Trump's Tariffs Impact

[Kathianne]

best guess from the Trumpian voice-'elitist'!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-trade-deficit-tariffs-china-d434bf0f?st=wnd8dcx5wgm3tmk&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


Trump’s Real Trade RecordHis tariffs haven’t cut the trade deficit; they’ve merely shifted it.
By The Editorial Board
Sept. 6, 2023 6:44 pm ET

In a recent editorial we critiqued President Trump’s proposal for a 10% border tax on anything and everything imported by the U.S., and the self-proclaimed Tariff Man has upbraided us in a letter. (https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-my-tariff-policies-were-a-success-foreign-markets-2ec33248?mod=opinion_lead_pos7&mod=article_inline) This is a good debate to have, and Mr. Trump begins his missive by boasting that while he was in office the trade deficit with China was falling before Covid-19 hit.


But that’s not close to the full story. The goods trade deficit with China did dip somewhat after Mr. Trump launched his global tariff campaign in 2018. At the same time, however, the deficits with Mexico and the rest of the world went up. A trade surplus or deficit isn’t a good measure of success, but since Mr. Trump thinks it is, see the chart nearby. President Biden has left Mr. Trump’s policies in place, so the figures run through last year.

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[fj1200]

If Mr. Trump’s goal was to nudge businesses to friendlier locales, a better U.S. policy was to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement that excluded China. But Mr. Trump rejected that deal. The Pacific pact would have boosted trade among a dozen countries, including Vietnam, while offering companies an incentive to set up shop in those places. This approach would have avoided the collateral damage from Mr. Trump’s blunderbuss tariffs, and here we part ways with him again.

What dum dum sauce?

Withdrawing from TPP was dum dum sauce by dum dum man-child.

[Kathianne]

What dum dum sauce?


But...tariffs!

[fj1200]

But...tariffs!

And now unions...allegedly...apparently...maybe.

[Kathianne]

And now unions...allegedly...apparently...maybe.

Unions are always for the little guy, the downtrodden. Especially union bosses, who volunteer their services, since they are paid by 'the man.'

[Kathianne]

Unions are always for the little guy, the downtrodden. Especially union bosses, who volunteer their services, since they are paid by 'the man.'

This was sarcasm. Just reading it, figured some would not get that.

[Gunny]

best guess from the Trumpian voice-'elitist'!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-trade-deficit-tariffs-china-d434bf0f?st=wnd8dcx5wgm3tmk&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalinkNot much new here. I recall at the time when he unveiled his "steel tariff" our trading partners slapping tariffs on US imports in retaliation.

Trump claiming it as a victory is not surprising either:rolleyes:

[AHZ]

The goods trade deficit with China did dip somewhat after Mr. Trump launched his global tariff campaign in 2018.


the thinking persons takeaway from this is to broaden the tariffs to more countries.

are you people aware of all the stiff tariffs other countries implement against u.s. products?

have they just not learned the wisdom of sending all the jobs away (actually dum dum sauce)?

[fj1200]

the thinking persons takeaway from this is to broaden the tariffs to more countries.

are you people aware of all the stiff tariffs other countries implement against u.s. products?

have they just not learned the wisdom of sending all the jobs away (actually dum dum sauce)?

The realities of free trade are not with you.

[AHZ]

The realities of free trade are not with you.


trade can be made to work in many different directions depending on legalities of the situation.

free trade is not a moral framework.

[Gunny]

the thinking persons takeaway from this is to broaden the tariffs to more countries.

are you people aware of all the stiff tariffs other countries implement against u.s. products?

have they just not learned the wisdom of sending all the jobs away (actually dum dum sauce)?The thinking person realizes that broadening tariffs broadens retaliation against them.

[Gunny]

trade can be made to work in many different directions depending on legalities of the situation.

free trade is not a moral framework.Nonsensical.

[AHZ]

The thinking person realizes that broadening tariffs broadens retaliation against them.


oh nozers.

we would do well to just service our own domestic markets.


you are fear-based.

[Gunny]

oh nozers.

we would do well to just service our own domestic markets.


you are fear-based.I'm not promoting destroying the US economy out of fear. You are.

[AHZ]

I'm not promoting destroying the US economy out of fear. You are.


tariffs are standard.

pretending tariff are communism is a fairly new globalist retardation.

in your own article it says they were working.

or course when production shifts elsewhere you must put tariffs there too.

maintaining production capacity is important for all kinds of reasons, people having jobs not being the least of them.

you said yourself our currencys is based on our produced goods and services.

[Gunny]

tariffs are standard.

pretending tariff are communism is farily new globalist retardation.

in your own article it says they were working.

or course when production shifts elsewhere you must put tariffs there too.

maintaining production capacity is important for all kinds of reasons, people having jobs not being the least of them.

you said yourself our currencys is based on our produced goods and services.I have never stated tariffs don't work. I have repeatedly stated your uneducated, inexperienced idea of using protectionist tariffs to create a false economy doesn't work.

