View Full Version : Vaccine deaths increase by 2,000 in a week
SassyLady
07-09-2021, 04:53 PM
More info being sent to VAERS
Data released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) included 9,049 reports of deaths, across all age groups, following COVID vaccines — an increase of more than 2,000 compared with the previous week. The data comes directly from reports submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (https://vaers.hhs.gov/) (VAERS).
VAERS (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-david-kessler-covid-vaccine-vaers/) is the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S. Reports submitted to VAERS require further investigation before a causal relationship can be confirmed.
Every Friday, VAERS (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-david-kessler-covid-vaccine-vaers/) makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date.
Data released today show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and July 2, 2021, a total of 438,441 total adverse events (https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19) were reported to VAERS, including 9,048 deaths (https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&DIED=Yes) — an increase of 2,063 over the previous week. There were 41,015 serious injury reported (https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&SERIOUS=ON)during the same time period — up 6,950 compared with last week.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-vaers-deaths-reported-covid-vaccines/
jimnyc
07-09-2021, 07:42 PM
Not a lot of us know what to believe when it comes to vaccinated folks dying & also the VAERS database. They came out about a month ago when it was like 4-5,000 deaths and claimed that the database was inaccurate for all kinds of reasons and they laid them out. I had posted a similar database article about Vaers back then.
They give good reasons as to why the database may not be accurate. And yet there it is and increasing. And while government folks deny it's accuracy, they also aren't telling us exactly what the numbers are then.
Do they know or don't they know? And if they don't know just how to fully verify just yet - then how can they fully say for certain that deaths listed in the database aren't valid?
I looked around for more from the past month. If I find more I will post it. Thus far either the same or denials of the same.
I don't know what the F to believe anymore - but what I do know for sure is that the "usual characters" we see and hear from - I DO NOT TRUST in the slightest bit. Doesn't mean this or that is wrong - just that I'm not getting my info from them anymore, that's for sure.
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What You Need to Know
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.
CDC recommends everyone ages 12 and older get vaccinated as soon as possible to help protect against COVID-19 and the related, potentially severe complications that can occur.
CDC, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and other federal agencies monitoring the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
Adverse events described on this page have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon.
VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event following vaccination.
Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.
Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination are rare but may occur.
For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:
Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 6, 2021, more than 12.6 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 38 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 318 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 6, 2021, VAERS has received 971 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 594 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 331 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,946 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Deaths occurring after Covid-19 vaccinations have become hot topic in the U.S.
Reports of deaths and serious injuries occurring after Covid-19 vaccination are increasing significantly. However, the numbers are disputed as incorrect by scientists, and ignored by most of the media.
RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL – Reports of deaths and serious illnesses occurring after Covid-19 shots have been mounting during the last few months. Those who look at the numbers and historical vaccine injury rates claim that the world has never seen anything like it.
As Fox News’ Tucker Carlson reports, through June 11, 2021, the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), a US Health and Human Services Department division, recorded 358,379 adverse events after vaccinations, including 5,993 deaths and 29,871 serious illnesses.
Anti-vaccine protesters are therefore recommending that before anyone decides to be vaccinated, it may be wise to assess personal insurance and financial ability to handle a serious illness, as pandemic vaccine manufacturers are indemnified against lawsuits.
If someone is harmed by a Covid-19 shot and lives in the U.S., the only recourse is to apply for compensation from the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Act (CICP). Payouts are rare; they cover only lost wages and unpaid medical bills and cannot be appealed.
Rest - https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/nosubscription/covid-vaccine-deaths-and-injuries-not-talked-about-enough/
In a June 11 page update, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said it had received 5,208 reports of people who had died after receiving a COVID vaccine between Dec. 14, 2020 and June 7, 2021 (here ). But that came with clear caveats. On the same page, it says: “FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.”
Anyone can report events to VAERS (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html) and a disclaimer on the CDC’s website says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here ). When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data do not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality”.
