33 PM
US troops working with African tribes for war? How?

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/09/11/has-the-pentagon-been-hiding-us-bases-in-africa-from-congress-n577130Well, well. Congress doesn't know. Djibouti sucks. I can say that :)

AHZ
09-12-2023, 05:18 AM
US troops working with African tribes for war? How?

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/09/11/has-the-pentagon-been-hiding-us-bases-in-africa-from-congress-n577130


are you saying the M.I.C. is out of control?

what?

no!

:clap::dance:

revelarts
09-12-2023, 10:20 AM
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?35559-Prez-sending-3000-troops-to-Africa/page2&highlight=africom
Africa Command AfriCOM started in 2008
I was waving my arms about it then.
Obama sent 3000 troops (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/06/army-3000-soldiers-serve-in-africa-next-year-060812/) in in 2012. and sent "advisors" and ships & planes to attack Libya
Trump gave the Pentagon a free hand to handle it's biz the way it wants too

With Trump approval, Pentagon expands warfighting authority

WASHINGTON (AP) — Week by week, country by country, the Pentagon is quietly seizing more control over warfighting decisions, sending hundreds more troops to war with little public debate and seeking greater authority to battle extremists across the Middle East and Africa.

This week it was Somalia, where President Donald Trump gave the U.S. military more authority to conduct offensive airstrikes on al-Qaida-linked militants. Next week it could be Yemen, where military leaders want to provide more help for the United Arab Emirates' battle against Iranian-backed rebels. Key decisions on Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan are looming, from ending troop number limits to loosening rules that guide commanders in the field.

The changes in President Donald Trump's first two months in office underscore his willingness to let the Pentagon manage its own day-to-day combat. Under the Obama administration, military leaders chafed about micromanagement that included commanders needing approval for routine tactical decisions about targets and personnel moves.

But delegating more authority to the Pentagon — and combat decisions to lower level officers — carries its own military and political risks. Casualties, of civilians and American service members, may be the biggest.

The deepening involvement in counterinsurgency battles, from the street-by-street battles being fought in Iraq right now to clandestine raids in Yemen and elsewhere, increases the chances of U.S. troops dying. Such tragedies could raise the ire of the American public and create political trouble with Congress at a time when the Trump administration is trying to finish off the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria and broaden efforts against similarly inspired groups.

Similarly, allowing lower level commanders to make more timely airstrike decisions in densely populated areas like the streets of Mosul, Iraq, can result in more civilian deaths. The U.S. military already is investigating several bombings in Mosul in mid-March that witnesses say killed at least 100 people. And it is considering new tactics and precautions amid evidence suggesting extremists are smuggling civilians into buildings and then baiting the U.S.-led coalition into attacking.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/under-tru...135021268.html


U.S. military doing things not authorized to do by congress, say it aint so.
U.S. military expansion world wide, bases on EVERY continent & country. (But if we don't THEY"LL KILL US ALLL aahh!!)

How about those military BIO-LABs next to Russia. Did congress know about & approve those?
mmm NO.

Who's running these shows folks?
Let's not put on red white and blue glasses and pretend it's all in good faith... for our safety.

AHZ
09-12-2023, 10:22 AM
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?35559-Prez-sending-3000-troops-to-Africa/page2&highlight=africom
Africa Command AfriCOM started in 2008
I was waving my arms about it then.
Obama sent 3000 troops (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/06/army-3000-soldiers-serve-in-africa-next-year-060812/) in in 2012. and sent "advisors" and ships & planes to attack Libya
Trump gave the Pentagon a free hand to handle it's biz the way it wants too


U.S. military doing things not authorized to do by congress, say it aint so?
U.S. military expansion world wide, bases on EVERY contented & country.
How about those military BIO-LABs next to Russia. Did congress know about & approve those?
mmm NO.

Who's running these shows folks?

Let's not put on red white and blue glasses and pretend it's all in good faith... for our safety.

it's commonly known as deep state, and they're real dillholes.

Kathianne
09-12-2023, 10:24 AM
Well at least in your post above it looks like this was a known group of US troops, no?

AHZ
09-12-2023, 11:02 AM
Well at least in your post above it looks like this was a known group of US troops, no?


no.

revelarts
09-12-2023, 05:21 PM
Well at least in your post above it looks like this was a known group of US troops, no?
Some not all.

Here's more
Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Assad
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50025-Pentagon-Report-Reveals-US-quot-Created-quot-ISIS-As-A-quot-Tool-quot-To-Overthrow-Assad


Parts of the State ....the Military, the Intel Agencies & Federal Bureaucracies.... are NOT under the control of the congress or the President.

AHZ
09-12-2023, 05:40 PM
Some not all.

Here's more
Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Assad
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50025-Pentagon-Report-Reveals-US-quot-Created-quot-ISIS-As-A-quot-Tool-quot-To-Overthrow-Assad


Parts of the State ....the Military, the Intel Agencies & Federal Bureaucracies.... are NOT under the control of the congress or the President.


they shoot presidents who disobey.

see jfk.

Gunny
09-12-2023, 05:43 PM
Well at least in your post above it looks like this was a known group of US troops, no?They're counterinsurgency teams. It's not new.