There's a difference,

[AHZ]

I have never stated tariffs don't work. I have repeatedly stated your uneducated, inexperienced idea of using protectionist tariffs to create a false economy doesn't work.

There's a difference,


what's false is pretending being a "consumer culture" is a viable long term strategy.

that's the big lie and you know it.

[Gunny]

what's false is pretending being a "consumer culture" is a viable long term strategy.

that's the big lie and you know it.What you think is a lie is irrelevant to you wanting to "fix" it with a lie.

[AHZ]

What you think is a lie is irrelevant to you wanting to "fix" it with a lie.


tariffs aren't a lie.


that's fairly nonsensical.

thanks for the entertainment.

[fj1200]

trade can be made to work in many different directions depending on legalities of the situation.

free trade is not a moral framework.


tariffs are standard.

pretending tariff are communism is a fairly new globalist retardation.

in your own article it says they were working.

or course when production shifts elsewhere you must put tariffs there too.

maintaining production capacity is important for all kinds of reasons, people having jobs not being the least of them.

you said yourself our currencys is based on our produced goods and services.


what's false is pretending being a "consumer culture" is a viable long term strategy.

that's the big lie and you know it.

Your statements are pretty much a word salad. Tariffs work if you want to retard your economy. Nobody stated tariffs are communism. Nobody is talking about a "consumer culture."

[AHZ]

Your statements are pretty much a word salad. Tariffs work if you want to retard your economy. Nobody stated tariffs are communism. Nobody is talking about a "consumer culture."


I can talk you through any word or phrase you don't understand.

btw, inability to read is a YOU problem.

[fj1200]

I can talk you through any word or phrase you don't understand.

btw, inability to read is a YOU problem.

My reading skills? Above average.

Your word usage skills? Ranks with gibberish.

[Kathianne]

Taking up the offer.
trade can be made to work in many different directions depending on legalities of the situation.

free trade is not a moral framework.'How 'made to work?' Why is force necessary? How do 'legalities' depend on a situation, are they no longer passed for all?


tariffs are standard.

pretending tariff are communism is a fairly new globalist retardation.

in your own article it says they were working.

or course when production shifts elsewhere you must put tariffs there too.

maintaining production capacity is important for all kinds of reasons, people having jobs not being the least of them.

you said yourself our currencys is based on our produced goods and services.Where are you seeing anyone claiming tariffs are communistic, much less communism in and of themselves? IF tariffs were working as you envision, why would production shift elsewhere-wouldn't 'all the jobs' be within country?


what's false is pretending being a "consumer culture" is a viable long term strategy.

that's the big lie and you know it. ​Not sure what you'd like to call our culture, but if not consuming, what is it you prefer to see?

[Kathianne]

ahz

[fj1200]

Questions and specifics? Are you crazy???

Nevertheless, what point is production other than consumption.

[AHZ]

Taking up the offer. 'How 'made to work?' Why is force necessary? How do 'legalities' depend on a situation, are they no longer passed for all?

Where are you seeing anyone claiming tariffs are communistic, much less communism in and of themselves? IF tariffs were working as you envision, why would production shift elsewhere-wouldn't 'all the jobs' be within country?

​Not sure what you'd like to call our culture, but if not consuming, what is it you prefer to see?


are you willing to use force to break a picket line?

[Kathianne]

Questions and specifics? Are you crazy???

Nevertheless, what point is production other than consumption.

Someone asked me if I thought perhaps there was a learning disability involved with the poster's writing style and behaviors. I didn't think so, none of us should be diagnosing or even guessing at such, but it was intriguing.

Perhaps accepting his offer, with specific highlights and questions will help decide if he's as trolling as appears or there's more going on there?

[AHZ]

Taking up the offer. 'How 'made to work?' Why is force necessary? How do 'legalities' depend on a situation, are they no longer passed for all?

Where are you seeing anyone claiming tariffs are communistic, much less communism in and of themselves? IF tariffs were working as you envision, why would production shift elsewhere-wouldn't 'all the jobs' be within country?

​Not sure what you'd like to call our culture, but if not consuming, what is it you prefer to see?


economists have said we are moving to a post industrial consumer culture, like it's something to be celebrated.

"we're all rich".

it;s actually a path to destruction.

the big lie is that "consumer culture" is a viable longterm economic pattern. production and consumption must go hand in hand.

consumer culture is a unbalanced retarded half truth. though yes, it emphasizes shopping so chicks dig it.

[Kathianne]

Someone asked me if I thought perhaps there was a learning disability involved with the poster's writing style and behaviors. I didn't think so, none of us should be diagnosing or even guessing at such, but it was intriguing.