Rest - https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-rival/fact-check-no-evidence-the-number-of-vaccine-deaths-will-rival-the-number-of-covid-deaths-idUSL2N2O01XU
Fact Check: COVID vaccine deaths
ROCHESTER, N.Y. (WHEC)— Maybe you've seen this on social media. Posts claiming the COVID-19 vaccine has killed thousands of people. The data comes from a system co-managed by the CDC and the FDA. So is this true?
News10NBC's Nikki Rudd went straight to our local expert at the University of Rochester Medical Center to get an answer to this one. She asked Dr. Angela Branche directly: Can the COVID-19 vaccine kill you?
"Based on what we learned in the clinical trials our response to that would have been no," said Dr. Branche.
However, since those trials Dr. Branche says three deaths have been reported due to blood clots (Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome) from the vaccine.
"When someone reports something or you see a trend or pattern it really sets off this intense investigation," Dr. Branche said.
That's exactly why the Johnson and Johnson vaccine was put on hold back in April. Ten days later experts said the benefits outweigh any potential risks.
The CDC also continues to monitor heart issues (Myocarditis and pericarditis) in young people who have been vaccinated. There were increased reports of cases of heart inflammation in April and May.
"It's a self-reporting system so people can go on there or their doctor or hospital can report side effects to vaccines," explained Dr. Branche.
Reports of any issues come from a database News10NBC has told you about before in our fact check reports. It's called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System or VAERS. It's public and you can search it yourself.
"I would caution them not to assume that causality has been proven," warned Dr. Branche. "Certainly people who are vaccinated are dying, but as of now, we have not made an association between getting the vaccine and dying. if people are dying it's usually from natural causes."
According to the CDC website, more than 5,200 reports of death among people who received the COVID vaccine have been reviewed by CDC and FDA physicians. So far they have not been able to establish a link to the COVID shots.
Rest - https://www.whec.com/news/fact-check-covid-vaccine-deaths-/6141835/
Fact check: Vaccine Adverse Reporting System isn't proof of COVID-19 vaccine deaths
The claim: "Death toll” of COVID-19 vaccines is more than 20 times higher than that of past vaccines
A system that public health officials use to track vaccine side effects is once again being used to spread misinformation about the safety of the coronavirus vaccines.
The Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS) has been cited by some people as evidence that the three coronavirus vaccines approved for emergency use in the United States are potentially dangerous. Perhaps most notably, Fox News host Tucker Carlson featured the number of deaths reported to VAERS in a May 5 segment of "Tucker Carlson Tonight."
“Between late December of 2020, and (April), a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccines in the United States," Carlson said on the show.
More recently, the number of deaths associated with COVID-19 vaccines came up in an article published by conservative website enVolve. The May 14 story, which doesn't have a byline, cites Carlson’s figure and says in its headline that "The Death Toll From COVID Vaccines Is Greater Than Every Vaccine In The Last 20 Years COMBINED."
More than 1,600 Facebook users have shared the piece, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool.
But the article is based on a falsehood.
Deaths reported to VAERS are not a "death toll." The database includes all serious adverse events following vaccination against COVID-19 — regardless of whether the vaccines are to blame. There have been more deaths reported to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination than for other vaccines, but experts told USA TODAY that's not because the vaccines are deadly. Anti-vaccine advocates have erroneously cited the database for decades.
“Statements that imply that deaths following vaccination equate to deaths caused by vaccination are scientifically inaccurate, misleading, and irresponsible,” Dr. Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Immunization Safety Office, told USA TODAY in an email. “Vaccines are one of the tools that are going to help the U.S. get back to normal life. Vaccines save lives. CDC recommends that everyone who is eligible should get vaccinated.”
Rest - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/28/fact-check-covid-19-vaers-death-reports-not-verified/7587577002/
Mika-El
07-10-2021, 07:18 AM
Not a lot of us know what to believe when it comes to vaccinated folks dying & also the VAERS database. They came out about a month ago when it was like 4-5,000 deaths and claimed that the database was inaccurate for all kinds of reasons and they laid them out. I had posted a similar database article about Vaers back then.
They give good reasons as to why the database may not be accurate. And yet there it is and increasing. And while government folks deny it's accuracy, they also aren't telling us exactly what the numbers are then.
Do they know or don't they know? And if they don't know just how to fully verify just yet - then how can they fully say for certain that deaths listed in the database aren't valid?
I looked around for more from the past month. If I find more I will post it. Thus far either the same or denials of the same.
I don't know what the F to believe anymore - but what I do know for sure is that the "usual characters" we see and hear from - I DO NOT TRUST in the slightest bit. Doesn't mean this or that is wrong - just that I'm not getting my info from them anymore, that's for sure.
---
What You Need to Know
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.
CDC recommends everyone ages 12 and older get vaccinated as soon as possible to help protect against COVID-19 and the related, potentially severe complications that can occur.
CDC, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and other federal agencies monitoring the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
Adverse events described on this page have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon.
VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event following vaccination.
Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.
Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination are rare but may occur.
For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:
Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 6, 2021, more than 12.6 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 38 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 318 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 6, 2021, VAERS has received 971 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 594 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 331 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,946 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Deaths occurring after Covid-19 vaccinations have become hot topic in the U.S.
Reports of deaths and serious injuries occurring after Covid-19 vaccination are increasing significantly. However, the numbers are disputed as incorrect by scientists, and ignored by most of the media.
RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL – Reports of deaths and serious illnesses occurring after Covid-19 shots have been mounting during the last few months. Those who look at the numbers and historical vaccine injury rates claim that the world has never seen anything like it.
As Fox News’ Tucker Carlson reports, through June 11, 2021, the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), a US Health and Human Services Department division, recorded 358,379 adverse events after vaccinations, including 5,993 deaths and 29,871 serious illnesses.
Anti-vaccine protesters are therefore recommending that before anyone decides to be vaccinated, it may be wise to assess personal insurance and financial ability to handle a serious illness, as pandemic vaccine manufacturers are indemnified against lawsuits.
If someone is harmed by a Covid-19 shot and lives in the U.S., the only recourse is to apply for compensation from the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Act (CICP). Payouts are rare; they cover only lost wages and unpaid medical bills and cannot be appealed.
Rest - https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/nosubscription/covid-vaccine-deaths-and-injuries-not-talked-about-enough/
In a June 11 page update, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said it had received 5,208 reports of people who had died after receiving a COVID vaccine between Dec. 14, 2020 and June 7, 2021 (here ). But that came with clear caveats. On the same page, it says: “FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.”
Anyone can report events to VAERS (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html) and a disclaimer on the CDC’s website says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here ). When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data do not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality”.
Rest - https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-rival/fact-check-no-evidence-the-number-of-vaccine-deaths-will-rival-the-number-of-covid-deaths-idUSL2N2O01XU
Fact Check: COVID vaccine deaths
ROCHESTER, N.Y. (WHEC)— Maybe you've seen this on social media. Posts claiming the COVID-19 vaccine has killed thousands of people. The data comes from a system co-managed by the CDC and the FDA. So is this true?
News10NBC's Nikki Rudd went straight to our local expert at the University of Rochester Medical Center to get an answer to this one. She asked Dr. Angela Branche directly: Can the COVID-19 vaccine kill you?
"Based on what we learned in the clinical trials our response to that would have been no," said Dr. Branche.
However, since those trials Dr. Branche says three deaths have been reported due to blood clots (Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome) from the vaccine.
"When someone reports something or you see a trend or pattern it really sets off this intense investigation," Dr. Branche said.
That's exactly why the Johnson and Johnson vaccine was put on hold back in April. Ten days later experts said the benefits outweigh any potential risks.
The CDC also continues to monitor heart issues (Myocarditis and pericarditis) in young people who have been vaccinated. There were increased reports of cases of heart inflammation in April and May.
"It's a self-reporting system so people can go on there or their doctor or hospital can report side effects to vaccines," explained Dr. Branche.
