Atlantic Article: LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY We need to forgive one another for

[revelarts]

LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY
We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/


:rolleyes:

I've got words for this, but no time to write them all down.
short version, sorry, but you and your side in authority and high places in the media did a LOT MORE than be annoying. Huge uncounted amounts of real harm was caused.
Plus there was enough info so you didn't have to be ignorant.
The mentality you and other pushed was similar to a lynch mob. And there's yet to be honest apologies, confessions, or real compensation.
I'll leave it at that.




some what comes to mind for me...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1569777492415717381/pu/vid/1280x720/tOKOJfgnNwl1TgYg.mp4?tag=12



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fge2Tr1XwAAL9gU?format=jpg&name=medium

[SassyLady]

Not to mention not being allowed in the delivery room while your child is being delivered. My grandson and his wife had to make hard choices in 2021. One person allowed in delivery room. She wanted her hubby and her mother but had to choose. My grandson stayed and now her mother is broken hearted and they are not on good terms. Things like this are not easily forgiven and will never be forgotten.

[Black Diamond]

Not to mention not being allowed in the delivery room while your child is being delivered. My grandson and his wife had to make hard choices in 2021. One person allowed in delivery room. She wanted her hubby and her mother but had to choose. My grandson stayed and now her mother is broken hearted and they are not on good terms. Things like this are not easily forgiven and will never be forgotten.

Does the mother think she should have chosen her over her husband?

[SassyLady]

Does the mother think she should have chosen her over her husband?
Yes.

[Black Diamond]

LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY
We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/


:rolleyes:

I've got words for this, but no time to write them all down.
short version, sorry, but you and your side in authority and high places in the media did a LOT MORE than be annoying. Huge uncounted amounts of real harm was caused.
Plus there was enough info so you didn't have to be ignorant.
The mentality you and other pushed was similar to a lynch mob. And there's yet to be honest apologies, confessions, or real compensation.
I'll leave it at that.




some what comes to mind for me...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1569777492415717381/pu/vid/1280x720/tOKOJfgnNwl1TgYg.mp4?tag=12



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fge2Tr1XwAAL9gU?format=jpg&name=medium

It's amazing the Atlantic conceded anything

[fj1200]

It's amazing the Atlantic conceded anything

But did they learn anything?

[Black Diamond]

But did they learn anything?

With regard to?

[fj1200]

With regard to?

Not to go all nazi on everyone next time?

[Black Diamond]

Not to go all nazi on everyone next time?

Oh I doubt it.

[BoogyMan]

My answer to this? PISS OFF!!!

I didn't get to say goodbye to loved ones who died alone and terrified. I didn't get to comfort scared family members who I will never see again and I will NOT be forgetting or forgiving for this one.

These people can just PISS RIGHT OFF!

[icansayit]

LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY
We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/


:rolleyes:

I've got words for this, but no time to write them all down.
short version, sorry, but you and your side in authority and high places in the media did a LOT MORE than be annoying. Huge uncounted amounts of real harm was caused.
Plus there was enough info so you didn't have to be ignorant.
The mentality you and other pushed was similar to a lynch mob. And there's yet to be honest apologies, confessions, or real compensation.
I'll leave it at that.




some what comes to mind for me...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1569777492415717381/pu/vid/1280x720/tOKOJfgnNwl1TgYg.mp4?tag=12



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fge2Tr1XwAAL9gU?format=jpg&name=medium

The ATLANTIC is a known Propaganda RAG for the Democrat/Progressive/Radicals who wanted to destroy America...and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF US.

This is nothing but another Democrat Tactic to Pretend They Are Sorry, while holding knives behind their Lying backs, winking their eye, and Hoping All of their STUPID followers will fall for their FALSE PROMISES before the NEXT ATTEMPT TO DESTROY.

[Black Diamond]

My answer to this? PISS OFF!!!

I didn't get to say goodbye to loved ones who died alone and terrified. I didn't get to comfort scared family members who I will never see again and I will NOT be forgetting or forgiving for this one.

These people can just PISS RIGHT OFF!

Oh man. I'm sorry BoogyMan

[BoogyMan]

Much appreciated, good sir. I read this article and could feel my blood pressure rising with every smug preening self-serving word. These mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers put my family and my kid's families through a meat grinder for two years. I am not sure that there will ever be a time when I can look one of these loons in the face without malice, I wish I could....Lord help me I do, but I can't.


Oh man. I'm sorry BoogyMan

[Gunny]

LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY
We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/


:rolleyes:

I've got words for this, but no time to write them all down.
short version, sorry, but you and your side in authority and high places in the media did a LOT MORE than be annoying. Huge uncounted amounts of real harm was caused.
Plus there was enough info so you didn't have to be ignorant.
The mentality you and other pushed was similar to a lynch mob. And there's yet to be honest apologies, confessions, or real compensation.
I'll leave it at that.




some what comes to mind for me...
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1569777492415717381/pu/vid/1280x720/tOKOJfgnNwl1TgYg.mp4?tag=12



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fge2Tr1XwAAL9gU?format=jpg&name=medium

I don't need amnesty for not acting like a fool. If there is such a thing as "pandemic amnesty" as described above, there are plenty of people on BOTH sides of the argument who need to get in line. Rabid vaxxers and rabid anti-vaxxers sound the same from MY porch.

[revelarts]

I don't need amnesty for not acting like a fool. If there is such a thing as "pandemic amnesty" as described above, there are plenty of people on BOTH sides of the argument who need to get in line. Rabid vaxxers and rabid anti-vaxxers sound the same from MY porch.

So antivaxxers had vaxxed people:
fired from jobs,
refused to allow the vaxxed into stores,
Blocked them from public transportation,
Blocked them from public venues,
Refused them medical attention,
barred them schools and universities,
refused them travel out side of the country,
put the vaxxed in quarantine,
Kept vaxxed people away from their elderly or dying loved ones
made the vaxxed wear things on their faces or suffer various penalties
Made people who were vaxxed stay away from Churches & ran them out of parks & off beaches
Told them to STAY HOME until we say so.

Made people NOT get experimental vaccines issued by federal, state, local or corporate policy?
under threat of various penalties & sanctions?

the same?
Really?
What porch are you on Gunny?

[Gunny]

So antivaxxers had people
fired from jobs,
refused to allow the vaxxed into stores,
Blocked then from public transportation,
Blocked then from public venues,
Refused them medical attention,
barred them schools and universities,
refused them travel out side of the country,
put the vaxxed them in quarantine,
Kept vaxxed people away from their elderly or dying loved ones
made the vaxxed wear things on their faces or suffer various penalties?
Made people who were vaxxed stay away from Churches & ran them out of parks & off beaches
Told them to STAY HOME until we say so.

Made people NOT get experimental vaccines issued by federal, state, local or corporate policy?
under threat of various penalties & sanctions?

the same?
Really?
What porch are you on Gunny?Antivaxxers cried like little bitches and contributed just as much to the politicization of the issue as the idiots that want to throw people in jail for not getting the vaccination.

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. I don't care what you think. I don't care what you do. Isn't that what y'all have been crybabying about? I DO care that you helped turn this into a political shitfest so that no one will EVER know the actual truth. Y'all interjecting politics into a medical situation didn't help and no telling how many got hurt by bum fucking scoop from EITHER side.

THAT porch.

[revelarts]

Antivaxxers cried like little bitches and contributed just as much to the politicization of the issue as the idiots that want to throw people in jail for not getting the vaccination.

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. I don't care what you think. I don't care what you do. Isn't that what y'all have been crybabying about? I DO care that you helped turn this into a political shitfest so that no one will EVER know the actual truth. Y'all interjecting politics into a medical situation didn't help and no telling how many got hurt by bum fucking scoop from EITHER side.

THAT porch.
what politics did I inject into the question Gunny?

[revelarts]

Antivaxxers cried like little bitches and contributed just as much to the politicization of the issue as the idiots that want to throw people in jail for not getting the vaccination.

YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. I don't care what you think. I don't care what you do. Isn't that what y'all have been crybabying about? I DO care that you helped turn this into a political shitfest so that no one will EVER know the actual truth. Y'all interjecting politics into a medical situation didn't help and no telling how many got hurt by bum fucking scoop from EITHER side.

