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revelarts
07-29-2023, 03:42 PM
1 doctor's perspective

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-are-the-risks-and-benefits-of


The Forgotten Side of Medicine
What are the risks and benefits of each vaccine?
The COVID-19 vaccines have provided a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to answer this question.

A MIDWESTERN DOCTOR
APR 5, 2023
A major problem I see throughout the scientific and political sphere is that people cannot maintain a perspective that allows them to see the whole picture; rather they tend to focus or fixate on things they have some type of emotional or subconscious priming to focus on (this has been an issue throughout history). This is why you can say have someone be around an individual they like and primarily registers the one good thing the individual did (while ignoring all the bad things) and conversely why they will ignore all the good things another individual they don’t like is trying so hard to do and focus on the one bad thing that individual did.

This human tendency ends up becoming a huge problem because the media will emotionally condition the public to focus on the one side on an issue which favors its corporate sponsors. This in turn leads to these people getting up in arms about that one point when individuals who dissent against the corporate narrative try to highlight the issues that greatly outweigh any purported benefit of the narrative.

This is particularly common with complex issues (which are difficult to understand to begin with) and one of my longstanding frustrations has been that despite the harms of vaccines greatly outweighing their benefits, many you bring this up to can only register the danger of the (often insignificant disease) the vaccine allegedly protects against. In my eyes, one of the upsides about COVID-19 is that this selective reframing of reality and the medias lies to maintain it went to such an extreme extent, much of the public became able to realize it was absurd and started taking the time to try and fully understand the subject.

One of the common questions I get from readers relates to another complex question—which vaccines are safe for their kids, and which ones are a bad idea? This is surprisingly difficult to answer because you must weigh the likelihood of an adverse event from a vaccination vs. the likelihood of suffering a complication from the disease that the vaccine would prevent you from getting and compute an figure that takes the weighted average of each into consideration.

In order make this determination, you need to consider all of the following:

Disease Risk
How likely is it for a person to get the disease?

Some diseases we vaccinate against are incredibly rare (e.g., tetanus).

How likely is the disease to cause a negligible, minor, moderate, severe, or fatal complication?

It is very important to distinguish between these categories because, for most infections, the risk of you catching it and then it becoming a severe condition is extremely low. For example, a Neisseria meningitidis infection (which can cause septic meningitis) is really bad and can progress very quickly, but also very rare for people to develop (one in ten people are asymptomatic carriers whereas approximately one in a million get it a year).

How likely is it that the severity of the disease can be improved with an existing medical treatment?

Most of the infections we vaccinate against are very easy to treat. Unfortunately, the focus is always on vaccinating against the disease rather than providing treatment for it (especially if the treatment is something more unorthodox than an antibiotic). In the case of COVID-19, while severe complications represent the minority of cases, they (and the more minor ones) can in most cases easily be prevented by early outpatient treatment. Unfortunately, the Federal government has refused to disclose to the public what the effective treatments are for it (presumably because it would make it impossible to continue making money off COVID-19).

How likely is it that you will have access to the necessary treatment before you get seriously ill?

Although I dislike the vaccine approach, I have to acknowledge that this is one of the strongest arguments for it. For rapidly progressing diseases, for those in isolated areas, for those unable to recognize their need to seek medical care, and for those of limited economic means, they often cannot get the necessary treatment for the disease before it is too late to prevent a severe complication.

In general, it’s very rare that a vaccine-preventable disease has both a significant likelihood that you will get it and a significant likelihood that it will develop into a severe condition. Many of those believed to fall into this category are no longer an issue in the United States (e.g., polio or smallpox), regardless of whether or not you are vaccinated, but people who look at this question are often fixated on the past presentations of the disease when it was more pathogenic or when we did not have a way to treat it.

Vaccine Efficacy
How likely is the vaccine to be effective in preventing the disease, and do the presence of vaccine antibodies correlate with a decreased risk of the disease?
.....
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-are-the-risks-and-benefits-of

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-29-2023, 06:36 PM
1 doctor's perspective

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-are-the-risks-and-benefits-of


The Forgotten Side of Medicine
What are the risks and benefits of each vaccine?
The COVID-19 vaccines have provided a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to answer this question.

