Jesus is Lord and Savior

[JakeStarkey]

www.theimmigrationcoalition.com


I don't know what Jesus looked like but, interestingly, "A Dutch photographer used artificial intelligence to construct a portrait of Jesus based on what we know about his ethnicity and culture. This is what he looks like. As we’ve said, we worship a Middle Eastern man of color named Jesus who spoke zero English, died on the cross for our sin and resurrected from the dead, and was once an Immigrant child fleeing persecution. He’s not American. He doesn’t have blue or green eyes. He’s not a Republican or Democrat. He’s not a donkey or elephant. He’s the lion and the lamb"

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/118715119_2660426837543924_5036794382254169818_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=gVgMT7cMfUEAX9LZK7m&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=e3a7d4239bfa78a16e31cdd89ed586bf&oe=617B4231

[darin]

I've never met a christian who cares about the points you are making.

[JakeStarkey]

Tells us about you, does it not?

[Abbey Marie]

This is the actor who plays Jesus in the series “The Chosen”. I think he looks quite appropriate.

Btw, great show.

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[Mr. P]

This is the actor who plays Jesus in the series “The Chosen”. I think he looks quite appropriate.

Btw, great show.

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Fantastic show!

[darin]

Tells us about you, does it not?


that makes no sense. It “tells you about me” that no christian i have met gives a shit about jesus not being white (every Christian knows that) nor about his language, etc?

[Juicer66]

. He’s not a donkey or elephant. He’s the lion and the lamb"


Try English next time, Jane .

Those two sentences are devoid of any shared meaning let alone relevance to the subject .

Fifth rate attempted metaphors do not provide accuracy, information and therefore good communication .

Weirdly you are hinting that like the Lion , Jesus hunted only at night . Why ? Isn't he supposed to be super vigilant ?

Also , there are no areas where there are both lions and lambs other than in terms of Rugby Football . Lions would have had to cross continents to taste a decent lamb cutlet .

And he would have needed to come to Great Britain in order to play Rugby and qualify as a Lion . Have you evidence he did and which position did he excel at ?

You are a real Buffoon .

[JakeStarkey]

that makes no sense. It “tells you about me” that no christian i have met gives a shit about jesus not being white (every Christian knows that) nor about his language, etc?
Makes all the sense in the world. He is concerned about me instead of his Savior. It's a beautiful image and may or may not be correct, yet he wants to make it about me. His guilty may be itching him. And it is not about you, either. And, yes, many and many Christians are interested in this matter. That you guys are not is meaningless.

[darin]

Makes all the sense in the world. He is concerned about me instead of his Savior. It's a beautiful image and may or may not be correct, yet he wants to make it about me. His guilty may be itching him. And it is not about you, either. And, yes, many and many Christians are interested in this matter. That you guys are not is meaningless.


NO christians care about what language Jesus spoke. NO christians truly care where he was born nor his skin color. You are a passive-aggressive victimophile.

[Black Diamond]

NO christians care about what language Jesus spoke. NO christians truly care where he was born nor his skin color. You are a passive-aggressive victimophile.

Well. It really got bad when liberal pastors started saying how Jesus was brown just like the illegal aliens at the border.

[Black Diamond]

NO christians care about what language Jesus spoke. NO christians truly care where he was born nor his skin color. You are a passive-aggressive victimophile.

Oh and I am going to use that term. I love it.

[JakeStarkey]

"a passive-aggressive victimophile" does describe Darin, Tyr, icansayit, and some other witless far right and elsewhere.

[darin]

"a passive-aggressive victimophile" does describe Darin, Tyr, icansayit, and some other witless far right and elsewhere.


Your reply translates as "No, YOU ARE!"

We are trying to teach you to not be a twit, but you're absolutely incorrigible.

[Juicer66]

Let Jane ramble .

Just one common side side effect that the double jabbed show .

Ironic that the Brain Fog which envelops so many of the doomed Vaxxers is best and consistently shown by the old dodderer Sleepy .Or is it character actor Arthur Roberts ?

[Black Diamond]

Let Jane ramble .

Just one common side side effect that the double jabbed show .

Ironic that the Brain Fog which envelops so many of the doomed Vaxxers is best and consistently shown by the old dodderer Sleepy .Or is it character actor Arthur Roberts ?

Maybe the two of you should get together for a little love fest. Opposites attract, no?

[revelarts]

"A Dutch photographer used artificial intelligence to construct a portrait of Jesus based on what we know about his ethnicity and culture. This is what he looks like. As we’ve said, we worship a Middle Eastern man of color named Jesus who spoke zero English, died on the cross for our sin and resurrected from the dead, and was once an Immigrant child fleeing persecution. He’s not American. He doesn’t have blue or green eyes. He’s not a Republican or Democrat. He’s not a donkey or elephant. He’s the lion and the lamb"

It's true.