THAT porch.
Anti vaxxers didn't force anyone to believe ANYTHING or DO anything.
the whole point was that people should make up their OWN minds.
And have ALL the available info & options.
and then do what they thought best.
You know freedom.
Not fear and Jump to do what papa Guberment & big pharma wants and don't ask questions.

sorry you don't get that

[Gunny]

Anti vaxxers didn't force anyone to believe ANYTHING or DO anything.
the whole point was that people should make up their OWN minds.
And have ALL the available info & options.
and then do what they thought best.
You know freedom.
Not fear and Jump to do what papa Guberment & big pharma wants and don't ask questions.

sorry you don't get thatVaxxers didn't force anyone to do anything either, if you want to play THAT bullshit.

The whole point is when your decision for you fucks over everyone else, you DON'T get to make up your own mind. The welfare of the community trumps the welfare of the individual. That is how our society works. I should say, how it worked. Obviously they don't teach social studies anymore. Or that they DO teach the ultimate in self-centered selfishness nowadays is just as obvious.

The only thing antivaxxers "accomplished" is making people think they're extremist crybabies just like the vax or die crowd. No difference.

In this case, it didn't matter. No one made you get a vaccine you didn't want. You got your way so WTF are you crying about STILL?

I get the idea you argue with yourself in the mirror and there's always a winner and loser :rolleyes:

It's over.

[Black Diamond]

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[revelarts]

Vaxxers didn't force anyone to do anything either, if you want to play THAT bullshit.


When "the community" holds a gun to someones head and say, "do it or else", that's "force", and you know it.

goodnight.

[Gunny]

When "the community" holds a gun to someones head and say, "do it or else", that's "force", and you know it.

goodnight.Fine. I'll forgive you and grant amnesty if you'll just STFU about it. :slap:

[revelarts]

Here's start to what should be happening world wide


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgFOeLeVQAMtFcZ?format=jpg&name=small

[jimnyc]

Here's the problem I have, and it's nothing to do with who decided ultimately to get the shot and those who chose not to.

To me it's about all of the lies. The biggest lie started in China and continued onto the US when it was discovered that here were connections to funding at the Wuhan lab. Then the media interjected and lied to us and censored any discussion or truths. Many in our government lied to us. Fauci was by far the worst individual of all that was involved and lied so many times I couldn't even count.

We were lied to about how it spread, about masks, about lockdowns curing things, first and still told this was a "vaccine", but it did not prevent one from getting the disease we found out after the fact. That there was no gain of function shenanigans. The list could go on for pages and pages and pages.

This doesn't change or have anything to do with one's choice to get the shot or not. They lied in so many ways to the American people and much of this lying affected peoples lives in so many ways.

And the money trail is still being hidden the best they can... but I am hoping if republicans win the upcoming election that they will pull Fauci and others in on various investigations to find out what was lied about, and who, if anyone, was or is making monies/royalties or whatever from any of these medical companies.

[Gunny]

Here's the problem I have, and it's nothing to do with who decided ultimately to get the shot and those who chose not to.

To me it's about all of the lies. The biggest lie started in China and continued onto the US when it was discovered that here were connections to funding at the Wuhan lab. Then the media interjected and lied to us and censored any discussion or truths. Many in our government lied to us. Fauci was by far the worst individual of all that was involved and lied so many times I couldn't even count.

We were lied to about how it spread, about masks, about lockdowns curing things, first and still told this was a "vaccine", but it did not prevent one from getting the disease we found out after the fact. That there was no gain of function shenanigans. The list could go on for pages and pages and pages.

This doesn't change or have anything to do with one's choice to get the shot or not. They lied in so many ways to the American people and much of this lying affected peoples lives in so many ways.

And the money trail is still being hidden the best they can... but I am hoping if republicans win the upcoming election that they will pull Fauci and others in on various investigations to find out what was lied about, and who, if anyone, was or is making monies/royalties or whatever from any of these medical companies.Agreed, but don't stop at "official" lies. The extremist sheeple on both sides pushing their personal beliefs as facts/truth are as guilty of spreading the lie as the MSM and government.

BOTH sides of the vax argument and the Biden Admin's catering to crybabies has ensured we'll never get the actual truth.

[revelarts]

Agreed, but don't stop at "official" lies. The extremist sheeple on both sides pushing their personal beliefs as facts/truth are as guilty of spreading the lie as the MSM and government.

BOTH sides of the vax argument and the Biden Admin's catering to crybabies has ensured we'll never get the actual truth.


But Gunny help me out, what LIES -specifically- did the anti-vax, anti-mandate, anti-lockdown side push?
•that the virus was man made. True
•the virus is not as big a threat as advertised. 98+% survive. True
•there are alternative treatments & policies. True
•that lockdowns were not the way to go. True
•that lockdowns were harmful mentally, socially & economically. True
•that in all past pandemics they quarantined the sick and didn't lockdown the healthy. True
•that the surgical & cloth mask are basically useless against viruses. and OSHA & the CDC knew it long ago. True (useless and likely harmful)
•that the new "vaccines" were experimental. True
•that the new "vaccines" could have dangerous side effects & prove to be extremely dangerous long term. True
•that the new "vaccines" could change peoples DNA. True
•that the new "vaccines" RNA would get into breast milk. True
•that the new "vaccines" would not stop transmission. True
•that the new "vaccines" would not stop people from getting covid. True
•that the Covid mostly effected the elderly so everyone else should be left the H--- alone. True
•that a one-size-fits-all experimental vaccine mandate is wrong, medically, morally & legally. True
•that the gov't was planning on mandates. True
•that the gov't was planning on vaccine passports. (still are) True
•that natural immunity was/is BETTER than the "vaccines". True
•that Faucii is a lying scumbag and has been for decades. True

the only things Wrong I can think of is Trump saying stuff about Bleach and aquarium cleaner or something.
And the ideas of "chips" in the vaccine, None of which anyone on this board promoted. not even "Juicer" I believe.

So seriously Gunny, What Lies are you thinking of?
Was it the WAY they/we expressed the TRUE information? or what?

[Black Diamond]

But Gunny help me out, what LIES -specifically- did the anti-vax, anti-mandate, anti-lockdown side push?
•that the virus was man made. True
•the virus is not as big a threat as advertised. 98+% survive. True
•there are alternative treatments & policies. True
•that lockdowns were not the way to go. True
•that lockdowns were harmful mentally, socially & economically. True
•that in all past pandemics they quarantined the sick and didn't lockdown the healthy. True
•that the surgical & cloth mask are basically useless. and the OSHA & the CDC knew it long ago. True (useless and likely harmful)
•that the new "vaccines" were experimental. True
•that the new "vaccines" could have dangerous side effects & prove to be extremely dangerous long term. True
•that the new "vaccines" could change peoples DNA. True
•that the new "vaccines" RNA would get into breast milk. True
•that the new "vaccines" would not stop transmission. True
•that the new "vaccines" would not stop people from getting covid. True
•that the Covid mostly effected the elderly so everyone else should be left the H--- alone. True
•that a one-size-fits-all experimental vaccine mandates is wrong, medically, morally & legally. True
•that the gov't was planning on mandates. True
•that the gov't was planning on vaccine passports. (still are) True

the only things Wrong I can think of is Trump saying stuff about Bleach and aquarium cleaner or something.
And the ideas of "chips" in the vaccine, which no one on this board promoted.

So seriously Gunny, What Lies are you thinking of?
Was it the WAY they/we expressed it? or what?

There were many who did promote that idea as well as that's it's the mark of the beast. Gunny may not be limiting his scope to this board.

[jimnyc]

Agreed, but don't stop at "official" lies. The extremist sheeple on both sides pushing their personal beliefs as facts/truth are as guilty of spreading the lie as the MSM and government.

BOTH sides of the vax argument and the Biden Admin's catering to crybabies has ensured we'll never get the actual truth.

Yeps, I was guilty myself of posting some things that later turned out to not be true. We know folks in the government and media lied to us, and some folks took things to the extreme on the other side of the coin.

But I'll still feel a 'little' better even if it's just Fauci that goes down for his lies. He feels like the King Ringleader of the Lies. They should put him in Jeffrey Epstein's old cell.