Perhaps accepting his offer, with specific highlights and questions will help decide if he's as trolling as appears or there's more going on there?


are you willing to use force to break a picket line?

I guess he didn't mean the proposal and answer the question on trolling?

[fj1200]

economists have said we are moving to a post industrial consumer culture, like it's something to be celebrated.

"we're all rich".

it;s actually a path to destruction.

the big lie is that "consumer culture" is a viable longterm economic pattern. production and consumption must go hand in hand.

consumer culture is a unbalanced retarded half truth. though yes, it emphasizes shopping so chicks dig it.

Which economists? Were they celebrating?

[Kathianne]

economists have said we are moving to a post industrial consumer culture, like it's something to be celebrated.

"we're all rich".

it;s actually a path to destruction.

the big lie is that "consumer culture" is a viable longterm economic pattern. production and consumption must go hand in hand.

consumer culture is a unbalanced retarded half truth. though yes, it emphasizes shopping so chicks dig it.

You're not answering the 'words I didn't understand, that you offered to clarify,' instead you are giving more word salads. Nice of you to confirm you're a misogynist.

[AHZ]

Your statements are pretty much a word salad. Tariffs work if you want to retard your economy. Nobody stated tariffs are communism. Nobody is talking about a "consumer culture."


keeping jobs for americans and keeping vital industries domestic is smart.

sending all the jobs away is dumb.

kathianne sees socialism and communism in tariff arguments.

she said so.

[fj1200]

keeping jobs for americans and keeping vital industries domestic is smart.

sending all the jobs away is dumb.

kathianne sees socialism and communism in tariff arguments.

she said so.

Who has advocated to "send all the jobs away?"

And my guess is she sees those things in you, not tariff arguments.

[Kathianne]

keeping jobs for americans and keeping vital industries domestic is smart.

sending all the jobs away is dumb.

kathianne sees socialism and communism in tariff arguments.

she said so.

Tariffs DO NOT argue, it's your words that speak. Related to 'guns don't kill people, people do.'

[AHZ]

Taking up the offer. 'How 'made to work?' Why is force necessary? How do 'legalities' depend on a situation, are they no longer passed for all?

Where are you seeing anyone claiming tariffs are communistic, much less communism in and of themselves? IF tariffs were working as you envision, why would production shift elsewhere-wouldn't 'all the jobs' be within country?

​Not sure what you'd like to call our culture, but if not consuming, what is it you prefer to see?




I just mean laws being a form of force. are laws necessary?

tariffs sculpt how economics works. tariffs are enforced through law.

So im saying policy has an impact. that's really all I'm saying.

you said you saw socialism and communism in my other thread about tariffs, that you kicked me out of.


a functioning economy consists production and consumption.

globalist create zombie economies that make no sense. and then put a label on it like "consumer culture", or "post-industrial"

it's dum dum sauce.

[Kathianne]

I just mean laws being a form of force. are laws necessary?

tariffs sculpt how economics works. tariffs are enforced through law.

So im saying policy has an impact. that's really all I'm saying.

you said you saw socialism and communism in my other thread about tariffs, that you kicked me out of.


a functioning economy consists production and consumption.

globalist create zombie economies that make no sense. and then put a label on it like "consumer culture", or "post-industrial"

it's dum dum sauce.

I just won a bet! Thanks. (You did see the bolded, fj?) LOL!

Again, you answer nothing, more word salad. Your words infer the systems, not nonsense about tariffs-it's how you try to justify, though impossible to do more than infer, your posts doing make sense.

[AHZ]

I just won a bet! Thanks. (You did see the bolded, fj?) LOL!

Again, you answer nothing, more word salad. Your words infer the systems, not nonsense about tariffs-it's how you try to justify, though impossible to do more than infer, your posts doing make sense.

I can help you with phrases you don't understand.

what does infer the systems mean?

[Kathianne]

I can help you with phrases you don't understand.

what does infer the systems mean?
socialism and communism

You do have a reading comprehension problem, no?

[AHZ]

socialism and communism

You do have a reading comprehension problem, no?


i think you mean imply, and no they don't.

[Kathianne]

i think you mean imply, and no they don't.
No, I didn't and don't.

[AHZ]

No, I didn't and don't.


of course, you would prefer the wrong word.

LOL.

[AHZ]

Who has advocated to "send all the jobs away?"

And my guess is she sees those things in you, not tariff arguments.


globalists say it's fine to send all the jobs away.

opposing that is not communism.

[Gunny]

I can talk you through any word or phrase you don't understand.

btw, inability to read is a YOU problem.


My reading skills? Above average.

