Mohamed Noor's murder verdict reversed

[JakeStarkey]

Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor's murder verdict reversed over Justine Damond Ruszczyk's death

I agree. I think the verdict was too strenuous. If it turns out so, he could be out for time served.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/mohamed-noor-minneapolis-shooting-justine-damond-ruszczyk/100465680

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[Gunny]

It was after 11 on a sweltering evening when Justine heard what she thought sounded like a sexual assault in the laneway behind her house.
Worried, she phoned Don in Las Vegas. The couple agreed Justine should call 911.
"I'm not sure if she's having sex or being raped," she told the 911 operator, "But I don't think she's enjoying it."
The noises continued and when there was no sign of a police car by 11:35pm, she called again.


When the squad car arrived and drove down the laneway, she took the fateful decision to leave the house and approach the officers inside the car.
"I can only suppose that she came out of the house and realising that the police car had gone past the site of the incident, that she walked up to the police car," John said.
"And for some unknown reason, a man shot and killed her."
For Don Damond, waiting to hear back from her in a Las Vegas hotel room, the news when it arrived was incomprehensible.


:rolleyes:

[SassyLady]

Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor's murder verdict reversed over Justine Damond Ruszczyk's death

I agree. I think the verdict was too strenuous. If it turns out so, he could be out for time served.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/mohamed-noor-minneapolis-shooting-justine-damond-ruszczyk/100465680

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Wait .. a black cop murders an unarmed white woman and it's OK?

But not if a white cop kills a black, career criminal?

What makes them different Jake?

[JakeStarkey]

Talk to the jury, sassy.

You do agree that Noor should have been convicted, do you not?

[SassyLady]

Talk to the jury, sassy.

You do agree that Noor should have been convicted, do you not?
Answering a question with a question Jake?

You answer mine and then I'll answer yours. But you're not really interested in my view, are you.

[JakeStarkey]

I answered. Talk to the jury. I agree that the crime was not murder.

[SassyLady]

I answered. Talk to the jury. I agree that the crime was not murder.
Justified execution? Of a good Samaritan?

[Gunny]

I answered. Talk to the jury. I agree that the crime was not murder.The jury said it was murder and locked him up. It was overturned by a group of political appointees called a "court".

The woman is dead. Shot dead by a police officer. There is no reason whatsoever that she should be shot dead by a police officer. None.

The issue I see here is what they are calling "murder". At a minimum, this would be negligent homicide, among other charges, here. I've seen this issue come up before with laws that don't fit the crime, so the crime gets thrown out, not the law.

Unsat.

[JakeStarkey]

Justified execution? Of a good Samaritan?

No. Noor acted criminally, but I don't think it was murder. The sadness is the lady was trying to do good on a situation she did not understand.

[SassyLady]

No. Noor acted criminally, but I don't think it was murder. The sadness is the lady was trying to do good on a situation she did not understand.

Regardless, he should still be in jail.

[JakeStarkey]

Regardless, he should still be in jail.

That will be up to the judge. Personally, I think another five to ten years would be appropriate.

[fj1200]

No. Noor acted criminally, but I don't think it was murder. The sadness is the lady was trying to do good on a situation she did not understand.

I think the question you're not answering is why the seeming discrepancy between white-on-black officer shootings and black-on-white officer shootings.


Regardless, he should still be in jail.

Doesn't seem like murder fits and the manslaughter penalty is almost paid if he gets the max. It was pretty hard to find what actually happened...


On the night of the shooting, Damond called 9-1-1 at 11:27 pm and again at 11:35 pm.[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-22) She reported that she thought she heard a woman either having sex or being raped.[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-23) Dispatchers categorized the call as "unknown trouble: female screaming"—a relatively low priority. Officers Noor and Harrity responded to the low-crime neighborhood of Fulton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton,_Minneapolis), in southwestern Minneapolis, drove their police Ford Explorer with lights off through the alley[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-SingleShot-24) and found no suspects or signs of the suspected rape that had prompted Damond's calls.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-25)As the officers prepared to leave, Noor "entered 'Code Four' into the cruiser's computer, meaning the scene was safe".[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-SingleShot-24) Harrity would later indicate "that he was startled by a loud sound near the squad" and, just then, Damond approached the police car's driver-side window.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-LoudNoise-26) Harrity drew his weapon, but pointed it downward and did not fire.[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-Forliti-27) Noor, however, fired once through the open window, fatally striking an unarmed and barefoot Damond in the abdomen.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-SingleShot-24)[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-LoudNoise-26) The officers attempted CPR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPR) to no avail; Damond died 20 minutes later.[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-smh.com.au-28) Harrity later told a supervisor "We both got spooked."[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-SingleShot-24)
At Noor's trial, Harrity testified of hearing "something hit the car and I also hear some sort of murmur" and that he feared an "ambush" but deemed it "premature" to use deadly force.[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-Forliti-27) Noor testified that he did not see Damond's hand or any object in it, but nonetheless believed that his partner "feared for his life" and "there was a threat".[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-29) The prosecutors presented evidence that Damond's fingerprints were not on the police car, suggesting she had never made contact with it, and called two expert witnesses on police use of force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_force), who testified that Noor's decision to shoot was unreasonable.[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-30)
Both officers had their body cameras (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_camera) switched off.[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-31) Minneapolis introduced police body cameras in 2016, but their activation was not mandatory in all situations.[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-32) No audio or video recordings captured the killing,[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-SingleShot-24) although a 16-year-old bicyclist took cell-phone video of the scene after the shooting.[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond#cite_note-33)

[SassyLady]

I think the question you're not answering is why the seeming discrepancy between white-on-black officer shootings and black-on-white officer shootings.



Doesn't seem like murder fits and the manslaughter penalty is almost paid if he gets the max. It was pretty hard to find what actually happened...

I believe there is a disparity between reporting and outrage when whites kill blacks, as opposed to when blacks kill white.

The officer made a mistake. The fact that he's black should make no difference, but it did.

[fj1200]

I believe there is a disparity between reporting and outrage when whites kill blacks, as opposed to when blacks kill white.

The officer made a mistake. The fact that he's black should make no difference, but it did.

I think so too. But I don't think his race made a difference in his 2nd degree murder conviction being overturned.