And sadly, I have met some Christians and Non-Christians that do care. Many I haven't met but have read about in history and current culture.

When my sister in law was in high school she did house worked for an elderly white woman. Both were Christians. One day, after the woman got to know my sister-in-law, the woman said to her. "When you get to heaven you'll be white like me." Saying it in a tone that held nothing but kindness.
Obviously she understood that everyone in heaven, including Jesus was white.
She did care. And clearly thought it was BETTER to be white than black. And God would make that happen for this poor lil black girl that was working for her.

So, did my sister-in-law run into the only or the last Christian white person in America to think like that in the past 40 years?
The only one who thinks that Jesus and the disciples were blond and blue eye white folks ... or even Aryans?

But I guess a case could be made that "no real Christian" cares... TODAY. But historically (40 years ago and going back thousand odd years) and in recent history MANY Christians have cared, and pushed the idea of a Jesus being white for various reasons and by various means.

Today even there's no doubt that many Nazis Neo-Nazis and various White suprematist still claim Jesus was white. Some of them even claim the Egyptians were white.

But yes, saying we shouldn't care what race Jesus is is exactly right.
But saying that NO ONE cares is false.
The fact that Jesus's "race" leans heavy toward brown is, in fact, a blow to some folks BS racial pride. And for others it a BS source of racial pride.
Neither sentiment is "Christian".

Fact is, more than few Christians, of ALL races, still have to overcome various levels of sinful ideas and feeling about other "races". And learn to REALLY see everyone as brothers and sisters, FAMILY. ALL Made in the image of God. (which means God is mixed race or maybe race doesn't matter concerning his image.)

Race is a BS issue that's really a waste of time, but somehow we really have difficulty with it.

[JakeStarkey]

One sectarian example (there are more than these) is that many of my Mormon friends still think blacks should not hold their priesthood, and that blacks will be lifted up in a second resurrection to serve whites in heaven.

Many still believe that indigenous peoples will become 'white and delightsome' after the Second Coming.

Yes, many so-called Christians do care about the color of our Lord and Savior, and they and their congregations should be avoided whenever possible. We can tell that some on this forum think like these so-called Christians.

[Abbey Marie]

A thread apparently intended to
1. attack whites
2. attack Christians
3. divide Christians

I have been to services for several different denominations (and non-denominations) for decades, and have never heard anyone express these kinds of sentiments. Nor even imply them. Either some of you hang around some twisted and broken (fake) Christians, or this is just anecdotal, or it’s entirely BS. Any which way, bad stuff.

Exactly nothing in the OP fulfills Jesus’ hopes and plans for us. You must be very proud, Jake.

[Mika-El]

A thread apparently intended to
1. attack whites
2. attack Christians
3. divide Christians

I have been to services for several different denominations (and non-denominations) for decades, and have never heard anyone express these kinds of sentiments. Nor even imply them. Either some of you hang around some twisted and broken (fake) Christians, or this is just anecdotal, or it’s entirely BS. Any which way, bad stuff.

Exactly nothing in the OP fulfills Jesus’ hopes and plans for us. You must be very proud, Jake.

Oh come on. This is a discussion forum. The sole point was to raise an issue that has been discussed many a time and that is the institutionalized racist assumptions in Christianity. Its not meant to attack whites, Christians or divide anyone. Its simply a point made to people who use religion to justify thinking they are superior to others.Hey I am Jewish I did not assume the article was presumptuous saying "we" believe in Jesus.

You need to ease up just a tad. If anything you are causing the division.

Lol ease up. If there was a Jesus he's probably not what anyone imagines he was anyways.We are relying on many times removed stories from the actual events complete with the editorials, biases, censorship of the writers of the New Testament acting under the orders of King Constantine to merge pagan and Christian beliefs to avoid a civil war and create an institution (confession) so he could keep on eye on what people were thinking.

Geez just translating Armaic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin back and for the would have distorted half the words/.Then throw in the political biases and agenda of the writers being instructed by Constantine and you get quite a hybrid of confusing stories.

I myself always found it somewhat amusing seeing Jesus depicted as a blonde haired, blue eyed Aryan. I am sure he had a big hook nose and flared large nostrils and looked like a camel. So what.Come on people who have beards and sandals are crazy who think Bernie Saunders is the Messiah or even worse Donald Trump. Did you see those guys on Capital hill?

[Abbey Marie]

Oh come on. This is a discussion forum. The sole point was to raise an issue that has been discussed many a time and that is the institutionalized racist assumptions in Christianity. Its not meant to attack whites, Christians or divide anyone. Its simply a point made to people who use religion to justify thinking they are superior to others.Hey I am Jewish I did not assume the article was presumptuous saying "we" beieve in Jesus. I did not take it as an attack on Christians and I am white I think. More like grey pink green this time of year.