[jimnyc]

There were many who did promote that idea as well as that's it's the mark of the beast. Gunny may not be limiting his scope to this board.

Or that it was planned and had Obama's DNA embedded into the vaccine. Found that out right here no less! :coffee:

[Gunny]

There were many who did promote that idea as well as that's it's the mark of the beast. Gunny may not be limiting his scope to this board.When speaking in general, I rarely limit my scope to this board.

One of my first comments whenever it was the "pandemic" became "official" was: "We, as a Nation, are acting like bunch of scared pussies in front of the entire World," or words to that effect. That was when it was still a medical emergency, prior to extremists politicizing a biological virus. Because we all know virus's vote :rolleyes:

Cause - effect - (working on potential) cure was and remains lost to superstitious fear-mongering from both extremes, with a self-interested government backed by the MSM and social media taking a side.

IMO, everyone lost.

[Gunny]

Yeps, I was guilty myself of posting some things that later turned out to not be true. We know folks in the government and media lied to us, and some folks took things to the extreme on the other side of the coin.

But I'll still feel a 'little' better even if it's just Fauci that goes down for his lies. He feels like the King Ringleader of the Lies. They should put him in Jeffrey Epstein's old cell.

Speaking of Satan on my TV as I type. Fauci is stumbling around the English language to John Kennedy on Fox :rolleyes:

Taking Fauci down suits me just fine. Must remember however he's like all roaches -- he's just the one we see.

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmtzTkUXoAMM7Bu?format=jpg&name=small



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcMPgB1CWQ

[Gunny]

Let's declare it okay to laugh at the alarmist conspiracy theorists still beating dead horses :)

[SassyLady]

Let's declare it okay to laugh at the alarmist conspiracy theorists still beating dead horses :)
No.

It's is not even close to being funny that those of us who questioned this are now vindicated. It is sad that we had to sound like alarmists. There should have been more people questioning these figures.

[fj1200]

No.

It's is not even close to being funny that those of us who questioned this are now vindicated. It is sad that we had to sound like alarmists. There should have been more people questioning these figures.

I'm not quite sure that's the take-away here.

[revelarts]

I'm not quite sure that's the take-away here.

only if you don't want to admit it.
Or still believe the count was right all along.

[fj1200]

only if you don't want to admit it.
Or still believe the count was right all along.

This guy?

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/2021/04/09/733d446e-4637-4bdd-8339-befc5b2d819f/sesame-street-the-count-1243711.jpg

He's got a good track record.

[SassyLady]

I'm not quite sure that's the take-away here.
I'm pretty sure it is the take away.

[fj1200]

I'm pretty sure it is the take away.

Whatevs. Truth will out.

[SassyLady]

Whatevs. Truth will out.
Which truth? April 2020 or January 2023? Both stories are from WaPost. Which is true fj?

[fj1200]

Which truth? April 2020 or January 2023? Both stories are from WaPost. Which is true fj?

Actual truth. They could both be true. The covid of almost 3 years ago is not the covid of today.

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1wqXUXXoAM9RiP?format=jpg&name=small

[AHZ]

No.

It's is not even close to being funny that those of us who questioned this are now vindicated. It is sad that we had to sound like alarmists. There should have been more people questioning these figures.

:clap:

[Gunny]

No.

It's is not even close to being funny that those of us who questioned this are now vindicated. It is sad that we had to sound like alarmists. There should have been more people questioning these figures.

Covid is real. People died world-wide en masse from COVID. People have not died en masse from the vaccine.

You (alarmists) have not been and are not vindicated by your exception to the rule horror stories as if they were the norm. To my original argument, all y'all did was muddy the water with BS no different than the BS the government and Demtards were spewing.

Regular people who needed good info to make decisions got between those terrified of the virus and those terrified of the cure.

I will point out again that the only people on this board trying to tell others what to do were anti-vaxxers. The rest of us were saying make your own decision.

[Black Diamond]

Covid is real. People died world-wide en masse from COVID. People have not died en masse from the vaccine.

You (alarmists) have not been and are not vindicated by your exception to the rule horror stories as if they were the norm. To my original argument, all y'all did was muddy the water with BS no different than the BS the government and Demtards were spewing.

Regular people who needed good info to make decisions got between those terrified of the virus and those terrified of the cure.

I will point out again that the only people on this board trying to tell others what to do were anti-vaxxers. The rest of us were saying make your own decision.
The issue isn't limited to the board. People wanted us dead.

[Gunny]

The issue isn't limited to the board. People wanted us dead.Want who dead? Who are "people" and who are "us"?

[Black Diamond]

Want who dead? Who are "people" and who are "us"?

Many leftists wanted those who didn't want to get vaccinated dead. As the unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated.
Biden didn't help with his rhetoric.

[Gunny]

Many leftists wanted those who didn't want to get vaccinated dead. As the unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated.
Biden didn't help with his rhetoric.

Gotcha. Scared little pussies, hiding in their basements afraid to breathe. What you mean is they wanted someone else to force people to take the vaccine because those pansies would die of fright at the thought of touching an unvaccinated person.

[Black Diamond]

Gotcha. Scared little pussies, hiding in their basements afraid to breathe. What you mean is they wanted someone else to force people to take the vaccine because those pansies would die of fright at the thought of touching an unvaccinated person.

Sounds about right.

[fj1200]

Whatevs. Truth will out.


It's is not even close to being funny that those of us who questioned this are now vindicated. It is sad that we had to sound like alarmists. There should have been more people questioning these figures.

I believe that I was wrong.

The problem being that one side said a million things and the other side said a million things. Each side says the other side was wrong and their own side was right. Neither side admits when they were wrong at times and that the other side was right at times.

The truth will not out because no ones wants to find it.

[Kathianne]

I believe that I was wrong.

The problem being that one side said a million things and the other side said a million things. Each side says the other side was wrong and their own side was right. Neither side admits when they were wrong at times and that the other side was right at times.

The truth will not out because no ones wants to find it.

Yep, I too said I was wrong more than a year ago. That decisions were made with best advice at time doesn't make them right.

Given same circumstances and same info I'd likely do same, if hadn't known outcome.

I don't need others to say what info they had as "facts" from "good sources" and videos. I just wish they'd bask in their superiority and quiet down now.

[AHZ]

Covid is real. People died world-wide en masse from COVID. People have not died en masse from the vaccine.

You (alarmists) have not been and are not vindicated by your exception to the rule horror stories as if they were the norm. To my original argument, all y'all did was muddy the water with BS no different than the BS the government and Demtards were spewing.

Regular people who needed good info to make decisions got between those terrified of the virus and those terrified of the cure.

I will point out again that the only people on this board trying to tell others what to do were anti-vaxxers. The rest of us were saying make your own decision.


people have died en masse from the vaccine.

your big pharma trusting idiocy facilitated the totalitarianism that ensuede.

yes. ensuede. check out my shoes.

[Gunny]

people have died en masse from the vaccine.

your big pharma trusting idiocy facilitated the totalitarianism that ensuede.

yes. ensuede. check out my shoes.Bullshit. People died en masse from the virus. People did not die en masse from the vaccine. A small percentage suffered side effects from the vaccine. Like a percentage suffers side effects from all vaccines.

Unfortunately, since there is no honesty from either extreme on the topic, we'll never know what the truth is.

[AHZ]

Bullshit. People died en masse from the virus. People did not die en masse from the vaccine. A small percentage suffered side effects from the vaccine. Like a percentage suffers side effects from all vaccines.

Unfortunately, since there is no honesty from either extreme on the topic, we'll never know what the truth is.
they did die en masse from the vaccine.

it's ok if we disagree.

[Black Diamond]

they did die en masse from the vaccine.

it's ok if we disagree.

This is yet to be determined.

[AHZ]

This is yet to be determined.
they've been suppressing vax truth.

[fj1200]

they did die en masse from the vaccine.

Blood on trump's hands. So sad.

[AHZ]

Blood on trump's hands. So sad.


yes. I disagreed with trump on vaccine stuff.

will you acknowledge now that the vaccine caused much harm?

[fj1200]

yes. I disagreed with trump on vaccine stuff.

will you acknowledge now that the vaccine caused much harm?

trump kills people and can't hire good people. What were his qualifications again?

