Military Whistleblower - Pilots be grounded immediately

[SassyLady]

Very long article of sworn statement, credentials and

Army Flight Surgeon, Whistleblower: All VAXED Pilots should Be Grounded Immediately After 3 Pulmonary Embolisms Within 48 Hours Of Vaccination Pose High Risk Of Cardiac Arrest In Flight
“Today I received word of one fatality and two ICU cases on Fort Hood; the deceased was an Army pilot who could have been flying at the time. All three pulmonary embolism events happened within 48 hours of their vaccination. I cannot attribute this result to anything other than the Covid 19 vaccines as the source of these events. Each person was in top physical condition before the inoculation and each suffered the event within 2 days post vaccination”
I, Lieutenant Colonel Theresa Long, MD, MPH, FS being duly sworn, depose and state as follows:
1. I make this affidavit, as a whistle blower under the Military Whistleblower Protection Act, Title 10 U.S.C. § 1034, in support of the above referenced MOTION as expert testimony in support thereof.
2. The expert opinions expressed here are my own and arrived at from my persons, professional and educational experiences taken in context, where appropriate, by scientific data, publications, treatises, opinions, documents, reports and other information relevant to the subject matter and are not necessarily those of the Army or Department of Defense.

https://whiskeytangotexas.com/2021/09/25/army-flight-surgeon-whistleblower-all-vaxed-pilots-should-be-grounded-immediately-after-3-pulmonary-embolisms-within-48-hours-of-vaccination-pose-high-risk-of-cardiac-arrest-in-flight/


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39. The subject matter of this Motion for a Preliminary Injunction and its devastating effects on members of the military compel me to conclude and conduct accordingly as follows:


a) None of the ordered Emergency Use Covid 19 vaccines can or will provide better immunity than an infection-recovered person;
b) All three of the EUA Covid 19 vaccines (Comirnaty is not available), in the age group and fitness level of my patients, are more risky, harmful and dangerous than having no vaccine at all, whether a person is Covid recovered or facing a Covid 19 infection;
c) Direct evidence exists and suggests that all persons who have received a Covid 19 Vaccine are damaged in their cardiovascular system in an irreparable and irrevocable manner;
d) Due to the Spike protein production that is engineered into the user’s genome, each such recipient of the Covid 19 Vaccines already has micro clots in their cardiovascular system that present a danger to their health and safety;
e) That such micro clots over time will become bigger clots by the very nature of the shape and composition of the Spike proteins being produced and said proteins are found throughout the user’s body, including the brain;



f) That at the initial stage of this damage the micro clots can only be discovered by a biopsy or Magnetic Resonance Image (“MRI”) scan;
g) That due to the fact that there is no functional myocardial screening currently being conducted, it is my professional opinion that substantial foreseen risks currently exist, which require proper screening of all flight crews.
h) That, by virtue of their occupations, said flight crews present extraordinary risks to themselves and others given the equipment they operate, munitions carried thereon and areas of operation in close proximity to populated areas.
i) That, without any current screening procedures in place, including any Aero Message (flight surgeon notice) relating to this demonstrable and identifiable risk, I must and will therefore ground all active flight personnel who received the vaccinations until such time as the causation of these serious systemic health risks can be more fully and adequately assessed.
j) That, based on the DOD’s own protocols and studies, the only two valuable methodologies to adequately assess this risk are through MRI imaging or cardio biopsy which must be carried-out.
k) That, in accordance with the foregoing, I hereby recommend to the Secretary of Defense that all pilots, crew and flight personnel in the military service who required hospitalization from injection or received any Covid 19 vaccination be grounded similarly for further dispositive assessment.
l) That this Court should grant an immediate injunction to stop the further harm to all military personnel to protect the health and safety of our active duty, reservists and National Guard troops.

40. I am competent to opine on the medical and flight readiness aspects of these allegations based upon my above-referenced education and professional medical, aviation and military experience and the basis of my opinions are formed as a result of my education, practice, training and experience.
41 As an Aerospace Medicine Specialist, and flight surgeon responsible for the lives of our Army pilots, I confirm and attest to the accuracy and truthfulness of my foregoing statements, analysis and attachments or references hereto:
_______________/S/__________________ LTC Theresa Long, MD, MPH, FS
I, Lieutenant Colonel Theresa Long, MD, MPH, FS, declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States of America, and state upon personal knowledge that:
THERESA MARIE LONG, MD, MPH, FS LTC, MEDICAL CORPS, U.S. Army

[SassyLady]

https://whiskeytangotexas.com/2021/09/25/army-flight-surgeon-whistleblower-all-vaxed-pilots-should-be-grounded-immediately-after-3-pulmonary-embolisms-within-48-hours-of-vaccination-pose-high-risk-of-cardiac-arrest-in-flight/

[SassyLady]

Three questions:

1. Will the story make it to mainstream media;

2. How soon will it be classified as misinformation or censored; and

3. How soon will she be declared a kook?

[SassyLady]

Pertinent paragraph that caught my attention. Bolding is not mine


15. It is therefore my responsibility and that of every leaders to apply the steps of risk management to the current pandemic and countermeasures used. The CDC and the FDA are civilian agencies that do not have the mission of National Defense that the DOD has. Guidance and recommendations made by these civilian agencies must be filtered through strategic perspective of national defense and the potential risks recommendations may have on the health of the entire fighting force. Ensuring that the health of the fighting force is not compromised is a strategic imperative, for which every military physician is responsible to of the entire fighting force. Ensuring that the health of the fighting force is not compromised is a strategic imperative, for which every military physician is responsible to ensure.

[icansayit]

Won't surprise me at all to see, or learn how that LTCOL will soon find herself on Restricted duty as she awaits a Summary Court Martial...prior to being THROWN under the PENTAGON BUS being driven by 18 Wheeler Pretender...Joe (I used to drive that) Sleepy Biden.

All with the CDC and FDA's blessings to INSERT their CORKS into her mouth.

[fj1200]

Three questions:

1. Will the story make it to mainstream media;

2. How soon will it be classified as misinformation or censored; and

3. How soon will she be declared a kook?

Count me dubious.