A MIDWESTERN DOCTOR
APR 5, 2023
A major problem I see throughout the scientific and political sphere is that people cannot maintain a perspective that allows them to see the whole picture; rather they tend to focus or fixate on things they have some type of emotional or subconscious priming to focus on (this has been an issue throughout history). This is why you can say have someone be around an individual they like and primarily registers the one good thing the individual did (while ignoring all the bad things) and conversely why they will ignore all the good things another individual they don’t like is trying so hard to do and focus on the one bad thing that individual did.

This human tendency ends up becoming a huge problem because the media will emotionally condition the public to focus on the one side on an issue which favors its corporate sponsors. This in turn leads to these people getting up in arms about that one point when individuals who dissent against the corporate narrative try to highlight the issues that greatly outweigh any purported benefit of the narrative.

This is particularly common with complex issues (which are difficult to understand to begin with) and one of my longstanding frustrations has been that despite the harms of vaccines greatly outweighing their benefits, many you bring this up to can only register the danger of the (often insignificant disease) the vaccine allegedly protects against. In my eyes, one of the upsides about COVID-19 is that this selective reframing of reality and the medias lies to maintain it went to such an extreme extent, much of the public became able to realize it was absurd and started taking the time to try and fully understand the subject.

One of the common questions I get from readers relates to another complex question—which vaccines are safe for their kids, and which ones are a bad idea? This is surprisingly difficult to answer because you must weigh the likelihood of an adverse event from a vaccination vs. the likelihood of suffering a complication from the disease that the vaccine would prevent you from getting and compute an figure that takes the weighted average of each into consideration.

In order make this determination, you need to consider all of the following:

Disease Risk
How likely is it for a person to get the disease?

Some diseases we vaccinate against are incredibly rare (e.g., tetanus).

How likely is the disease to cause a negligible, minor, moderate, severe, or fatal complication?

It is very important to distinguish between these categories because, for most infections, the risk of you catching it and then it becoming a severe condition is extremely low. For example, a Neisseria meningitidis infection (which can cause septic meningitis) is really bad and can progress very quickly, but also very rare for people to develop (one in ten people are asymptomatic carriers whereas approximately one in a million get it a year).

How likely is it that the severity of the disease can be improved with an existing medical treatment?

Most of the infections we vaccinate against are very easy to treat. Unfortunately, the focus is always on vaccinating against the disease rather than providing treatment for it (especially if the treatment is something more unorthodox than an antibiotic). In the case of COVID-19, while severe complications represent the minority of cases, they (and the more minor ones) can in most cases easily be prevented by early outpatient treatment. Unfortunately, the Federal government has refused to disclose to the public what the effective treatments are for it (presumably because it would make it impossible to continue making money off COVID-19).

How likely is it that you will have access to the necessary treatment before you get seriously ill?

Although I dislike the vaccine approach, I have to acknowledge that this is one of the strongest arguments for it. For rapidly progressing diseases, for those in isolated areas, for those unable to recognize their need to seek medical care, and for those of limited economic means, they often cannot get the necessary treatment for the disease before it is too late to prevent a severe complication.

In general, it’s very rare that a vaccine-preventable disease has both a significant likelihood that you will get it and a significant likelihood that it will develop into a severe condition. Many of those believed to fall into this category are no longer an issue in the United States (e.g., polio or smallpox), regardless of whether or not you are vaccinated, but people who look at this question are often fixated on the past presentations of the disease when it was more pathogenic or when we did not have a way to treat it.

Vaccine Efficacy
How likely is the vaccine to be effective in preventing the disease, and do the presence of vaccine antibodies correlate with a decreased risk of the disease?
.....
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-are-the-risks-and-benefits-of

Want to play it safe--just say ffkk the vaccine...
but government has already found ways to punish that free choice.
But that makes government look to be dictatorial, eh?
Well guess what= that is because it is... :saluting2:.--Tyr

AHZ
07-30-2023, 11:39 AM
Want to play it safe--just say ffkk the vaccine...
but government has already found ways to punish that free choice.
But that makes government look to be dictatorial, eh?
Well guess what= that is because it is... :saluting2:.--Tyr


as long as it still bails out the banks and takes the corporate side in matters it's ok with libertarians.

corporations are morally perfect cuz reasons.

fj1200
07-30-2023, 12:26 PM
... libertarians.

Something else I can add to the list of things you don't understand.

AHZ
07-30-2023, 01:01 PM
Something else I can add to the list of things you don't understand.
set us all straight then, cletus.

Gunny
07-30-2023, 01:08 PM
1 doctor's perspective

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-are-the-risks-and-benefits-of


The Forgotten Side of Medicine
What are the risks and benefits of each vaccine?
The COVID-19 vaccines have provided a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to answer this question.

A MIDWESTERN DOCTOR
APR 5, 2023
A major problem I see throughout the scientific and political sphere is that people cannot maintain a perspective that allows them to see the whole picture; rather they tend to focus or fixate on things they have some type of emotional or subconscious priming to focus on (this has been an issue throughout history). This is why you can say have someone be around an individual they like and primarily registers the one good thing the individual did (while ignoring all the bad things) and conversely why they will ignore all the good things another individual they don’t like is trying so hard to do and focus on the one bad thing that individual did.

This human tendency ends up becoming a huge problem because the media will emotionally condition the public to focus on the one side on an issue which favors its corporate sponsors. This in turn leads to these people getting up in arms about that one point when individuals who dissent against the corporate narrative try to highlight the issues that greatly outweigh any purported benefit of the narrative.

This is particularly common with complex issues (which are difficult to understand to begin with) and one of my longstanding frustrations has been that despite the harms of vaccines greatly outweighing their benefits, many you bring this up to can only register the danger of the (often insignificant disease) the vaccine allegedly protects against. In my eyes, one of the upsides about COVID-19 is that this selective reframing of reality and the medias lies to maintain it went to such an extreme extent, much of the public became able to realize it was absurd and started taking the time to try and fully understand the subject.

One of the common questions I get from readers relates to another complex question—which vaccines are safe for their kids, and which ones are a bad idea? This is surprisingly difficult to answer because you must weigh the likelihood of an adverse event from a vaccination vs. the likelihood of suffering a complication from the disease that the vaccine would prevent you from getting and compute an figure that takes the weighted average of each into consideration.

In order make this determination, you need to consider all of the following:

Disease Risk
How likely is it for a person to get the disease?

Some diseases we vaccinate against are incredibly rare (e.g., tetanus).

How likely is the disease to cause a negligible, minor, moderate, severe, or fatal complication?

It is very important to distinguish between these categories because, for most infections, the risk of you catching it and then it becoming a severe condition is extremely low. For example, a Neisseria meningitidis infection (which can cause septic meningitis) is really bad and can progress very quickly, but also very rare for people to develop (one in ten people are asymptomatic carriers whereas approximately one in a million get it a year).

How likely is it that the severity of the disease can be improved with an existing medical treatment?

Most of the infections we vaccinate against are very easy to treat. Unfortunately, the focus is always on vaccinating against the disease rather than providing treatment for it (especially if the treatment is something more unorthodox than an antibiotic). In the case of COVID-19, while severe complications represent the minority of cases, they (and the more minor ones) can in most cases easily be prevented by early outpatient treatment. Unfortunately, the Federal government has refused to disclose to the public what the effective treatments are for it (presumably because it would make it impossible to continue making money off COVID-19).

How likely is it that you will have access to the necessary treatment before you get seriously ill?

Although I dislike the vaccine approach, I have to acknowledge that this is one of the strongest arguments for it. For rapidly progressing diseases, for those in isolated areas, for those unable to recognize their need to seek medical care, and for those of limited economic means, they often cannot get the necessary treatment for the disease before it is too late to prevent a severe complication.

In general, it’s very rare that a vaccine-preventable disease has both a significant likelihood that you will get it and a significant likelihood that it will develop into a severe condition. Many of those believed to fall into this category are no longer an issue in the United States (e.g., polio or smallpox), regardless of whether or not you are vaccinated, but people who look at this question are often fixated on the past presentations of the disease when it was more pathogenic or when we did not have a way to treat it.

Vaccine Efficacy
How likely is the vaccine to be effective in preventing the disease, and do the presence of vaccine antibodies correlate with a decreased risk of the disease?
.....
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-are-the-risks-and-benefits-ofSound reasoning. Don't agree with some of his conclusions. Especially downplaying the deaths attributable to COVID. I have stated from the beginning of the COVID pandemic that individuals need to choose whether or not they want to get vaccinated based on individual circumstance.

