Could You Have Envisioned The Features Of Coming Presidential Election?

[Kathianne]

Plenty of time for changes, but right now it's looking more and more like the two leading contenders will both be fighting each other and prosecution. Both are more than likely deserving of being in court, though Biden certainly ripped off the country financially and in potential danger through his being compromised. Trump's crimes seem more those of hubris:

https://thespectator.com/topic/hunter-biden-grift-whole-family-business/


Hunter’s grift was really the whole family’s businessThat business had only one product: selling political influence


July 27, 2023 | 3:52 pm

he Biden administration has repeatedly told the public that Hunter’s lucrative consulting business doesn’t matter unless it is directly connected to his father. That’s true. Moreover, they add, that connection is not just unproven, it cannot be proved because it didn’t exist. That’s false, although the mainstream media has repeated it faithfully. But even the most feckless are finding it increasingly difficult to sustain this awkward lip-syncing with the White House press office.


Actually, the Biden grifting operation extends well beyond Hunter to include multiple family members. It always centered on Joe’s public position and the political access it ensured, first as the sitting vice president and then as a prospective Democratic nominee after Hillary Clinton’s defeat.


The clearest indication of the enterprise’s corrupt purpose is its construction of a web of nearly thirty LLCs to hide the distribution of profits from the operation. There is no legitimate business purpose for this tangled web of pass-through entities. The only purpose is to hide the sources and distribution of this outside money. That should be obvious even to the Washington Post, though it doesn’t seem to be. They might want to pay attention to another painful fact: all this money was paid for services that have never been disclosed to the public. You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to know the purpose. My dear Watson, all the clues point to political access.


That access hinged on Joe Biden’s political position. His family (and especially Hunter) went to great lengths to hide any direct, criminal connection and, it appears, to pay taxes on all the proceeds.


Proving a criminal connection to Joe Biden is a difficult, complex task — and it has not yet been done.


The main reason is hasn’t been proved, we now know, is that official investigations were deliberately blocked by higher-level officials at the IRS and, most likely, the Department of Justice. In private meetings at the Internal Revenue Service, those officials acknowledged that there were sufficient legal grounds to pursue those connections to Joe Biden, which emerged from the IRS investigation of Hunter. Then, for reasons that have not been explained, the same higher-level officials reversed themselves and prevented any investigation that would touch on Joe Biden himself.


We need to know the names of people who blocked that inquiry. We need to know if anyone higher up the chain of command ordered this cover-up or if they simply did it themselves to curry favor. We need all that testimony under oath.

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[AHZ]

Plenty of time for changes, but right now it's looking more and more like the two leading contenders will both be fighting each other and prosecution. Both are more than likely deserving of being in court, though Biden certainly ripped off the country financially and in potential danger through his being compromised. Trump's crimes seem more those of hubris:

https://thespectator.com/topic/hunter-biden-grift-whole-family-business/


what do you think bidens are giving in return for their unexplained foreign income?

[Kathianne]

Plenty of time for changes, but right now it's looking more and more like the two leading contenders will both be fighting each other and prosecution. Both are more than likely deserving of being in court, though Biden certainly ripped off the country financially and in potential danger through his being compromised. Trump's crimes seem more those of hubris:

https://thespectator.com/topic/hunter-biden-grift-whole-family-business/


what do you think bidens are giving in return for their unexplained foreign income?

Hope the change in text helps.

[AHZ]

Hope the change in text helps.
yes. excellent response.

but what are the potential dangers?

I think its mostly to keep us in the "new green deal" and strangling the economy for environment (depopulation )reasons.

[Kathianne]

yes. excellent response.

but what are the potential dangers?

I think its mostly to keep us in the "new green deal" and strangling the economy for environment reasons.

No help for you. Compromised position is all Biden. Green deal is part of his cover and beyond his ken.

[AHZ]

No help for you. Compromised position is all Biden. Green deal is part of his cover and beyond his ken.

there seem to be a lot of people invested in his corrupt regime, even in government.

it does look like they're preparing to take out bidens though, doesn't it. the brand has gone bad.

"Bidens Serve the CHairman best!" tm -- Hunter Biden

[revelarts]

So are we saying that we can't envision that some of the people running for office (and running the country) are shady crooks?
In America?


Somehow Bush v Clinton comes to my mind, 2 crime families in my book. who are great friends BTW.
But that's the presidency .... the congress is full of upright squeaky clean citizens... above reproach.
right?

Sorry, I'm far to Jaded and cynical about the political landscape to NOT envision corruption.

[AHZ]

So are we saying that we can't envision that some of the people running for office (and running the country) are shady crooks?
In America?


