US scientists repeat fusion ignition breakthrough for 2nd time

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Reuters
US scientists repeat fusion ignition breakthrough for 2nd time
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Updated Sun, August 6, 2023 at 5:21 PM CDT
(Reuters) -U.S. scientists have achieved net energy gain in a fusion reaction for the second time since December, the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory said on Sunday.

Scientists at the California-based lab repeated the fusion ignition breakthrough in an experiment in the National Ignition Facility (NIF) on July 30 that produced a higher energy yield than in December, a Lawrence Livermore spokesperson said.

Final results are still being analyzed, the spokesperson added.

Lawrence Livermore achieved a net energy gain in a fusion experiment using lasers on Dec. 5, 2022. The scientists focused a laser on a target of fuel to fuse two light atoms into a denser one, releasing the energy.


That experiment briefly achieved what's known as fusion ignition by generating 3.15 megajoules of energy output after the laser delivered 2.05 megajoules to the target, the Energy Department said.

In other words, it produced more energy from fusion than the laser energy used to drive it, the department said.

The Energy Department called it "a major scientific breakthrough decades in the making that will pave the way for advancements in national defense and the future of clean power."

Scientists have known for about a century that fusion powers the sun and have pursued developing fusion on Earth for decades. Such a breakthrough could one day help curb climate change if companies can scale up the technology to a commercial level in the coming decades.

(Reporting by Lavanya Ahire in Bengaluru and Doina Chiacu in Washington; additional reporting by Yana Gaur; Editing by Leslie Adler and Diane Craft)


Could end up being a fantastic breakthrough. Maybe an answer to the world's fuel crisis. --Tyr

[Gunny]

Could end up being a fantastic breakthrough. Maybe an answer to the world's fuel crisis. --TyrThe greenies will try and scuttle it if they can't have the proceeds. All energy that doesn't line their pockets is bad.

[BoogyMan]

There are some claims out of South Korea over the last couple of weeks that room temperature and single atmosphere superconductivity has been achieved as well, but that has yet to be checked and there is a lot of skepticism. Pretty exciting stuff if it all works out!

[AHZ]

Could end up being a fantastic breakthrough. Maybe an answer to the world's fuel crisis. --Tyr


there is no fuel crisis.

it's a made up lie to justify a scarcity/mass murder mentality in humanity at large.

this is the evil of the enviro-liars, they're part of the nazi eugenics coalition.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

there is no fuel crisis.

it's a made up lie to justify a scarcity/mass murder mentality in humanity at large.

this is the evil of the enviro-liars, they're part of the nazi eugenics coalition.

The greenies are screaming too soon, maybe. -Tyr

[revelarts]

Could end up being a fantastic breakthrough. Maybe an answer to the world's fuel crisis. --Tyr
Big oil/coal/gas would want it killed or radically slowed or control over it and the meters.
Watch reports start coming out from trusted sources saying that it's "too expensive" or "dangerous" in some way "not feasible" etc etc... OR
COMPLETE SILENCE.
People have been killed to keep or steal ham sandwiches, the energy corps won't close up shop without a real overt & covert struggle.

Personally i believe there are already several valid energy alternatives ...less exotic than fusion... that simply have not been allowed on the market. including plain old salt water.

[Kathianne]

Big oil/coal/gas would want it killed or radically slowed or control over it and the meters.
Watch reports start coming out from trusted sources saying that it's "too expensive" or "dangerous" in some way "not feasible" etc etc... OR
COMPLETE SILENCE.
People have been killed to keep or steal ham sandwiches, the energy corps won't close up shop without a real overt & covert struggle.

Personally i believe there are already several valid energy alternatives ...less exotic than fusion... that simply have not been allowed on the market. including plain old salt water.
I agree. Hydrogen being another simpler alternative.

[Gunny]

Big oil/coal/gas would want it killed or radically slowed or control over it and the meters.
Watch reports start coming out from trusted sources saying that it's "too expensive" or "dangerous" in some way "not feasible" etc etc... OR
COMPLETE SILENCE.
People have been killed to keep or steal ham sandwiches, the energy corps won't close up shop without a real overt & covert struggle.

Personally i believe there are already several valid energy alternatives ...less exotic than fusion... that simply have not been allowed on the market. including plain old salt water.I say the same, only the greenies are far more dangerous than whoever "big oil" is. Whatever energy source(s), it will be monopolized by whoever, and controlled by government. The green industry is selling fairy dust. At least fossil fuels are established as working with some efficiency.

Geothermal is another alternative that at east on paper appears efficient, less costly, and cleaner than other choices. It too has the issue of start-up cost and the time it takes to drill and set up production. Nobody wants to wait for anything even if it pays off long-term. Current energy producers cannot sell such long term ventures to investors.

I know little to nothing about nuclear energy besides the obvious dangers it presents when weaponized.

[fj1200]

If fusion wokrs it will be funded and rolled out.


I know little to nothing about nuclear energy besides the obvious dangers it presents when weaponized.

Unit 3 at Vogle near August GA just started producing power. Unit 4 should be coming online soon. It's a crying shame that we haven't built a new reactor in 40 years in this country.

[Gunny]

If fusion wokrs it will be funded and rolled out.



Unit 3 at Vogle near August GA just started producing power. Unit 4 should be coming online soon. It's a crying shame that we haven't built a new reactor in 40 years in this country.
Goes back to vilification. The smear campaigns and fearmongering against nuclear power was over the top and not just by current industry. To the point that its effects still prejudice people's thinking.

[AHZ]

If fusion wokrs it will be funded and rolled out.



Unit 3 at Vogle near August GA just started producing power. Unit 4 should be coming online soon. It's a crying shame that we haven't built a new reactor in 40 years in this country.


these facts point to the truth.

the ptb (powers that be) don't want enough energy.

they'd rather orchestrate an ELE (extinction level event) about the issue.

i'm here to administer your back door red pills for you.

[fj1200]

these facts point to the truth.

the ptb (powers that be) don't want enough energy.

they'd rather orchestrate an ELE (extinction level event) about the issue.

i'm here to administer your back door red pills for you.

Facts and you are not too well acquainted.

[AHZ]

Facts and you are not too well acquainted.


is the earth overpopulated with people?

[fj1200]

is the earth overpopulated with people?

No.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No.

Go ask China that question or even India... as both are greatly, too far over populated . A FACT.--Tyr

[fj1200]

Go ask China that question or even India... as both are greatly, too far over populated . A FACT.--Tyr

There's a difference between fact and opinion. I'll put you down with Malthus and Ehrlich.

[Gunny]

No.Smoke and mirrors argument, depending on what numbers one uses.

If you take square mileage of the globe and divide it by population then it is not overpopulated.

If you take inhabitable areas and divide it by the population then it probably is.

If you take inhabited areas and divide it by the population it's disgustingly overpopulated.

If you take inhabited areas and match them against the ecological capacity to support, definitely overpopulated.

Just about anywhere there is are natural resources that support life on this planet there's a colony of Earthmen living like fireants.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

There's a difference between fact and opinion. I'll put you down with Malthus and Ehrlich.

Aha, Malthus and Ehrlich will be so pleased that they are now in good company = ME! ;)--Tyr

[AHZ]

Aha, Malthus and Ehrlich will be so pleased that they are now in good company = ME! ;)--Tyr


im sorry thats nazi satanic bullcrap.

the earth is not overpopulated.

thats satan speaking.

there are some regional messes, but overall, the planet is capable.

the real problem is the elite are not willing, and prefer genocide, in the fog of their own power-obsessed madness.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

im sorry thats nazi satanic bullcrap.

the earth is not overpopulated.

thats satan speaking.

there are some regional messes, but overall, the planet is capable.

the real problem is the elite are not willing, and prefer genocide, in the fog of their own power-obsessed madness.

