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SassyLady
10-01-2022, 10:24 AM
Short history lesson from a different perspective of the Russian/Ukraine War.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-four-oblasts-join-russia.html#more
Evmetro
10-01-2022, 08:35 PM
Short history lesson from a different perspective of the Russian/Ukraine War.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-four-oblasts-join-russia.html#more

Can't get the link to work, but I love history lessons.
SassyLady
10-01-2022, 09:19 PM
Can't get the link to work, but I love history lessons.

I can't get it to work now either. The owner, Billmon, (used to post at DailyKos) had a blog called Whiskey Bar. This new one, Moon of Alabama, seems to be having issues since the analysis of the origins of the war was posted.

Hmmmm.....
Evmetro
10-01-2022, 09:26 PM
I can't get it to work now either. The owner, Billmon, (used to post at DailyKos) had a blog called Whiskey Bar. This new one, Moon of Alabama, seems to be having issues since the analysis of the origins of the war was posted.

Hmmmm.....

Bummer.

I have a lot of history on DailyKos. Not exactly my political bias, but essential in studying the entire range of political news and propaganda.
SassyLady
10-04-2022, 08:51 PM
Evmetro

Link working now
Evmetro
10-07-2022, 07:16 PM
Evmetro

Link working now

Thanks. I opened it when you alerted me that it was working, but it sat in a tab till 10 minutes ago. Great information. Finally got some time!
Gunny
10-08-2022, 12:28 PM
Short history lesson from a different perspective of the Russian/Ukraine War.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-four-oblasts-join-russia.html#moreThat is one, seriously skewed, one-sided version of (not) history.

The Rus existed in what is now Ukraine and Belarus when what is now Russia was the land of the original Bulgars. Novgorod was the only Rus city state that existed at all during the Mongol reign. Moscow was burnt to the ground. Novgorod was spared because it was smart enough to just surrender to the Mongols, given the fact the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was on its back door with a convert or die to latin Christianity message. The Mongols didn't care who they worshipped nor how they ran their internal affairs so long as they paid up.

Ivan the Terrible invaded and subjugated Novgorod and incorporated it into Russia. Ivan was a Muscovite who were as much Mongol as anything else. The Rus are of Fin/Swede/Slavic/Norwegian origin. They are two distinct ethnicities.

On a good day (meaning before Putin picked up where Stalin left off in the ethnic cleansing and rusification of Ukraine), and argument could be made that those parts of Ukraine closest to Russia are more Russian than Ukrainian. They've had ample time to move.

How'd that work out in the US, btw, when half the country didn't want to be part of the US?

Soviet Russia recognized Ukrainian independence (such that it was) in 1923. Kruschev ceded Crimea to Ukraine in the 50s. Ukrainian independence was recognized by Russia in 1993. End of that story.

Russia doesn't get to cherry pick actual history and fact anymore than the author of this article does. While I realize the main goal is to confuse the issue, it's a lie.

As far as whatever anyone in this country thinks of Ukraine's corruptness or whatever, I'm more than willing to accept that accusation/scrutiny just as soon as our shit don't stink here. Otherwise it's pot n kettle. If Ukraine is modeled after the West/Europe/US, no doubt there's corruption at every level. That's how we roll.

They damned sure didn't learn to "fight" from the West. They haven't surrendered.