14K Vaccinated People With Breakthrough COVID Cases Have Been Hospitalized or Died

[jimnyc]

Another story, this one from Newsweek.

The other side of the coin, but those who shot down the CDC as a source of lies, probably shouldn't trust this one either.

This is a concern for sure. What is the connection, if any? I saw some stories of the breakthrough cases more prevalent among the elderly, but the ages would be needed here for comparison.

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Over 14K Vaccinated People With Breakthrough COVID Cases Have Been Hospitalized or Died

More than 14,000 vaccinated people in the U.S. have suffered severe illness from a breakthrough coronavirus infection.

As of September 7, at least 11,440 people who had a breakthrough case have been hospitalized and another 2,674 people who had a breakthrough infection have died, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Of these figures, 25 percent of breakthrough hospitalizations and 21 percent of breakthrough deaths were among asymptomatic individuals, or their hospital admission or death was not related to COVID-19, although they tested positive for the coronavirus.

The figures may be even higher, as only 49 states are reporting breakthrough counts to the CDC at this time.

Last week, a new CDC study found that the highly contagious Delta variant has caused more severe breakthrough cases than officials had expected.

The latest data from the CDC also shows the impact that the Delta variant is having on the nation. The predominant strain has rapidly driven up the number of severe cases from a breakthrough infection.

Data collected by The New York Times in August shows that in just a month, the number of breakthrough hospitalizations had risen by roughly 3,600, and the number of breakthrough deaths had gone up another 1,000.

Breakthrough COVID-19 infections are also showing to have more adverse outcomes for older people, who were previously more susceptible to severe illness.

Rest - https://www.newsweek.com/over-14k-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-covid-cases-have-been-hospitalized-died-1628508

[Black Diamond]

I... Wonder if they have the delta variant. Bet the overwhelming majority have it. I fear there will be a new variant every year and they will have to guess which strain as it were to cover with shots. Assuming they can develop them.

[jimnyc]

I... Wonder if they have the delta variant.

Could be the delta, comorbidities, age & it could be the vaccine. Who the hell knows for sure, especially when surrounded by lies.

[Black Diamond]

Could be the delta, comorbidities, age & it could be the vaccine. Who the hell knows for sure, especially when surrounded by lies.

Yeah see that's the problem. Supposedly they find out if it's the delta variant at a lab as opposed to being able to identity it right away.

[jimnyc]

Yeah see that's the problem. Supposedly they find out if it's the delta variant at a lab as opposed to being able to identity it right away.

Could perhaps also even be other unidentified mutant strains out there.

[Black Diamond]

Could be the delta, comorbidities, age & it could be the vaccine. Who the hell knows for sure, especially when surrounded by lies.

Comorbidities is key and always has been. I don't know about the long term effects of the vaccine and no one really does.

[fj1200]

Could be the delta, comorbidities, age & it could be the vaccine. Who the hell knows for sure, especially when surrounded by lies.

Lies or what people have already predetermined to be lies.


Comorbidities is key and always has been. I don't know about the long term effects of the vaccine and no one really does.

Not sure why people are concerned about long term effects of the vaccine when we're not really concerned about long term effects of other vaccines.

[Kathianne]

Lies or what people have already predetermined to be lies.



Not sure why people are concerned about long term effects of the vaccine when we're not really concerned about long term effects of other vaccines.

Some really are 'anti-vax'. MMR and lie that it was tied to autism. That's why so many PhD folks started down that road. Truth is, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, they did read about retraction and how Lancet admitted to not vetting the article. Yet, they chose to bet on herd effect, which we are just approaching now regarding Covid, with natural immunity numbers rising.

[Gunny]

Comorbidities is key and always has been. I don't know about the long term effects of the vaccine and no one really does.We do not know the long term effects of this vaccine.

What we DO know is it was created the same way every other vaccine has been. On behalf of every other vaccine I have had in my life, I have never caught a single one of the viruses. (So far :)) Nor have I known anyone to besides the "usual suspects" who always claim the flu shot gives them the flu. Not saying they don't exist. I think in terms of if there is a .0 in front of the chances of things going awry, you're either safe enough or unlucky as Hell enough to be a ".0".

And seriously, for some, will there EVER be enough time that will satisfy? I think no.

[Surf Fishing Guru]

What we DO know is it was created the same way every other vaccine has been

Not true for Pfizer and Moderna, they are completely synthetic messenger RNA (mRNA) therapies . . . They are not really vaccines as we understand them, employing a weakened, dead or inactivated infectious agent / pathogen that the body sees and creates various immunities to combat.

That's the biggest difference . . . Regular vaccines create a wide response in the body, cell-mediated immunity and humoral immunity. Humoral immunity relies on quick response, specific components flowing through the plasma, such as antibodies. Cellular immunity is long-lasing, it is the life-long blueprint for the body to react to pathogens. This is commonly referred to as T-cell immunity; it is not controlled by antibodies and is instead mediated directly by immune cells.

Vaccines that employ deactivated virus offer these wide immune responses as does natural immunity.

OTOH, mRNA "vaccines" trick the body to react to an artificial "spike protein" in the shot and create antibodies. Problem is, this isn't the real virus so it only causes a narrow antibody reaction that doesn't really act to kill the entire pathogen.

This is why we are seeing evidence of "leakiness", vaccine resistant mutations in variations, (especially in Delta and now Lamda and Mu) from antigenic or immune escape (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00573-0). . . . Hence the increased infection rate in "vaccinated" people and their increased carrier potential. The variations aren't the immediate danger, mutations in a variant, especially when we get into the 4th generation, are the danger because the mRNA "vaccines" just aren't agile enough to keep up.