[AHZ]

trump kills people and can't hire good people. What were his qualifications again?


the only anti-globalist on the ticket in fifty years.

[revelarts]

I believe that I was wrong.
The problem being that one side said a million things and the other side said a million things. Each side says the other side was wrong and their own side was right. Neither side admits when they were wrong at times and that the other side was right at times.
The truth will not out because no ones wants to find it.


Yep, I too said I was wrong more than a year ago. That decisions were made with best advice at time doesn't make them right.
Given same circumstances and same info I'd likely do same, if hadn't known outcome.
I don't need others to say what info they had as "facts" from "good sources" and videos. I just wish they'd bask in their superiority and quiet down now.


I appreciate you both here.
especially in the face of the amount or continued propaganda on the issue.

However part of the reason i will never shut up is the way many people reacted to those who were telling the truth and trying to speak.
Mostly off this board.
While on the board...
Kath I think you were very respectful .. as usual.
But FJ you backhandedly dismissed & belittled a LOT of hard evidence and refused to review honest information presented. just sayin'.
While some folks (see Gunny's last 3 post) still say that most of what was presented was just ALARMIST talk, meant only to put FEAR into people and that "BOTH sides" where wrong to do it. While at the time they (cough-Gunny-cough) beat us over the head with not understanding about "Being part of the TEAM".
And I repeat STILL make out as if were blindly hand waving instead of presenting
FACTS/REAL INFO
that has been (and still are) suppressed
that everyone should to ADD to
their OBJECTIVE assessments of the Covid situation.

It not game of one ups-men-ship,
As usual my biggest frustration is getting people to honestly listen to HARD FACTS as if they are, hard facts or as serious info.
when we pointed out that mask where found by the CDC 20 years ago not to stop the spread of infections AGAIN after they realized after the Spanish flu. and more recently DENTIST who work inches from people faces also found they did NO good against infection.

when the data showed that MOST people didn't die from covid
when MANY drs were using alt treatments that worked and were in congress begging with TEARS to use them more broadly.
What hindered folks from listening and why call us "Alarmist"?!
When corners from around the world report seeing things coming out of peoples bodies that they'd NEVER seen in work before. Apparently after vaccination.
Why is that ALARMIST and not just FACTS that need to be looked at? ADDED to whatever info that shows "success" & "safety" anyone thinks the vax has.
add that info TO your positive assessment. Fine.

But why should we "be quiet" when the facts are STILL suppressed, and people are still in denial.
People still are talking about going back to mask and lockdowns.
Covid hasn't gone away but still the only OFFICIAL and universally allowed remedy are the vaxs.
And the question of what to do "NEXT TIME" is still on the table.
And the question the vaxs long term safety, injury & injury treatment are STILL in the air.

Folks can ignore the info if they like but I thank God for the medical pros & researchers who never shut up over this mess.
Even at the threat of loss of jobs, access to the major public outlets and even broken professional & personal relationships. after the OTHER SIDE stopped communicating.

So nope
I'm not going to be quiet.
sorry -not sorry-. I don't think anyone of us (on this "side") want to hurt anyones feelings or "rub it in".
From the beginning the motivation has been to inform and get informed of the facts available to HELP people.
So yea, I'm not shutting up yet. can't bask yet.
Once all available facts are treated AS such and not "conspiracy", or "hearsay", or "antidotal", or "fringe", or "alarmist", or "anti-sci/vax" or censored then maybe ill rest my gums... maybe.

We may not agree, which is fine.
Just know this whatever I say is coming a place of trying to get a fair hearing next time around
& trying to inform/help.
...cough-usually-cough

[AHZ]

I appreciate you both here.
especially in the face of the amount or continued propaganda on the issue.

However part of the reason i will never shut up is the way many people reacted to those who were telling the truth and trying to speak.
Mostly off this board.
While on the board...
Kath I think you were very respectful .. as usual.
But FJ you backhandedly dismissed & belittled a LOT of hard evidence and refused to review honest information presented. just sayin'.
While some folks (see Gunny's last 3 post) still say that most of what was presented was just ALARMIST talk, meant only to put FEAR into people and that "BOTH sides" where wrong to do it. While at the time they (cough-Gunny-cough) beat us over the head with not understanding about "Being part of the TEAM".
And I repeat STILL make out as if were blindly hand waving instead of presenting
FACTS/REAL INFO
that has been (and still are) suppressed
that everyone should to ADD to
their OBJECTIVE assessments of the Covid situation.

It not game of one ups-men-ship,
As usual my biggest frustration is getting people to honestly listen to HARD FACTS as if they are, hard facts or as serious info.
when we pointed out that mask where found by the CDC 20 years ago not to stop the spread of infections AGAIN after they realized after the Spanish flu. and more recently DENTIST who work inches from people faces also found they did NO good against infection.

when the data showed that MOST people didn't die from covid
when MANY drs were using alt treatments that worked and were in congress begging with TEARS to use them more broadly.
What hindered folks from listening and why call us "Alarmist"?!
When corners from around the world report seeing things coming out of peoples bodies that they'd NEVER seen in work before. Apparently after vaccination.
Why is that ALARMIST and not just FACTS that need to be looked at? ADDED to whatever info that shows "success" & "safety" anyone thinks the vax has.
add that info TO your positive assessment. Fine.

But why should we "be quiet" when the facts are STILL suppressed, and people are still in denial.
People still are talking about going back to mask and lockdowns.
Covid hasn't gone away but still the only OFFICIAL and universally allowed remedy are the vaxs.
And the question of what to do "NEXT TIME" is still on the table.
And the question the vaxs long term safety, injury & injury treatment are STILL in the air.

Folks can ignore the info if they like but I thank God for the medical pros & researchers who never shut up over this mess.
Even at the threat of loss of jobs, access to the major public outlets and even broken professional & personal relationships. after the OTHER SIDE stopped communicating.

So nope
I'm not going to be quiet.
sorry -not sorry-. I don't think anyone of us (on this "side") want to hurt anyones feelings or "rub it in".
From the beginning the motivation has been to inform and get informed of the facts available to HELP people.
So yea, I'm not shutting up yet. can't bask yet.
Once all available facts are treated AS such and not "conspiracy", or "hearsay", or "antidotal", or "fringe", or "alarmist", or "anti-sci/vax" or censored then maybe ill rest my gums... maybe.

We may not agree, which is fine.
Just know this whatever I say is coming a place of trying to get a fair hearing next time around
& trying to inform/help.
...cough-usually-cough


yes. all the deep stater sympathizer big pharma shills fuckd up big on this one.

and they're still doing it.

like you said.

We don't have to be polite about it.

these people have shown their true colors.

they need to promise to no try that totalitarian shit again, to even have a hope of forgiveness.

the people are awake.

[AHZ]

the silent majority's primal scream will reorder the world.

[fj1200]

the only anti-globalist on the ticket in fifty years.

Sorry, try again. I didn't see that on the campaign stickers.

[AHZ]

Sorry, try again. I didn't see that on the campaign stickers.


campaign stickers rarely carry a platform message.

[fj1200]

I appreciate you both here.
especially in the face of the amount or continued propaganda on the issue.

...
But FJ you backhandedly dismissed & belittled a LOT of hard evidence and refused to review honest information presented. just sayin'.
...

My post was objectively true. If I dismissed hard, actual, evidence then that's on me; and I've explained ad infinitum why I don't watch videos. I did dismiss a lot of dumb evidence some of which I spent time actually tracking down which is how I know that it was dumb evidence; if you don't recognize that there was some dumb evidence presented then you're not being honest.

[fj1200]

campaign stickers rarely carry a platform message.

So you get to read whatever you want into it. Gotcha, you're pretty much like everyone you show disdain for, and worse if truth be told because of the hypocrisy.

[AHZ]

My post was objectively true. If I dismissed hard, actual, evidence then that's on me; and I've explained ad infinitum why I don't watch videos. I did dismiss a lot of dumb evidence some of which I spent time actually tracking down which is how I know that it was dumb evidence; if you don't recognize that there was some dumb evidence presented then you're not being honest.


yes, mostly lies from government backed, big pharma controlled corrupt science liars.

[fj1200]

yes, mostly lies from government backed, big pharma controlled corrupt science liars.