You need to ease up just a tad. If anything you are causing the division. You can criticize your religion without putting it down. Hell you can't put two of Us Jewish people in a room and get us to agree on anything in the Bible let alone life. The only thing we agree on is medical ailments and even then we compete as to who's aches are achiest.

Lol ease up. If there was a Jesus he's probably not what anyone imagines he was anyways.We are relying on many times removed stories from the actual events complete with the editorials, biases, censorship of the writers asked to draft the new testament for King Constantine anyways.

Geez just translating Armaic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin would have distorted half the words/ Then throw in the political biases of the writers being instructed by Constantine to fuse pagan with Christian beliefs to prevent a civil war between the two and presto you have a series of stories. You want to argue over their real meaning or the size of the lips of Jesus or the length of his nose. Nah. Doesn't matter. Its the concept of doing good and helping others without bringing attention to oneself and expecting anything back is the only lesson to learn as well of course as treating people the way we would want to be treated. That simple and yet we make it so complex. Whether you want to call him son of God or just a human it doesn't change those basic rules. The fact people have used Christiuanity to enslave and subject others is something all religions do and have done.

Me I avoid formal religious gatherings. The closet you would get me to "God" is cleaning a toilet, sweeping a floor, helping someone. That is it. I avoid organized rituals. It leads to no good. You get these mean with beards that want to have sex and grab your money and tell you that if you
don't worship their words you go to booga booga land. No thanks. The closest I am came to worship[ping anyone was either athletes when I was a kid or Mrs. Emma Peel from the Avengers (Diana Rigg) or Jaqueline Bisset back in the 60's. I knew Liberace was the anti Christ.

“Oh come on”, “You need to ease up a tad”, “Lol, ease up”. Repeated three times, but I’m the uptight one. Uh huh.

Anyway, your last two paragraphs tell us that you don’t care one whit about Christianity, or God for that matter, so your supposedly laid-back reactions to the thread are rather meaningless. As is your opinion of why Jake wrote it in the first place.

[JakeStarkey]

el-mika is correct

too many so-called Christians are hung up on a white looking Jesus

he wasn't unless he was a half-Roman bastard, which one of my professors believed, but he believed a lot of nonsense

[Juicer66]

Maybe the two of you should get together for a little love fest. Opposites attract, no?


I have a sound need to note what I expel from my arse .

But I do not fall in love with it .

And the wise person seeks resonators not just attractors .imo

[Abbey Marie]

el-mika is correct

too many so-called Christians are hung up on a white looking Jesus

he wasn't unless he was a half-Roman bastard, which one of my professors believed, but he believed a lot of nonsense

FTR, I don’t think Jesus looked like a Northern European, nor do I care. And as some of us have expressed, neither does the overwhelming majority of Christians.

He was born and lived where he did because it fulfilled the prophecy that he would come from the line of David, and he was sent to minister directly to God’s chosen people.

[JakeStarkey]

FTR, I don’t think Jesus looked like a Northern European, nor do I care. And as some of us have expressed, neither does the overwhelming majority of Christians.

He was born and lived where he did because it fulfilled the prophecy that he would come from the line of David, and he was sent to minister directly to God’s chosen people.

No one said "the overwhelming majority of Christians," just that are too many who do, and that is fact.

Yep, and the line of David must have been Semitic looking as they came.

[Abbey Marie]

No one said "the overwhelming majority of Christians," just that are too many who do, and that is fact.

Yep, and the line of David must have been Semitic looking as they came.

Yup, Semitic. Like the actor whose photo I posted. No Bible-reading Christian could ever claim otherwise. That was my point.

Can you link us up to the “facts” that prove many Christians have racist views on Jesus’ skin color?

[revelarts]

Oh come on. This is a discussion forum. The sole point was to raise an issue that has been discussed many a time and that is the institutionalized racist assumptions in Christianity. Its not meant to attack whites, Christians or divide anyone. Its simply a point made to people who use religion to justify thinking they are superior to others.Hey I am Jewish I did not assume the article was presumptuous saying "we" believe in Jesus.

You need to ease up just a tad. If anything you are causing the division.

Lol ease up. If there was a Jesus he's probably not what anyone imagines he was anyways.We are relying on many times removed stories from the actual events complete with the editorials, biases, censorship of the writers of the New Testament acting under the orders of King Constantine to merge pagan and Christian beliefs to avoid a civil war and create an institution (confession) so he could keep on eye on what people were thinking.

Geez just translating Armaic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin back and for the would have distorted half the words/.Then throw in the political biases and agenda of the writers being instructed by Constantine and you get quite a hybrid of confusing stories.

I myself always found it somewhat amusing seeing Jesus depicted as a blonde haired, blue eyed Aryan. I am sure he had a big hook nose and flared large nostrils and looked like a camel. So what.Come on people who have beards and sandals are crazy who think Bernie Saunders is the Messiah or even worse Donald Trump. Did you see those guys on Capital hill?

Was Jesus Real a real historical person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsJWNrqqpO8

From a skeptical historian
Bart D. Ehrman: Did Jesus Exist?
Bart Ehrman
Quote:
....But historians can never dismiss sources simply because they are biased. You may not trust Rush Limbaugh's views of Sandra Fluke, but he certainly provides evidence that she exists.

The question is not whether sources are biased but whether biased sources can be used to yield historically reliable information, once their biased chaff is separated from the historical kernel.
And historians have devised ways of doing just that....

...With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life in the sources lying behind the Gospels (and the writings of Paul) -- sources that originated in Jesus' native tongue Aramaic and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life (before the religion moved to convert pagans in droves). Historical sources like that are is pretty astounding for an ancient figure of any kind. Moreover, we have relatively extensive writings from one first-century author, Paul, who acquired his information within a couple of years of Jesus' life and who actually knew, first hand, Jesus' closest disciple Peter and his own brother James. If Jesus did not exist, you would think his brother would know it.

Moreover, the claim that Jesus was simply made up falters on every ground. The alleged parallels between Jesus and the "pagan" savior-gods in most instances reside in the modern imagination: We do not have accounts of others who were born to virgin mothers and who died as an atonement for sin and then were raised from the dead (despite what the sensationalists claim ad nauseum in their propagandized versions). ..."


"We have more evidence for Jesus than for nearly every others person of his time period."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWgqsqJGg

[Gunny]

Tsk tsk ... arguing about Jesus. Jesus was an Arab (semite) and a Jew. Our definition of "racism" as it is used like a buggy whip today has nothing to do with the reason Jesus was "turned white". What is going to appeal to a race a white people? A little brown guy? Or Jeffrey Hunter?

Whoever mention Constantine is probably closest to correct. Jesus is depicted in the ceiling of the Sisteine Chapel as white. It's probably a Roman thing. Thise damned racist Romans.

Here's a thought: Jesus was the physical manifestation of God as Man. If one remembers Him by His skin color rather than his teachings and works, then one is missing the message. In MY opinion.

[revelarts]

....

Lol ease up. If there was a Jesus he's probably not what anyone imagines he was anyways. We are relying on many times removed stories from the actual events complete with the editorials, biases, censorship of the writers of the New Testament acting under the orders of King Constantine to merge pagan and Christian beliefs to avoid a civil war and create an institution (confession) so he could keep on eye on what people were thinking.

Geez just translating Armaic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin back and for the would have distorted half the words/.Then throw in the political biases and agenda of the writers being instructed by Constantine and you get quite a hybrid of confusing stories.

....
Not sure where you got your info from. But there's a lot of loose and INCOMPLETE "info" and ideas floating around about the history of the new testament.
But If you're really interested in where we get the Bible we have today, and whether or not it's reliable or compares to what the Apostles wrote originally, here's some information to start your research.
Do we have the correct New Testament Text? Gary Habermas at The Veritas Forum


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTOx22g3ev4
FYI comparison info on Dates and number of copies of ancient historical docs.

The earliest (fragmented) manuscripts of Plato’s Dialogues date from the 2nd to 4th century AD. But the complete manuscripts date from about 900 AD. Plato died in 437 or 348 AD. That’s quite a gap (some 1250 years).
Jesus died 30 AD there are New testament fragments dating to the early 100s. But no one doubts Plato’s or Socrates’ existence or words. Socrates, like Jesus, is not known to have written anything, either. Other people recorded his words (precisely as in the case of Jesus).

Dr. Richard M. Fales analyzes the massive differences in the comparative evidence:
•Aristotle’s Ode to Poetics was written between 384 and322 B.C. The earliest copy of this work dates A.D. 1100, and there are only forty-nine extant manuscripts. The gap between the original writing and the earliest copy is 1,400 years.
•There are only seven extant manuscripts of Plato’s Tetralogies, written 427–347 B.C. The earliest copy is A.D. 900—a gap of over 1,200 years.
•For Caesar’s Gallic War (composed between 58 and 50BC) there are several extant MSS, but only nine or ten are good, and the oldest is some 900 years later than Caesar’s day.
•Of the fourteen books of the Histories of Tacitus (c. AD100) only four and a half survive; of the sixteen books of his Annals, ten survive in full and two in part. The text of these extant portions of has two great historical works depends entirely on two MSS, one of the ninth century (800 years later)and one of the eleventh (1000 years later).
• History of Herodotus (c. 488-428 BC). the earliest MSS of their works which are of any use to us are over 1,300 years later than the originals

What about the New Testament?
•Jesus was crucified in A.D. 30. The New Testament was written between A.D. 48 and 95. The oldest manuscripts date to the last quarter of the first century, and the second oldest A.D. 125. This gives us a narrow gap of thirty-five to forty years from the originals written by the apostles.
•From the early centuries, we have some 5,300 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Altogether, including Syriac, Latin,Coptic, and Aramaic, we have a whopping 24,633 texts of the ancient New Testament to confirm the wording of the Scriptures.