Your word usage skills? Ranks with gibberish.Obvious: Any failing pointed out about AHZ will be parroted back at you by Polly within days :rolleyes:

[fj1200]

globalists say it's fine to send all the jobs away.

opposing that is not communism.

Specifically? With some sort of quote?

[fj1200]

I just won a bet! Thanks. (You did see the bolded, fj?) LOL!

Again, you answer nothing, more word salad. Your words infer the systems, not nonsense about tariffs-it's how you try to justify, though impossible to do more than infer, your posts doing make sense.

I do question how much of a bet was placed but I do acknowledge your prescience. And I will buy the first round when I someday make it to AZ.

[Kathianne]

I do question how much of a bet was placed but I do acknowledge your prescience. And I will buy the first round when I someday make it to AZ.

I was taking liberties. Good news for you, I drink diet cola or coffee! LOL!

[AHZ]

Specifically? With some sort of quote?


I'll just be waiting on your list globalist quotes about how keeping jobs is important then.

[Kathianne]

I'll just be waiting on your list globalist quotes about how keeping jobs is important then.

There's no where to find all these 'globalists' calling for sending jobs overseas.
Specifically if you want to convince anyone to your actually having beliefs in this stuff, give some names of leaders that you and the Don are working against.

Just saying 'tariffs, tariffs, tariffs!' doesn't cut it.

[fj1200]

I'll just be waiting on your list globalist quotes about how keeping jobs is important then.

I'm not the one making unsupported claims.

[AHZ]

I'm not the one making unsupported claims.


you're not making any claims of anything.

you're inert.

[fj1200]

you're not making any claims of anything.

you're inert.

I've claimed that free trade is good. I've claimed that you're a populist, just not a very good one. I've claimed that you're not good at this. Claimed and shown, repeatedly.

[AHZ]

I've claimed that free trade is good. I've claimed that you're a populist, just not a very good one. I've claimed that you're not good at this. Claimed and shown, repeatedly.


i disagree with your analysis of site interactions.

[fj1200]

i disagree with your analysis of site interactions.

Round and round we go. You're not very good at this.

[Kathianne]

I've claimed that free trade is good. I've claimed that you're a populist, just not a very good one. I've claimed that you're not good at this. Claimed and shown, repeatedly.


i disagree with your analysis of site interactions.

FJ correct, AHZ wrong as wrong can be.

[fj1200]

FJ correct, AHZ wrong as wrong can be.

:wraparms:

I wonder if he realizes yet that he's the best friend a globalist could have. I'll use a more friendly term but I think unwitting person is not too far off.

[AHZ]

:wraparms:

I wonder if he realizes yet that he's the best friend a globalist could have. I'll use a more friendly term but I think unwitting person is not too far off.


and a populist could have a no better test case in fascist indoctrination as a buddy!

thanks for being you!:beer:

[fj1200]

and a populist could have a no better test case in fascist indoctrination as a buddy!

thanks for being you!:beer:

You shouldn't use words and phrases that you don't understand. It doesn't advance the conversation... then again you're not really interested in advancing anything.

[AHZ]

You shouldn't use words and phrases that you don't understand. It doesn't advance the conversation... then again you're not really interested in advancing anything.


Im interested in rolling back internationalist fascism.

[Kathianne]

Im interested in rolling back internationalist fascism.

What is internationalist fascism?

[AHZ]

What is internationalist fascism?


when multinational corporations achieve state capture over most if not all national governments, and bend all domestic policies in their interest.

[Kathianne]

when multinational corporationsl achieve state capture over most if not all national governments.
Okay...

Can you please name some of these multinational corporations that have achieved state capture over most, if not all national governments? I'm assuming since most, in not all national governments are mentioned, that includes the US? If so, when did that happen?

[AHZ]

Okay...

Can you please name some of these multinational corporations that have achieved state capture over most, if not all national governments? I'm assuming since most, in not all national governments are mentioned, that includes the US? If so, when did that happen?


do you deny all corporate influence over government policy?

[Kathianne]

do you deny all corporate influence over government policy?

You continually offer to clarify what we call 'word salads' and you call clear. When asked to clarify, you don't. Instead again you put forward a question that uses the confusing assumptions as base.

At this point it seems the best course would be to put an ignore on all you write, but it's too much fun to play with the nasty toy.

[AHZ]

... it's too much fun to play with the nasty toy.


my post is not word salad.

i just havent provided a list of examples.

I have a secret compartment that open when you lick it.

[Kathianne]

No more useless responses from AHZ will be forthcoming in this thread.

[Gunny]

my post is not word salad.

i just havent provided a list of examples.

I have a secret compartment that open when you lick it.Bullshit. You responded to her questions with an irrelevant sidestep.

[fj1200]

Im interested in rolling back internationalist fascism.

That's not really a thing. And you pretty much have fascism exactly backward.