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Gunny
08-03-2021, 09:15 AM
Less about the Olympics and more about Chinese nationalism. Informative as far as the nationalist "mood" in China. While an official tries to buffer it as to it being a small, vocal minority, think about where we see and hear that daily, just not in a nationalist vein. Yet.

The pressure on Chinese athletes to perform has never been higher. Anything less than a gold is being seen as athletes being unpatriotic by furious nationalists online. The BBC's Waiyee Yip reports.
China's mixed doubles table tennis team made a tearful apology at the Tokyo Olympics last week - for winning a silver medal.
"I feel like I've failed the team... I'm sorry everyone," Liu Shiwen said, bowing in apology, tears welling in her eyes.



Her partner, Xu Xin, added: "The whole country was looking forward to this final. I think the entire Chinese team cannot accept this result."
Their finals loss against Japan in a sport they usually dominate had left many online furious.
On microblogging platform Weibo, some "keyboard warriors" attacked the pair, saying they had "failed the nation".
Others made unsubstantiated claims of referee bias towards Japan's Jun Mizutani and Mima Ito.


As nationalist fever continues to sweep the country, racking up the Olympic medal tally has become much more than just sporting glory.
For the ultra-nationalist crowd, losing an Olympic medal is akin to being "unpatriotic", experts told the BBC.
"To these people, Olympic medal tables are real-time trackers of national prowess and, by extension, of national dignity," said Dr Florian Schneider, director of the Netherlands' Leiden Asia Centre.
"In that context, someone who fails at a competition against foreigners has let down or even betrayed the nation."
The table tennis match was an especially bitter pill to swallow because it had been a loss to Japan, with which China shares a tumultuous history.
Japan's occupation of Manchuria in northern China in 1931 before a wider war began six years later, killed millions of Chinese. It is still a sore point between the two nations.

To Chinese nationalists, then, the match was not just an athletic event, Dr Schneider said. "It's a stand-off between China and Japan."
Anti-Japanese sentiments on Weibo ran high throughout the match, as users called Mizutani and Ito all manners of names.
But it's not just Japan - or table tennis.
China's Li Junhui and Liu Yuchen were targeted online when they lost their badminton doubles final to Taiwan.
"Are you guys not awake? You didn't put in any effort at all. What crap!" one Weibo user said.

Tensions between China and Taiwan have soared in recent years (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34729538?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Byahoo.north.america%5D-%5Blink%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D).
China sees Taiwan as a breakaway province, but many Taiwanese people disagree and want a separate nation.
Other targeted athletes included sharpshooter Yang Qian - despite her taking the Tokyo Games' first gold medal (https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/57952436?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Byahoo.north.america%5D-%5Blink%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D).
Her downfall? An old Weibo post where she had showed off her Nike shoe collection.
People were not pleased, given how the brand is among those boycotted for its pledge to stop using Xinjiang cotton over forced labour concerns (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56519411?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Byahoo.north.america%5D-%5Blink%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D).
"As a Chinese athlete, why do you have to collect Nike shoes? Shouldn't you lead the way in boycotting Nike?" one comment read.
Yang has since deleted the post.

Her teammate Wang Luyao also faced anger when she failed to make a spot in the women's 10m air rifle final.
"Did we send you to the Olympics to represent the country just to be weak?" one comment said.
Criticism of her was so overwhelming that Weibo suspended the accounts of some 33 users (https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1229594.shtml), local media said.
'Little pinks'Given the competitive nature of the Olympics, people getting upset over any losses is, of course, hardly unique to China.
In Singapore, star swimmer Joseph Schooling received harsh trolling after failing to defend his 100m butterfly crown last week.
The censure got so vile that several government leaders, including President Halimah Yacob, came out calling for support for him.
But the outrage seen online in China is arguably more pronounced, and not just because its population is massive and internet-savvy.
"The so-called 'little pinks', or youngsters with strong nationalist feelings, have a disproportionate voice online," said Dr Jonathan Hassid, a political science expert at Iowa State University.
"In part, this voice is amplified because legitimate criticism of the state is increasingly unacceptable."
Nationalism in China has risen sharply in recent years as its global influence grows and any international criticisms are seen as attempts to target its development.
The Olympics also came hot on the heels of the China Communist Party's (CCP's) 100th anniversary celebrations on 1 July, where President Xi Jinping made a defiant speech about how China would never be "bullied" by foreign powers.


China won't be bullied, says Xi on 100th anniversary (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57648236?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Byahoo.north.america%5D-%5Blink%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D)

How to handle the China Communist Party at 100 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57666650?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Byahoo.north.america%5D-%5Blink%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D)

"The authorities have flagged nationalism as the correct way to understand current affairs, and now citizens are turning to that framework when they need to make sense of China's role in the world," Dr Schneider said.
"The Chinese public have been told that national success matters, and now Chinese athletes must deliver this success in Tokyo."

Dr Schneider and other experts noted however, that these angry reactionary nationalists most likely do not represent the Chinese majority.
Dr Hassid said: "If the only voices consistently allowed are the loudest nationalists, we should not be surprised that their voices can dominate online discussion far out of proportion to their actual numbers."
Amid the outrage seen on Weibo, there was also wide support for Team China, with some calling out the trolls for being "unreasonable".
State media also called on the public to be more "rational".
"I hope that all of us in front of the screen will establish a rational view of gold medals, and of victory and defeat, to enjoy ... the Olympic spirit," a Xinhua News Agency commentary said.
Experts say this is indicative of where the "danger" lies - when nationalism appears to have gone too far, even for the state.
"The CCP tries to exploit online nationalism for its own purposes, but events like this show that once Chinese citizens get riled up, the state has great difficulty in controlling these feelings," Dr Hassid said.
"Exploiting nationalist sentiment is like riding a tiger. Once on board, it is difficult to control and hard to get off."
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Gunny
08-03-2021, 02:31 PM
Just read this: The IOC is questioning China's Olympic committee after two of its medalists showed up on the podium wear Mao pins.