So the bottom line is, there was no great period between the events of the New Testament and the New Testament writings. Nor is there a great time lapse between the original writings and the oldest copies we have available today.
And the number of copies for comparison and review of the accuracy of the text is staggeringly more than any other ancient documents.

Michael Grant, a Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge, Professor of Humanity at Edinburgh University, and President and Vice Chancellor of the Queens University, Belfast, holds doctorates from Cambridge, Dublin and Belfast and is the author of numerous books, among them "The Twelve Caesars", and "The Army of the Caesars". In his book "Jesus: An Historian’s Review of the"Gospels", he fully admits,
“But if we apply the same sort of criteria that we would apply to any other ancient literary sources, then the evidence is firm and plausible enough to necessitate the conclusion that the tomb was indeed found empty.”19
But he does not believe in the Resurrection:
“Who had taken the body? There is no way of knowing.... at all events, it was gone.” 20
Yet he proceeds to show how the subsequent events of Christian history astonish the historian,
“For by conquering the Roman Empire in the fourth century A.D., Christianity had conquered the entire Western World, for century after century that lay ahead. In a triumph that has been hailed by its advocates as miraculous, and must be regarded by historians, too, as one of the most astonishing phenomena in the history of the world, the despised, reviled Galilean became the Lord of countless millions of people over the course of the1900 years and more between his age and ours.” 21

Sir Frederic Kenyon, Director and Principal Librarian of the British museum, a palaeographer, biblical and classical scholar whose authority to make pronouncements on ancient MSS was second to none:
‘The interval then between the data of original composition and the earliest extant evidence become so small to be in fact negligible, and the last foundation for any doubt that the Scripture have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed. Both the authenticity and the general integrity of the books of the New Testament may be regarded as finally established.’

A couple of Lawyer's Take:
John Singleton Copley(Lord Lyndhurst) is recognized as one of the greatest legal minds in British history. He was Solicitor General of the British government, Attorney General of Great Britain, three times the High Chancellor of England and elected High Steward of the University of Cambridge. He challenges,
“I know pretty well what evidence is; and I tell you, such evidence as that for the Resurrection has never broken down yet.”

Simon Greenleaf was the author of the classic three-volume text, A Treatise on the Law of Evidence which, according to Dr. Wilbur Smith “is still considered the greatest single authority on evidence in the entire literature on legal procedure.” Greenleaf himself is considered one of the greatest authorities on common-law evidence in Western history. In his book "Testimony of the Evangelists Examined by the Rules of Evidence Administered in Courts of Justice", Greenleaf writes:
All that Christianity asks of men... is, that they would be consistent with themselves; that they would treat its evidences as they treat the evidence of other things; and that they would try and judge its actors and witnesses, as they deal with their fellow men, when testifying to human affairs and actions, in human tribunals. Let the witnesses [to the Resurrection] be compared with themselves, with each other, and with surrounding facts and circumstances; and let their testimony be sifted, as if it were given in a court of justice, on the side of the adverse party, the witness being subjected to a rigorous cross-examination. The result, it is confidently believed, will be an undoubting conviction of their integrity, ability and truth.

[Russ]

This is the actor who plays Jesus in the series “The Chosen”. I think he looks quite appropriate.

Btw, great show.

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I loved that show, and loved watching it with you Abbey Marie :)

[Russ]

But yes, saying we shouldn't care what race Jesus is is exactly right.
But saying that NO ONE cares is false.
The fact that Jesus's "race" leans heavy toward brown is, in fact, a blow to some folks BS racial pride. And for others it a BS source of racial pride.
Neither sentiment is "Christian".

Fact is, more than few Christians, of ALL races, still have to overcome various levels of sinful ideas and feeling about other "races". And learn to REALLY see everyone as brothers and sisters, FAMILY. ALL Made in the image of God. (which means God is mixed race or maybe race doesn't matter concerning his image.)


Well put. If anyone actually gives it some honest thought, they have to conclude that Jesus probably looked like the people of Israel look now. They'd also have to conclude that it doesn't really matter.
I'd agree with your second statement, Rev, that race doesn't matter concerning his image.