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[Gunny]

Not true for Pfizer and Moderna, they are completely synthetic messenger RNA (mRNA) therapies . . . They are not really vaccines as we understand them, employing a weakened, dead or inactivated infectious agent / pathogen that the body sees and creates various immunities to combat.

That's the biggest difference . . . Regular vaccines create a wide response in the body, cell-mediated immunity and humoral immunity. Humoral immunity relies on quick response, specific components flowing through the plasma, such as antibodies. Cellular immunity is long-lasing, it is the life-long blueprint for the body to react to pathogens. This is commonly referred to as T-cell immunity; it is not controlled by antibodies and is instead mediated directly by immune cells.

Vaccines that employ deactivated virus offer these wide immune responses as does natural immunity.

OTOH, mRNA "vaccines" trick the body to react to an artificial "spike protein" in the shot and create antibodies. Problem is, this isn't the real virus so it only causes a narrow antibody reaction that doesn't really act to kill the entire pathogen.

This is why we are seeing evidence of "leakiness", vaccine resistant mutations in variations, (especially in Delta and now Lamda and Mu) from antigenic or immune escape (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00573-0). . . . Hence the increased infection rate in "vaccinated" people and their increased carrier potential. The variations aren't the immediate danger, mutations in a variant, especially when we get into the 4th generation, are the danger because the mRNA "vaccines" just aren't agile enough to keep up.

.I did not know that. I can't recall who, why or where I was led to believe it was a live/dead virus vaccine. I could've assumed it. It does answer a few questions I've had about the vaccine. Especially concerning limited effectiveness and it appears to not last very long since they're already talking 3rd booster. And yes, I'm a little less comfortable knowing it's a synth now.

For me, it doesn't change anything. My decision to get it is based on my circumstances. If I was off by myself perhaps I would think otherwise.

Don't suppose there's any real particular reason these folk haven't worked on a live/dead virus vaccine instead of whipping one up in the bathtub?

[fj1200]

Don't suppose there's any real particular reason these folk haven't worked on a live/dead virus vaccine instead of whipping one up in the bathtub?

Speed to market.

[Gunny]

Speed to market.Based on SFG's post, they best get a sense of urgency. Sounds like we got about as much time on this vaccine as takes the virus to end-around it.

[fj1200]

Based on SFG's post, they best get a sense of urgency. Sounds like we got about as much time on this vaccine as takes the virus to end-around it.

As I understand it they can manipulate the mRNA much more quickly than they can with traditional vaccines. There's no chance we'd be this far along trying to do it the traditional way.

[Gunny]

As I understand it they can manipulate the mRNA much more quickly than they can with traditional vaccines. There's no chance we'd be this far along trying to do it the traditional way.

As I am understanding it, the synth cannot manipulate itself. It's locked in. The virus on the other hand can do whatever it wants. Meaning, it can mutate completely around the synthetic's limited scope. To combat that, you are stating "they" can manipulate the vaccine". To play catch up with the actual virus?

That sounds like a LOT of shots to keep up with a mutating virus. Where does that end? Or does it?

[Black Diamond]

As I am understanding it, the synth cannot manipulate itself. It's locked in. The virus on the other hand can do whatever it wants. Meaning, it can mutate completely around the synthetic's limited scope. To combat that, you are stating "they" can manipulate the vaccine". To play catch up with the actual virus?

That sounds like a LOT of shots to keep up with a mutating virus. Where does that end? Or does it?
How many different flu shots are there?

[Gunny]

How many different flu shots are there?One that I am aware of. For those who get one, you get it at the start of flu season, once a year.

For the purposes of today's political climate, it is completely voluntary, and nobody gives a crap whether you get one of not. Except the US Navy. The US Navy makes sure that no matter where you are (trying to hide), all Marines and Sailors get theirs :laugh:

[jimnyc]

One that I am aware of. For those who get one, you get it at the start of flu season, once a year.

For the purposes of today's political climate, it is completely voluntary, and nobody gives a crap whether you get one of not. Except the US Navy. The US Navy makes sure that no matter where you are (trying to hide), all Marines and Sailors get theirs :laugh:

A different one every year. :(

[Gunny]

A different one every year. :(In perspective: think a different one with every variant re: covid

[fj1200]

As I am understanding it, the synth cannot manipulate itself. It's locked in. The virus on the other hand can do whatever it wants. Meaning, it can mutate completely around the synthetic's limited scope. To combat that, you are stating "they" can manipulate the vaccine". To play catch up with the actual virus?

That sounds like a LOT of shots to keep up with a mutating virus. Where does that end? Or does it?

I don't think any vaccine can manipulate itself so it's not really different in that respect. But "they," the sciencey people, can manipulate the mRNA vaccine more quickly than they would be able to do with a traditional vaccine. From what I understand the vaccine has been surprisingly resilient against the new variants but I'd imagine that there's a limit to how far it could go.


How many different flu shots are there?


In perspective: think a different one with every variant re: covid

A new one every year but they create it based on what is happening in South America??? and a prediction on what the flu will actually be in any given year. Apparently the new flu virus comes from a combination of the flu floating around in pig, bird, and people populations and can combine very easily in different permutations. The advantage with covid is that we have the actual gene sequencing to work with from which to design the vaccine. Not so much with the yearly flu variants. That's what a virologist friend of mine who happens to work at the CDC was trying to explain so discount whatever I just typed based on my memory from 3 weeks ago. :eek: