I Feel Good Tonight - moved [Archive] - Debate Policy

Joe Steel

09-20-2007, 08:20 PM

darin

09-20-2007, 08:23 PM

I WISH we had a 'who gives a shit?' forum...we don't, so the lounge will have to suffice. :)

5stringJeff

09-20-2007, 08:40 PM

I feel good tonight.

A volunteer from Working America called and asked for a contribution to fight for national healthcare. Of course, I said yes.

That reminded me that I had to make a contribution to MoveOn.org to fund more ads. So I did.

I'll sleep well tonight.

Money well wasted.

Gaffer

09-20-2007, 08:45 PM

A commie supporting a commie organization. Imagine that.

chesswarsnow

09-20-2007, 08:49 PM

Sorry bout that,

1. Double the check.
2. I love it when Neoliberals throw away their money.
3. You know what they say about some people and their money right?
4. Hehehehehe,........:laugh2:

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

truthmatters

09-20-2007, 08:53 PM

A commie supporting a commie organization. Imagine that.

What a loving sentiment

diuretic

09-20-2007, 10:05 PM

What's "Working America"?

Kathianne

09-20-2007, 10:12 PM

I just got ready 19 bags of stuff for the Purple Heart Vets. No regrets. Included are clothes; electronics including my dad's electric shaver ($200+ Braun), multiple computers/monitors and printers). Funny, not one regret.

MtnBiker

09-20-2007, 10:19 PM

Kathianne

09-20-2007, 10:38 PM

Well done!!:salute:

Thanks. It wasn't easy going through the 'things'. He did a good job of vetting in the last few months. It's weird, realizing he cleaned so many things out since the cancer diagnosis. I keep thinking of him climbing the stairs, to make things easier on my brother and I, he did. We remember.

avatar4321

09-20-2007, 10:56 PM

What a loving sentiment

whats wrong with the truth?

Abbey Marie

09-20-2007, 11:00 PM

diuretic

09-20-2007, 11:14 PM

If national health care ever happens, you will be sure to have many more happy nights of *forced* contributions. :coffee:

Wouldn't it be paid from your taxes?

Dilloduck

09-20-2007, 11:17 PM

Wouldn't it be paid from your taxes?

HUH ?

manu1959

09-20-2007, 11:18 PM

Wouldn't it be paid from your taxes?

yes i will get to pay for the healthcare of those that do not pay taxes....i also get to buy them food.....and house them and pay for their education.....

diuretic

09-21-2007, 12:26 AM

HUH ?

I was asking if the funding for a universal health care system, if one were to be instituted in the US, would be funded from general revenue, that is, from taxes.

diuretic

09-21-2007, 12:26 AM

yes i will get to pay for the healthcare of those that do not pay taxes....i also get to buy them food.....and house them and pay for their education.....

Cheer up, you're paying for a war for oil now! :laugh2:

actsnoblemartin

09-21-2007, 05:21 AM

reminds me of all the so called anti war rallies, that are really, the kill jews, communist, secularist, socialist, left wingers, and democratic sheep, that say slogans a 5 year old could come up with.

I have no problem with them protesting, but atleast be honest about who you are, and what your true intentions are.

A commie supporting a commie organization. Imagine that.

jimnyc

09-21-2007, 05:50 AM

That reminded me that I had to make a contribution to MoveOn.org to fund more ads. So I did.

"My name's Forrest Gump. People call me Forrest Gump."

Your contribution to those losers is about the same as your contributions here - worthless.

PostmodernProphet

09-21-2007, 06:04 AM

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Joe Steel

09-21-2007, 07:21 AM

I was asking if the funding for a universal health care system, if one were to be instituted in the US, would be funded from general revenue, that is, from taxes.

Taxes are not necessarily general revenue. Under Fund Accounting rules, revenue is segregated by purpose, i.e. it is put into funds. A tax to fund health care would would be put into a health care fund (or collected by a specialized agency much the same as FICA revenue goes to the Social Security Administration.)

This facilitates accurate accounting and budgeting.

Joe Steel

09-21-2007, 07:23 AM

What's "Working America"?

"Working America is the nation’s fastest growing organization for working families. Over 1.6 million members fight for good jobs and a just economy. Join the movement now:

Working America (http://www.workingamerica.org/)

Joe Steel

09-21-2007, 07:25 AM

"My name's Forrest Gump. People call me Forrest Gump."

Your contribution to those losers is about the same as your contributions here - worthless.

Really?

Should I just spin talking points like you, Dizzy.

jimnyc

09-21-2007, 07:28 AM

Really?

Should I just spin talking points like you, Dizzy.

For starters, I'm calling you out, I don't think you donated a dime. Care to prove to us your donation to MoveOn? I think you make such statements simply for effect.