[Russ]

If there was a Jesus ...


Mika-El, there is literally more evidence that there was a Jesus than any other person in history. There is more evidence of the 2000-years-ago life of Jesus than there is of the current existence of anyone alive today, including you and me. I don't think anyone should ever need to use the word "if" on this subject.

[Mika-El]

“Oh come on”, “You need to ease up a tad”, “Lol, ease up”. Repeated three times, but I’m the uptight one. Uh huh.

Anyway, your last two paragraphs tell us that you don’t care one whit about Christianity, or God for that matter, so your supposedly laid-back reactions to the thread are rather meaningless. As is your opinion of why Jake wrote it in the first place.

No you make assumptions. I do not myself think Jake does not care, just the exact opposite and the fact you might disagree with his views does not mean he does not care only that you disagree with his opinions. Same goes with my opinions stated in response. Caring does not only exist if someone agrees with your views. That is illogical.

Next being "laid back" does not mean I do not care, again you make assumptions based on projecting lack of care as the intent behind me and others who disagree with your take on this topic. No not at all. I cared otherwise I would not have responded.

Next and with due respect, you know people who try calm down others often repeat the same thing to sooth them so the repetition is not what necessarily makes the repeater uptight, its the tone its presented in. So I would suggest for example had I used exclamation marks and accusatory words in responses to you, you might be more accurate about my being uptight let alone laid back and uptight at the same time as you suggest.

I can assure you in my case I only meant to sound non alarming and gentle and if I intended to be uptight would have called you a sanctimonious asshole or something in that line of reference.

Thank you. :amen:

[Gunny]

[QUOTE=Mika-El;992383]No you make assumptions. I do not myself think Jake does not care, just the exact opposite and the fact you might disagree with his views does not mean he does not care only that you disagree with his opinions. Same goes with my opinions stated in response. Caring does not only exist if someone agrees with your views. That is illogical.

Next being "laid back" does not mean I do not care, again you make assumptions based on projecting lack of care as the intent behind me and others who disagree with your take on this topic. No not at all. I cared otherwise I would not have responded.

Next and with due respect, you know people who try calm down others often repeat the same thing to sooth them so the repetition is not what necessarily makes the repeater uptight, its the tone its presented in. So I would suggest for example had I used exclamation marks and accusatory words in responses to you, you might be more accurate about my being uptight let alone laid back and uptight at the same time as you suggest.

I can assure you in my case I only meant to sound non alarming and gentle and if I intended to be uptight would have called you a sanctimonious asshole or something in that line of reference.

Thank you. :amen:[/QUOTE Mika-El I'm not going to assume anything except what has been absent in your posts, and is obvious to me. Might want to clue the audience in to the fact you are Jewish. So everyone can call you a heathen and such :laugh: IMO, it DOES make a difference when discussing Jesus Christ.

Anyone assuming you are Christian kind of takes your statements out of context. Wouldn't you agree?

[JakeStarkey]

Mika-El, yes, your opinion counts on Jesus, and, yes, some Christians will have problems with your opinion.

So what if others think differently?

Some of the words and attitudes here in this thread give a new gloss to 'Christianity.'

[Gunny]

Mika-El, yes, your opinion counts on Jesus, and, yes, some Christians will have problems with your opinion.

So what if others think differently?

Some of the words and attitudes here in this thread give a new gloss to 'Christianity.'Judge not ... :no:

[Abbey Marie]

No you make assumptions. I do not myself think Jake does not care, just the exact opposite and the fact you might disagree with his views does not mean he does not care only that you disagree with his opinions. Same goes with my opinions stated in response. Caring does not only exist if someone agrees with your views. That is illogical.

Next being "laid back" does not mean I do not care, again you make assumptions based on projecting lack of care as the intent behind me and others who disagree with your take on this topic. No not at all. I cared otherwise I would not have responded.

Next and with due respect, you know people who try calm down others often repeat the same thing to sooth them so the repetition is not what necessarily makes the repeater uptight, its the tone its presented in. So I would suggest for example had I used exclamation marks and accusatory words in responses to you, you might be more accurate about my being uptight let alone laid back and uptight at the same time as you suggest.

I can assure you in my case I only meant to sound non alarming and gentle and if I intended to be uptight would have called you a sanctimonious asshole or something in that line of reference.

Thank you. :amen:

:rolleyes:

[Abbey Marie]

If there is something smaller than a grain of salt, that is what I’ll take some of these comments with.
I doubt I can express how little regard I have for them. That’s the best I can do to explain it.

Carry on.

[Black Diamond]

If there is something smaller than a grain of salt, that is what I’ll take some of these comments with.
I doubt I can express how little regard I have for them. That’s the best I can do.