As the author touches upon, most preferred to react emotionally. That leads to distorted views and decisions.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-30-2023, 07:33 PM
Sound reasoning. Don't agree with some of his conclusions. Especially downplaying the deaths attributable to COVID. I have stated from the beginning of the COVID pandemic that individuals need to choose whether or not they want to get vaccinated based on individual circumstance.

As the author touches upon, most preferred to react emotionally. That leads to distorted views and decisions.
Well a lot of people get emotional when they see government pointing guns at them to force its edicts.
Fed has loads of power if it disallows certain Constitutional rights we have. While it applies new made rules to give it dictatorial authority.
Right now most the dem/lib government types are a bit nazi-light.. Just give them a few more months and watch their fangs suddenly grow..-Tyr

fj1200
07-30-2023, 08:37 PM
set us all straight then, cletus.

"All" don't need to be set straight. You need to do some reading.

AHZ
07-31-2023, 09:30 AM
"All" don't need to be set straight. You need to do some reading.


from all your extensive reading, explain why it's smart to send all the jobs away.

you can't.

all your beliefs are a pile of bullshit. you're a fucking idiot.

fj1200
07-31-2023, 02:57 PM
from all your extensive reading, explain why it's smart to send all the jobs away.

you can't.

all your beliefs are a pile of bullshit. you're a fucking idiot.

Asked an answered in other threads where that might have tangentially been related to the particular topic. This thread is about the covid vaccine.

Kathianne
07-31-2023, 03:28 PM
from all your extensive reading, explain why it's smart to send all the jobs away.

you can't.

all your beliefs are a pile of bullshit. you're a fucking idiot.

This is how you get thread banned

SassyLady
07-31-2023, 10:42 PM
This is how you get thread banned
:clap:

revelarts
06-13-2024, 03:58 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP4201zWcAAOx65?format=jpg&name=small

FYI

Gunny
06-13-2024, 04:58 PM
:deadhorse:

fj1200
06-13-2024, 04:59 PM
4.2. ConclusionsAdult vaccinations prevent substantial morbidity, disability and death among adults and have cost-effectiveness profiles that are considered favorable across multiple age- and medical-indication-based recommendations. Efforts to increase the implementation of adult vaccination recommendations, including communication of the economic value of adult vaccines to providers and patients and addressing barriers to implementation, are needed.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6545890/


Results: Current adult vaccination coverage (vs. no vaccination) is estimated to result in nearly 65 million averted disease cases, $185 billion averted costs of cases, and $136 billion in incremental vaccination costs over a 30-year period from a societal perspective (BCR = 1.4). Increased vaccination coverage (vs. current coverage) is associated with over 33 million additional averted disease cases, $96 billion additional averted costs of cases, and nearly $83 billion in incremental vaccination costs, resulting in a societal BCR of 1.2 over 30 years. Deterministic sensitivity analyses demonstrated that results were most sensitive to disease incidence, vaccine efficacy, and productivity costs for time required for vaccination.
Conclusions: Study results highlight the economic value of vaccination programs for older adults in the US and indicate that efforts to further increase vaccination coverage may be warranted and economically justifiable.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34334253/


Economic, equity, and global health benefits of vaccinesVaccines can have several economic benefits.3 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0003),10 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0010) One of the most discernible benefits is averted medical expenditure. By preventing an episode of the disease through a vaccine, the economic costs of treatment, such as physician fees, drugs and hospitalization expenses, and associated travel costs and wage loss of caregivers could be averted. This is particularly important for low and middle-income countries (LMICs) where a large part of medical expenditure is out-of-pocket. A clear example is the situation in India, where 65% of health expenditure is private, with extreme costs in some cases, which thrusts 51 million people into poverty every year.2 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0002),11 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0011),12 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0012) It is estimated that the measles, rotavirus, and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines could help avert $4.6 billion (2016 US$, adjusted for purchasing power parity) in out-of-pocket medical expenses in 41 Gavi-eligible LMICs during 2016–2030.13 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0013) Vaccines could also reduce the number of people who fall into poverty due to a catastrophic medical expense which is defined as a large proportion (typically, more than 10% to 25%) of household income or expenditure.12 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0012),14 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0014)-20 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0020)
...
Concluding remarksChildhood vaccines have numerous positive effects beyond disease prevention. The concept of broader benefits of vaccines which would include cognition, schooling, economic productivity, fertility, and related outcomes was first proposed by a key 2005 article.80 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0080) During the present decade, researchers have utilized and expanded this framework across several dimensions and country contexts.76 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0076),77 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0077),81 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0081)-85 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/#cit0085)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/

Oh, and BTW, vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells.