Reports of any issues come from a database News10NBC has told you about before in our fact check reports. It's called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System or VAERS. It's public and you can search it yourself.
"I would caution them not to assume that causality has been proven," warned Dr. Branche. "Certainly people who are vaccinated are dying, but as of now, we have not made an association between getting the vaccine and dying. if people are dying it's usually from natural causes."
According to the CDC website, more than 5,200 reports of death among people who received the COVID vaccine have been reviewed by CDC and FDA physicians. So far they have not been able to establish a link to the COVID shots.
Rest - https://www.whec.com/news/fact-check-covid-vaccine-deaths-/6141835/
Fact check: Vaccine Adverse Reporting System isn't proof of COVID-19 vaccine deaths
The claim: "Death toll” of COVID-19 vaccines is more than 20 times higher than that of past vaccines
A system that public health officials use to track vaccine side effects is once again being used to spread misinformation about the safety of the coronavirus vaccines.
The Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS) has been cited by some people as evidence that the three coronavirus vaccines approved for emergency use in the United States are potentially dangerous. Perhaps most notably, Fox News host Tucker Carlson featured the number of deaths reported to VAERS in a May 5 segment of "Tucker Carlson Tonight."
“Between late December of 2020, and (April), a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccines in the United States," Carlson said on the show.
More recently, the number of deaths associated with COVID-19 vaccines came up in an article published by conservative website enVolve. The May 14 story, which doesn't have a byline, cites Carlson’s figure and says in its headline that "The Death Toll From COVID Vaccines Is Greater Than Every Vaccine In The Last 20 Years COMBINED."
More than 1,600 Facebook users have shared the piece, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool.
But the article is based on a falsehood.
Deaths reported to VAERS are not a "death toll." The database includes all serious adverse events following vaccination against COVID-19 — regardless of whether the vaccines are to blame. There have been more deaths reported to VAERS following COVID-19 vaccination than for other vaccines, but experts told USA TODAY that's not because the vaccines are deadly. Anti-vaccine advocates have erroneously cited the database for decades.
“Statements that imply that deaths following vaccination equate to deaths caused by vaccination are scientifically inaccurate, misleading, and irresponsible,” Dr. Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Immunization Safety Office, told USA TODAY in an email. “Vaccines are one of the tools that are going to help the U.S. get back to normal life. Vaccines save lives. CDC recommends that everyone who is eligible should get vaccinated.”
Rest - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/28/fact-check-covid-19-vaers-death-reports-not-verified/7587577002/
Yes all the data is not clear. Not to discount a thing you said (appreciated research) I do believe most of these deaths are atill from unvaccinated people. As well Covid 19 deaths are if anything under-reported but yes they are not necessarily accurate and yes its hard to know who to believe.
So far the actual cause of death as you know is complex in how its reported. Anyone who had covid 19 who dies is counted as a statistic but they may have died from other causes they would have died from whether they had Covid 19 or not. Its hard to diffferentiate the two and know whether Covid 19 stripped the body of immunities meaning a cause of death from an infection other than Covid 19 killed the person but they would not have necessarily got that infection if it were not because of Covid 19 first compromising the body. Then there are those pre-existing coniditions that on there one were not or not yet lethal but then when added to an immune compromised situation from Covid 19 tip over the edge and make them fatal. Then you have absolutely unrelated but coincidental deaths at the same time as covid 19 and then as you report, possible deaths as a result of direcly vaccine related deaths.
So the inherent nature of the deaths is very difficult to parse. It can have many elements and trying to figure out all their causes and effects when they can intersect and run parallel to one another is difficult to analyze. I am making no excuses just assuring people its not because of a conspiracy.
So far all directly related vaccine deaths are being documented. That much we know in the US and Canada and Western Europe and that will help in knowing. I believe right now .00018% of Covid 19 deaths according to the CDC are directly attributed to vaccine complications. Such data will continue to go up and down but its been pretty constant so far.