Carry on.

Is a mustard seed smaller?

[Abbey Marie]

Is a mustard seed smaller?

;)

[icansayit]

If there is something smaller than a grain of salt, that is what I’ll take some of these comments with.
I doubt I can express how little regard I have for them. That’s the best I can do.

Carry on.

Based on where and WHO the comments came from...this should work..
https://www.enchantedlearning.com/agifs/Amoeba_bw.GIF:laugh::laugh:

[Abbey Marie]

Based on where and WHO the comments came from...this should work..
https://www.enchantedlearning.com/agifs/Amoeba_bw.GIF:laugh::laugh:

That Contractile Vacuole will do nicely.

:laugh2:

[icansayit]

That Contractile Vacuole will do nicely.

:laugh2:


That must be the scientific name we use with an alternate FEW letters like "A-Hole"????

[JakeStarkey]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by JakeStarkey http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=992389#post992389)
Mika-El, yes, your opinion counts on Jesus, and, yes, some Christians will have problems with your opinion.

So what if others think differently?

Some of the words and attitudes here in this thread give a new gloss to 'Christianity.'






Judge not ... :no:

:cool:

[Mika-El]

[QUOTE=Mika-El;992383]No you make assumptions. I do not myself think Jake does not care, just the exact opposite and the fact you might disagree with his views does not mean he does not care only that you disagree with his opinions. Same goes with my opinions stated in response. Caring does not only exist if someone agrees with your views. That is illogical.

Next being "laid back" does not mean I do not care, again you make assumptions based on projecting lack of care as the intent behind me and others who disagree with your take on this topic. No not at all. I cared otherwise I would not have responded.

Next and with due respect, you know people who try calm down others often repeat the same thing to sooth them so the repetition is not what necessarily makes the repeater uptight, its the tone its presented in. So I would suggest for example had I used exclamation marks and accusatory words in responses to you, you might be more accurate about my being uptight let alone laid back and uptight at the same time as you suggest.

I can assure you in my case I only meant to sound non alarming and gentle and if I intended to be uptight would have called you a sanctimonious asshole or something in that line of reference.

Thank you. :amen:[/QUOTE @Mika-El (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=4486) I'm not going to assume anything except what has been absent in your posts, and is obvious to me. Might want to clue the audience in to the fact you are Jewish. So everyone can call you a heathen and such :laugh: IMO, it DOES make a difference when discussing Jesus Christ.

Anyone assuming you are Christian kind of takes your statements out of context. Wouldn't you agree?


Good point but most people know I am a heathen I defended Joe Biden (once) on this forum.

Actually even worse, I admitted on this forum I support Mitt Romney. I mean the guy is a Mormon with nice teeth. That about says it all.

[Mika-El]

If there is something smaller than a grain of salt, that is what I’ll take some of these comments with.
I doubt I can express how little regard I have for them. That’s the best I can do to explain it.

Carry on.


One word would suffice: "sanctimoniousness".

:poop::poop::dance::dance::hyper::joy4::dancer::dr ums5::bop::nudie::cheer5::waltz::happy0100::thewav e:

[JakeStarkey]

[QUOTE=Gunny;992387]


Good point but most people know I am a heathen I defended Joe Biden (once) on this forum.

Actually even worse, I admitted on this forum I support Mitt Romney. I mean the guy is a Mormon with nice teeth. That about says it all.
:clap::clap::clap:

[Abbey Marie]

One word would suffice: "sanctimoniousness".





Good for you that you can admit it.

:clap:

[Gunny]

[QUOTE=Gunny;992387]


Good point but most people know I am a heathen I defended Joe Biden (once) on this forum.

Actually even worse, I admitted on this forum I support Mitt Romney. I mean the guy is a Mormon with nice teeth. That about says it all.

I suspect none of that has anything to do with your religion :)

We all make mistakes. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I actually voted for RINO Romney once just to vote against Obama.

[Juicer66]

Maybe the two of you should get together for a little love fest. Opposites attract, no?


After defecating you do not try to pick up the pieces and shove them back where they came from .

I welcome discussion and debate, but first you need someone intelligent to make it worthwhile and then a true' news- aware' person before mutual benefit can even begin .

For me , Jane represents everything that has gone badly wrong ---- an MSM 100% Gullible .But at least she highlights the danger of allowing the ignorant unfettered access to

public opinion spewing .

Perhaps I am guilty of sitting on the fence but I do not really enjoy humiliating the handicapped .

[JakeStarkey]

My reply is that you losers continue to lose.

That will not change.

[Juicer66]

My reply is that you losers continue to lose.

That will not change.


It's great to see you publicly 'give up the ghost '.

Stay like that with your mouth firmly shut and life will only get better .