Somehow Bush v Clinton comes to my mind, 2 crime families in my book. who are great friends BTW.
But that's the presidency .... the congress is full of upright squeaky clean citizens... above reproach.
right?

Sorry, I'm far to Jaded and cynical about the political landscape to NOT envision corruption.


these neocon droids here are hooked on "bothesidesism".

it's the age old default libertarian brainlessness that comes with being compulsively above it all.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So are we saying that we can't envision that some of the people running for office (and running the country) are shady crooks?
In America?


Somehow Bush v Clinton comes to my mind, 2 crime families in my book. who are great friends BTW.
But that's the presidency .... the congress is full of upright squeaky clean citizens... above reproach.
right?

Sorry, I'm far to Jaded and cynical about the political landscape to NOT envision corruption.

Those that do not see the rampant corruption must believe in fairy tales too.
I never would have believed that the American public would be this deluded and blinded to the truth.
But such is the stark and very dangerous reality that we are currently in. -Tyr

[AHZ]

Those that do not see the rampant corruption must believe in fairy tales too.
I never would have believed that the American public would be this deluded and blinded to the truth.
But such is the stark and very dangerous reality that we are currently in. -Tyr

but trump and bleach!

both sides!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

but trump and bleach!

both sides!

Both sides does not mean it plays out even.
The dem party are masters at corruption. and they have a track record of getting by with it.
One only needs to apply reality to the situation. The Republicans cannot out do the corruption of the dem party, the mainstream media and the elements in the Feds that
are all for the socialist dems.
The deck is stacked heavily for the Dems and their allied cronies, imho. -Tyr

[revelarts]

Both sides does not mean it plays out even.
The dem party are masters at corruption. and they have a track record of getting by with it.
One only needs to apply reality to the situation. The Republicans cannot out do the corruption of the dem party, the mainstream media and the elements in the Feds that
are all for the socialist dems.
The deck is stacked heavily for the Dems and their allied cronies, imho. -Tyr

I just had a conversation yesterday with someone that told me just the opposite.
"the Rs are far worse than the Ds ever could be! Trump is going to jail this time."

IMHO they are different. the thing about the Ds is they are passionate about Horrific Ideas and are Corrupt
while the Rs TALK about having & protecting great ideas but are corrupt... and love of war & Big Corporations more than Americans.

The Rs slow the horrific ideas, but even then grudgingly.
And the Rs are bit pollyanna & not completely honest about the problems in their own house & "America".
While being clear headed and objective about the problems and "responsibilities" of the other side & other countries.

But i have to say that Trump did better than i expected.
And would be better than Biden.
But here are a few questions for Trump supporters.

Did he drain the swamp?
"Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign government"?
Did he Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton"?
Did he investigate Obama?
Did he Repeal Obama Care?
Did he Eliminate 'Common Core'?
Did he "build a wall"?
Did he get "Mexico to pay for it"?
Did he repeal any of the unconstitutional patriot act type things like spying on citizens, warrantless searches, TSA etc?
Did he even know or care about that?
Did he bring the troops home from Afghanistan after complaining about the waste?
Why hasn't he pardoned Assange again?

I can make a list of things he did that I think were Good or Very Good.
But I don't get the impression that many people really care about a lot of those policy issues.
Help make some Drugs Cheaper, signed a criminal justice reform bill, Eliminate the marriage penalty, Various Vet/VA policies, helped religious freedom issues/missionaries overseas, Changed NAFFTA, Canned the globalist TTP,
most importantly IMO he didn't get us into any wars & he nominated less liberal supreme court justices.

But From what i can tell most people like Trump because they think he's on thier side against the crazy left.
and that he's somewhat against the do-nothing anti-middle class, globalist establishment right.
And "loves America!"

Frankly -it seems to me- he makes some people feel like somethings moving in the right direction or at that at least he's standing against the crazy tide.
Which, in these times, is no small feat.

And Id have to say Despite all of his personal flaws, his belligerent style, and his real & imagined legal issues, he's still shown himself better than many candidates left or right. Which is a sad state of affairs.

[Kathianne]

I just had a conversation yesterday with someone that told me just the opposite.
"the Rs are far worse than the Ds ever could be! Trump is going to jail this time."

IMHO they are different. the thing about the Ds is they are passionate about Horrific Ideas and are Corrupt
while the Rs TALK about having & protecting great ideas but are corrupt... and love of war & Big Corporations more than Americans.

The Rs slow the horrific ideas, but even then grudgingly.
And the Rs are bit pollyanna & not completely honest about the problems in their own house & "America".
While being clear headed and objective about the problems and "responsibilities" of the other side & other countries.