Gunny
06-13-2024, 06:14 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6545890/


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34334253/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7482790/

Oh, and BTW, vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells.

Pssst :poke: Still here. Winning :)

fj1200
06-13-2024, 09:19 PM
Pssst :poke: Still here. Winning :)

I thought this was a thread about pros/cons, costs/benefits, ups/downs... Apparently it's another meme posting thread with questionable information presented from one side. :shrug:

revelarts
07-21-2024, 01:43 PM
FYI
EXPERTS CONCEDE VACCINE SAFETY IS UNFUNDED AND INADEQUATE
New England Journal of medicine
"Del breaks down a recent article in the New England Journal of Medicine co-authored by Stanley Plotkin, the ‘godfather of vaccines,’ littered with admissions regarding the lack of safety studies related to vaccine safety. This monumental paper concedes many of the issues that The HighWire and the Informed Consent Action Network have been fighting for in court."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2402379

https://rumble.com/v576tyq-experts-concede-vaccine-safety-is-unfunded-and-inadequate.html?mref=1bxo9j&mrefc=9

Kathianne
07-27-2024, 11:51 AM
Something to make some happy-That should show big pharma and the wonderful, caring parents.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/measles-cases-surge-triple-last-years-with-5-months-go


Measles cases surge to triple last year's — with 5 months to goApproximately 85% of cases this year have been individuals without a Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) vaccination
By Timothy H.J. Nerozzi Fox News
Published July 27, 2024 10:17am EDT | Updated July 27, 2024 12:24pm EDT


Measles breaks out at massive NYC migrant shelter
The United States' rate of measles infections in 2024 is more than triple that of 2023, despite almost half the year still remaining.


There have been 188 reported cases of measles in the U.S. this year, according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated on Thursday.


It's a significant increase from last year, when only 58 cases were reported nationwide.




MEASLES BREAKS OUT AT MASSIVE NYC MIGRANT SHELTER


measles outbreak skin
Photo illustration shows the irritated skin of a patient afflicted with measles. The infection usually results in visible spots and a rash. (iStock)


Approximately 65% of this year's cases are associated with outbreaks, which the CDC defines as three or more related cases. There have been 13 outbreaks in the U.S. in 2024, compared to 4 outbreaks in 2023 that made up 48% of national cases.


About half of cases this year required hospitalization for the purposes of isolation or management of complications.


According to the CDC, 85% of infected individuals this year were "unvaccinated or unknown," while 10% had received one Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) vaccination and 5% had received two doses.




MMR vaccine
Photo shows a close-up of a measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine dose and the accompanying syringe. The vaccine is delivered in two doses. The first is administered for children 12 to 15 months old, followed by the second dose at 4 to 6 years old. (iStock)


Medical professionals say the risk of contracting measles is extremely low after getting vaccinated.


Measles is a highly contagious and serious airborne disease that can lead to severe complications and even death, especially in children. It is characterized by a fever as high as 105°F and malaise, cough, coryza and conjunctivitis followed by spots and a rash, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).




Despite the drastic increase in the rate of infection, it comes nowhere near 2019, when almost 1,300 cases of measles were reported across the United States in a single twelve-month period.

revelarts
07-27-2024, 01:03 PM
How many people here had measles when they were a kid?
How many people knew other kids in the area that had measles when they were kids?
Personally I don't know of any who died. Or were gravely ill. I knew one girl who had scars on her skin long after (or maybe that was mumps).

But again if people want their children to be vaccinated, fine.
I'm not advocating anyone stop them.
I just don't think hey should be mandatory.



BTW measles does still happen when folks are vaccinated.
Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

But if folks don't like to include that fact into reality. And want to believe that vaccines generally DO prevent measles.
Then NO parent who vaccinates their child should WORRY. THEY are protected.
It's only the crazy unvaccinated people who will get sick, be isolated at home or hospital, eat ice cream and watch movies in bed for a week.