I do get why people are unnerved by all the conflicting data. That is one of the things about today's media. You can read anything about anything immediately and the sources may or may not be reliable.
I would say the kinds of complications from Covid 19 vaccines and there most certainly are, so far have not indicated the vaccines are as dangerous as exposure t Covid 19 or its variants. Yes any vaccine can cause issues and its why doctors screen out certain people from taking the vaccine and its those people with pre-existing issues who can not take the vaccine who remain most vulnerable to Covid 19 and could die from it so for their sake, me personally I don't want to pass it on to them not knowing I have Covid 19 and killing them. To me its just a matter of common courtesy, honestly it gets too complex to say it otherwise. The question iremains do those issues of complications outweigh their benefits of vaccines.
Some people believe if there is even a minor issue of concern, err on the side of caution. The problem is erring on the side of caution and not taking the vaccine may expose you to Covid 19 or one of its new variants and make you very ill or perhaps die let alone spread it as I said so either way there are pros and cons.
I think the key is making a decision NOT based on your fears but based on your best judgement after weighing all the pros and cons and speaking with your own doctor. Ultimately though it is an individual decision and all you and I and everyone else can do is try weigh all this incoming ever changing info and like we do discuss it because maybe it helps us sort though this gobblelty gook together and know we are not alone in trying to wade through all this muck.
We now have a new variant in Canada as well:https://globalnews.ca/news/8010175/lambda-covid-variant-canada/.
Looks like it comes from South America not that I am blaming anyone from there. Just saying it looks like it comes from Peru.
Abbey Marie
07-10-2021, 07:46 AM
I reported every week to VAERS after my first and second shot. After the first, I had a quarter-sized reddish swelling at the injection site, which lasted around 5 days. I reported it. Though very minor, I’ll bet I am included in the statistics for “adverse effects”.
My point is, as Jim said, numbers can be so misleading, and that’s if the people reporting/sources are even being honest. Worse than “accidentally misleading” is always possible.
What I find interesting is some of the same folks on social media and news programs who were very skeptical of the actual causes of all those COVID deaths, are now dead sure that the causes of reported vaccine deaths are 100% true.
A healthy, reasoned skepticism applied consistently works for me.
revelarts
07-10-2021, 01:00 PM
Vaccine side effects are not required to be reported by OSHA.
https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#vaccine "Are adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine recordable on the OSHA recordkeeping log? (https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs#collapse-vaccine)
DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward."
waving the current OSHA rules for such things until 2022 when it's reevaluated.
OK so If it's not reported then how can anyone know how many die or are injured?
But hey, we can't be discouraging employers vaccine efforts by telling people about adverse reactions ... like death and such.
that'd be bad.
:slap:
Look, at this point no one can honestly tell me that everything's been reported when the official position of the gov't and big pharma and the MSM is not "to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination."
not even the "APPEARANCE".
Will doctors be encourage to report problems if the gov't, big pharma and MSM don't like the appearance of discouraging people from vaccines.
Folks could assume whatever reasons (good, bad or otherwise) for the actions here they want to,
But whatever the case the OSHA POLICY is to NOT EVEN KNOW about adverse reactions to the vaccine.
Clip with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GheypEdhiP5y/
jimnyc
07-10-2021, 01:11 PM
^^^ That's what I've been saying & waiting for - direct answers and results from the government as to "real numbers". They deny left and right that stories and results are accurate - but then don't tell us what IS accurate then.
And until they come out with proven results and studies, peer reviewed - until then, I will tend to believe more so what reports come out more so than their denials.
revelarts
07-10-2021, 01:35 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/are-covid-vaccines-riskier-than-advertised-11624381749
Are Covid Vaccines Riskier Than Advertised?
There are concerning trends on blood clots and low platelets, not that the authorities will tell you.
One remarkable aspect of the Covid-19 pandemic has been how often unpopular scientific ideas, from the lab-leak theory to the efficacy of masks, were initially dismissed, even ridiculed, only to resurface later in mainstream thinking. Differences of opinion have sometimes been rooted in disagreement over the underlying science. But the more common motivation has been political.