But i have to say that Trump did better than i expected.
And would be better than Biden.
But here are a few questions for Trump supporters.

Did he drain the swamp?
"Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign government"?
Did he Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton"?
Did he investigate Obama?
Did he Repeal Obama Care?
Did he Eliminate 'Common Core'?
Did he "build a wall"?
Did he get "Mexico to pay for it"?
Did he repeal any of the unconstitutional patriot act type things like spying on citizens, warrantless searches, TSA etc?
Did he even know or care about that?
Did he bring the troops home from Afghanistan after complaining about the waste?
Why hasn't he pardoned Assange again?

I can make a list of things he did that I think were Good or Very Good.
But I don't get the impression that many people really care about a lot of those policy issues.
Help make some Drugs Cheaper, signed a criminal justice reform bill, Eliminate the marriage penalty, Various Vet/VA policies, helped religious freedom issues/missionaries overseas, Changed NAFFTA, Canned the globalist TTP,
most importantly IMO he didn't get us into any wars & he nominated less liberal supreme court justices.

But From what i can tell most people like Trump because they think he's on thier side against the crazy left.
and that he's somewhat against the do-nothing anti-middle class, globalist establishment right.
And "loves America!"

Frankly -it seems to me- he makes some people feel like somethings moving in the right direction or at that at least he's standing against the crazy tide.
Which, in these times, is no small feat.

And Id have to say Despite all of his personal flaws, his belligerent style, and his real & imagined legal issues, he's still shown himself better than many candidates left or right. Which is a sad state of affairs.

Well as of late, you and I rarely seem to agree. I'm so glad we still have this common ground. He was much better than I could have ever hoped for. Even with foreign affairs, better than I had hope of expecting.

I still think he was bad for the country and would be more so if he should win in 2024. Like you, 'Better than Biden' is faint praise indeed.

[AHZ]

I just had a conversation yesterday with someone that told me just the opposite.
"the Rs are far worse than the Ds ever could be! Trump is going to jail this time."

IMHO they are different. the thing about the Ds is they are passionate about Horrific Ideas and are Corrupt
while the Rs TALK about having & protecting great ideas but are corrupt... and love of war & Big Corporations more than Americans.

The Rs slow the horrific ideas, but even then grudgingly.
And the Rs are bit pollyanna & not completely honest about the problems in their own house & "America".
While being clear headed and objective about the problems and "responsibilities" of the other side & other countries.

But i have to say that Trump did better than i expected.
And would be better than Biden.
But here are a few questions for Trump supporters.

Did he drain the swamp?
"Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign government"?
Did he Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton"?
Did he investigate Obama?
Did he Repeal Obama Care?
Did he Eliminate 'Common Core'?
Did he "build a wall"?
Did he get "Mexico to pay for it"?
Did he repeal any of the unconstitutional patriot act type things like spying on citizens, warrantless searches, TSA etc?
Did he even know or care about that?
Did he bring the troops home from Afghanistan after complaining about the waste?
Why hasn't he pardoned Assange again?

I can make a list of things he did that I think were Good or Very Good.
But I don't get the impression that many people really care about a lot of those policy issues.
Help make some Drugs Cheaper, signed a criminal justice reform bill, Eliminate the marriage penalty, Various Vet/VA policies, helped religious freedom issues/missionaries overseas, Changed NAFFTA, Canned the globalist TTP,
most importantly IMO he didn't get us into any wars & he nominated less liberal supreme court justices.

But From what i can tell most people like Trump because they think he's on thier side against the crazy left.
and that he's somewhat against the do-nothing anti-middle class, globalist establishment right.
And "loves America!"

Frankly -it seems to me- he makes some people feel like somethings moving in the right direction or at that at least he's standing against the crazy tide.
Which, in these times, is no small feat.

And Id have to say Despite all of his personal flaws, his belligerent style, and his real & imagined legal issues, he's still shown himself better than many candidates left or right. Which is a sad state of affairs.

don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

his stance on trade tariffs and reversing globalist stupidity is all that matters for me.

its not a cult of personality as globalists like to try to pretend.

this single plank is behind the trump revolution.

we're single issue voters. tariffs are it. true story.

[AHZ]

Well as of late, you and I rarely seem to agree. I'm so glad we still have this common ground. He was much better than I could have ever hoped for. Even with foreign affairs, better than I had hope of expecting.

I still think he was bad for the country and would be more so if he should win in 2024. Like you, 'Better than Biden' is faint praise indeed.
how about best president in our lifetimes? on many issues.

you people are snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory, with your continual foot dragging and myopic perfectionist feels.