But look Kath,
For me I have no knowledge that the measles vaccine has any bad side effects, long or short term. I haven't looked into it. Have you?
But my point with all the vaccines (drugs in general) is, what are the MAJOR benefits compared to the risk.
Seem to me there's VERY low risk in measles.
Not "NO Risk" but low risk. It's a risk many of us has as kids AND we got vaccinated as well.
I'm sure some folks are aware of tragic cases but the reality is that that is NOT typical is it?


Also concerning your article, now that the unvaccinated children have had the measles, they are now immune for life.

Kathianne
07-27-2024, 02:17 PM
How many people here had measles when they were a kid?
How many people knew other kids in the area that had measles when they were kids?
Personally I don't know of any who died. Or were gravely ill. I knew one girl who had scars on her skin long after (or maybe that was mumps).

But again if people want their children to be vaccinated, fine.
I'm not advocating anyone stop them.
I just don't think hey should be mandatory.


BTW measles does still happen when folks are vaccinated.
Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

But if folks don't like to include that fact into reality. And want to believe that vaccines generally DO prevent measles.
Then NO parent who vaccinates their child should WORRY. THEY are protected.
It's only the crazy unvaccinated people who will get sick, be isolated at home or hospital, eat ice cream and watch movies in bed for a week.

But look Kath,
For me I have no knowledge that the measles vaccine has any bad side effects, long or short term. I haven't looked into it. Have you?
But my point with all the vaccines (drugs in general) is, what are the MAJOR benefits compared to the risk.
Seem to me there's VERY low risk in measles.
Not "NO Risk" but low risk. It's a risk many of us has as kids AND we got vaccinated as well.
I'm sure some folks are aware of tragic cases but the reality is that that is NOT typical is it?


Also concerning your article, now that the unvaccinated children have had the measles, they are now immune for life.

Serious complications from measles are not as rare as one would think:

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/signs-symptoms/index.html


ComplicationsCommon complications from measles are:


Ear infections occur in about 1 out of every 10 children with measles.
Diarrhea is reported in less than 1 out of 10 people with measles.
Who is at risk
Measles can be serious in all age groups. However, there are several groups that are more likely to suffer from measles complications:


Children younger than 5 years of age
Adults older than 20 years of age
Pregnant people
People with weakened immune systems, such as from leukemia or HIV infection
Prevent measles & get vaccinated!‎
Talk to your health provider about the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.
Severe complications in children and adults
Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.


Hospitalization. About 1 in 5 unvaccinated people in the U.S. who get measles is hospitalized.
Pneumonia. As many as 1 out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
Encephalitis. About 1 child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain). This can lead to convulsions and leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.
Death. Nearly 1 to 3 of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles will die from respiratory and neurologic complications.
Complications during pregnancy. If you are pregnant and have not had the MMR vaccine, measles may cause birth prematurely, or have a low-birth-weight baby.
Long-term complications
Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) is a very rare, but fatal disease of the central nervous system. It results from a measles virus infection acquired earlier in life.


About SSPE
SSPE generally develops 7 to 10 years after a person has measles, even though the person seems to have fully recovered from the illness.
Since measles was eliminated in 2000, SSPE is rarely reported in the United States.
Among people who contracted measles during the resurgence in the United States in 1989 to 1991, 7 to 11 out of every 100,000 were estimated to be at risk for developing SSPE.
The risk of developing SSPE may be higher for a person who gets measles before they are 2 years of age.


Complications from MMR:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/mmr-vaccine.html


MMR Vaccine Side EffectsThe Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) vaccine is very safe, and it is effective at preventing measles, mumps, and rubella. Vaccines, like any medicine, can have side effects. Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it. Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps, or rubella.


Common Side Effects of MMR Vaccine
Sore arm from the shot
Fever
Mild rash
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women who did not already have immunity to the rubella component of the vaccine
MMR vaccine has been linked with a very small risk of febrile seizures (seizures or jerking caused by fever). Febrile seizures following MMR vaccination are rare and are not associated with any long-term effects. Because the risk of febrile seizures increases as infants get older, it is recommended that they get vaccinated as soon as recommended.


Some people may experience swelling in the cheeks or neck. MMR vaccine rarely causes a temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder that usually goes away without treatment and is not life threatening.


Extremely rarely, a person may have a serious allergic reaction to MMR vaccine. Anyone who has ever had a life-threatening allergic reaction to the antibiotic neomycin, or any other component of MMR vaccine, should not get the vaccine.

revelarts
08-13-2024, 01:47 PM
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