Another reversal in thinking may be imminent. Some scientists (https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/06/08/why-we-petitioned-the-fda-to-refrain-from-fully-approving-any-covid-19-vaccine-this-year/) have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated. But the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking—for now.
Historically, the safety of medications—including vaccines—is often not fully understood until they are deployed in large populations. Examples include rofecoxib (Vioxx), a pain reliever that increased the risk of heart attack and stroke; antidepressants that appeared to increase suicide attempts among young adults; and an influenza vaccine used in the 2009-10 swine flu epidemic that was suspected (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html) of causing febrile convulsions and narcolepsy in children. Evidence from the real world is valuable, as clinical trials often enroll patients who aren’t representative of the general population. We learn more about drug safety from real-world evidence and can adjust clinical recommendations to balance risk and benefits.
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or Vaers, which is administered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, is a database that allows Americans to document adverse events that happen after receiving a vaccine. The FDA and CDC state that the database isn’t designed to determine whether the events were caused by a vaccine. This is true. But the data can nonetheless be evaluated, accounting for its strengths and weaknesses, and that is what the CDC and FDA say they do.
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Kudos to WSJ Editors for Publishing Op-Ed Saying ‘Politics’ Not Science Behind Failure to Acknowledge COVID Vaccine Risks
In an op-ed published June 22, two physicians said the “large clustering” of side effects following COVID vaccines is “concerning,” and the “silence around these potential signals of harm reflects the politics surrounding COVID-19 vaccines.”
In “Are Covid Vaccines Riskier Than Advertised?,” Joseph A. Ladapo, M.D., Ph.D., associate professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine, and Harvey A. Risch, M.D., Ph.D., professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health wrote while “some scientists have raised concerns that the safety risks of Covid-19 vaccines have been underestimated … the politics of vaccination has relegated their concerns to the outskirts of scientific thinking.”
Ladapo and Risch highlighted the fact that clinical studies don’t always tell the full story about the safety of medications, and that the health effects often remain unknown until the medicine is rolled out to the general public.
They wrote:
“Historically, the safety of medications — including vaccines — is often not fully understood until they are deployed in large populations. Examples include rofecoxib (Vioxx), a pain reliever that increased the risk of heart attack and stroke; antidepressants that appeared to increase suicide attempts among young adults; and an influenza vaccine used in the 2009-10 swine flu epidemic that was suspected (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html) of causing febrile convulsions and narcolepsy in children. Evidence from the real world is valuable, as clinical trials often enroll patients who aren’t representative of the general population. We learn more about drug safety from real-world evidence and can adjust clinical recommendations to balance risk and benefits.”
The authors said the “large clustering” of side effects following COVID vaccines is “concerning,” and the “silence around these potential signals of harm reflects the politics surrounding COVID-19 vaccines.”
They wrote: “Stigmatizing such concerns is bad for scientific integrity and could harm patients.”
The serious adverse events (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-vaers-data-deaths-adverse-events-covid-vaccines-including-children/) reported by the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (https://vaers.hhs.gov/), including low platelets, heart inflammation (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/david-mallozzi-myocarditis-pfizer-vaccine-hospital-not-reporting-vaers/), deep-vein thrombosis and death (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/19-year-old-dies-heart-problem-moderna-vaccine/), is likely “only a fraction” of the total number of adverse events, they said.
“The true number of cases is almost certainly higher,” said Ladapo and Risch. “This tendency of underreporting (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-david-kessler-covid-vaccine-vaers/) is consistent with our clinical experience.”
The authors slammed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for ignoring the reported serious COVID vaccine side effects, and said more research is needed to understand the risks.
They wrote:
“Analyses to confirm or dismiss these findings should be performed using large data sets of health-insurance companies and healthcare organizations.The CDC and FDA are surely aware of these data patterns, yet neither agency has acknowledged the trend.”
