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stephanie
10-08-2007, 02:39 PM
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The Government is to make it a crime to incite hatred against gay people, Justice Secretary Jack Straw announced tonight.

The move to outlaw inciting homophobic hatred comes after ministers moved to criminalise such activity on religious grounds earlier this year.

Today's announcement could cause a row over free speech, as the Government experienced over the religious hate crime measures.

Anyone convicted of the offence, which follows the introduction of the Racial and Religious Hatred Act, faces up to seven years in jail.

The penalties for inciting sexual hatred are likely to be the same.

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Mr Straw said: "It is a measure of how far we have come as a society in the last 10 years that we are now appalled by hatred and invective directed at people on the basis of their sexuality.

"It is time for the law to recognise this."

He said it would cover gay men, lesbians and bisexual people.

The move comes a month after Comedian Jim Davidson was axed from ITV's celebrity cooking show Hell's Kitchen for insulting homosexuals.

The 53-year-old controversial entertainer was asked to leave by programme-makers for homophobic comments, which saw him brand gay men "shirt-lifters".

Davidson left the nightly reality show after a series of rows with former Big Brother winner Brian Dowling, who is openly gay.

And last week a group of firemen who shone their torches at four men engaged in illegal 'dogging' - outdoor sexual activity with strangers - were demoted and fined £1,000 by their bosses after being accused of being homophobic.

After embarrassing the men by pointing their torches at them in parkland known as the Downs in Bristol, the crew continued on their way to their fire station.

But one of the 'doggers' complained to Avon Fire and Rescue, ultimately accusing the four-man crew of being homophobic.

Today Jack Straw said he would listen to views on whether the incitement offence should be further extended to cover hatred against disabled and transgendered people, and would proceed "if a case can be made".



Jack Straw: It is a measure of how far we have come as a society
In another new measure, police and probation will be expected to notify members of the public if a sex offender poses a risk to children.

A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said: "The presumption will be that the authorities will disclose information if they consider that an offender presents a risk of serious harm to a child."

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said: "We are committed to protecting children from sexual predators and the proposals being laid out today will strengthen that protection.

"The UK already has the strongest restrictions on child sex offenders and these proposals which follow on from the publication of the Child Sex Offenders Review earlier this year will help us to continue doing all we can to protect them."

Mr Straw told MPs the moves would be made as amendments to the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill.

In a further amendment, criminals on the sex offenders register will be required to provide extra information to the police, including information about email addresses, about new relationships with any woman who has children, and whether they are living in the same house as anyone under 18.

The law against inciting religious hatred came into force at the start of this month.

It closed a gap in race legislation that meant only Jews and Sikhs, who were deemed by the courts to be racial groups, were protected.

Other groups like Muslims and Christians were considered to be religious rather than racial so were thought not to have the same protection under the law.

When first proposed the religious hate crime legislation was heavily criticised by some groups who believed it could outlaw people such as comedians making jokes at religion's expense.

Blackadder and Mr Bean star Rowan Atkinson was among those who warned that such measures risked undermining the freedom of satirists, comedians and writers, and legitimate discussion about religion and religious practices.

There were two attempts by the Government to introduce it, first in 2001 and then later with the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act. They faltered because of the concerns.

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diuretic
10-08-2007, 07:28 PM
I'm a bit confused. Incitement to hatred I know about but the examples quoted in the Daily Mail (allowing it is a right wing rag) are hardly "incitments to hatred". Offensive, yes, but hardly incitement to hatred.

mrg666
10-08-2007, 07:39 PM
I'm a bit confused. Incitement to hatred I know about but the examples quoted in the Daily Mail (allowing it is a right wing rag) are hardly "incitments to hatred". Offensive, yes, but hardly incitement to hatred.

i suppose it's what side of the fence you sit when the remarks are thrown .
gay boys are renowned for there sensitivity so could easily interpret it as hatred :laugh2:

Guernicaa
10-08-2007, 08:49 PM
gay boys are renowned for there sensitivity so could easily interpret it as hatred :laugh2:
And black people are renowned for being criminals.
Are you going to agree with that statement? Theres more proof to back it up than your comment on gay men.