And you say that I spin? LOL This coming from the dolt who claims MM makes claims based on "rhetorical convenience"! :laugh2:

dan

09-21-2007, 07:35 AM

No offense, but your contributions would be looked at with more dignity if you weren't bragging about them on a message board.

AFbombloader

09-21-2007, 08:10 AM

"Working America is the nation’s fastest growing organization for working families. Over 1.6 million members fight for good jobs and a just economy. Join the movement now:

Working America (http://www.workingamerica.org/)

I looked at their website. They are backed by unions and the AFL-CIO. They are "pro" working families, and "anti" rich. Good idea if you don't align yourself with such a polarizing entity as the AFL-CIO. If they would cross the lines between parties they may be more successful.

AF:salute:

diuretic

09-21-2007, 08:28 AM

Taxes are not necessarily general revenue. Under Fund Accounting rules, revenue is segregated by purpose, i.e. it is put into funds. A tax to fund health care would would be put into a health care fund (or collected by a specialized agency much the same as FICA revenue goes to the Social Security Administration.)

This facilitates accurate accounting and budgeting.

Ah, I see, thank you for the information, I really wasn't aware of that.

diuretic

09-21-2007, 08:29 AM

diuretic

09-21-2007, 08:31 AM

I looked at their website. They are backed by unions and the AFL-CIO. They are "pro" working families, and "anti" rich. Good idea if you don't align yourself with such a polarizing entity as the AFL-CIO. If they would cross the lines between parties they may be more successful.

AF:salute:

Why is the AFL-CIO a polarising entity?

Monkeybone

09-21-2007, 08:34 AM

Taxes are not necessarily general revenue. Under Fund Accounting rules, revenue is segregated by purpose, i.e. it is put into funds. A tax to fund health care would would be put into a health care fund (or collected by a specialized agency much the same as FICA revenue goes to the Social Security Administration.)

This facilitates accurate accounting and budgeting.

but the free helath care is still being taxed from us...and like it was said, why should we pay for ppl that don't pay taxes? or do you get a special card and only those with it get healthcare?

chesswarsnow

09-21-2007, 08:36 AM

Sorry bout that,

1. But if Hillary gets into power, watch out!
2. I think what she is proposing is more of the same, but extra.
3. All tax payers who get a check will be required to pay another tax.
4. You know where it says what taxes were withheld on your the pay stub?
5. Expect to see another pay area, called the, *HHCF*, short for *Hillary Health Care Fund*
6. Yeah you suckers better wake up!:laugh2:
7. And get on the phone and start ranking on Hillary's plans again.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

5stringJeff

09-21-2007, 08:43 AM

I was asking if the funding for a universal health care system, if one were to be instituted in the US, would be funded from general revenue, that is, from taxes.

Yes, they would be paid for by taxes, levied on everyone but disproportionately on the successful members of society.

diuretic

09-21-2007, 08:53 AM

Yes, they would be paid for by taxes, levied on everyone but disproportionately on the successful members of society.

That's interesting. I'm not baiting you because that's an honest answer and I appreciate it but I'm going to ask a bit more. My asking might seem like baiting but it's not. This isn't about "right" or "wrong", it's about values and they are always relative.

When it comes to taxation my personal view is that taxation rates must be calculated carefully. But my base position is that the more you earn the more you should pay in taxes. And that's not out of envy but the simple idea that everyone who is gaining an income from society should pay to sustain that society. I'm not in favour of a flat tax so I have to favour a graduated tax regime. I think we should take less tax from the poor and more from the wealthy in a graduated fashion. Tax rates shouldn't be punitive of course, that would destroy an economy, but the tax burden shouldn't lay with the poorest, that would be simply unfair.

5stringJeff

09-21-2007, 09:00 AM

That's interesting. I'm not baiting you because that's an honest answer and I appreciate it but I'm going to ask a bit more. My asking might seem like baiting but it's not. This isn't about "right" or "wrong", it's about values and they are always relative.

When it comes to taxation my personal view is that taxation rates must be calculated carefully. But my base position is that the more you earn the more you should pay in taxes. And that's not out of envy but the simple idea that everyone who is gaining an income from society should pay to sustain that society. I'm not in favour of a flat tax so I have to favour a graduated tax regime. I think we should take less tax from the poor and more from the wealthy in a graduated fashion. Tax rates shouldn't be punitive of course, that would destroy an economy, but the tax burden shouldn't lay with the poorest, that would be simply unfair.

I am actually in favor of eliminating all income taxes and establishing a national ad valorem (value-added, or sales) tax, at around 20%-25%. That would be the most fair in my eyes, because all citizens, regardless of income, would pay the same tax rates. I'd even exempt expenses for food and housing from the sales tax, so that people aren't being taxed for the essentials of life. But I believe that all people should be treated equally by the government, and that should extend to taxation methods.