It would be better for you to not comment when you have zero clue about what I've read and what I've posted.

[AHZ]

It would be better for you to not comment when you have zero clue about what I've read and what I've posted.


THeoretically true maybe, but your childish rantings a breeze to follow, actually.

[fj1200]

THeoretically true maybe, but your childish rantings a breeze to follow, actually.

Uh huh.

[AHZ]

Uh huh.
excellent rebuttal.:lol:

[fj1200]

excellent rebuttal.:lol:

Considering that you stupidly replied with "theoretically"...

[AHZ]

Considering that you stupidly replied with "theoretically"...
:blah:

[revelarts]

Video of Intensive Care nurses EVMS (Eastern Virginia Medical School) hospital/Norfolk Sentara talking about how a Vitamin & steroids based treatment created by the hospitals head of cardiology saved many patients from dying and shockingly sent them home well from the ICU.

the video was apparently done by the hospital.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1682413064203694081/pu/vid/480x270/FfpeX1ejoE2vJTmo.mp4?tag=12

the rest of the story is
As the Vaccines rolled out the hospital administrators BLOCKED the dr from using the treatment.
& finally Blocked him from even practicing at the Hospital.

This is the type of thing that Should NOT be Forgiven and MUST be talked about if we're more concerned about helping people rather whos feeling are hurt or who get bragging rights over what happened.

We're talking about people living or dying.

[revelarts]

As far as i know, no one on this board said anything like the headlines below but PLENTY of people off it had this opinion.

NO ONE should have EVER been on "the side" that promotes the headlines below.




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F16BbPkagAIqwMe?format=jpg&name=small

[Gunny]

As far as i know, no one on this board said anything like the headlines below but PLENTY of people off it had this opinion.

NO ONE should have EVER been on "the side" that promotes the headlines below.




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F16BbPkagAIqwMe?format=jpg&name=small
No one on this board stated anything like this because no reasonable person would. Even given the giant yellow streak that appeared up the back of the US's spine, stupid shit got traction because fear/fearmongering drives the train, especially when the MSM has the reins.

Fact is, I had never seen that kind of fear, even under fire in a combat zone. It's as if some just discovered the notion they could die and their heads exploded.

And we all, regardless our stances/beliefs on the topic were both prisoners and victims of the MSM while we were locked up in our own houses.

Bet money this stupid Pandemic Response Circus the government is creating at taxpayer expense will never get to the part where it addresses the above. They'll be too busy looking for a better way to lock us down. Because it worked so well this time :rolleyes:

[AHZ]

No one on this board stated anything like this because no reasonable person would. Even given the giant yellow streak that appeared up the back of the US's spine, stupid shit got traction because fear/fearmongering drives the train, especially when the MSM has the reins.

Fact is, I had never seen that kind of fear, even under fire in a combat zone. It's as if some just discovered the notion they could die and their heads exploded.

And we all, regardless our stances/beliefs on the topic were both prisoners and victims of the MSM while we were locked up in our own houses.

Bet money this stupid Pandemic Response Circus the government is creating at taxpayer expense will never get to the part where it addresses the above. They'll be too busy looking for a better way to lock us down. Because it worked so well this time :rolleyes:


it was even doctors, and intellectuals like noam chomsky.


some people were in favor of the victimization of all of us.

[fj1200]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F16BbPkagAIqwMe?format=jpg&name=small

Source of those quotes please.

[AHZ]

Source of those quotes please.
your historical revisionism won;t work.

this isnt rand mcnally.

[fj1200]

your historical revisionism won;t work.

this isnt rand mcnally.

I haven't revised anything.

[Gunny]

Source of those quotes please.


your historical revisionism won;t work.

this isnt rand mcnally.

Just because I'm a tad bored at the moment ...

Please DO explain the "science" behind how you get from FJ's request to your reply :rolleyes:

Is English your 3d language?

[revelarts]

Source of those quotes please.
hmm, Go to the Toronto star and find out.

here are a few more to look up.

Jimmy Kimmel Late night talk show host says: 'Rest in peace, Wheezy!':
Jimmy Kimmel takes jab at unvaccinated Americans, saying they should NOT get ICU beds in hospitals
Jimmy Kimmel returned to hosting his late-night television show on Tuesday, saying he does not think unvaccinated people should get ICU beds
He noted that over the Labor Day weekend the number of new COVID cases rose more than 300 percent from last year
Kimmel said vaccinated people should get ICU beds but, 'Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo? Rest in peace, wheezy!'
By ADRIANA DIAZ FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 8 September 2021


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F16SfZWXwAA_a0I?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1-eFS-XoAA46cv?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1_9OkbWEAA2QV9?format=png&name=small

I could do this all day.

[fj1200]

hmm, Go to the Toronto star and find out.

So you don't know and you don't care. Excellent. Since it appears to have been part of a larger piece that was actually going to discuss the "polarizing debate" I'm going to guess that it wasn't comments by the Canadian version of the CDC. You get to demonize based on a picture. It may not all be true but that doesn't matter, right?

[revelarts]

So you don't know and you don't care. Excellent. Since it appears to have been part of a larger piece that was actually going to discuss the "polarizing debate" I'm going to guess that it wasn't comments by the Canadian version of the CDC. You get to demonize based on a picture. It may not all be true but that doesn't matter, right?

I posted the Photo of the newspaper without any comment on who said it.
I never asked or implied that anyone should assume any specific person or org. ZERO.

So why are u claiming I was trying to demonized the the Canadian CDC exactly?

[SassyLady]

So you don't know and you don't care. Excellent. Since it appears to have been part of a larger piece that was actually going to discuss the "polarizing debate" I'm going to guess that it wasn't comments by the Canadian version of the CDC. You get to demonize based on a picture. It may not all be true but that doesn't matter, right?
So your stance is that none of these things were said?

[SassyLady]

Chad Prather

https://youtube.com/shorts/bNry1MWvd_g?feature=share

[AHZ]

Just because I'm a tad bored at the moment ...

Please DO explain the "science" behind how you get from FJ's request to your reply :rolleyes:

Is English your 3d language?


So your stance is that none of these things were said?



his stance is the moon is made of cheese and words don't mean things.

[AHZ]

Source of those quotes please.


lol.

demands for busy work. lol

[fj1200]

I posted the Photo of the newspaper without any comment on who said it.
I never asked or implied that anyone should assume any specific person or org. ZERO.

So why are u claiming I was trying to demonized the the Canadian CDC exactly?

The fact that you posted it is the editorial that you make. I haven't claimed anything about your opinion of the Candadian CDC.


So your stance is that none of these things were said?

You're getting your debating ideas from ahz now? That's not a compliment. Case in point. \/


his stance is the moon is made of cheese and words don't mean things.


lol.

demands for busy work. lol

Post questionable links and don't be surprised if I have a clarifying question or two.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My answer to this? PISS OFF!!!

I didn't get to say goodbye to loved ones who died alone and terrified. I didn't get to comfort scared family members who I will never see again and I will NOT be forgetting or forgiving for this one.

These people can just PISS RIGHT OFF!

Right you are my friend.
I did not get to see my wife unless I took the fake-ass covid shot. I refused. She spent the entire month of October in the hospital, I went 30 days without seeing my wife. And that while my wife was battling the leukemia cancer that killed her 4 months later. So I say they can all take a hike...--Tyr

[AHZ]

The fact that you posted it is the editorial that you make. I haven't claimed anything about your opinion of the Candadian CDC.



You're getting your debating ideas from ahz now? That's not a compliment. Case in point. \/





Post questionable links and don't be surprised if I have a clarifying question or two.

is it your position that these things weren't said?

asking your position is not a "dirty debate trick".

actually, demanding busy work be done without even having a position is a tricky and questionable move.

[revelarts]

So you don't know and you don't care. Excellent. Since it appears to have been part of a larger piece that was actually going to discuss the "polarizing debate" I'm going to guess that it wasn't comments by the Canadian version of the CDC. You get to demonize based on a picture. It may not all be true but that doesn't matter, right?


The fact that you posted it is the editorial that you make. I haven't claimed anything about your opinion of the Candadian CDC..
maybe i'm not reading your post correctly.