36. I personally observed the most physically fit female Soldier I have seen in over 20 years in the Army, go from Colligate level athlete training for Ranger School, to being physically debilitated with cardiac problems, newly diagnosed pituitary brain tumor, thyroid dysfunction within weeks of getting vaccinated. Several military physicians have shared with me their firsthand experience with a significant increase in the number of young Soldiers with migraines, menstrual irregularities, cancer, suspected myocarditis and reporting cardiac symptoms after vaccination. Numerous Soldiers and DOD civilians have told me of how they were sick, bed-ridden, debilitated, and unable to work for days to weeks after vaccination.


Pituitary cancer (pituitary carcinoma) is rare. Only a few hundred cases (http://www.cancer.org/cancer/pituitarytumors/detailedguide/pituitary-tumors-what-is-pituitary-tumor) of pituitary cancers have ever been recorded in the United States. Most were diagnosed in older people and about 75 percent (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3277423)Trusted Source (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3277423) of cases were diagnosed after death.
Benign tumors account for about 30 to 40 percent (http://www.abta.org/secure/pituitary-tumors-brochure.pdf) of all pituitary tumors, according to the American Brain Tumor Association. They are most common in young, reproductive-age women and men in their 40s and 50s.
One in 4 people may have a benign pituitary tumor (adenoma) and not even know it because the tumor is noncancerous and doesn’t cause any symptoms.
Pituitary tumors are often considered brain tumors, and they make up 12 to 19 percent of all primary brain tumors. But most pituitary tumors are benign and most of them are treatable.

https://www.healthline.com/health/pituitary-tumor#incidence

I predict about zero chance that the vaccine caused any instance of pituitary cancer given the near zero instances of pituitary cancer in the US (not the benign kind). I also predict zero chance that they would see that many instances of cancer in the less than 9 months that the vaccine has been administered in an exceedingly small population.

[SassyLady]

Count me dubious.





I predict about zero chance that the vaccine caused any instance of pituitary cancer given the near zero instances of pituitary cancer in the US (not the benign kind). I also predict zero chance that they would see that many instances of cancer in the less than 9 months that the vaccine has been administered in an exceedingly small population.

How did I know you would be the first to "poo poo" this info. Color me surprised.

Do you know the major reason she recommended all pilots be grounded? Figures you would pick one thing you can discount, therefore everything must be suspect or doubted.

[fj1200]

How did I know you would be the first to "poo poo" this info. Color me surprised.

Do you know the major reason she recommended all pilots be grounded? Figures you would pick one thing you can discount, therefore everything must be suspect or doubted.

Probably because I'm the only one who would. Did you take the time to critically think through it or just take it to be a true and 100% correct recounting of the issues? But to your second paragraph; I assume you're referring the "pertinent" one. And I wouldn't necessarily say that's the only thing that could be questioned but it was pretty glaring in my opinion. Was there anything in there you thought didn't pass the smell test?

Was there a date on her affidavit? I didn't see one and it refers to 3 EUAs but Pfizer's has been approved for about a month now.

[icansayit]

Probably because I'm the only one who would. Did you take the time to critically think through it or just take it to be a true and 100% correct recounting of the issues? But to your second paragraph; I assume you're referring the "pertinent" one. And I wouldn't necessarily say that's the only thing that could be questioned but it was pretty glaring in my opinion. Was there anything in there you thought didn't pass the smell test?

Was there a date on her affidavit? I didn't see one and it refers to 3 EUAs but Pfizer's has been approved for about a month now.


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[SassyLady]

Wow .. does this mean holding someone down while they are being injected?


32. I am also aware of the Secretary of Defense Austin’s order in relation to Covid Vaccine mandates made this week. In an information paper, it was stated that, “Unit personnel should use only as much force as necessary to assist medical personnel with immunizations.”

The use of force to administer a medical treatment or therapy against the will of a mentally competent individual constitutes medical battery and universally violates medical ethics. Currently, I am not aware of the Comirnaty available within the DOD. Emergency Use Authorized vaccines, despite the attempt to characterize some of them as approved despite such approved versions not being available and regardless of a military member’s prior immunity to Covid 19; even where it may be demonstrated with a recent antibody test.

[icansayit]

Wow .. does this mean holding someone down while they are being injected?


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[JakeStarkey]

Very interesting, and if true (connection between vaccine and very serious illness in flight pilots) very concerning.

whiskeytangotexas? deepcapture?

Let's see what serious and professional medical and military websites publish,

[SassyLady]

Very interesting, and if true (connection between vaccine and very serious illness in flight pilots) very concerning.

whiskeytangotexas? deepcapture?

Let's see what serious and professional medical and military websites publish,

As I said the story will be

Ignored, censored or canceled

[fj1200]

As I said the story will be

Ignored, censored or canceled

Is that just a self-fulfilling prophecy? What if she's just wrong?

[Juicer66]

As I said the story will be

Ignored, censored or canceled


That's the way it always was going to be . Fully agree , albeit with huge regret .

Until we reach the Tilt moment when the number of fatalities can no longer be suppressed , masked or ignored .

Not long to wait for that -- around 8 weeks maximum is my forecast .

Once we knew exactly what was in the killer shots there was no way attributable long term deaths could be below one billion and quite possible double this number . At the

current global Vaxx level .

That also assumes the present position with Sheeple kept away from the easy to follow and inexpensive Treatment Protocols which would at least allow a huge percentage of

them important levels of recovery .

As I have said many times and to the point of boredom --- there are huge numbers of Compliance Gullibles whom you can do nothing to help ( adage of a little

knowledge being their complete downfall ) plus those who are additional by virtue of low IQ ( complete ignorance ) ,are ultra gullible and lazy ( mostly mental ) , all of whom

who were probably doomed from the start .

[SassyLady]

Is that just a self-fulfilling prophecy? What if she's just wrong?
I don't believe she is.

The truth is still the truth even if no one believes it. And a lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

[Gunny]

Tossing out the "Military Whistleblower" is to get attention. Any and everyone in the military knows from the first week of boot camp you have a right to write your Congresscritter. Problem here is invoking such a right without the window dressing )Whistleblower" gets little attention.

And it doesn't matter what the Whistleblower act states. She needs to start looking for a new job. No reprisal for reporting this to Congress is so easy to get around in the government. Your conduct and performance is going under a microscope within the bounds of what is expected and you're going to lose.

Hope it's worth it to her. It's not going to stop the vaccinations.

In her place, I would be more concerned with reporting to the CoC that there is a possible bad batch of vaccine given the circumstances of the alleged causes of death. That is the immediate concern that should be looked at.