The authors acknowledged the risks of COVID vaccines in certain populations may outweigh the benefits. They also noted that no studies show people who have recovered from the virus benefit from getting vaccinated.
They wrote:
“The implication is that the risks of a COVID-19 vaccine may outweigh the benefits for certain low-risk populations, such as children, young adults and people who have recovered from COVID-19. This is especially true in regions with low levels of community spread, since the likelihood of illness depends on exposure risk.
“And while you would never know it from listening to public health officials, not a single published study has demonstrated that patients with a prior infection benefit from COVID-19 vaccination. That this isn’t readily acknowledged by the CDC or Anthony Fauci (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fauci-kristian-andersen-emails-manipulation-deception/) is an indication of how deeply entangled pandemic politics is in science.”
Ladapo and Risch warned that prioritizing politics over science in the wake of a pandemic could result in widespread distrust (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-president-biden-vaers/) in public health officials.
They said:
“Public health authorities are making a mistake and risking the public’s trust by not being forthcoming about the possibility of harm from certain vaccine side effects. There will be lasting consequences from mingling political partisanship and science during the management of a public-health crisis.”
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/wsj-op-ed-politics-behind-failure-covid-vaccine-risks/
revelarts
07-10-2021, 01:44 PM
Senator Ron Johnson Milwaukee News Conference
People Who Want to Be Seen, Heard and Believed by the Medical Community
http://rumble.com/vj5xbf-senator-ron-johnson-milwaukee-news-conference.html
starts at 9 minute mark
All had averse reactions and got together and contacted the local and national media, the CDC, the WhiteHouse, and big Pharma they never got a response.
the senator helped organize a press conference.
Many recorded impromptu wills after they started to deal with the issues.
At least one person said they got resistance from their health care providers to report their new disabilities to VAERS .
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
07-10-2021, 02:48 PM
Our government is pushing the vaccine- that in itself should send up red flags, imho.
As that same government, media, vested medical entities lied repeatedly about the true number of deaths were --caused-- by Covid.
And did so to --ADVANCE-- their political agenda. They hyped the fear any way that they could. A fact..
Now they lie about the true numbers of the death and harm the vaccine creates.
Who thinks the new alarm about the new Covid variant isnt suddenly a very convenient new lie to try to get more to take the shot..
GOVERNMEMTS LIE- THATS WHAT THEY DO BEST..
Especially ours when dems are in charge, as they especially have no scruples.
It is almost always a safe bet to think that the government is lying when they are desperately pushing something.
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https://news.yahoo.com/common-colds-rising-pandemic-restrictions-135732260.html
USA TODAY
Common colds rising as pandemic restrictions ease; door-to-door vaccine push becomes political battleground: Live COVID-19 updates
Edward Segarra, USA TODAY
Sat, July 10, 2021, 8:57 AM·5 min read
In this article:
Coronavirus
After a historically mild flu season, a resurgence of common colds and other viruses in New Jersey signals what might be in store for the rest of the country as pandemic restrictions continue to be eased.
While influenza and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) dipped to record lows during the pandemic, the state health department in New Jersey said the overall level of respiratory viruses has been "higher than would typically be expected for this time of year."
“We're in a different world now,” said Dr. Ashwin Jathavedam, an internist with Leonia Medical Associates and chief of infectious diseases at Englewood Health. “Most of these are mild infections, things that, pre-pandemic, you wouldn’t have thought twice about.”
Increased testing to rule out COVID-19 has detected viruses that previously might have been shrugged off. And the relaxation of social-distancing requirements and reduction of mask-wearing have brought back conditions that enable viruses to flourish.
New Jersey’s not alone: last month, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention alerted health officials in southern states about reports of increasing RSV infections outside the normal fall and winter season.
While influenza and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) dipped to record lows during the pandemic, the state health department in New Jersey said the overall level of respiratory viruses has been "higher than would typically be expected for this time of year."
Here you see, the truth about the previous lies about the higher covid death count..
And can see they were attributed to Covid the deaths that were due to these other diseases. Just as I was saying they were doing!