Someone brought up the Canadian CDC ...
So who was it that I'm not able to "demonize" then?
and What, exactly, is not "all true".
the newspaper shows a quote from some angry scumbag that wanted the unvaxed not to have health care.
the other article on the same page talked about Authorities firing the unvaxxed from jobs.
BOTH became fairly common themes.

Maybe you didn't hear/see them that often because you were vaccinated, always wore your mask and stayed lock-downed when told. So you didn't have to be concerned.
Govt leaders
We need to stop kowtowing to COVID-19 refuseniks
When it comes to the anti-vaxxers, I'm in Emmanuel Macron's corner. The French president is so frustrated with these “irresponsible” refuseniks that he just wants to “piss them off” by making their lives so complicated they’d prefer to get vaccinated.
I am sick of hearing about the rights of — or alleged abuses suffered by — the 35 million Americans who haven't gotten vaccinated against COVID-19. I'm more concerned about the dangers they pose to the more than 200 million who have been vaccinated.

...
[B]A US poll
— Fifty-eight percent (58%) of voters would oppose a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine. However, 55% of Democratic voters would support such a proposal, compared to just 19% of Republicans and 25% of unaffiliated voters.
– Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Such a proposal is opposed by 61% of all likely voters, including 79% of Republicans and 71% of unaffiliated voters.
– Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications. Only 27% of all voters – including just 14% of Republicans and 18% of unaffiliated voters – favor criminal punishment of vaccine critics.
– Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Such a policy would be opposed by a strong majority (71%) of all voters, with 78% of Republicans and 64% of unaffiliated voters saying they would Strongly Oppose putting the unvaccinated in “designated facilities.”
– While about two-thirds (66%) of likely voters would be against governments using digital devices to track unvaccinated people to ensure that they are quarantined or socially distancing from others, 47% of Democrats favor a government tracking program for those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine.
How far are Democrats willing to go in punishing the unvaccinated? Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine. That’s much more than twice the level of support in the rest of the electorate – seven percent (7%) of Republicans and 11% of unaffiliated voters – for such a policy.
......
....



JAMES CARVILLE wanted to punch the unvaxxed in the face
CARVILLE: I wish [what] they’d do is pass a law to make you immune from liability if you punch some unvaccinated person right in the face, is which I’d really like to do. If you ask me, you know, what’s my first reaction to you if you’re not vaccinated and you don’t have any medical reason not to be? You’re a piece of shit. Okay? I ought to just punch you right in the god-damned face. That’s the way I look at these people.
HUNT: Agreed.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/09/james-carville-wants-to-punch-unvaccinated-in-the-face-youre-a-piece-of-sht/


...

Medical Ethics Prof on CNN: ‘Penalize’ Unvaccinated Americans—Deny Them Affordable Health Insurance
NYU professor of bioethics Arthur Caplan, a guest on CNN Wednesday, said it is time to “shame” and “blame” unvaccinated Americans, adding that society should “penalize” them in a variety of ways, including higher hospital bills and insurance premiums.
“By and large, if you’re vaccinated and boosted, even if you get infected, you’re going to be fine. You’re going to be fine here. It’s the unvaccinated who are going to be hurt so why should anyone who is boosted bother at this point to do anything that makes the unvaccinated more safe?” CNN’s John Berman asked.....

Bottom line is a boat load of various Randos, Government officials and Corporations had a MAD-ON for the bad ol unvaccinated ...
And different folks put various levels of energy into talking about, thinking of -and acting on- ways to punish us.

Thankfully many people we're far more reasonable. And a lot of lies were finally exposed helping more people calm down.

But I'm not sure what you're trying to correct or "fact-check" FJ.
But if you're still not sure of some of the angry threatening sentiments from Officials, "Experts" & Karens i can post more.

https://media.giphy.com/media/NENOgw8mgH0NW/giphy.gif

[Gunny]

his stance is the moon is made of cheese and words don't mean things.Whatever fj's stance is, you can rest assured words DO mean things. Each and every one. If you weren't so busy spewing trash and insults and took the time to check out your opponent you might learn something.

As far as addressing whether or not "those things were said goes, of course they were. From BOTH extremes. I heard/saw just as much bullshit from anit-vaxxers stating people who got the vax deserved to die as the other way around. None of the extremists have clean hands. One side attempting to present a one-sided victim argument is intellectually dishonest.

Further, no one on this board from either side of the issue wished death on anyone else for the individual and personal decision concerning one's life that they made. That would have been/is unacceptable and would have been/will be stopped on a dime.

One of the biggest problems we have in this country this very moment is people not moving on. It's not 2020 anymore. There's no election re-do and the way Covid was handled by government, the MSM and individuals doesn't get one either.

I'll close this thread if y'all -- and I mean ALL -- can't quit being assholes to one another over something that is OBE.

[fj1200]

is it your position that these things weren't said?

asking your position is not a "dirty debate trick".

actually, demanding busy work be done without even having a position is a tricky and questionable move.

You ask dumb questions. Case in point; I never suggested that those things weren't said. It's the context in which things were said that is the point. A governmental authority wanting to put people in jail is far different than people ranting on twitter.

Do you know what people ranting on twitter are? Populists. You're a populist; self admitted right?


maybe i'm not reading your post correctly.

My point is debating with pictures is weak. And I really have no other point here than this.


The problem being that one side said a million things and the other side said a million things. Each side says the other side was wrong and their own side was right. Neither side admits when they were wrong at times and that the other side was right at times.

[AHZ]

Whatever fj's stance is, you can rest assured words DO mean things. Each and every one. If you weren't so busy spewing trash and insults and took the time to check out your opponent you might learn something.

As far as addressing whether or not "those things were said goes, of course they were. From BOTH extremes. I heard/saw just as much bullshit from anit-vaxxers stating people who got the vax deserved to die as the other way around. None of the extremists have clean hands. One side attempting to present a one-sided victim argument is intellectually dishonest.

Further, no one on this board from either side of the issue wished death on anyone else for the individual and personal decision concerning one's life that they made. That would have been/is unacceptable and would have been/will be stopped on a dime.

One of the biggest problems we have in this country this very moment is people not moving on. It's not 2020 anymore. There's no election re-do and the way Covid was handled by government, the MSM and individuals doesn't get one either.

I'll close this thread if y'all -- and I mean ALL -- can't quit being assholes to one another over something that is OBE.


The only extreme was the ones saying the non-vaxxed should be starved and fired and cast out of society.

your compulsive bothesidesism is wearing thin.

We will not move on and just forgive these totalitarians.

some people refuse to bend over. some people enjoy it.

it depends are you fundamentally are.

are you a bend-over boy?

[AHZ]

Bottom line: questioning authority is not extremism.

[Gunny]

The only extreme was the ones saying the non-vaxxed should be starved and fired and cast out of society.

your compulsive bothesidesism is wearing thin.

We will not move on and just forgive these totalitarians.

some people refuse to bend over. some people enjoy it.

it depends are you fundamentally are.

are you a bend-over boy?Your inability to see from both eyes is evidenced by your one-sided ranting. You and your mindset are part of the problem, not any solution.

[revelarts]

Whatever fj's stance is, you can rest assured words DO mean things. Each and every one. If you weren't so busy spewing trash and insults and took the time to check out your opponent you might learn something.

As far as addressing whether or not "those things were said goes, of course they were. From BOTH extremes. I heard/saw just as much bullshit from anit-vaxxers stating people who got the vax deserved to die as the other way around. None of the extremists have clean hands. One side attempting to present a one-sided victim argument is intellectually dishonest.

Further, no one on this board from either side of the issue wished death on anyone else for the individual and personal decision concerning one's life that they made. That would have been/is unacceptable and would have been/will be stopped on a dime.

One of the biggest problems we have in this country this very moment is people not moving on. It's not 2020 anymore. There's no election re-do and the way Covid was handled by government, the MSM and individuals doesn't get one either.

I'll close this thread if y'all -- and I mean ALL -- can't quit being assholes to one another over something that is OBE.

Gunny, I apologized to you for putting your name where it shouldn't have been.
And have made a point of saying no one on this board is had a part in saying the Crazier things said by via MSM, Experts, Officials, Gov'ts, and randos.

I've been pretty serious about keeping it civil here.
Since i gave you the courtesy, I'd appreciate not being included in the "ALL" A-hole category here.

All I'm trying to do is document some history.
Especially since i've noticed an up tick in denials that things like this were said or done. (Again NO ONE on this board) MSM, Randos, officials, "experts" seem to want to memory hole this stuff.
And want us all to forgive and forget.
while still promoting the vaxs,
still denying alt treatments
still promoting lock-downs
still promoting mask
still denying/supressing vaxs known & potential negative effects

I'm NOT trying to hurt anyones feeling here.
Were all Big boys and girls here.
And BTW I've taken more than a few very real insults on this board via threads that we never shut down.

I'll say this directly to you AHZ. a lot of your comments have been kinda petty. There's no need for it.
I get the frustration but how about we all be more Christian about how we talk to people.

[Gunny]

For those who wish to continue, the DP Troll Removal Service has tidied up :)

[fj1200]

A nice podcast from Glenn Loury with Jay Bhattacharya giving some COVID background, how to move forward, references the OP article, and more. All you Fauci and Collins haters will love it. :poke:


https://youtu.be/MH_yo-dGNh4

[SassyLady]

A nice podcast from Glenn Loury with Jay Bhattacharya giving some COVID background, how to move forward, references the OP article, and more. All you Fauci and Collins haters will love it. :poke:


https://youtu.be/MH_yo-dGNh4

Does your last statement mean you still respect them?

[fj1200]

Does your last statement mean you still respect them?

Did I or did I not before?

[SassyLady]

Did I or did I not before?
Remind me. I don't remember every word you've uttered.

[fj1200]

Remind me. I don't remember every word you've uttered.

I believe my comments were limited to I liked Collins' book.

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2KiDxNWoAIPCXb?format=jpg&name=small

[revelarts]

Dr. Joseph Mercola

@mercola
Chase bank has shut down our business bank accounts along with the accounts of my CEO and CFO, as well as their family members (including spouse and child). They've refused to provide any reason for doing so, the oldest account has been active for 18 years.

@mercola (https://twitter.com/mercola)
https://flvoicenews.com/retail-health-company-has-chase-accounts-suddenly-terminated-owner-critical-of-covid-vaccines-fda/

[Gunny]

Dr. Joseph Mercola

@mercola
Chase bank has shut down our business bank accounts along with the accounts of my CEO and CFO, as well as their family members (including spouse and child). They've refused to provide any reason for doing so, the oldest account has been active for 18 years.

@mercola (https://twitter.com/mercola)
https://flvoicenews.com/retail-health-company-has-chase-accounts-suddenly-terminated-owner-critical-of-covid-vaccines-fda/That's pretty extreme and completely uncalled for. I can't think of a single legitimate reason for a bank to meddle in someone personal affairs that have nothing do with their account. Especially given one can bank without getting out of bed using a cell.

Guy's got a good case in court if I'm sitting on the jury. Masked and vaccinated of course. Never know what jury scum might be carrying :laugh:

[Gunny]

Just to play the Good Humor guy, y'all do realize that if China rolled out another bio weapon on us today, no matter all the posturing and talk, this country would more than likely do the same damned thing or close facsimilie thereof all over again.

We have a mental block against learning from past mistakes.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Just to play the Good Humor guy, y'all do realize that if China rolled out another bio weapon on us today, no matter all the posturing and talk, this country would more than likely do the same damned thing or close facsimilie thereof all over again.

We have a mental block against learning from past mistakes.

Yes, you and I know it and they know it too. And sadly, that is why it will likely be done again. Question is when ???? ...-Tyr

[icansayit]

NOTICE: How all of the attention has become Hunter?
And whether Biden Should be Impeached?
Remember when the phrase "Never let a good crisis go to waste" was spoken?

While all of the CROOKS in Washington go on their merry way. The American
people are stuck with the SAME OLD, SAME OLD...voices being yelled into a
big, silver Garbage Can where the yelling just disappears, and the Wealthy
Politicians just keep on SPENDING, SPENDING, SPENDING...OUR MONEY.

[revelarts]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2TxJXbWIAE-svj?format=webp&name=small

[revelarts]

...double post

[Gunny]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2TxJXbWIAE-svj?format=webp&name=small

Was wondering why I don't recall hearing that and realized it wasn't that I hadn't heard it. It's that the few times I did it was from idiots I wouldn't trust to tell me the sky is blue. Case in point, your reference list.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Was wondering why I don't recall hearing that and realized it wasn't that I hadn't heard it. It's that the few times I did it was from idiots I wouldn't trust to tell me the sky is blue. Case in point, your reference list.

Those should be mugshots. eh???? --Tyr

[revelarts]

So for context
the writer of this threads featured article said...
then said


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2TkQD9XoAEc1L-?format=webp&name=small

[revelarts]

this is the kind of Crazy that people were getting paid to write.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2V1T1RXUAA8gn-?format=webp&name=small

[Gunny]

Full circle apparently. No need for anyone to grant amnesty to anyone, from either extreme. From the first person I/Me: I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks nor has to say about my decisions regarding COVID. Despite all the smoke thicker than COVID in the air, I based my decisions on personal circumstance/need.

My feelings haven't been hurt a bit by other peoples' heads exploding :)

The MSM sure seems to think it is all-fired important to keep the divide alive to divert attention from it's boy, Don Biden, and anything he and his cronies are doing to destroy the US. His COVID policies being part of it. Reason enough to watch what he's doing now and not chase butterflies.

[Kathianne]

Full circle apparently. No need for anyone to grant amnesty to anyone, from either extreme. From the first person I/Me: I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks nor has to say about my decisions regarding COVID. Despite all the smoke thicker than COVID in the air, I based my decisions on personal circumstance/need.

My feelings haven't been hurt a bit by other peoples' heads exploding :)

The MSM sure seems to think it is all-fired important to keep the divide alive to divert attention from it's boy, Don Biden, and anything he and his cronies are doing to destroy the US. His COVID policies being part of it. Reason enough to watch what he's doing now and not chase butterflies.

I don't know if we're not part of the vast majority today? My personal feelings are that while the government did its best to incentivize big pharma to rush development of vaccine, it did so with seemed to be dire circumstances. (what was happening in Italy, then Washington State, NYC, etc). BINGO, they did. Certainly doubts existed. I wasn't rushing for first shot.

I got 1, then 2nd about 10 months later. Second with even more trepidation, was already concerned about push to get to those 'low risk.'

Over time, seemed good intentions gone awry to make $$$ for pharma.

Still, I'm left with being not anti-vax, but anti-rushed vaxes.

Still not my biggest concern and I'm not getting anymore covid tests, vax, etc. For me, Covid has joined flu, etc. There, but I'm not going nuts over them.

[revelarts]

I don't know if we're not part of the vast majority today? My personal feelings are that while the government did its best to incentivize big pharma to rush development of vaccine, it did so with seemed to be dire circumstances. (what was happening in Italy, then Washington State, NYC, etc). BINGO, they did. Certainly doubts existed. I wasn't rushing for first shot.

I got 1, then 2nd about 10 months later. Second with even more trepidation, was already concerned about push to get to those 'low risk.'

Over time, seemed good intentions gone awry to make $$$ for pharma.

Still, I'm left with being not anti-vax, but anti-rushed vaxes.

Still not my biggest concern and I'm not getting anymore covid tests, vax, etc. For me, Covid has joined flu, etc. There, but I'm not going nuts over them.


Everyone over 10 years old will have a sightly different opinion on every issue.

At this point my main hopes are that even if people still want to vax themselves that
1. they see that gov't & big pharma have lied to them repeatedly and they need be cautious about 'official' medical actions & pronouncements
2. that people see that the gov't, big pharma, MSM & social media all tried to shut people up who had valid scientific and legal concerns and that should not happen again.
3. that people should be free to take or not take practically any treatment they or their family want.
4. that mandates and lockdowns are counterproductive & unconstitutional BS.

If those 4 point become "mainstream" I'd consider it a huge win. But I don't think most people are there.

I'd like the mainstream to go much further, into hard core investigations, prosecutions. A medical bill of rights amendment, and most importantly OPEN research into the origins, , OPEN research into & exposure of all the remedies available, and OPEN research into help for the vaccine injured ... all paid for by big pharma.
Why shouldnt the gov't pay? because all big pharma had to do was be honest and say something like "We've got this new experimental SHOT but we can't guarantee it's going to do JACk. And can't say it won't eventually kill you." but no, they said
"it's 100% effective and it will stop transmission and it's safe. That was the core lie.
...
Well I guess the "natural origin" lie was gov't backed and -Covid19 was created with U.S. gov't funds-
And the mask lies were also gov't backed,
Also the lockdown lies & effects were also all gov't,
so yes maybe the gov't does need to pay hard as well.
---but somehow people are more upset with antivaxers than gov't or big pharma?. And want us to "shut up?? how does that work?---


look, everyone has their own path.
I told my family NOT to take any of the vaxs, and they all made their own decisions.
I just wish we all could be as objective as possible about what happened. About the science, the risk & defend real personal medical freedom & freedom of speech.

[revelarts]

City pays $300K in settlement after arresting Christians for singing hymns during COVID-19 lockdowns
https://cdn.christianpost.com/images/cache/image/14/02/140201_w_760_376.webp

In a legal resolution that echoes the tense confrontations over draconian restrictions on the faith community in parts of the United States during the COVID-19 lockdowns, a city in Idaho has agreed to a settlement of $300,000 following the arrest of Christians who were singing hymns outdoors as a form of protest.

The lawsuit was filed by Gabriel Rench and Sean and Rachel Bohnet against the city of Moscow, Idaho, and several of its employees in response to a gathering that took place at City Hall in September 2020.

The Idaho Counties Risk Management Program, the city’s liability insurance provider, determined that a financial settlement was the best way to resolve the suit and avoid lengthy litigation.

Under the terms of the agreement, the ICRMP will pay $300,000, and all claims against the city and the employees named in the lawsuit will be dismissed, along with a release of all liability, as stated in a July 14 press release by the city of Moscow.

Rench was awarded the settlement for violations of their constitutional rights. The settlement was signed by the city's supervisor Gary Riedner, city attorneys Mia Bautista and Elizabeth Warner, Moscow Chief of Police James Fry, and city employees Will Krasselt, Megan Vincello, and Jake Lee, according to a statement by Rench.

Rench, who came to Moscow in 2002 to attend the University of Idaho, voiced his relief at the resolution while expressing concern over the cost to city taxpayers. “I am glad this shameful saga is over, but unfortunately at a high cost to the city taxpayers. I estimate that the city spent about $500,000 of city resources on this fight, including the mediated settlement,” he said.

Rench further accused the city of Moscow and a “liberal cult” of consistent religious discrimination against his church and members of the Christian community. He criticized the city’s response to the ongoing issue of Stickergate, an incident involving high school students protesting his arrest by posting free speech stickers on city poles. He claimed these students were singled out and charged with misdemeanors while others committing similar actions went unpunished.

The settlement follows the arrests that occurred at a “Psalm sing” protest in the City Hall parking lot on Sept. 23, 2020. The protest, organized by Christ Church where Rench was a deacon, attracted nationwide attention, even reaching the Twitter feed of then-President Trump.

....

https://www.christianpost.com/news/city-to-pay-300k-for-arresting-hymn-singers-amid-covid-lockdowns.html

[revelarts]

Another case
Christians prohibited from gathering outside social distanced in mask.
while Mayor went to protest with thousands of people.
http://youtube.com/shorts/OCMURegEzIM?feature=share

[Gunny]

When people's heads are stuck in trying to change the past, they can never change the future because they can't see the present. Just sayin:smoke:

[SassyLady]

When people's heads are stuck in trying to change the past, they can never change the future because they can't see the present. Just sayin:smoke:
Some people ignore history and continue to make same mistake. It's ethical to bring up the past to deter making same mistake.

Showing people how tyrannical the government was during the plandemic hopefully will open their eyes to not allow it to happen again.

[icansayit]

If the people are informed. They threaten the CROOKED Politicians.
So they DO NOT WANT THE PEOPLE TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE...AT ALL.


https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/g/georgesantayana/101521/georgesantayana1-2x.jpg

[revelarts]

why is it that some things in history are supposed to be selectively forgotten or ignored and others are "never" to be forgotten and things put in place to memorialize and to make sure "never again"?


When people's heads are stuck in trying to change the past, they can never change the future because they can't see the present. Just sayin:smoke:


the present.

one mom's experience.
(June 12 2023)
Today marks a year since Aiden woke me up at 4:30 am complaining of chest pain and pain with inspiration.
He was 14.
It was severe enough to wake him up from sleep.
This was 2 days following his second Pfizer COVID vaccine....
...The attending cardiologist ordered a battery of tests. All signs pointed to the vaccine being the cause.
She consulted with the CDC and his official diagnosis was “post-COVID vaccine myocarditis.” ...
...By the 3 day it plateaued and began to drop.
He was able to go home on day 4 on essential bed rest until cardiology follow up. ...
The enormity of the situation hit me when the shock wore off.
When we got home, he had intermittent chest pain.
Both my husband and I have since confessed to each other that we were worried that he wouldn’t wake up one morning...
...At his cardiology follow up, he was restricted more from physical activity including PE (freshman year of high school) or even playing with his friends outside.
He first had to be cleared after rest and a cardiopulmonary stress test.
That took 4 months of inactivity....
...It was still abnormal likely due to lack of conditioning (low stroke volume and VO2)
We also had to see a pulmonologist for similar reasons based on the results.
There have been so many bumps in the road along this journey that I couldn’t possibly list them all.

...So here we are a year later and I think it’s important to reflect.

...Most importantly, he is doing very well. He is not expected to have any long term damage based on imaging and the course of his Acute phase. Also, mentally, he has handled this like a champ.
Wayyyyy better than me...

...I have also seen A LOT of ugly. I’m sad to say the bulk of it has come from the Twitter medical community. I find it beyond hypocritical to support a vaccine and deny the existence of the vaccine injured especially with clear causation....

....I also believed “we were all in this together”.
Then the bills started rolling in and I realized that we are in fact alone.
There has been zero paid to date to compensate COVID vaccine injuries and they are expensive....



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVC7ET9WUAEtFmI?format=webp&name=360x360 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVEBxVnXwAEs3sg?format=webp&name=360x360

This mom is blessed, her son is still alive and back on his feet.
So, nope, sorry, people are not going to forget or stop talking about it.
Especially since
• they aren't compensating victims TODAY or in the FUTURE partly because they don't want to LOOK at (are covering up/lying about) the PAST.
• they are still recommending shots TODAY. Some schools (k-college) are demanding that children take the shots.
• a lot of the medical community is still in denial about the past TODAY.
• and many people TODAY still have no clue what or how much damage the shots and other official "recommendations" harmed everyone and our liberties TODAY or in the Future.

It's very Hard (impossible) to fix of problems if you ignore the sources.

[revelarts]

CDC Altered Minnesota Death Certificates that List a Covid Vaccine as a Cause of Death
Someone (who needs to remain anonymous) was able to obtain the death certificates from Minnesota for all deaths that occurred from 2015 to the present, which presented the opportunity to see if the CDC is being entirely honest about the US death data. Unsurprisingly, the CDC is not.

As we shall document, the CDC is concealing references to a covid vaccine on Minnesota death certificates (that are exceedingly rare to begin with because of widespread medical establishment denialism of vaccine adverse side effects). In almost every death certificate that identifies a covid vaccine as a cause of death, the CDC committed data fraud by not assigning the ICD 10 code for vaccine side effects to the causes of death listed on the death certificate....

https://brownstone.org/articles/cdc-altered-death-certificates/


nearly every C19 'conspiracy' turns out to be true.

What should be done:
Hard core investigations exposing the Pharma & Gov't cover ups, lies, fraud, criminal malfeasance etc.
Prosecutions.
Compensation for the vx injured and families of the deceased.
A medical bill of rights amendment
OPEN research into the origins of C19
OPEN research into & promotion of all the remedies available for C19. (preferable equal to the level of vx promo)
and OPEN research into medical help for the vx injured
... all paid for by big pharma and the govt(s)

[SassyLady]

Rand Paul is so disgusted with the DOJ that's he's asking local DA to bring charges against Fauci. However, he predicts the corruption in DC is such that nothing will be done.