Abbey Marie

09-21-2007, 09:50 AM

Wouldn't it be paid from your taxes?

Yes, that was the point. Taxes = forced contributions.

Joe Steel

09-21-2007, 11:41 AM

For starters, I'm calling you out, I don't think you donated a dime. Care to prove to us your donation to MoveOn? I think you make such statements simply for effect.

I'll post my credit card statement. Or, I'll just give you my userid and password and you can check my account.

Would that be OK, Dizzy?

Joe Steel

09-21-2007, 11:43 AM

No offense, but your contributions would be looked at with more dignity if you weren't bragging about them on a message board.

Personal endorsements are a legitimate promotional tactic. It's only poor taste if I say how much I gave and it's a large amount.

Joe Steel

09-21-2007, 11:46 AM

but the free helath care is still being taxed from us...and like it was said, why should we pay for ppl that don't pay taxes? or do you get a special card and only those with it get healthcare?

That's the way insurance works. Beneficiaries pay a premium and receive benefits if they need them. Most national health care plans are really national health insurance plans. They're just like private insurance except everyone is required to participate.

5stringJeff

09-21-2007, 01:35 PM

They're just like private insurance except everyone is required to participate.

Which is a huge blow to liberty and freedom, especially for those who don't want the government's inferior, overpriced product.

darin

09-21-2007, 01:49 PM

Which is a huge blow to liberty and freedom, especially for those who don't want the government's inferior, overpriced product.

As far as Insurance goes - I know of plenty of horror stories from the Gov't Automotive insurance company from BC, Canada. :(

Yurt

09-21-2007, 02:28 PM

As far as Insurance goes - I know of plenty of horror stories from the Gov't Automotive insurance company from BC, Canada. :(

NOT to mention, their "universal" health "care."

My bus prof in undergrad was as canadian as you could get. This one day we get on health care/economies. Even he admitted that Canada's system is not perfect and that America's health care does provide some of the best services in the world.

I know people don't like to hear it, but, socialism breeds ineptness. You are paid no matter what you do. No incentive. Capitalism is not perfect, but it tends to bring out the best of the market and in terms of health, I'll take it. If I can't afford it, guess what, some quack down the street will at least have an idea of the best vs. some socialist quack who has no freakin idea because it doesn't matter the result, he/she WILL get paid.

Now that is scary.

jimnyc

09-21-2007, 02:30 PM

I'll post my credit card statement. Or, I'll just give you my userid and password and you can check my account.

Would that be OK, Dizzy?

What, they didn't send you a thank you note after you submitted your payment? How terribly rude of those ungrateful bastards!

Thank you for reminding me how I feel whenever I read your uneducated posts. :)

Gunny

09-21-2007, 03:56 PM

Wouldn't it be paid from your taxes?

That's what she said.;)

Gunny

09-21-2007, 04:03 PM

That's interesting. I'm not baiting you because that's an honest answer and I appreciate it but I'm going to ask a bit more. My asking might seem like baiting but it's not. This isn't about "right" or "wrong", it's about values and they are always relative.

When it comes to taxation my personal view is that taxation rates must be calculated carefully. But my base position is that the more you earn the more you should pay in taxes. And that's not out of envy but the simple idea that everyone who is gaining an income from society should pay to sustain that society. I'm not in favour of a flat tax so I have to favour a graduated tax regime. I think we should take less tax from the poor and more from the wealthy in a graduated fashion. Tax rates shouldn't be punitive of course, that would destroy an economy, but the tax burden shouldn't lay with the poorest, that would be simply unfair.

No you just didn't ....

If I go out and bust my ass to make more, why should I have more of MY "more" confiscated by the government because Joe Blow the underachiever plans a career at McDonald's? It damned-sure isn't MY fault he's a dolt and wants to schlep off society.

But I'm damned-sure paying for his lack of motivation.

Tax should be flat-rate. If you make more, you STILL pay more, but you don't pay at a higher, unfair percentage to sustain the bottom-feeders.

Joe Steel

09-25-2007, 01:10 PM

What, they didn't send you a thank you note after you submitted your payment? How terribly rude of those ungrateful bastards!

Thank you for reminding me how I feel whenever I read your uneducated posts. :)

You?

You've displayed so little understanding I didn't think you could read.

I finally got my thank you from MoveOn. As I suspected, it was delayed because they were overwhelmed with the response and had to process an avalanche of donations.

remie

09-25-2007, 02:42 PM

You?

You've displayed so little understanding I didn't think you could read.

I finally got my thank you from MoveOn. As I suspected, it was delayed because they were overwhelmed with the response and had to process an avalanche of donations.

More likely because the Post Office, another wonderfully run government agency,fu*&*ed up.