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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-21-2021, 06:24 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rand-paul-is-seeking-a-criminal-referral-of-dr-anthony-fauci/ar-AAMnPB5?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

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Rand Paul is seeking a criminal referral of Dr Anthony Fauci
Harriet Alexander For Dailymail.com - Tuesday


Senator Rand Paul has said he is writing to the Justice Department seeking 'a criminal referral' for Dr Anthony Fauci, accusing the nation's top public health official of having lied to Congress.

Paul, a libertarian Republican who has frequently sparred with Fauci, engaged in a blazing row with the health official on Tuesday.

Both men ended up calling the other a liar in a remarkable exchange during a Senate hearing.

On Tuesday night Paul told Fox News he wanted to take the matter further.

'I will be sending a letter to Department of Justice asking for a criminal referral because he has lied to congress,' Paul told Sean Hannity.

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Paul has insisted that Fauci funded 'gain of function' research in the Wuhan lab in China, whereby viruses are manipulated to make them more lethal and transmissible. The Wuhan lab is now seen as a possible source for the COVID-19 pandemic.

Fauci has confirmed that his organization, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, funded research at Wuhan, but is adamant that the money was not direct towards gain of function.

Paul did not believe him.

'We have scientists that will line up by the dozens saying the research he was funding was gain of function,' Paul told Hannity.

'He is doing this because he has a self interest to cover his tracks and to cover his connection to Wuhan lab.

'Now does he deserve all the blame? No, there's still some conjecture as to whether or not it came from the lab.

'But he is lying about whether or not he funded gain of function research, and yes, he should be punished.'


The Justice Department is highly unlikely to seek to prosecute Fauci, who works within the government as Joe Biden's chief medical advisor.

Paul has championed a Republican campaign to get Fauci, 80, removed as the head of the NIAID.

Paul accused Fauci of orchestrating a coverup of his role in funding the Wuhan lab.

'Once the public figures out that they were doing very, very dangerous research there, gain of function research, taking dangerous animal viruses and making them transmissible to humans, he realizes where the blame is going to attach,' Paul told Hannity.

'He has at least tangential responsibility.

'If this came from the lab that he was funding, my goodness, could you imagine the moral culpability that the man has?'

Paul, a medical doctor and an ophthalmologist, pointed out that gain of function research was currently being carried out in Galveston, Texas and in North Carolina.

'So this is a big debate, not just over blame, but over whether or not this could happen again in the United States,' he said.

Fauci earlier on Tuesday angrily denied Paul's accusation that he was lying.

'I have not lied before Congress,' said Fauci.

'I have never lied. Certainly not before Congress. Case closed.'

Fauci told Paul before the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, saying a study the senator mentioned referenced a different sort of virus entirely from the one responsible for the coronavirus outbreak.

'Senator Paul, you do not know what you're talking about, quite frankly,' Fauci said.

'And I want to say that officially. You do not know what you're talking about.'

He added: 'If anybody is lying here, senator, it is you.'

He defended allocating $600,000 to a group called EcoHealth Alliance, which then paid the Wuhan Institute of Virology to study the risk that bat coronaviruses could infect humans.

Paul grilled Fauci in May about the $600,000 in funding allocated for EcoHealth Alliance, which turned around and paid the Wuhan Institute of Virology to study how bat coronavirus could infect humans.

Fauci defended that allocation during a hearing before a congressional budget committee

The $600,000 in funding was reinstated in August after a different earlier grant was blocked in April 2020 amid concern over safety at the Wuhan lab.

Paul insisted during the terse exchange that the money was being used for gain of function research. Fauci, however, insisted the money was not used for this purpose.

'You are entirely and completely incorrect,' Fauci told Paul at the hearing. 'The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute.'

Gain of function research looks at both transmitting disease between animals and humans and is a way for scientists to alter organisms and diseases to study how they could become deadlier or more transmissible.

The NIH definition of gain of function includes 'scientific research that increases the transmissibility among animals is gain-of-function.'

The Kentucky senator repeatedly questioned Fauci on gain of function – and the U.S. indirectly funding that research in China – on a few occasions. The theory has emerged in conservative circles as a potential answer to the origins of COVID-19.

Last month, Paul also accused Fauci of lying and demanded he be fired after a slew of his emails were made public.

Paul claimed to Fox News early in June that thousands of emails revealed by Buzzfeed News and the Washington Post proved Fauci may have been in-part responsible for the development of COVID-19.

The emails reveal that Fauci was warned privately of the possibility that the origins of COVID were due to a lab leak in Wuhan – even though he publicly dismissed the ideas and allowed Democrats to call it a conspiracy.

Should he be prosecuted???
Hell yes,,,,,--Tyr

Gunny
07-21-2021, 01:35 PM
Should he be prosecuted???
Hell yes,,,,,--TyrIf he lied to Congress, then he should be prosecuted. So should about half the Dems in and out of office that did so. Definitely Hillary at the top of the list.

The Dems are pressuring social media to censure whoever the dems claim is passing misinformation, while letting this guy that changes his story one or more times a week represent their Administration.

jimnyc
07-21-2021, 08:37 PM
I think I'm leaning towards yes on this too. And I agree with others starting to ask for him to step down.

He's playing semantics with his own lies, and trying to claim the aid that China received wasn't for any of that. Others he claim back him up. But the fact is - they funded $$ to the Wuhan lab. They took a virus only infecting bats and other animals, and enhanced it to now able to be highly spreadable among humans. And Fauci and whomever he is speaking of, claim that is NOT gain of function. They can twist this all they like into a semantics pretzel - but that is exactly what gain of function is.

An honest man would have explained this gain of function being done over there, and if any differences, perhaps explain them. Instead they want it hidden away. Why? Instead, he claimed absolutely not in the past, and still claims absolutely not now. Perhaps not enhanced to this particular virus, no one knows for sure. But GOF did take place.

Zheng li Shi or however it's spelled, I spoke about her since day one when she thought herself this came from her lab. She is the one that released a ton of this info and the contract for the funding.

I don't believe him and I think so so many lies are littered into this entire damn thing. At minimum, the contracts and work should be investigated. But Fauci and team will mislead and China and this lab will never participate. :rolleyes:

jimnyc
07-21-2021, 08:56 PM
Fauci also stated as recently as yesterday, but far far from his first time doing so - that it was impossible for the virus to have been engineered in any way there.

But also stated in the past that there was no way of knowing for sure what they are doing there. And THIS is why many think he lied or mislead.

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Sen. Paul: Fauci emails prove he knew of Wuhan gain-of-function research

Newly released emails from White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci prove that he knew the Wuhan Institute of Virology (https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/fauci-emails-all-the-more-reason-for-us-to-get-to-bottom-of-covid-origins/) was carrying out dangerous gain-of-function research (https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/gop-lawmakers-blast-fauci-after-covid-origin-emails-released/), Sen. Rand Paul charged Wednesday night.

“The emails paint a disturbing picture, a disturbing picture of Dr. Fauci, from the very beginning, worrying that he had been funding gain-of-function research,” Paul (R-Ky.) told Fox News’ “The Ingraham Angle,” “and he knows it to this day, but hasn’t admitted it.”

Paul, who has repeatedly clashed with Fauci over various issues related to the pandemic, was referring to a Feb. 1, 2020, email Fauci sent to his top deputy at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Hugh Auchincloss. The email was among 3,200 pages of messages to and from Fauci obtained by BuzzFeed News (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nataliebettendorf/fauci-emails-covid-response) earlier this week in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

“Hugh: It is essential that we speak this AM,” Fauci wrote. “Keep your cell phone on … Read this paper as well as the e-mail that I will forward to you now. You will have tasks today that must be done.”

The NIAID director attached a PDF of a 2015 paper published in the journal Nature Medicine (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=3_nsn6445_deeplink_PID100093539&utm_content=deeplink) titled: “A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence.” One of the paper’s authors was Dr. Shi Zhengli, a Wuhan Institute of Virology researcher known as the “bat woman” for her work on bat coronaviruses. Fauci also sent the paper to National Institutes of Health (NIH) Deputy Director Dr. Lawrence Tabak.

“The paper you sent me says the experiments were performed before the gain of function pause [in October 2014] but have since been reviewed and approved by NIH,” Auchincloss emailed Fauci later in the day. “Not sure what that means since Emily is sure that no Coronavirus work has gone through the P3 framework. She will try to determine if we have any distant ties to this work abroad.”