[fj1200]

I don't believe she is.

The truth is still the truth even if no one believes it. And a lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

Your belief is not necessarily the truth. I believe what's been provided defies logic and therefore not the truth. We should see a lot more than what's been provided before any of us can make a solid determination.

[SassyLady]

Your belief is not necessarily the truth. I believe what's been provided defies logic and therefore not the truth. We should see a lot more than what's been provided before any of us can make a solid determination.
And your belief is not necessarily the truth either. I don't get where your logic comes from. Do you know more about the vaccines than this doctor? Her belief comes from her research. Yours probably comes from what you hear on MSM.

Once again, I'm not here to judge those who do or do not get the vaccine. I'm just posting info that seems to get censored and that censorship concerns me. People should have all info to make an informed decision. When MSM, Social Media and the government are controlling the info it smacks of propaganda.

[SassyLady]

Tossing out the "Military Whistleblower" is to get attention. Any and everyone in the military knows from the first week of boot camp you have a right to write your Congresscritter. Problem here is invoking such a right without the window dressing )Whistleblower" gets little attention.

And it doesn't matter what the Whistleblower act states. She needs to start looking for a new job. No reprisal for reporting this to Congress is so easy to get around in the government. Your conduct and performance is going under a microscope within the bounds of what is expected and you're going to lose.

Hope it's worth it to her. It's not going to stop the vaccinations.

In her place, I would be more concerned with reporting to the CoC that there is a possible bad batch of vaccine given the circumstances of the alleged causes of death. That is the immediate concern that should be looked at.

Yeah .. that headline got my attention.

Yes, she made a huge decision about her career in the military. I believe she was more concerned having those pilots in the air carrying ordinance. She too is concerned about the info surrounding covid and the vaccine being censored.

I'm glad there are people who are willing to stand up to the coercion to get the facts out to the public.

[Gunny]

Yeah .. that headline got my attention.

Yes, she made a huge decision about her career in the military. I believe she was more concerned having those pilots in the air carrying ordinance. She too is concerned about the info surrounding covid and the vaccine being censored.

I'm glad there are people who are willing to stand up to the coercion to get the facts out to the public.Her choice. Fact is, she can retire a LtCol and go into private practice making a lot more money. She's not really putting anything on the line career-wise as most whistleblowers have to.

It's not going to change anything.

[fj1200]

And your belief is not necessarily the truth either. I don't get where your logic comes from. Do you know more about the vaccines than this doctor? Her belief comes from her research. Yours probably comes from what you hear on MSM.

Once again, I'm not here to judge those who do or do not get the vaccine. I'm just posting info that seems to get censored and that censorship concerns me. People should have all info to make an informed decision. When MSM, Social Media and the government are controlling the info it smacks of propaganda.

Which is exactly why I said we need a lot more information than just what's been posted. My logic of throwing every symptom in the vaccine-must-be-bad-then bucket. Cancer is just the most obvious one which is not true. But the fact is that airplanes are not dropping from the sky and people are not dropping dead all over the place.

And from what I've seen the MSM vs. whereever this link came from the MSM is a bit higher on the credibility board. And no, I'm not watching the MSM and parroting what I see just like I'm not trolling the outer edges of the interwebs and parroting what comes from there.

This not showing up anywhere beyond where you've found it is not proof of censorship. I'd almost lay odds that it's completely made up but I'm certainly open to being wrong. Can you say the same?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

How did I know you would be the first to "poo poo" this info. Color me surprised.

Do you know the major reason she recommended all pilots be grounded? Figures you would pick one thing you can discount, therefore everything must be suspect or doubted.

A leopard does not change its spots...
When you have been branded as a patriot/conservative or true believer in this nation.Constitution------ well then , some will never agree with you unless what you say fits into their little hidden dem/socialist playbook, imho.----Tyr

[fj1200]

A leopard does not change its spots...
When you have been branded as a patriot/conservative or true believer in this nation.Constitution------ well then , some will never agree with you unless what you say fits into their little hidden dem/socialist playbook, imho.----Tyr

The passive-aggressive trolling is strong with this one.

[SassyLady]

Which is exactly why I said we need a lot more information than just what's been posted. My logic of throwing every symptom in the vaccine-must-be-bad-then bucket. Cancer is just the most obvious one which is not true. But the fact is that airplanes are not dropping from the sky and people are not dropping dead all over the place.

And from what I've seen the MSM vs. whereever this link came from the MSM is a bit higher on the credibility board. And no, I'm not watching the MSM and parroting what I see just like I'm not trolling the outer edges of the interwebs and parroting what comes from there.

This not showing up anywhere beyond where you've found it is not proof of censorship. I'd almost lay odds that it's completely made up but I'm certainly open to being wrong. Can you say the same?

Really? Why? Because it's corporate owned and they all parrot the same message which makes people believe it's the gospel? If everyone says it, it must be true!

Well, that's not me. I read and watch several, non main stream media for a different viewpoint of MSM. in fact, I really don't trust any of them at this point.

And, in case you're not aware, many sources of information are being deplatformed and disappearing because they aren't following the "allowed information" guidelines.

As for being wrong ... maybe you should "troll" the outer edges .. might give your brain something to chew on rather than parroting the main stream narrative.

[fj1200]

Really? Why?

You think I've been parroting the MSM? Not so much. I didn't say that they were the highest, I said that they were higher than what you've posted here. There have been plenty of anti-vax threads posted and so many of them have just not panned out. Of course it doesn't really matter because another thread will pop up with another news story with the same line of thinking.

[SassyLady]

You think I've been parroting the MSM? Not so much. I didn't say that they were the highest, I said that they were higher than what you've posted here. There have been plenty of anti-vax threads posted and so many of them have just not panned out. Of course it doesn't really matter because another thread will pop up with another news story with the same line of thinking.

Because the information flow is continuing which warrants more ongoing discussions.

Why do you keep trying to shut down discussion about it?? If you're tired of discussing it don't comment. This is a debate board. Not a one way flow of info.

[SassyLady]

This is her most current work experience for those of you who didn't read entire article.


06/2021- Present
1st Aviation Brigade TOMS Surgeon
Serve as the Medical Advisor to the 1st Aviation Brigade Commander regarding health and fitness of over 3600 officers, warrant officers and Soldiers. The Brigade is comprised of three aviation training battalions, responsible for initial entry rotary wing/ fixed wing flight training, advanced aircraft training. as well as Specific duties include ensuring safety of flight in Army Aviation operations by functioning as Flight Surgeon, while ensuring the health and fitness of military police, firefighters and military working dogs that support Ft. Rucker. Tasked with conducting epidemiological and biostatistical analysis of injuries and illnesses (SARs CoV-2) and medical trends that occur during training and identify and implement strategies to mitigate delays or lost training time.
05/2018-06/2021
Aerospace and Occupational Medicine Resident
Graduate Medical Education training in Aerospace and Occupational Medicine while obtaining a Master’s in Public Health. Specialty training included the Flight surgeon course, The Instructor/Trainer course, Space Cadre Course, Medical Effects of Ionizing Radiation, Medical Management of Chemical and Biological Casualties course at USAMIIRD, Ft. Detrick, NASA, 7th Special Forces, Aviation Safety Officer Course, Global Medicine Symposium, OSHA, Dept of Transportation, Textron Bell Helicopters, Brigade Healthcare Course, Preventative Medicine Senior Leaders Course, Joint Enroute Critical Care Course, Army Aeromedical Activity, research on Intervertebral Disc Disease.

[SassyLady]

You think I've been parroting the MSM? Not so much. I didn't say that they were the highest, I said that they were higher than what you've posted here. There have been plenty of anti-vax threads posted and so many of them have just not panned out. Of course it doesn't really matter because another thread will pop up with another news story with the same line of thinking.

Fj1200 ... I will admit that if this is a deep fake they did an excellent job. The level of detail in the affidavit strongly suggests it is not a troll.

However, propaganda is escalating on both sides of the vax debate and some are good at what they do.

[fj1200]

Because the information flow is continuing which warrants more ongoing discussions.

Why do you keep trying to shut down discussion about it?? If you're tired of discussing it don't comment. This is a debate board. Not a one way flow of info.

Problem being it's not an ongoing discussion. It's the same discussion over and over. Did you really type those last two sentences? How much push back do I get when I go against the grain sometimes. Remember I was accused of "poo-pooing."


Fj1200 ... I will admit that if this is a deep fake they did an excellent job. The level of detail in the affidavit strongly suggests it is not a troll.

However, propaganda is escalating on both sides of the vax debate and some are good at what they do.

Deep fake? It could have been typed in a word document. Has anyone gone and stuck a microphone in Lt Col Dr Theresa Long's face yet? Can't be to many of those.

[fj1200]

This not showing up anywhere beyond where you've found it is not proof of censorship. I'd almost lay odds that it's completely made up but I'm certainly open to being wrong. Can you say the same?

Well looky here.


A senior U.S. Army flight surgeon who warned that pilots could die in mid-air from COVID-19 vaccine side effects testified Tuesday at a roundtable hosted by Sen. Ron Johnson on Capitol Hill.Testifying under the Military Whistleblower Protection Act, Lt. Col. Theresa Long (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/theresa-long/) told the Wisconsin Republican at the event that she (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/theresa-long/) had grounded vaccinated pilots to monitor symptoms of myocarditis — including chronic fatigue — that could cause them to die of heart failure in mid-air.

“I made numerous efforts to get senior medical leaders to at the very least inform soldiers of this risk; my concerns were ignored,” Dr. Long (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/theresa-long/) said at the event.

...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/nov/3/theresa-long-army-vaccine-whistleblower-testifies-/

[SassyLady]

Well looky here.



https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/nov/3/theresa-long-army-vaccine-whistleblower-testifies-/

So, now it's suddenly the truth because one of your approved internet sources posted it?

Are you admitting you were wrong?

This news is over 2 months ago.

https://yournews.com/2021/11/02/2247972/army-flight-surgeon-who-urged-pentagon-to-ground-vaccinated-pilots/

[fj1200]

So, now it's suddenly the truth because one of your approved internet sources posted it?

Are you admitting you were wrong?

This news is over 2 months ago.

https://yournews.com/2021/11/02/2247972/army-flight-surgeon-who-urged-pentagon-to-ground-vaccinated-pilots/

I don't think it's the truth. I just recognize that she exists and filed a whistleblower complaint. And I know it's two months ago but I've not heard of reports of planes dropping from the skies.

[icansayit]

Asking Kamala Harris to nominate AOC to become the next President.

But that would mean Kicking Hillary out again, and putting Sleepy in charge of Kids.

[SassyLady]

I don't think it's the truth. I just recognize that she exists and filed a whistleblower complaint. And I know it's two months ago but I've not heard of reports of planes dropping from the skies.

Because you're not paying attention.

https://www.oom2.com/t77530-american-airlines-flight-2740-why-vaxxed-pilots-should-not-fly

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Because you're not paying attention.

https://www.oom2.com/t77530-american-airlines-flight-2740-why-vaxxed-pilots-should-not-fly
My friend, too much truth gonna drive certain deniers into a frenzy of blathering, mumbo jumbo replies. Some people have a built in rejection of truth when it is presented to them, imho. Especially if it does not fit in well with their political fantasy narrative. Tyr

[fj1200]

Because you're not paying attention.

https://www.oom2.com/t77530-american-airlines-flight-2740-why-vaxxed-pilots-should-not-fly

Surely that's not the extent of your research into the issue is it? Because sadly, pilots do die while they're flying. And it just doesn't seem that any of that is true. Perhaps a FOIA request to the FAA because they would have the required reporting from the airlines.


The article asserts both pilots had been vaccinated a few weeks before their flights and that there have been "at least 12 non-fatal incidents involving pilots that had recently received the jab."
However, none of this is true, said American Airlines spokesperson Whitney Zastrow in an email to USA TODAY.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/04/fact-check-no-evidence-vaccinated-pilots-dying-during-flights/6236189001/


March 30, 2017









The captain of an American Airlines flight safely landed the plane Wednesday afternoon after his co-pilot died in the cockpit minutes before landing, according to an airline official.


Flight 1353was two miles from Albuquerque International Sunport when the captain declared an emergency, citing a “medical issue” aboard shortly after 3:30 p.m. local time, according to a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman.