[JakeStarkey]

Good for you that you can admit it.

:clap:

It's about you that it is being admitted.

[JakeStarkey]

It's great to see you publicly 'give up the ghost '.

Stay like that with your mouth firmly shut and life will only get better .



That your admission that you have lost is somehow your opponents has given up the ghost is just plain silly, but that is you staying character.

[NightTrain]

Good point but most people know I am a heathen I defended Joe Biden (once) on this forum.

Actually even worse, I admitted on this forum I support Mitt Romney. I mean the guy is a Mormon with nice teeth. That about says it all.


You're Canadian. Your opinion matters how?

[Abbey Marie]

It's about you that it is being admitted.

Jake, try to keep up if you’re going to get involved.

[JakeStarkey]

Jake, try to keep up, if you’re going to get involved.

You are so unaware of what is going on.

[Juicer66]

That your admission that you have lost is somehow your opponents has given up the ghost is just plain silly, but that is you staying character.


I will keep it very simple because it is unfair otherwise .

Wait until late Saturday night and look at Deontay Wilder .

A loser and wrecked mental health . Same as your Uncle Hans at Auschwitz .

[Abbey Marie]

You are so unaware of what is going on.

On the contrary, I know exactly what’s going on- an anti-Christian atheist is trying to frame me, a Christian, in a poor light.

And you side with him because I criticized your OP (which was also anti-Christian). It’s not hard to see at all.

And believe me, Mika is far from the first Christian-phobic to show up here and attempt this, via name-calling and trying to make Christians look hypocritical. It’s a very common tactic by such phobics. Hence the grain of salt comment. It’s simply all been done to death, not just here, but in the culture in general. I’m posting this unnecessary explanation because I like you.

One must ​always consider the source.

[icansayit]

Beware: Stupidity, Ignorance, and Insanity can be shared...even on a keyboard.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/78194258.jpg

[Black Diamond]

Beware: Stupidity, Ignorance, and Insanity can be shared...even on a keyboard.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/78194258.jpg

Tapped out. :laugh:

[Russ]

One word would suffice: "sanctimoniousness".

Here's one word back to you: "pissoff"

You should look to yourself when you make up words like this. It is sad how heathen people these days have let their 'non-belief' morph into its own sad Church of Snark, and they get sanctimonious about their lack of sanctity. The Church of Snark needs a few mirrors in the building.

[JakeStarkey]

"sanctimonious" is one accurate descriptor of the evangelical right, yes

[fj1200]

I welcome discussion and debate...

:laugh:

That's good stuff. Good times, good times...

[Gunny]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyot2S8yN7w

[Mika-El]

Here you go Russ:

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/what-did-jesus-really-look-like-as-a-jew-in-1st-century-judaea-1.3385334


https://theconversation.com/jesus-wasnt-white-he-was-a-brown-skinned-middle-eastern-jew-heres-why-that-matters-91230

:gunner3::rofl1:

[JakeStarkey]

You guys are the casters of stones

[JakeStarkey]

Great portrait if one was of a half-Roman semitic breeding.


Fantastic show!

[NightTrain]

"sanctimonious" is one accurate descriptor of the evangelical right, yes

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?74433-Biden-Again-Uses-the-Fake-White-House-Set-Instead-of-White-House&p=993089#post993089

[icansayit]

You guys are the casters of stones

I'm sure OUR AIM would have put you out of business the first time you Deposited your Shit here. But we all understand. GOD has a really good sense of Humor...so you were dropped here like a big white PLOP from a bird on a tree branch.
https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/800x450/format/jpg/quality/85/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/05/bird-poop-camry.jpg

[Russ]

[QUOTE=Mika-El;993110]Here you go Russ:

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/what-did-jesus-really-look-like-as-a-jew-in-1st-century-judaea-1.3385334


https://theconversation.com/jesus-wasnt-white-he-was-a-brown-skinned-middle-eastern-jew-heres-why-that-matters-91230

/QUOTE]

Here's a quote for you also, Mika-El:

"If anyone actually gives it some honest thought, they have to conclude that Jesus probably looked like the people of Israel look now. They'd also have to conclude that it doesn't really matter.
I'd agree with your second statement, Rev, that race doesn't matter concerning his image."

This quote is from board-member "Russ", in this same thread, from a few days ago.

[Juicer66]

Am amazed nobody has brought up Leonardo's , " Turin Shroud " .

There is your old pal Jesus .According to the Believers Cult .

Except it was that remarkable genius L da V giving us a self portrait .

See Picknett and Prince for the method used by the Italian Whizz Kid to print onto linen

[Gunny]

Been my observation over the past 20 years on message boards, and even prior to that, one has a better chance of changing someone's political beliefs than their religious ones.