I disagree with that statement. China and India are both overpopulated. It boils down to how one defines overpopulation, imho.
When you have tens of millions in your country BARELY living hand to mouth, you are overpopulated. When you have large numbers starving you are overpopulated.
Both of those countries have that. And I did no even name Africa! --Tyr

[AHZ]

I disagree with that statement. China and India are both overpopulated. It boils down to how one defines overpopulation, imho.
When you have tens of millions in your country BARELY living hand to mouth, you are overpopulated. When you have large numbers starving you are overpopulated.
Both of those countries have that. And I did no even name Africa! --Tyr


there is enough food.

there is a distribution and a genocide problem from global elites trying to murder.

now theyre restricting supply even more , to kill more.

it's a made up evil lie made up by psychotics.

the carrying capcity of earth is very great. we focus our technologies on murder instead of agriculture.

this is a necromonger / nihilist society.

14401

[fj1200]

Smoke and mirrors argument, depending on what numbers one uses.

If you take square mileage of the globe and divide it by population then it is not overpopulated.

If you take inhabitable areas and divide it by the population then it probably is.

If you take inhabited areas and divide it by the population it's disgustingly overpopulated.

If you take inhabited areas and match them against the ecological capacity to support, definitely overpopulated.

Just about anywhere there is are natural resources that support life on this planet there's a colony of Earthmen living like fireants.

I believe in the ingenuity of man. Constant advancement has us feeding 8bb people in the world and besides global population is trending to peak at 10bbish between 2050 and 2100. And then decline. Plenty of countries and even continents are in decline already and the decline IMO is due to economic advancement.

I heard a stat awhile back that the entire population could live in TX, with a decent sized yard, leaving the rest of the globe for food production. I know you'll love your new neighbors. :laugh:

[fj1200]

Aha, Malthus and Ehrlich will be so pleased that they are now in good company = ME! ;)--Tyr

Malthus would be astounded how many people are living on planet earth compared to his time and Ehrlich made a bet and lost in the 80's. They both might have changed their mind by now.


I disagree with that statement. China and India are both overpopulated. It boils down to how one defines overpopulation, imho.
When you have tens of millions in your country BARELY living hand to mouth, you are overpopulated. When you have large numbers starving you are overpopulated.
Both of those countries have that. And I did no even name Africa! --Tyr

China is declining in population already and would like to reverse the trend and India would I think disagree with your statement. Africa's problem is a reliance on government which is generally the problem with starvation in the world.

[fj1200]

there is enough food.

there is a distribution and a genocide problem from global elites trying to murder.

now theyre restricting supply even more , to kill more.

it's a made up evil lie made up by psychotics.

the carrying capcity of earth is very great. we focus our technologies on murder instead of agriculture.

this is a necromonger / nihilist society.

Something I can almost agree with and then... Wow!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

there is enough food.

there is a distribution and a genocide problem from global elites trying to murder.

now theyre restricting supply even more , to kill more.

it's a made up evil lie made up by psychotics.

the carrying capcity of earth is very great. we focus our technologies on murder instead of agriculture.

this is a necromonger / nihilist society.

14401

My friend, I was not arguing about current food supply or farming.
Yes, capacity could support the world easily if properly managed, imho, it is government and culture in those starving populations in those nations.--Tyr

[AHZ]

My friend, I was not arguing about current food supply or farming.
Yes, capacity could support the world easily if properly managed, imho, it is government and culture in those starving populations in those nations.--Tyr


yes, a nihilist culture dominated by western eugenicist nations.

[Kathianne]

yes, a nihilist culture dominated by western eugenicist nations.

Now, once again, we're getting to how 'bad' Western Civ., i.e., America and cohorts are.

How about just coming out with what your economic solution is, beyond tariffs? I'm beginning to think the advocacy of such is just a warped attempt to get US to implement a self-destroying policy.

[AHZ]

Now, once again, we're getting to how 'bad' Western Civ., i.e., America and cohorts are.

How about just coming out with what your economic solution is, beyond tariffs? I'm beginning to think the advocacy of such is just a warped attempt to get US to implement a self-destroying policy.



it's just the war machine fascist elites, not the regular american people.

globalists are anti-human no matter where they are from.

most people are good. we're not actually "all to blame".

the oligarchs are in their own separate hell.

tariffs are the solution for american workers right now, the 1930s aside and irrelevant.