First officer William “Mike” Grubbs, 58, fell ill just as the plane reached its last phases of landing, according to the airline.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/03/30/american-airlines-pilot-dies-on-flight-minutes-before-landing-in-new-mexico/


Oct. 6, 2015, 1:42 AM EDT / Updated Oct. 6, 2015, 9:26 AM EDTBy Richie Duchon (https://www.nbcnews.com/author/richie-duchon-ncpn191641) and Hallie Jackson
American Airlines Capt. Michael Johnston died of a heart-attack mid-flight from Phoenix to Boston early Monday morning, his wife Betty Jean Johnston told NBC News.

The 57-year-old veteran pilot had a double-bypass heart surgery in 2006, but had otherwise been in good health, his wife said, adding that the airline required Johnston to have a physical every six months to continue piloting.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/american-airlines-captain-who-died-flight-idd-57-year-old-n439066



My friend, too much truth gonna drive certain deniers into a frenzy of blathering, mumbo jumbo replies. Some people have a built in rejection of truth when it is presented to them, imho. Especially if it does not fit in well with their political fantasy narrative. Tyr

When your version of truth doesn't seem to be true then you might want to reevaluate your stance. Friendly advice.

[SassyLady]

Surely that's not the extent of your research into the issue is it? Because sadly, pilots do die while they're flying. And it just doesn't seem that any of that is true. Perhaps a FOIA request to the FAA because they would have the required reporting from the airlines.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/04/fact-check-no-evidence-vaccinated-pilots-dying-during-flights/6236189001/


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/03/30/american-airlines-pilot-dies-on-flight-minutes-before-landing-in-new-mexico/


https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/american-airlines-captain-who-died-flight-idd-57-year-old-n439066




When your version of truth doesn't seem to be true then you might want to reevaluate your stance. Friendly advice.

https://rairfoundation.com/revealed-vaccinated-pilots-are-flight-risks-video/

[fj1200]

https://rairfoundation.com/revealed-vaccinated-pilots-are-flight-risks-video/

At best it's anecdotal evidence. At worst it's misinformation.

[SassyLady]

At best it's anecdotal evidence. At worst it's misinformation.

It's his personal experience. I believe him rather than some PR statement put out. You'll see some day that you are part of the mass formation psychosis.

If I told you fenbendazole cured two of my friends of cancer (colon and pancreatic) in less than 3 months you would say the same thing because you didn't hear it from an authority figure. However, it's my truth.

[fj1200]

It's his personal experience. I believe him rather than some PR statement put out. You'll see some day that you are part of the mass formation psychosis.

If I told you fenbendazole cured two of my friends of cancer (colon and pancreatic) in less than 3 months you would say the same thing because you didn't hear it from an authority figure. However, it's my truth.


Critical theory is a postmodern concept meant to describe power and justice. So, first of all, we need to ask ourselves, what is postmodernism? Modernism is the idea that there can be an objective reality and an objective truth and that everyone can find and grab hold of that truth. It puts factual analysis ahead of emotions. Postmodernism is the opposite. Postmodernism is the belief that there is no truth. You have your truth. I have my truth. It puts emotions and feelings above thinking. That's why you hear so many people these days say "I feel" instead of "I think." That's a sign we're in postmodern times. People put their feelings ahead of their thinking. Postmodernism is very relational. People find people who speak their truth back to them and those people become fans and have an emotional connection to them.
https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ee2

I'm sorry but that is leftist pablum. It may be "his personal experience" and fenbenzandole may have been taken by someone who no longer has cancer but the one-year surivaval rate for pancreatic cancer is still 20%. If fenbendazole is an effective tool in fighting pancreatic cancer then people will do research and studies and its effectiveness willl be bourne out.


In conclusion, this is the first study providing evidence that parbendazole as a single agent, or in combination with gemcitabine, is a repurposing candidate in the currently dismal PC therapy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6966614/

But to say that my two friends were cured of cancer because of x is nowhere near truth in fighting cancer because the extension of "your truth" is that we just need to give all pancreatic cancer patients a dog-dewormer because it's "truth." The news is filled with post-modernist stories these days with people telling their "truth." A black person got a bad appraisal so it's their truth that the racist appraisal industry needs to change. Someone got triggered because someone else didn't wear a mask or take the covid precautions that they demand be in their field of vision. Kyle Rittenhouse is guilty because people don't understand the legal system. People are sexually frustrated when they disagree with AOC... All those things must be true because it is someone's "truth." I'm sorry but it takes more than just "my truth" for something to be actually true.

AA pilots didn't die in the cockpit because a PR statement said they didn't; they either died or they did not. The FAA receives reporting on almost everything that happens in an airliner so it's not something that is behind a veil of secrecy; it can be verified. So is this true or not?


Because you're not paying attention.

https://www.oom2.com/t77530-american-airlines-flight-2740-why-vaxxed-pilots-should-not-fly

[SassyLady]

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ee2

I'm sorry but that is leftist pablum. It may be "his personal experience" and fenbenzandole may have been taken by someone who no longer has cancer but the one-year surivaval rate for pancreatic cancer is still 20%. If fenbendazole is an effective tool in fighting pancreatic cancer then people will do research and studies and its effectiveness willl be bourne out.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6966614/

But to say that my two friends were cured of cancer because of x is nowhere near truth in fighting cancer because the extension of "your truth" is that we just need to give all pancreatic cancer patients a dog-dewormer because it's "truth." The news is filled with post-modernist stories these days with people telling their "truth." A black person got a bad appraisal so it's their truth that the racist appraisal industry needs to change. Someone got triggered because someone else didn't wear a mask or take the covid precautions that they demand be in their field of vision. Kyle Rittenhouse is guilty because people don't understand the legal system. People are sexually frustrated when they disagree with AOC... All those things must be true because it is someone's "truth." I'm sorry but it takes more than just "my truth" for something to be actually true.

AA pilots didn't die in the cockpit because a PR statement said they didn't; they either died or they did not. The FAA receives reporting on almost everything that happens in an airliner so it's not something that is behind a veil of secrecy; it can be verified. So is this true or not?

Once again just because you personally have not experienced something or been told by an authority figure you assert it must not be true.

Have you heard of Joe Tippens? Here's an excerpt from his cancer survivor story.


The clinical trial ended in September 2017 and, therefore, I couldn't possibly be kicked off of it :)



So when my PET scan in September also turned up "all clear" (meaning I had most likely been all clear for 6 months), I decided it was time to "come clean" with my trusted oncologist (who I like and trust very much by the way).



But before disclosing everything to him, I decided I need to do a little "set up" first.