Rest - https://nypost.com/2021/06/03/fauci-emails-prove-he-knew-of-wuhan-research-sen-paul/

Gunny
07-22-2021, 06:35 PM
Fauci also stated as recently as yesterday, but far far from his first time doing so - that it was impossible for the virus to have been engineered in any way there.

But also stated in the past that there was no way of knowing for sure what they are doing there. And THIS is why many think he lied or mislead.

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Sen. Paul: Fauci emails prove he knew of Wuhan gain-of-function research

Newly released emails from White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci prove that he knew the Wuhan Institute of Virology (https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/fauci-emails-all-the-more-reason-for-us-to-get-to-bottom-of-covid-origins/) was carrying out dangerous gain-of-function research (https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/gop-lawmakers-blast-fauci-after-covid-origin-emails-released/), Sen. Rand Paul charged Wednesday night.

“The emails paint a disturbing picture, a disturbing picture of Dr. Fauci, from the very beginning, worrying that he had been funding gain-of-function research,” Paul (R-Ky.) told Fox News’ “The Ingraham Angle,” “and he knows it to this day, but hasn’t admitted it.”

Paul, who has repeatedly clashed with Fauci over various issues related to the pandemic, was referring to a Feb. 1, 2020, email Fauci sent to his top deputy at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Hugh Auchincloss. The email was among 3,200 pages of messages to and from Fauci obtained by BuzzFeed News (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nataliebettendorf/fauci-emails-covid-response) earlier this week in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

“Hugh: It is essential that we speak this AM,” Fauci wrote. “Keep your cell phone on … Read this paper as well as the e-mail that I will forward to you now. You will have tasks today that must be done.”

The NIAID director attached a PDF of a 2015 paper published in the journal Nature Medicine (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=3_nsn6445_deeplink_PID100093539&utm_content=deeplink) titled: “A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence.” One of the paper’s authors was Dr. Shi Zhengli, a Wuhan Institute of Virology researcher known as the “bat woman” for her work on bat coronaviruses. Fauci also sent the paper to National Institutes of Health (NIH) Deputy Director Dr. Lawrence Tabak.

“The paper you sent me says the experiments were performed before the gain of function pause [in October 2014] but have since been reviewed and approved by NIH,” Auchincloss emailed Fauci later in the day. “Not sure what that means since Emily is sure that no Coronavirus work has gone through the P3 framework. She will try to determine if we have any distant ties to this work abroad.”

Rest - https://nypost.com/2021/06/03/fauci-emails-prove-he-knew-of-wuhan-research-sen-paul/If he is in any way connected he needs to be buried in an anthill from the neck down.

Gunny
07-25-2021, 11:25 AM
Sky News host James Morrow says Republican Rand Paul “wasn’t having any of Dr Fauci’s attempts to redefine gain-of-function research” as the senator proceeded to “demolish” his claims amid a “pretty testy” exchange this week in US Congress.
Mr Morrow said Senator Paul accused Dr Anthony Fauci, the “liberal left’s secular saint” of the pandemic, of “lying” to cover up his role as head of America’s National Institutes of Health in “funding” coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Dr Fauci rejected Senator Paul’s claims on the grounds what was conducted at the labs had been judged by “qualified staff up and down the chain” as not being “gain-of-function” research.
Mr Morrow said Senator Paul “demolished” these claims by saying viruses “in nature that only infect animals were manipulated in the Wuhan lab to ‘gain the function’ of infecting humans”.
“We know from Dr Fauci’s own emails that from the very start of the pandemic he was concerned that gain of function research his agency was associated with could have been responsible for the pandemic,” Mr Morrow said.
“After the exchange, Senator Paul said he was going to ask the Department of Justice for a criminal referral into Fauci, and whether he lied to Congress.
“It may not be possible to bring back those lives or livelihoods lost to the pandemic, but there may just be some justice for them after all.”
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/saint-fauci-demolished-by-senator-rand-paul-in-testy-us-congress-exchange/video/d73f6826ca9c9350cacac5606ae85b9d

This article is the best I have read on this topic. Cuts to the chase. I really dislike the way especially in the US you have to go through this long, drawn out bunch of hot air to get to the bottom line.