Political gestures on the podium are not allowed. That would be the end of it for me except:

Raven Saunders, a gay, black shot putter for the US with rings hanging out her nose and two-tone hair just had to make an "x" gesture with her arms yesterday on the podium as "a sign of solidarity with all oppressed people :rolleyes: , with 2 Chinese athletes on the podium.

The mistake, IMO, here is the IOC chose not to punish Saunders. Way to open the door. Can't say much to China without being hypocrites on the World stage.

Juicer66
08-04-2021, 04:23 AM
Meanwhile among the bigger nations , Australia and GB smash the medal's table leading by a country mile on a population basis . Putting nations like China

and America to shame .


With the Oz team anchored in top UK convict stock, this looks like a runaway romp of British dominance .Again .

Gunny
08-04-2021, 10:59 AM
Meanwhile among the bigger nations , Australia and GB smash the medal's table leading by a country mile on a population basis . Putting nations like China

and America to shame .


With the Oz team anchored in top UK convict stock, this looks like a runaway romp of British dominance .Again .Who cares?

Meanwhile, population is irrelevant. Each Nation, big or small is allowed to send the same number of athletes.

Juicer66
08-04-2021, 11:29 AM
[QUOTE=Gunny;984934]Who cares?

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Naturally Americans like you hate it. And I understand that having a powerhouse like the UK, but with 5-6 times fewer people, give you a good pro rata pasting is mortifying .

Things have generally gone badly for America since WW2 . Not a single military victory . And the latest debacle , with you creeping away from Afghanistan , obviously hurt badly .

Perhaps you need a few of our top people to help you find confidence and get back to winning ways .

Certainly things look particularly messy right now and your team captain is hopeless .That fellow Trump is the type to make america great again .

LongTermGuy
08-04-2021, 10:05 PM
[QUOTE=Gunny;984934]Who cares?

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Naturally Americans like you hate it. And I understand that having a powerhouse like the UK, but with 5-6 times fewer people, give you a good pro rata pasting is mortifying .

Things have generally gone badly for America since WW2 . Not a single military victory . And the latest debacle , with you creeping away from Afghanistan , obviously hurt badly .

Perhaps you need a few of our top people to help you find confidence and get back to winning ways .

Certainly things look particularly messy right now and your team captain is hopeless .That fellow Trump is the type to make america great again .



After 1945..America could of won any war they wanted to..We could of Nuked them all..America choose Not to..but if .."they" the enemy..had Nukes.. they would of used them...and yeah.."That fellow Trump" could of made America better..

...Thing is we had a stolen election...Lots of shit going on right now in America..and were trying to get it right by defeating the Cancer of communism which plagues "US" Now...

**Enough with the hate America stuff...But..You post some good stuff also...Can we just enjoy the pro-America good stuff? We hear enough of the negative crap from the communist / Leftist...we dont want or need any more...
Your choice...I hope its good...

Juicer66
08-05-2021, 05:48 AM
[QUOTE=Juicer66;984939]

After 1945..America could of won any war they wanted to..We could of Nuked them all..America choose Not to..but if .."they" the enemy..had Nukes.. they would of used them...and yeah.."That fellow Trump" could of made America better..

...Thing is we had a stolen election...Lots of shit going on right now in America..and were trying to get it right by defeating the Cancer of communism which plagues "US" Now...

**Enough with the hate America stuff...But..You post some good stuff also...Can we just enjoy the pro-America good stuff? We hear enough of the negative crap from the communist / Leftist...we dont want or need any more...
Your choice...I hope its good...




You might be surprised to hear me tell you that I am a million miles from being anti US .In principle .

However , I do think you are riddled with corruption in both parties and throughout Government , and you are in such a mess that you could be a third rate world power soon .Literal bankruptcy could bring you down , possibly even this year .
The fraudulent election is just a huge symptom of the malaise and I watch with interest to see whether 'You" retain sufficient strength to knock back those US factions of the Deep State that have allied themselves with foreign interests , and most obviously those of the CCP .Almighty Treason no less .

On best estimates China and Russia would easily decimate you in non nuclear war presently , both through DEW and manoeuvrable Hyper Missiles .But your real and immediate enemy is internal via the Commie /Socialists who have principally hijacked the DNC to carry out front line action .

Do ordinary americans have any inkling of any of this ? Would they even believe part of what in total seems such an extreme narrative ?

I doubt it . And that is why the US needs an almighty kicking to fight back literally and stop posturing and being drawn into party political trivial matters .


P.S. Relatively incidental .
The US could not have finished WW2 with Japan without Germany supplying the literal material for the first bomb . But part of the price you paid from that, in terms of operation Paper Clip spin off , has been monumental and perhaps deadly .
There are strong arguments and evidence that the Deep State at rock bottom is a combination of Jewish blood families allied with the German Third Reich -- far too 'way out' for ordinary consumption but hugely supportable .
Would need years of study and scholarship to outline and explain and totally beyond the limits of this chat site . Starts from the premiss that from 1947 , say , and coincident with the creation of the CIA , all mainstream history has been manipulated and fabricated .
That's when Compliance Gullibles become brain paralysed or they simply metaphorically go deaf and blind . imho .