After he very excitedly told me the continued good news of being "all clear" for a second consecutive quarter, I asked him a "very loaded" question. I asked, "Doc, what is really going on here? Can you disclose to me how I am doing versus all of the other patients on the clinical trial with the exact same condition"?



His answer was what I already suspected. He said, "Joe we can't explain it, but you are kind of a sole data outlier right now" Meaning with hundreds of like kind patients, I was the only one with a cure. I knew then my other alternative regimen was largely responsible, but I decided to come clean anyway.



I said, "Doc, I'm glad you told me that about my results within the trial, because I have something to share with you". I proceeded to tell him all about the canine dewormer as I watched his jaw drop :)



His next words I'll never forget (and remember for context he and I had become good friends by this time). He said, "you little shit, I knew there was something up with you.....and....I've had some weird days here at MD Anderson, but this one probably tops them all"



His next sentence almost floored me. He said, "You know, we've known for decades that these anthelmintic class of drugs (meaning to destroy parasites in the intestines) could have possible efficacy against cancer, and in fact in the 80's and 90's there was a drug called Levamisole that was used on colon cancer and it is an anthelmintic drug".



I said, "Doc, if you have known for decades why hasn't more work been done on it?" His answer was honest. He said, "probably because of money...all of these drugs are far off-patent and nobody is going to spend a gazillion dollars to repurpose them for cancer.....only to have generic competition the next day."



I knew he was right.

https://www.mycancerstory.rocks/single-post/2016/08/22/shake-up-your-life-how-to-change-your-own-perspective


This was part of our research regarding fenbendazole and cancer. If you actually read the article you see that the doctor is from the MD Andersen cancer center. Tippens heard about using fenbendazole from a veterinarian friend ....
He told me a story of a scientist at Merck Animal Health (veterinary side of Merck) that had performed cancer research on mice by injecting different types of cancers into different mice body parts. And this scientist stumbled (trial and error) across a product in their canine product line that was batting 1.000 in killing these different cancers.



He told me that the scientist in question got diagnosed with 4th stage brain cancer and was told "no hope, 3 months to live". This person decided "what the heck" and started taking the canine medicine. Six weeks later, she was all clear.

Curing cancer is not a good business model and that's why you won't hear anything in "your" list of approved sources. Just like everyone is trying to shut down other uses for ivermectin, they've done the same for fenbendazole.

And, I'm OK with that. My family and friends know it works and it's cheap so we don't care if drug companies don't want to produce it as a cancer drug. No one could afford it if that happens.
@fj1200 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=728) ... let me know what you think after you read his story. There's many, many more besides his.

[revelarts]

At best it's anecdotal evidence. At worst it's misinformation.

At best you're in denial, at worse you're in denial.

[fj1200]

At best you're in denial, at worse you're in denial.

Show me. With evidence. Not someone's "truth."

[fj1200]

Once again just because you personally have not experienced something or been told by an authority figure you assert it must not be true.

Have you heard of Joe Tippens? Here's an excerpt from his cancer survivor story.



This was part of our research regarding fenbendazole and cancer. If you actually read the article you see that the doctor is from the MD Andersen cancer center. Tippens heard about using fenbendazole from a veterinarian friend ....

Curing cancer is not a good business model and that's why you won't hear anything in "your" list of approved sources. Just like everyone is trying to shut down other uses for ivermectin, they've done the same for fenbendazole.

And, I'm OK with that. My family and friends know it works and it's cheap so we don't care if drug companies don't want to produce it as a cancer drug. No one could afford it if that happens.
@fj1200 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=728) ... let me know what you think after you read his story. There's many, many more besides his.

You're avoiding the issue. I don't doubt that anyone has been cured of anything. In fact I linked to a study that reported positive results from treating pancreatic cancern with what you mentioned. I applaud research into fighting cancer and other diseases with whatever methods are possible. It doesn't look like they're shutting down PC related research and your charge of "approved sources" is complete BS. An "approved source" is one that tells me accurately whether a pilot died while flying or not.

What you're trying to pass off here is a completely different thing. I started this with expressing my "truth" that planes are not falling from the skies and you said I wasn't looking. Was the link you provided true or was it not? People being cured of cancer is not proof that planes are not falling out of the sky.

[fj1200]

I'm sorry but that is leftist pablum.

My apologies. I should have called this populist pablum.

[revelarts]

Show me. With evidence. Not someone's "truth."
You said it yourself it's anecdotal EVIDENCE.
presented by several people we have no good reason to think are mistaken or are lying.

It's seems clear YOU are the one that want's to maintain what you consider "truth" despite of evidence presented.

[fj1200]

You said it yourself it's anecdotal EVIDENCE.
presented by several people we have no good reason to think are mistaken or are lying.

It's seems clear YOU are the one that want's to maintain what you consider "truth" despite of evidence presented.

I'm sorry but there's "truth" which is "the quality or state of being true." And then there's the postmodernist "truth" which is apparently very subjective and very prevalent because everyone gets to have their own. I quoted the Erick Erickson piece which if you want to point out where he's wrong I'll gladly read it. But honestly, "truth" is being misdefined these days just like "racism" is being misdefined these days. I can't count how many times lately I've been accused of denying "truth" recently not to mention some BS about my "approved sources."

I have no problem with someone saying that they took X and now are no longer afflicted with Y but if that then becomes "truth," but in reality is not true, then I dispute the conclusion being made on the basis of it. Whether they're right or whether they're wrong gets bourne out by research and repeatable results.

And I'm not really sure why that is brought up in this thread in the first place. This thread is about the risk of pilots in flight. An example was presented as "truth" but in reality doesn't seem to have really occurred. Sassy's truth can be her friends were cured of cancer after taking fenbenzadole (sp?) but her truth is not some pilots died while piloting an airliner. That either happened or it didn't; And I've not seen any validation yet.

If you want to have a cancer thread about people being cured and new treatments being proposed then I will celebrate the miracles and demand the need for relaxed rules on experimental treatment with you. But here we're discussing vaccinated pilots. If you want to have a thread about whether government should require vaccinations I'll say that they shouldn't (though not sure about health care professionals) right alongside you. I'm pretty sure I haven't been on the side of demanding everyone where a mask. I'm also pretty sure I haven't been on the side of demanding lockdowns. I'm probably letting the globalists down but you know, can't please everyone.

