Real ID / Passport

[jimnyc]

Just a reminder to folks, if you plan to travel not only out of the country, but even fly outside your own state - then starting next year sometime you will need either a passport (even for domestic) or a Real ID drivers license.

That is all.

[fj1200]

That's been true for several years hasn't it? Somehow it keeps getting pushed back.

[jimnyc]

That's been true for several years hasn't it? Somehow it keeps getting pushed back.

Yups, was actually supposed to have started like 2 years ago, no? Covid and slow moving DMV got in the way.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yups, was actually supposed to have started like 2 years ago, no? Covid and slow moving DMV got in the way.
We seem to be heading towards our own Gestapo force, spearheaded by the dems.
They will do anything to gain complete control over us.
Corrupt, powermad and wickedly evil with no scruples and idiot Americans(educated to be "stooopidddd"), just keep on voting the guilty, arrogant, totally corrupt, filthy vermin into office.-- :saluting2:
I hope that those blithering morons will enjoy the chains that some future day will shackle them as well.-Tyr

[revelarts]

That's been true for several years hasn't it? Somehow it keeps getting pushed back.

FJ, Somehow when i read what you say here.....And frankly in other replies to news like this.
What I get from it something like,
oh well, the trains to the camps were suppose to be here last year sometime, i'm not sure why it's taking them so long, ho hum, this is old news.

in other places you're simply in denial but too often you make noises as if it's "inevitable" or the loss of freedom's and the fall into debauchery are no big deal... or good for big biz.

[hjmick]

We seem to be heading towards our own Gestapo force, spearheaded by the dems.
They will do anything to gain complete control over us.
Corrupt, powermad and wickedly evil with no scruples and idiot Americans(educated to be "stooopidddd"), just keep on voting the guilty, arrogant, totally corrupt, filthy vermin into office.-- :saluting2:
I hope that those blithering morons will enjoy the chains that some future day will shackle them as well.-Tyr


The Republicans are just as much to blame for Real ID as the Democrats, perhaps more so since it was Bush who signed into law the bills that gave us DHS and Real ID...

[fj1200]

FJ, Somehow when i read what you say here.....And frankly in other replies to news like this.
What I get from it something like,
oh well, the trains to the camps were suppose to be here last year sometime, i'm not sure why it's taking them so long, ho hum, this is old news.

in other places you're simply in denial but too often you make noises as if it's "inevitable" or the loss of freedom's and the fall into debauchery are no big deal... or good for big biz.

Clearly I can't stop you from reading into my posts what you prefer to read into my posts. I was merely stating a fact that I believe this was supposed to be rolled out in 2016??? but keeps getting pushed back. I wasn't aware that this particular bit of government encroachment fell under the "mark of the beast" type of outrage I should be railing against.

But overall I don't recall this being a loss of freedom and debauchery. More of something along the line of unfunded mandates. But either way I don't see this as akin to the Nazi propaganda presented to the Jews in the '30s that promised nice neighborhoods and healthcare to future victims. If you do then I'd be happy to read a post or two.

[fj1200]

The Republicans are just as much to blame for Real ID as the Democrats, perhaps more so since it was Bush who signed into law the bills that gave us DHS and Real ID...

I say no to you good sir. :slap: Clearly Dems and Globalists.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The Republicans are just as much to blame for Real ID as the Democrats, perhaps more so since it was Bush who signed into law the bills that gave us DHS and Real ID...

Well point made but- hobbling the horse is no way near as bad as shooting it, stealing the saddle and knifing the owner when caught.\
I was not a huge fan of Bush..--Tyr

[revelarts]

The Republicans are just as much to blame for Real ID as the Democrats, perhaps more so since it was Bush who signed into law the bills that gave us DHS and Real ID...

You must be some kind of "LIBERAL"?!
:rolleyes:

But Seriously, Bush/Chenney rolled in a LOT of unconstitutional BS,
REAL ID is just 1 of the items.

[revelarts]

Clearly I can't stop you from reading into my posts what you prefer to read into my posts. I was merely stating a fact that I believe this was supposed to be rolled out in 2016??? but keeps getting pushed back. I wasn't aware that this particular bit of government encroachment fell under the "mark of the beast" type of outrage I should be railing against.

But overall I don't recall this being a loss of freedom and debauchery. More of something along the line of unfunded mandates. But either way I don't see this as akin to the Nazi propaganda presented to the Jews in the '30s that promised nice neighborhoods and healthcare to future victims. If you do then I'd be happy to read a post or two.

I'd be happy to read a post or two where you rail against any particular bit of government encroachment.
Could you link me to some in your past post?
I'm sure there are some, I just don't recall any.

AH, I do you remember 1 thing,
you were one of the few here who was VERY solidly against the unconstitutional kidnapping, jailing & torture programs the Bush regime brought in.
I apologize.

[fj1200]

I'd be happy to read a post or two where you rail against any particular bit of government encroachment.
Could you link me to some in your past post?
I'm sure there are some, I just don't recall any.

AH, I do you remember 1 thing,
you were one of the few here who was VERY solidly against the unconstitutional kidnapping, jailing & torture programs the Bush regime brought in.
I apologize.

There are plenty but I tend not to "rail." More of a measured, logical approach to avoid looking the crazy.

[SassyLady]

There are plenty but I tend not to "rail." More of a measured, logical approach to avoid looking the crazy.
More like apathetic.

Let everyone else post something that concerns them so you can come in and deconstruct. Makes you feel superior I suppose

[jimnyc]

Yikes, was just a reminder! :laugh:

Feelings aside, until something changes, please don't forget the options you have.