So are we to believe that Covid came along and the other diseases all said- hey lets take a vacation and come back later?
Or does common sense tells you they placed blame on Covid when tens of thousands deaths were due to these -other- chronic respiratory diseases?
And why would they do that ?
Government to instill far, far, far greater fear and for
medical hospitals to reap more wealth- remember the government money given for each patient listed as a Covid case?
And the extra 30, 000 dollars for each one treated ?
That was a government funded inducement to get false cases of treatment and death signed off on as being due to Covid.
Just like I said all along back then.-Tyr
SassyLady
07-11-2021, 12:42 AM
Yes all the data is not clear. Not to discount a thing you said (appreciated research) I do believe most of these deaths are atill from unvaccinated people. As well Covid 19 deaths are if anything under-reported but yes they are not necessarily accurate and yes its hard to know who to believe.
So far the actual cause of death as you know is complex in how its reported. Anyone who had covid 19 who dies is counted as a statistic but they may have died from other causes they would have died from whether they had Covid 19 or not. Its hard to diffferentiate the two and know whether Covid 19 stripped the body of immunities meaning a cause of death from an infection other than Covid 19 killed the person but they would not have necessarily got that infection if it were not because of Covid 19 first compromising the body. Then there are those pre-existing coniditions that on there one were not or not yet lethal but then when added to an immune compromised situation from Covid 19 tip over the edge and make them fatal. Then you have absolutely unrelated but coincidental deaths at the same time as covid 19 and then as you report, possible deaths as a result of direcly vaccine related deaths.
So the inherent nature of the deaths is very difficult to parse. It can have many elements and trying to figure out all their causes and effects when they can intersect and run parallel to one another is difficult to analyze. I am making no excuses just assuring people its not because of a conspiracy.
So far all directly related vaccine deaths are being documented. That much we know in the US and Canada and Western Europe and that will help in knowing. I believe right now .00018% of Covid 19 deaths according to the CDC are directly attributed to vaccine complications. Such data will continue to go up and down but its been pretty constant so far.
I do get why people are unnerved by all the conflicting data. That is one of the things about today's media. You can read anything about anything immediately and the sources may or may not be reliable.
I would say the kinds of complications from Covid 19 vaccines and there most certainly are, so far have not indicated the vaccines are as dangerous as exposure t Covid 19 or its variants. Yes any vaccine can cause issues and its why doctors screen out certain people from taking the vaccine and its those people with pre-existing issues who can not take the vaccine who remain most vulnerable to Covid 19 and could die from it so for their sake, me personally I don't want to pass it on to them not knowing I have Covid 19 and killing them. To me its just a matter of common courtesy, honestly it gets too complex to say it otherwise. The question iremains do those issues of complications outweigh their benefits of vaccines.
Some people believe if there is even a minor issue of concern, err on the side of caution. The problem is erring on the side of caution and not taking the vaccine may expose you to Covid 19 or one of its new variants and make you very ill or perhaps die let alone spread it as I said so either way there are pros and cons.
I think the key is making a decision NOT based on your fears but based on your best judgement after weighing all the pros and cons and speaking with your own doctor. Ultimately though it is an individual decision and all you and I and everyone else can do is try weigh all this incoming ever changing info and like we do discuss it because maybe it helps us sort though this gobblelty gook together and know we are not alone in trying to wade through all this muck.
We now have a new variant in Canada as well:https://globalnews.ca/news/8010175/lambda-covid-variant-canada/.
Looks like it comes from South America not that I am blaming anyone from there. Just saying it looks like it comes from Peru.
It has recently been revealed that the use of ivermectin and hydroxychlorocline are effective at treating covid and variants. So, even if you are exposed and get it the recovery rate has gone way up because of these meds. And, before that there was a better than 98% chance of recovery, before vaccines.
I appreciate your advice that it is an individual choice .. but talk it over with your doctor. Even then, one needs to do some additional research because a lot of doctors are on the vaccine bandwagon.
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