[SassyLady]

I'm sorry but there's "truth" which is "the quality or state of being true." And then there's the postmodernist "truth" which is apparently very subjective and very prevalent because everyone gets to have their own. I quoted the Erick Erickson piece which if you want to point out where he's wrong I'll gladly read it. But honestly, "truth" is being misdefined these days just like "racism" is being misdefined these days. I can't count how many times lately I've been accused of denying "truth" recently not to mention some BS about my "approved sources."

I have no problem with someone saying that they took X and now are no longer afflicted with Y but if that then becomes "truth," but in reality is not true, then I dispute the conclusion being made on the basis of it. Whether they're right or whether they're wrong gets bourne out by research and repeatable results.

And I'm not really sure why that is brought up in this thread in the first place. This thread is about the risk of pilots in flight. An example was presented as "truth" but in reality doesn't seem to have really occurred. Sassy's truth can be her friends were cured of cancer after taking fenbenzadole (sp?) but her truth is not some pilots died while piloting an airliner. That either happened or it didn't; And I've not seen any validation yet.

If you want to have a cancer thread about people being cured and new treatments being proposed then I will celebrate the miracles and demand the need for relaxed rules on experimental treatment with you. But here we're discussing vaccinated pilots. If you want to have a thread about whether government should require vaccinations I'll say that they shouldn't (though not sure about health care professionals) right alongside you. I'm pretty sure I haven't been on the side of demanding everyone where a mask. I'm also pretty sure I haven't been on the side of demanding lockdowns. I'm probably letting the globalists down but you know, can't please everyone.

Wow ... I do believe this is the first time you've given so much info about what you believe without talking in circles. Thank you fj.

Pilots have died while flying.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/delta-airlines-pilot-dies-mid-flight-days-after-vaccination-report/

[fj1200]

Wow ... I do believe this is the first time you've given so much info about what you believe without talking in circles. Thank you fj.

Pilots have died while flying.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/delta-airlines-pilot-dies-mid-flight-days-after-vaccination-report/

You're welcome. It's not, but you're welcome.

Delta says it didn't happen. The FAA says it didn't happen. American Airlines says their pilots didn't die while flying either. Why are these sources better than the airlines? Why are these sources better than the FAA? Has anyone submitted a FOIA request to the FAA yet?

[SassyLady]

You're welcome. It's not, but you're welcome.

Delta says it didn't happen. The FAA says it didn't happen. American Airlines says their pilots didn't die while flying either. Why are these sources better than the airlines? Why are these sources better than the FAA? Has anyone submitted a FOIA request to the FAA yet?

Why do you believe the FAA and AA and not the whistleblowers who witnessed the event?


Without revealing the identities of the whistleblowers, Ruby affirmed she had “vetted” the sources and confirmed their claims. She said her three sources are a Delta Airlines pilot, a Delta Airlines flight attendant who witnessed the event, and a relative of a Delta Airlines employee.
Continuing in her explanation of the events reported to her by the whistleblowing attendant, the deceased pilot was “an LAX based Captain” and the “plane was landed safely” but she is uncertain what explanation, if any, the passengers were given as to why their flight was diverted.
According to Ruby, the flight attendant was told by the co-pilot that the now-deceased captain had “completed his second shot” just “several days prior” to the tragic event.

[fj1200]

Why do you believe the FAA and AA and not the whistleblowers who witnessed the event?


Without revealing the identities of the whistleblowers,

Do I believe unidentified whistleblowers with no details as to the flight number, captain's name, date of the flight, copies of affidavits, etc. Or do I believe the reporting structures of one of the most highly regulated industries in the country?

My mind is boggled why you put so much faith in the unknown when there is so much that is known. You would NEVER accept that sort of reporting from the main stream media.

[SassyLady]

Do I believe unidentified whistleblowers with no details as to the flight number, captain's name, date of the flight, copies of affidavits, etc. Or do I believe the reporting structures of one of the most highly regulated industries in the country?

My mind is boggled why you put so much faith in the unknown when there is so much that is known. You would NEVER accept that sort of reporting from the main stream media.

I really don't accept any reporting from MSM anymore. And, I question when so much effort goes into suppressing info instead of allowing questioning everything. Make all info available and let the people decide what to believe or not. The MSM telling me what to believe is just propaganda.

I mean, after all, the most regulated industry denied UFOs existed when the pilots would report sightings. Now the Pentagon has UFO task force. At some point you have to believe these agencies are just blowing smoke up you know where.

[fj1200]

I really don't accept any reporting from MSM anymore. And, I question when so much effort goes into suppressing info instead of allowing questioning everything. Make all info available and let the people decide what to believe or not. The MSM telling me what to believe is just propaganda.

I mean, after all, the most regulated industry denied UFOs existed when the pilots would report sightings. Now the Pentagon has UFO task force. At some point you have to believe these agencies are just blowing smoke up you know where.

That is sad. Based on the sort of thing that you've been posting and accepting as true lately I find that completely ridiculous. I would hope that you never use the word "truth" again because you have no basis for determining what is true and what is not true because you've shut yourself off from the vast majority of information sources that we have in this country. There is also no need for you to engage in debate here anymore as there will be no common set of facts upon which to form the basis for agreement or disagreement. Perhaps Jim can create a fingers-in-ears subforum where other posters can be forewarned that alternate sources of information and viewpoint contrary to the OP will not be accepted.

[SassyLady]

That is sad. Based on the sort of thing that you've been posting and accepting as true lately I find that completely ridiculous. I would hope that you never use the word "truth" again because you have no basis for determining what is true and what is not true because you've shut yourself off from the vast majority of information sources that we have in this country. There is also no need for you to engage in debate here anymore as there will be no common set of facts upon which to form the basis for agreement or disagreement. Perhaps Jim can create a fingers-in-ears subforum where other posters can be forewarned that alternate sources of information and viewpoint contrary to the OP will not be accepted.

Talk about fingers in ears ... you are adamantly against any source that doesn't conform with your "truth".

I didn't say I don't read MSM ... just that I don't accept their premise without question. The fact that you do means you must be part of the mass formation psychosis that MSM and social media is using. I hope you're able to break free from that soon fj1200. When major sources of facts are being censored it will have a tendency to narrow opinions down to a limited few.

And, I would never suggest there is no place here for you and your opinions.

Some things will always be a lie even if everyone believes it to be true and some things will always be the truth even if everyone believes it's a lie. The number of available sources doesn't make it true or false.