[revelarts]

Well as of late, you and I rarely seem to agree. I'm so glad we still have this common ground. He was much better than I could have ever hoped for. Even with foreign affairs, better than I had hope of expecting.

I still think he was bad for the country and would be more so if he should win in 2024. Like you, 'Better than Biden' is faint praise indeed.

I hear ya.
But I'm curious, why do you think Trump is "bad for the country"?

[AHZ]

I hear ya.
But I'm curious, why do you think Trump is "bad for the country"?


the libertarians have always been secret never trumper sleeper cells.

[Kathianne]

I hear ya.
But I'm curious, why do you think Trump is "bad for the country"?
There's some presidents that seem to be so flawed in character that their campaigns and subsequent elections actually change society. Trump is perhaps the most influential; Clinton a close second, imo; Obama running right up there.

[AHZ]

There's some presidents that seem to be so flawed in character that their campaigns and subsequent elections actually change society. Trump is perhaps the most influential; Clinton a close second, imo; Obama running right up there.


Trumps fine.

you can't handle an actually funny truth teller.

all you have is this made up pearl-clutching vague nonsense.

[revelarts]

There's some presidents that seem to be so flawed in character that their campaigns and subsequent elections actually change society. Trump is perhaps the most influential; Clinton a close second, imo; Obama running right up there.

I understand the sentiment.
But I wonder if Clinton, Obama & Trump are more reflections of society.
Each were voted in.
And lately when people of GOOD character have run I've heard MORE than once that those candidates "are too Good", "unrealistic".
I was in Florida a few weeks ago and someone there complained that DeSantis was TOO religious.

As much as people SAY they want people of Good Character, many people are not really comfortable with it.
Not comfortable enough to vote for it.
Liars, cheats, crooks, players, drunks and rude loud mouths are fine as long as they agree with a us on a few points.
And can "realistically win".
But Trump ... people seem to get Trump, seems to ID with Trump. Seems to reinforce a notion already in some folks mind that there's No need for being polite or kind or even exactly honest, Just tell'em where ya stand.

While Clinton and Obama are generally Charming Folks. and their Drug use (& lies ('I didn't inhale')) and womanizing or whatever, (leaving a trail of abuse), just shows they are "human".
And Trump, if nothing else, is entertaining.

Charm and Charisma go a looong way to cover over bad character & or Crap/NO policies.

And As much as I'd love to have president that was a great moral example in his or her personal life and character.
Bottom line is NO ONE & no -society- gets to make any excuses for their own piss poor behavior by saying that Trump, Clinton or Obama did it.

[Kathianne]

I understand the sentiment.
But I wonder if Clinton, Obama & Trump are more reflections of society.
Each were voted in.
And lately when people of GOOD character have run I've heard MORE than once that those candidates "are too Good", "unrealistic".
I was in Florida a few weeks ago and someone there complained that DeSantis was TOO religious.

As much as people SAY they want people of Good Character, many people are not really comfortable with it.
Not comfortable enough to vote for it.
Liars, cheats, crooks, players, drunks and rude loud mouths are fine as long as they agree with a us on a few points.
And can "realistically win".
But Trump ... people seem to get Trump, seems to ID with Trump. Seems to reinforce a notion already in some folks mind that there's No need for being polite or kind or even exactly honest, Just tell'em where ya stand.

While Clinton and Obama are generally Charming Folks. and their Drug use (& lies ('I didn't inhale')) and womanizing or whatever, (leaving a trail of abuse), just shows they are "human".
And Trump, if nothing else, is entertaining.

Charm and Charisma go a looong way to cover over bad character & or Crap/NO policies.

And As much as I'd love to have president that was a great moral example in his or her personal life and character.
Bottom line is NO ONE & no -society- gets to make any excuses for their own piss poor behavior by saying that Trump, Clinton or Obama did it.

Good isn't enough, Jimmy Carter was good before and after. Perhaps too honest for the job? Without doubt it's the elusive something in between.

[revelarts]

Good isn't enough, Jimmy Carter was good before and after. Perhaps too honest for the job? Without doubt it's the elusive something in between.

For a lot of folks it seems so.
Character & goodness doesn't seem to be high on the list for qualities for president for a lot of folks.

(But character flaws of the opponents, their friends & family are a prime target of criticism.)

[Kathianne]

For a lot of folks it seems so.
Character & goodness doesn't seem to be high on the list for qualities for president for a lot of folks.

(But character flaws of the opponents, their friends & family are a prime target of criticism.)

Yeah, elections, even the 'cleanest' are dirty.