May 3, 2023 is the date as of now.

[fj1200]

More like apathetic.

Let everyone else post something that concerns them so you can come in and deconstruct. Makes you feel superior I suppose

Think what you like but I made a conscious decision long ago. And what is easily deconstructible should be decosntructed.

[hjmick]

Yikes, was just a reminder! :laugh:

Feelings aside, until something changes, please don't forget the options you have.

May 3, 2023 is the date as of now.


SEE WHAT YOU STARTED?!


Damn troublemaker...

[hjmick]

You must be some kind of "LIBERAL"?!
:rolleyes:

But Seriously, Bush/Chenney rolled in a LOT of unconstitutional BS,
REAL ID is just 1 of the items.


From day one I maintained that there was nothing patriotic about the Patriot Act, and it has just gotten worse since then...

[jimnyc]

I was thinking more about this earlier and was going to post my original thoughts, which was that I really didn't see much of an issue here relating to solely the ID.

I figured you were basically going to have your same ID verified again and then simply being issued another drivers license, only that this one will have a star in the upper right hand corner when issue to signify you have the new ID. Almost the same process one goes through when getting a license.

But I thought much more about it on memory of all the readings I did in the past - but then more importantly I did some searching. I can see now why this can be an issue to many.

The new picture taken is apparently done with facial recognition
The SS card and birth certificate scanned digitally to some record
One does have the right to opt out, but then lose their ability to travel on a plane, even domestically. And cannot enter federal buildings and such.

I didn't make up the title of this article.

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REAL ID is a privacy-eroding overreach by the federal government

In 2005, the United States Congress passed the REAL ID Act, with the purpose of establishing “minimum security standards for license issuance.” The Act was recommended by the 9/11 Commission and set standards for states to issue state IDs or driver’s licenses to their residents. The state of Maine was initially opposed to the idea of complying with the REAL ID Act. In response, the state legislature passed LD 1138 to prevent Maine from complying with the REAL ID Act in 2007, primarily due to concerns about it being an overreach by the federal government.

This sentiment wasn’t unique to Maine; only 23 states and the District of Columbia were compliant with the REAL ID Act in 2016. Since then, most states have succumbed to the pressure from the federal government. According to the Department of Homeland Security’s website, only five states still have extension waivers. State waivers can no longer be renewed starting in 2020.

Maine overturned LD 1138 in 2017, when legislators directed the Secretary of State to implement REAL ID by 2019. Sure enough, the Secretary of State made REAL IDs available to the public on July 1, 2019. This begs the question: Why was Maine reluctant to comply with the REAL ID Act, and is it an overreach by the federal government?

First and foremost, lawmakers were concerned that the REAL ID Act would facilitate a national ID, otherwise known as an internal passport. In addition, the standards set forth in the REAL ID Act requires individuals to have their photograph taken with facial recognition technology as well as have their social security card and birth certificate scanned to a digital record.

The concerns about the REAL ID Act turning into an internal passport have become a reality. While an individual has the freedom to opt-out of obtaining a REAL ID, the consequences of doing so make it impossible to travel or enter a federal facility using only a driver’s license or state ID. For example, if a Maine resident does not obtain a REAL ID by October 1, 2020, they will not be able to fly on a federally regulated commercial aircraft. In other words, don’t plan on flying to Disney World without a REAL ID or a passport.

Lawmakers and the governor were fearful that non-compliance would significantly impact Mainers if state government did not act. In this scenario, states either had to conform to the federal government’s demands or its citizens would suffer the consequences put forth by the federal government.

In addition, federal government agencies have utilized state databases to obtain information to assist in their investigations. According to a report from the US Government Accountability Office, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has access to facial recognition databases in 21 states containing more than 641 million photographs. This has resulted in the FBI conducting 390,186 searches at the time of the report. Giving the federal government unlimited access to this information is the antithesis of federalism and violates the privacy of state residents, especially when searches are conducted without their knowledge.

The worst part? The Department of Homeland Security can amend their rules anytime to include more burdensome information. In his testimony on LD 306, Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap noted that this “required” information could eventually become more personal, such as a thumbprint or iris scan. Another relevant portion of his testimony recalled moments in history in which information had been abused by the federal government:

“What sets us apart as a nation is that we are, ostensibly, free of government surveillance; that we can travel unimpeded, engage in our business, and speak our minds without fear of that midnight knock on our doors. Our history of abrogations of that freedom is checkered enough; the FBI investigations of clergy opposed to the Vietnam War, the constant surveillance of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other leaders of the civil rights movement, and even tracking the movements of Hollywood actors who were thought to be engaged in discussions with suspected Communists are enough to remind us to be vigilant in the protection of our rights as American citizens.”

Thankfully, Secretary Dunlap has refused to give the federal government unlimited access to Maine’s databases saying, “Maine residents don’t have much to worry about. We don’t allow wholesale access to our databases.” Federal agencies will need to make a request to Dunlap’s office and will either be approved or denied based on the criteria and rationale of their request. Thus, Mainers’ data is not available for the FBI or any other federal agency for the purposes of conducting a mass search.

In sum, your data may be protected from the federal government for the moment, but you will need either a passport or REAL ID to travel on commercial aircraft starting in October 2020, which will undoubtedly cause burden for some individuals. Congress should reconsider the merits of the REAL ID Act and pursue other avenues of providing security that do not infringe upon the rights of states or individuals.

https://www.themainewire.com/2019/07/real-id-is-a-privacy-eroding-overreach-by-the-federal-government/