[fj1200]

Talk about fingers in ears ... you are adamantly against any source that doesn't conform with your "truth".

I didn't say I don't read MSM ... just that I don't accept their premise without question. The fact that you do means you must be part of the mass formation psychosis that MSM and social media is using. I hope you're able to break free from that soon fj1200. When major sources of facts are being censored it will have a tendency to narrow opinions down to a limited few.

And, I would never suggest there is no place here for you and your opinions.

Some things will always be a lie even if everyone believes it to be true and some things will always be the truth even if everyone believes it's a lie. The number of available sources doesn't make it true or false.

You said, "I really don't accept any reporting from MSM anymore." That's not a matter of just not accepting a premise without question; it goes beyond that from my reading. I've never said I'm adamantly opposed to any source nor have I said I don't accept information from anyone anymore; you could point out where I have. I've read many things that have been posted, in this thread specifically, and decided that the airlines and the FAA stating that something didn't happen holds more weight than taking someone's word to the veracity of a story which is utterly lacking in detail. You asked why I don't take the word of an eyewitness over the airline/FAA? As far as I've seen that eyewitness has not been identified nor any basic facts of the event in question. The question to me is why you would believe your source in this scenario? You're accepting of information from sources that by any measure are providing less supportable information than the MSM from whom you won't "accept any reporting."

I ddn't say this was no place for your opinions, only that this was no place for you to come to debate. There's a difference. Additionally, I don't accept anyone's premise without question because apparently I'm a natural born contrarian as I think many have accused me of here. :) But I do agree with one thing you said; true sources are true; the trick is figuring out what is true.

But back to this thread; the only real question is whether pilots are dying while flying. So far there has been no confirmation that they are.

[SassyLady]

But back to this thread; the only real question is whether pilots are dying while flying. So far there has been no confirmation that they are.
Says your source. My source says they did.

Agree to disagree.

[fj1200]

Says your source. My source says they did.

Agree to disagree.

I guess. But your position is not rational.

[SassyLady]

I guess. But your position is not rational.

Yeah, I'm not easily programmable.

[fj1200]

Yeah, I'm not easily programmable.

:laugh: You mean deprogrammed. You've got the MFP bad.

[revelarts]

I guess. But your position is not rational.
FJ, Her position is rational.
there's evidence for it, you just don't like it.

just like there was evidence for the Rona coming from a lab but the MSM and "reasonable people" claimed others were irrational conspiracy theorist for even mentioning it.
But finally MORE evidence has come out... really the evidence that was there all along has just been more widely decimated.

How many times will this have to happen before people start to get the idea.
the MSM, the gov'ts and the corporations don't give up bad news if they don't have to.
and often the truth comes out a window or side door from people who don't necessarily LOOK RIGHT, but have the factual info.

the "sex worker" at a murder trail may not be the IDEAL witness but that doesn't mean she didn't take cell phone video of the murder.

[fj1200]

FJ, Her position is rational.
there's evidence for it, you just don't like it.

just like there was evidence for the Rona coming from a lab but the MSM and "reasonable people" claimed others were irrational conspiracy theorist for even mentioning it.
But finally MORE evidence has come out... really the evidence that was there all along has just been more widely decimated.

How many times will this have to happen before people start to get the idea.
the MSM, the gov'ts and the corporations don't give up bad news if they don't have to.
and often the truth comes out a window or side door from people who don't necessarily LOOK RIGHT, but have the factual info.

the "sex worker" at a murder trail may not be the IDEAL witness but that doesn't mean she didn't take cell phone video of the murder.

There is no evidence at this point that proves that pilots are dying while flying. There is hearsay. And not hearsay from a reliable source IMO. To take this stance on the MSM and then buying into these alternative news sources with questionable backgrounds and track records is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. No one here is arguing that the MSM gets it right all of the time but to take select instances as evidence for the whole and basing your position on the outliers is flat wrong.

[SassyLady]

There is no evidence at this point that proves that pilots are dying while flying. There is hearsay. And not hearsay from a reliable source IMO. To take this stance on the MSM and then buying into these alternative news sources with questionable backgrounds and track records is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. No one here is arguing that the MSM gets it right all of the time but to take select instances as evidence for the whole and basing your position on the outliers is flat wrong.
And you are flat wrong on discounting alternative sources of informative just because you listen to fact checkers, MSM, corporate PR statements, etc. Instead of the copilot and flight attendants.

[fj1200]

And you are flat wrong on discounting alternative sources of informative just because you listen to fact checkers, MSM, corporate PR statements, etc. Instead of the copilot and flight attendants.

As soon as you can provide me the names of the pilot, copilot, flight attendants, and details of the flight in question then they will be summarily discounted less. What I listen to are things that can be verified.

[SassyLady]

As soon as you can provide me the names of the pilot, copilot, flight attendants, and details of the flight in question then they will be summarily discounted less. What I listen to are things that can be verified.

Do you require identities of all whistleblowers before you believe?

[icansayit]

Why do you need to continue to argue Fj? Are you being disturbed that your man/womanhood is somehow threatened by Sassy?

Ever heard the expression? "Just let it go?" That would be the KINDER, more GENTLER way to show your Man/Womanhood...IMO of course.

So now. You can tell me to MIND MY OWN BUSINESS...Which I am as long as I am reading your posts here on DP.

[SassyLady]

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[fj1200]

Do you require identities of all whistleblowers before you believe?

Hmm, good question. I wouldn't think it would be necessary when there is at least some shred of evidence that an event has at least occurred. But why wouldn't someone come forward to the press? I mean, this is blockbuster type stuff. You want to bring forth the truth of the vaccines being more dangerous than the disease right? Surely, there is no reason to sit on something this groundbreaking. If the people who know aren't knocking on the doors of the MSM as we speak then they will have blood on their hands when the next pilot dies while he flies. Why is this not coming out? So far in this thread there have been 3 commercial pilots, allegedly, that have had some sort of event while they've been flying and it's been tied, allegedly, to the vaccine and so far none of it has made to the evening news. Surely at least the people at Fox and OANN will take this ladies call, have on these brave whistleblowers. Hannity who believes anything will get this lady on this afternoon on the radio, tonight on TV, again tomorrow,, tomorrow night....

WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLES LIVES ARE AT STAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Even the lady from the OP has gotten a forum with a Senator or two. Vaxxers flied and people died.