[Kathianne]

it's just the war machine fascist elites, not the regular american people.

globalists are anti-human no matter where they are from.

most people are good. we're not actually "all to blame".

the oligarchs are in their own separate hell.

tariffs are the solution for american workers right now, the 1930s aside and irrelevant.

Got those words out of your system? Good. Now, to what I actually asked above, be responsive please:


How about just coming out with what your economic solution is, beyond tariffs? I'm beginning to think the advocacy of such is just a warped attempt to get US to implement a self-destroying policy.

[AHZ]

Got those words out of your system? Good. Now, to what I actually asked above, be responsive please:


it's mostly just tariffs.

that's my solution.


im sorry you are programmed against seeing the obvious solution by globalists.

you can't ban me for having a different idea than you.

[fj1200]

it's just the war machine fascist elites, not the regular american people.

globalists are anti-human no matter where they are from.

most people are good. we're not actually "all to blame".

the oligarchs are in their own separate hell.

tariffs are the solution for american workers right now, the 1930s aside and irrelevant.

Tariffs in this thread too? Oh vey! I think your matrix is collapsing.

[AHZ]

Tariffs in this thread too? Oh vey! I think your matrix is collapsing.


yours is...
:dance: <------ NEO

[Kathianne]

it's mostly just tariffs.

that's my solution.


im sorry you are programmed against seeing the obvious solution by globalists.

you can't ban me for having a different idea than you.

Never have, you or anyone else. You can come out and say, "I find capitalism immoral and also the worst possible economic system ever implemented." I would vehemently disagree, but could argue details and examples for months, if not years.

However, tariffs are not a solution to anything, they are a deterrent to trade.

If you're against any trade, come out with it.

[Kathianne]

yours is...
:dance: <------ NEO
Stop.

[AHZ]

Never have, you or anyone else. You can come out and say, "I find capitalism immoral and also the worst possible economic system ever implemented." I would vehemently disagree, but could argue details and examples for months, if not years.

However, tariffs are not a solution to anything, they are a deterrent to trade.

If you're against any trade, come out with it.


i don't find capitalism immoral.

i find sending all the jobs and production away stupid.

im not against all trade. im against stupid trade.

you know other countries put tariffs on us don't you?

[Kathianne]

i don't find capitalism immoral.

i find sending all the jobs and production away stupid.

im not against all trade. im against stupid trade.

you know other countries put tariffs on us don't you?

Those were examples, not actual quotes.

'stupid trade' not defined. 'sending all the jobs and production away stupid' has not been advocated or suggested by anyone here. You never have come up with the people and citations of 'globalists' of whom you speak as if common knowledge.

[AHZ]

Those were examples, not actual quotes.

'stupid trade' not defined. 'sending all the jobs and production away stupid' has not been advocated or suggested by anyone here. You never have come up with the people and citations of 'globalists' of whom you speak as if common knowledge.


stupid trade is trade policy that is stupid.

sending jobs away is not seen as a problem by anyone here besides me and maybe a couple others.

this is typical of globalists.

these are all true statements.

[Kathianne]

stupid trade is trade policy that is stupid.

sending jobs away is not seen as a problem by anyone here besides me and maybe a couple others.

this is typical of globalists.

these are all true statements.

These are again, all non-responsive statements. Do not do again.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESPOND TO ANY POSTS, BUT IF YOU DO THEY MUST BE RESPONSIVE.

[AHZ]

These are again, all non-responsive statements. Do not do again.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESPOND TO ANY POSTS, BUT IF YOU DO THEY MUST BE RESPONSIVE.


they're not.

they're clear and concise points.

you are overstepping your mod authorities again making decisions like this.

you're supposed to stop doxxing and pornography.

[Kathianne]

AHZ done with this thread. See rules.

[fj1200]

you're supposed to stop … pornography.

Using the definition of "you'll know it when you see it," that's what she's doing. :slap:

[Gunny]

they're not.

they're clear and concise points.

you are overstepping your mod authorities again making decisions like this.

you're supposed to stop doxxing and pornography.Is that you, Jim? No?

Fuck off.