Nor is it some conspiracy or any other BS the tinfoilers want to screech. The administrative bullshit of reporting to Congress is on the CinC, not the military. The military doesn't decide its own missions.

AHZ
09-12-2023, 05:52 PM
They're counterinsurgency teams. It's not new.

Nor is it some conspiracy or any other BS the tinfoilers want to screech. The administrative bullshit of reporting to Congress is on the CinC, not the military. The military doesn't decide its own missions.


what about ollie north and drug dealing and gun running and secret wars?

revelarts
09-12-2023, 06:37 PM
they shoot presidents who disobey.

see jfk.


yep, JFK, MLK, RFK, MX, others

Thing about it is everyone comes to see this stuff in their own time... or not.
It wasn't until after 911 when the Constitution loving right started to roll out the patriot act and Bush's legal advisors were saying it was "legal" for the President to "crush the testicles of a child" to get info. That I was shocked out of my already cracked Red, White & Blue glasses enough to really start digging deep into and get a bigger more objective picture about what the h3ll was really going on in this country.

AHZ
09-13-2023, 04:07 AM
yep, JFK, MLK, RFK, MX, others

Thing about it is everyone comes to see this stuff in their own time... or not.
It wasn't until after 911 when the Constitution loving right started to roll out the patriot act and Bush's legal advisors were saying it was "legal" for the President to "crush the testicles of a child" to get info. That I was shocked out of my already cracked Red, White & Blue glasses enough to really start digging deep into and get a bigger more objective picture about what the h3ll was really going on in this country.


well its, as you know, the perpetual never ending battle between good and evil.


"Theline separating goodandevil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right througheveryhumanheart -- and through all humanhearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained" --alexander salty nixon.

revelarts
09-13-2023, 10:26 AM
well its, as you know, the perpetual never ending battle between good and evil.


"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained" --alexander salty nixon.

"alexander salty nixon".... :rolleyes: ;)
ok I guess he said that, ...


the original quote
“The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either – but right through every human heart…even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains…an uprooted small corner of evil.

Thanks to ideology the twentieth century was fated to experience evildoing calculated on a scale in the millions.

Alas, all the evil of the twentieth century is possible everywhere on earth. Yet, I have not given up all hope that human beings and nations may be able, in spite of all, to learn from the experience of other people without having to go through it personally.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

Solzhenitsyn makes a lot of things super clear...


“If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

During the life of any heart this line keeps changing place; sometimes it is squeezed one way by exuberant evil and sometimes it shifts to allow enough space for good to flourish. One and the same human being is, at various ages, under various circumstances, a totally different human being. At times he is close to being a devil, at times to sainthood. But his name doesn't change, and to that name we ascribe the whole lot, good and evil.

Socrates taught us: 'Know thyself!”
― Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago


.........

"Confronted by the pit into which we are about to toss those who have done us harm, we halt, stricken dumb: it is after all only because of the way things worked out that they were the executioners and we weren't.
From good to evil is one quaver, says the proverb.
And correspondingly, from evil to good."


Solzhenitsyn saw the problem with some revolutions in general,

“They destroy only those carriers of evil contemporary with them…. And they then take to themselves as their heritage the actual evil itself, magnified still more.”

Political, economic & medical systems are created & run by human beings.
This is another reason I think we all should all try to point past party & politics etc to core principals, personal trust in objective truth and morals.

Which Ultimately ,surprise surprise, somehow leads to God and Jesus. The one who can align our hearts toward His goodness in every circumstance and system. IF we trust and acknowledge Him and His principals.
We're never going to be perfect or agree on all points or the exact path but if we're all guided by the north star we're all going to be headed in the same general direction.

AHZ
09-13-2023, 02:10 PM
"know thyself" ... the same reasoning behind the golden rule.

Gunny
09-13-2023, 03:49 PM
:tinfoil:

revelarts
09-13-2023, 04:42 PM
:tinfoil:
"yep, JFK, MLK, RFK, MX, others
Thing about it is everyone comes to see this stuff in their own time... or not."


So you think crazed "lone gunmen" killed them all Gunny?
The same way the politicians and dissidents in Russia who oppose Putin have had unfortunate random accidents and plane crashes?

Gunny
09-13-2023, 04:47 PM
"yep, JFK, MLK, RFK, MX, others
Thing about it is everyone comes to see this stuff in their own time... or not."


So you think crazed "lone gunmen" killed them all Gunny.

The same way the politicians and dissidents in Russia who oppose Putin have accidents and plane crashes?We've already had this argument. I don't agree with yours. There's enough real BS going on that I don't need to invent any.

revelarts
09-13-2023, 04:53 PM
We've already had this argument. I don't agree with yours. There's enough real BS going on that I don't need to invent any.
It wouldn't be an invention.
just reality.


Just one quick question. when you or your folks were in the military in the 60s, how hard would it have been to find members of the military who would, if ordered, kill JFK, RFK MLK or MX?

Just hypothetically?
I know it doesn't prove that it happened, but it does mean that it's not crazy at all.
Especially when you add all the other evidence for it. And the LACK of evidence given for the accused "lone gunmen".