Guernicaa
10-08-2007, 08:50 PM
After embarrassing the men by pointing their torches at them in parkland known as the Downs in Bristol, the crew continued on their way to their fire station.
Yeah and probably yelled some really fucked up homophobic shit.

manu1959
10-08-2007, 09:10 PM
And black people are renowned for being criminals.
Are you going to agree with that statement? Theres more proof to back it up than your comment on gay men.

i didn't know you were a racist....

mrg666
10-09-2007, 07:02 AM
And black people are renowned for being criminals.
Are you going to agree with that statement? Theres more proof to back it up than your comment on gay men.

i know a few gays trhey are very sensitive did i hit a nerve

diuretic
10-09-2007, 07:06 AM
i suppose it's what side of the fence you sit when the remarks are thrown .
gay boys are renowned for there sensitivity so could easily interpret it as hatred :laugh2:

It's a form of tribalism. Thing is the straight tribe is bigger than the gay tribe and I thought that the American value was to disavow the tyranny of the majority. I'm not talking about digs like "shirt lifter". Heck gays can call me a "breeder", doesn't fuss me. But incitement to hatred is a bit more than "yer momma wears army boots".

Mind you having said that, Jack Straw, the minister quoted in the OP, is an idiot.

TheyLive
10-09-2007, 07:17 PM
The title of this thread should be "Anti-gay comments could cost you seven years in jail... in another country." Freedom of speech in the US goes way beyond anything in Europe, including the UK.

mrg666
10-09-2007, 07:26 PM
It's a form of tribalism. Thing is the straight tribe is bigger than the gay tribe and I thought that the American value was to disavow the tyranny of the majority. I'm not talking about digs like "shirt lifter". Heck gays can call me a "breeder", doesn't fuss me. But incitement to hatred is a bit more than "yer momma wears army boots".

Mind you having said that, Jack Straw, the minister quoted in the OP, is an idiot.

it will never be any differant we are the breeders (as you say ) we will allways be the majority if the tables ever turn the world will be in a very big mess.
yes jack straw is an idiot

avatar4321
10-09-2007, 07:59 PM
The title of this thread should be "Anti-gay comments could cost you seven years in jail... in another country." Freedom of speech in the US goes way beyond anything in Europe, including the UK.

i would think the "In another country" part would be obvious since this is in the international politics section.

mrg666
10-09-2007, 08:07 PM
i would think the "In another country" part would be obvious since this is in the international politics section.

good point
however the british press ( and not just the tabloids ) have a habbit of taking quotes out of context and happily pay out huge amounts of sometimes undisclosed cash (often to charity ) with a very small apology to the claimant

diuretic
10-09-2007, 08:43 PM
The title of this thread should be "Anti-gay comments could cost you seven years in jail... in another country." Freedom of speech in the US goes way beyond anything in Europe, including the UK.

It doesn't of course, your statement is just overblown rhetoric.

actsnoblemartin
10-09-2007, 10:58 PM
this is absolutely ridiculous!.

How do i get in touch with hells kitchen?, or jack straw via email, i cant afford the phone calls.

Oh no, dont offend the gay boy, you might go to jail.

Look, im not for bashing anyone, but i dont want people going to jail for a joke, or how they feel. Even if someone calls me a kike, they should not go to jail for 7 years.

Hate crime laws are a joke, and i dont support them.

since when was a crime done out of love?, were are such a wussy world:coffee:

grow a pair jack straw, or soon, youll :poke: bleeding every month

darin
10-09-2007, 11:28 PM
I believe in my lifetime Christianity will be regulated to hidden rooms. Unless one adopts the Religion of Liberalism, one won't be allowed to buy or sell. I believe my kids will be physically and legally persecuted because of their Faith.

God - I know you aren't surprised by this - you know what's going to happen because you're there...outside of the constraints of time. Forgive us. Return quickly.

manu1959
10-10-2007, 12:09 AM
I believe in my lifetime Christianity will be regulated to hidden rooms. Unless one adopts the Religion of Liberalism, one won't be allowed to buy or sell. I believe my kids will be physically and legally persecuted because of their Faith.

God - I know you aren't surprised by this - you know what's going to happen because you're there...outside of the constraints of time. Forgive us. Return quickly.

not possible in america.....even the ussr and china have been unable to acomplish this goal....

diuretic
10-10-2007, 04:02 AM
I believe in my lifetime Christianity will be regulated to hidden rooms. Unless one adopts the Religion of Liberalism, one won't be allowed to buy or sell. I believe my kids will be physically and legally persecuted because of their Faith.

God - I know you aren't surprised by this - you know what's going to happen because you're there...outside of the constraints of time. Forgive us. Return quickly.

Hidden rooms...like catacombs?

Not going to happen. The philosophy of liberal democrats doesn't encompass religious persecution.

avatar4321
10-10-2007, 09:20 PM
not possible in america.....even the ussr and china have been unable to acomplish this goal....

its happened before. it can happen again.